#instantbird log on 04 14 2016

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09:55:58 <flo-retina> the current bustage seems to be because we are missing this rule: http://mxr.mozilla.org/comm-central/source/mail/app/Makefile.in#118
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10:36:15 <aleth> what does the blocklist actually block? certain addons?
10:40:32 * aleth is wondering if IB actually needs it
10:40:45 <flo-retina> flawed plugins, and broken graphics drivers I think
10:46:50 <aleth> mail/ has an explicit mail/app/blocklist.xml. It doesn't get built as I had assumed.
10:48:49 <flo-retina> suite/ too
10:48:50 <aleth> So if IB ships it it would have to be added and manually updated...
10:49:01 <aleth> Not sure what the right thing to do is
10:49:13 <flo-retina> isn't the mail/ one copied from the browser/ one using a bot?
10:49:24 <flo-retina> can we ship ../../mail/app/blocklist.xml ? ;)
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10:53:02 <aleth> IB already ships nsBlocklistService.js, but it seems to be lacking the prefs that enable it :P
10:54:29 <flo-retina> are you saying we could just remove the line from package-manifest?
10:55:43 <aleth> that would probably break something. I am wondering if including blocklist.xml actually does anything without adding the prefs
10:56:32 <aleth> I guess what I am asking is whether at some point you decided it wasn't worth including
10:56:56 <flo-retina> http://mxr.mozilla.org/mozilla-central/source/toolkit/mozapps/extensions/AddonManager.jsm seems to use it too
10:57:06 <flo-retina> I didn't make any such decision, non
10:57:07 <flo-retina> *no
10:58:43 <aleth> obviously it's not as crucial for IB to disable old java versions etc
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11:09:24 <flo-retina> aleth: well, if they are installed system-wide, we may end up having trouble with plugins too
11:09:37 <flo-retina> I'm not sure if a webpage has to attempt to use them for them to start having effect
11:09:58 <aleth> I recently landed a patch disabling them by default, but yeah, if a user overrides that...
11:11:16 <aleth> Seems better to ship it properly.
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16:33:25 <flo-retina> aleth: hmm... is it OK for us to ping the Mozilla servers for block list updates? :-S
16:33:46 <aleth> I don't know.
16:35:08 <aleth> Not setting the url pref would avoid that.
16:35:22 <aleth> (There's a try/catch)
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16:36:28 <flo-retina> do we know what the "Kinto blocklist preferences" preferences are for?
16:36:43 <aleth> Cert revocation, afaik
16:38:08 <flo-retina> I don't know how I feel about that patch
16:38:21 <flo-retina> sending requests to AMO with Instantbird as the app id seems wrong
16:38:47 <aleth> Me neither. I thought you'd know better than me ;)
16:40:20 <aleth> Might be better to just comment out the url prefs.
16:41:47 <flo-retina> I'm not a great fan of commented out stuff
16:45:25 <aleth> well, or something like https://pastebin.mozilla.org/8867729
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16:49:39 <flo-retina> aleth: looks OK to me.
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17:07:45 <clokep_work> aleth: Are there docs on cert pinning badness/goodness/?
17:08:07 <clokep_work> Als....what will all that do for us?
17:08:27 <aleth> clokep_work: idk, I just saw comments in the tree.
17:08:34 <clokep_work> :P
17:08:43 <clokep_work> Can I be lazy and ask for a source or something?
17:08:46 <clokep_work> I can probably grep that pref.
17:10:33 <aleth> All I did is take the value from browser/. Then I thought I'd hand it on to you because you did the cert stuff ;)
17:12:10 <aleth> There's https://dxr.mozilla.org/comm-central/source/mozilla/b2g/app/b2g.js#250 and the comments in https://dxr.mozilla.org/comm-central/source/mozilla/security/manager/ssl/tests/unit/test_pinning.js#6
17:13:39 <clokep_work> WTF is libpref: https://dxr.mozilla.org/comm-central/source/mozilla/modules/libpref
17:14:38 <clokep_work> aleth: https://dxr.mozilla.org/comm-central/source/mozilla/security/certverifier/CertVerifier.h#101
17:14:51 <clokep_work> Looks like 1 or 0 is what we want, yes.
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23:28:29 <clokep_work> 7:25:43 PM - aleth: is that messenger api good for actual messages, or just for wechat type stuff?
23:28:29 <clokep_work> 7:26:08 PM - clokep_work: Huh?
23:28:29 <clokep_work> 7:26:12 PM - clokep_work: Messenger API for what?
23:28:29 <clokep_work> 7:26:16 PM - aleth: fb
23:28:29 <clokep_work> 7:26:30 PM - clokep_work: Sorry, I don't have context into what we're discussing.
23:28:29 <clokep_work> 7:26:32 PM - aleth: https://messengerplatform.fb.com/
23:28:29 <clokep_work> 7:26:38 PM - clokep_work: Last I checked the messenger API doesn't let you send message.s
23:28:29 <clokep_work> 7:27:04 PM - aleth: that's why I'm asking, because https://developers.facebook.com/docs/messenger-platform/send-api-reference
23:28:29 <clokep_work> 7:27:12 PM - clokep_work: Oh interesting.
23:28:29 <clokep_work> 7:28:01 PM - aleth: But maybe the only allowed "from" is the app itself
23:28:35 * clokep_work wonders if EionRobb has looked at this at all.
23:28:58 <clokep_work> aleth: The intro to that section says "We've added new tools for you to build and promote your bot so you can create a custom experience for your unique audience."
23:29:03 <clokep_work> So I suspect it's only about Bots.
23:29:10 <EionRobb> yeah, bots
23:29:25 <EionRobb> similar to the skype sdks that got published recently
23:29:34 <EionRobb> all about the bots, bout the bots, bout the bots
23:30:07 <clokep_work> I don't give a shit about bots.
23:30:10 <clokep_work> Personally. :)
23:30:21 <clokep_work> I was never a big fan of Blade Runner.
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