#instantbird log on 08 28 2017

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09:35:53 <FilipMosner> hello all
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09:38:40 <mosner> some news about new version, concretely for windows ?
09:39:00 <mosner> latest build still 2016/1/1 :(
09:41:15 <mosner> and latest stable builds is from 2013 :-/
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11:06:18 <matrixisreal[M]> clokep_work: Hi, I divided my work into three different files and tried to document as good as I can. But inspite of the that there are things that need further review and discussion, hope that's okay...
11:07:59 <matrixisreal[M]> So... I need to submit a link to Google by tomorrow, right? So is a complete review mandatory for that?
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13:12:31 <instantbot> New Chat Core - Matrix bug 1394397 filed by pavankarthikboddeda@gmail.com.
13:12:33 <instantbot> Bug https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=1394397 nor, --, ---, nobody, NEW, Matrix Protocol :: Improve Support For Matrix
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16:03:32 <instantbot> New Chat Core - General bug 1394468 filed by fbertsch@mozilla.com.
16:03:34 <instantbot> Bug https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=1394468 nor, --, ---, nobody, NEW, re:dash (sql.telemetry.mozilla.org) *very* slow on nightly
16:14:26 <Tonnes> cert for bugzilla.instantbird.org expired
16:15:22 <Tonnes> is the project dead?
16:15:42 <not-freaktechnik> No, mozilla's bugzilla is now used?
16:16:01 <not-freaktechnik> (as for addons and wiki, though afdons is a bit complicated)
16:16:48 <Tonnes> ?
16:17:24 <not-freaktechnik> I do not understand what you are reqiesting clarification on woth "?"
16:17:28 <not-freaktechnik> *with
16:17:40 <not-freaktechnik> *requesting
16:18:03 <not-freaktechnik> (also, I'd say it's a bit less alive than thubderbird, but things are happening now and thenl
16:22:07 <Tonnes> https://bugzilla.instantbird.org/show_bug.cgi?id=1511 is unaccessible due toa an expired cert as of April (probably unless adding an exception). Latest dev release I have is dated 20160101 ane when checkg for updates, cert error is displayed. I have filed 2 bugs that no-one is even thinking of fixing 9 I was asked to do so myself) while it wouold take 3 mins to fix them each. needless to...
16:22:09 <Tonnes> ...say, my gues sis that the project is dead and that I'm more than just a bit disappointed in the latter
16:22:37 <not-freaktechnik> All bugs were migrated to bugzilla.mozilla.org afaik
16:23:26 <not-freaktechnik> (as the whole chat core is shared with thunderbird)
16:23:40 <Tonnes> why not upen it up for http then?
16:24:13 <Tonnes> homepage is probably outdated - didn't check
16:24:31 <Tonnes> beacuse the fonts are still jumping and no-one wants to fix the font type
16:24:42 <Tonnes> nor our localized homepage
16:25:04 <Tonnes> help - check for updates should work
16:25:16 <Tonnes> and maybe some newer dev release should appear
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16:25:50 <not-freaktechnik> The font is a firefox rendering issue
16:28:56 <Tonnes> no, it's a stupid font choice issue imo, as the ff issue is known so it whould be worked around and not be ignored by people who use macs and don't suffer it
16:29:41 <Tonnes> even mozorg people refuse to fix such things now while knowing 60+ % uses windows and suffer it even in win 10, though for another font
16:29:52 <Tonnes> just use fonts that work, it's that simple
16:30:12 <Tonnes> I'm thinking of closing the bug due to lack of developer interest
16:30:44 <Tonnes> sorry for sounding so.. you know.. but things just take too long
16:30:59 <Tonnes> again coudl be fixed in 3 minutes each
16:31:46 <Tonnes> "computers, bits and the ability to change them are pretty fast nowadays. It's usually people or processes slowing them down."
16:31:54 <Tonnes> my personal credo ^
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17:12:07 <florian> Tonnes: I'm sorry. (fwiw, estimating the amount of work it takes for someone else to do something usually leads to frustration). There are lots of things that need to be done, and the highest priority ones would take several hours (probably a whole evening, or a whole week-end).
17:12:07 <florian> We currently have very little time to work on Instantbird. aleth hasn't been seen in month. Both clokep and I are very busy with work and spending enough hours per days on computers that having an offline break is very desirable in the evenings and week-ends.
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18:10:38 <Tonnes> florian: I understand.. (fwiw, I can understand that estimates for the amount of work lead to frustration at devs - heard that once before, but am pretty sure this is about something small). I understand about time and priority bugs, but not that they may lead to simple ones being postponed for years. My thoughts: the web page's font issue scares users away so I consider that as small but...
18:10:40 <Tonnes> ...important. And the webpage not displaying localized is small too, as the page for the previous version just worked, and so does the one for cz. I'm just sure it's small, so there is also some frustration at localizers involved.
18:10:42 <Tonnes> The bad thing is that i was asked to set up a whole environment here and test for the font issue myself instead of someone at IB dev team just replacing the font. I would just like to continue with the thing I can do better, so l10n in this case, and like to see the work well, not even appreciated but included. Seen enough projects and apps that forgot to include their l10ns in the end. Hope...
18:10:44 <Tonnes> ...you understand that too..
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19:00:13 <Tonnes> for reference, was talking about bug 953883 and bug 1294462
19:00:17 <instantbot> Bug https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=953883 nor, --, ---, nobody, NEW, Problems with "Sacco-Vanzetti Instantbird" font
19:00:18 <instantbot> Bug https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=1294462 nor, --, ---, nobody, NEW, Make Instantbird 1.5 release notes for Dutch visible
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