#instantbird log on 02 17 2016

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00:17:54 <aleth> abdelrhman: put it in a bug please?
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01:03:41 topic changed by fripp.mozilla.org to "Ask about Instantbird (http://instantbird.com) here! :-) | Current version is Instantbird 1.5 | News: http://blog.instantbird.org | Nightlies: http://nightly.instantbird.im (for testing only) | IRC logs: http://log.bezut.info | Pastebin: http://pastebin.instantbird.org | Bugs: https://bugzilla.mozilla.org"
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01:12:48 topic changed by fripp.mozilla.org to "Ask about Instantbird (http://instantbird.com) here! :-) | Current version is Instantbird 1.5 | News: http://blog.instantbird.org | Nightlies: http://nightly.instantbird.im (for testing only) | IRC logs: http://log.bezut.info | Pastebin: http://pastebin.instantbird.org | Bugs: https://bugzilla.mozilla.org"
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01:31:53 topic changed by fripp.mozilla.org to "Ask about Instantbird (http://instantbird.com) here! :-) | Current version is Instantbird 1.5 | News: http://blog.instantbird.org | Nightlies: http://nightly.instantbird.im (for testing only) | IRC logs: http://log.bezut.info | Pastebin: http://pastebin.instantbird.org | Bugs: https://bugzilla.mozilla.org"
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04:53:50 <instant-buildbot> build #606 of linux64-nightly-default is complete: Failure [4failed compile]  Build details are at http://buildbot.instantbird.org/builders/linux64-nightly-default/builds/606
04:53:54 <instant-buildbot> build #3075 of macosx-nightly-default is complete: Success [3build successful]  Build details are at http://buildbot.instantbird.org/builders/macosx-nightly-default/builds/3075
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15:33:33 <clokep_work> Hopefully my new test files will be there after.
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19:49:16 <freaktechnik> installing a prpl that works in ib in tb works pretty smooth if done properly :D
19:51:24 <freaktechnik> uhm, does tb repopulate the participants list whenever displaying a chatroom?
19:51:41 <clokep_work> It tears down and completely rebuilds the UI, yes.
19:52:32 <freaktechnik> so having 10000 participants is way more of a problem <_<
19:52:45 <clokep_work> Maybe. ;)
19:53:17 <EionRobb> ouch :)
19:54:36 <freaktechnik> welp, that's not trivial to fix, other than to suggest using instantbird if one wants to join such massive channels...
19:55:07 <EionRobb> can I cheekily jump in and ask how well other clients support super-massive channels?
19:55:23 <freaktechnik> no idea.
19:55:42 <freaktechnik> because twitch doesn't send the buddy list. I fetch it via REST API
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20:48:24 <freaktechnik> okay, one thing's better in thunderbird: image loading doesn't screw up the scrolling thing way less.
20:49:15 <aleth> why is that?
20:50:10 <aleth> generally the tb code lags behind ib, as not all frontend bugfixes got ported
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20:51:33 <freaktechnik> I think the amount one message gets bigger by an image is bigger in instantbird than tb
20:51:58 <freaktechnik> so it's more likely to push down enough for the conv not to be scrolled far enough when the "are we at the bottom" check is run.
20:52:02 <aleth> you mean it depends on the message style
20:52:20 <freaktechnik> yes, at least that's my assumption
20:52:22 <aleth> pick "simple" in IB and see if it still happens
20:52:33 <freaktechnik> I haven't looked into it more than "it happens"
20:52:36 <freaktechnik> (yet)
20:52:55 <freaktechnik> hmm, I should set simple as my default on IB
21:02:50 <freaktechnik> okay, it also happens on simple
21:03:13 <freaktechnik> but it feels like it needs a lot more images that add height (almost on every line, while with bubbles it's like three lines)
21:03:37 <aleth> still, sounds like a bug you could fix ;)
21:03:47 <freaktechnik> the problem is, that messages aren't designed to contain remote images...
21:04:12 <freaktechnik> and I'm not sure there is an efficent way to figure out when all images in a message have loaded...
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21:13:11 <freaktechnik> hmm, what do people who follow many people on twitter do in thunderbird?
21:13:19 <freaktechnik> just wait to see their timeline?
21:14:20 <flo-retina> freaktechnik: that's a very old known bug, that's visible for emoticon themes with icons with a height that's bigger than the normal line height.
21:14:50 <flo-retina> freaktechnik: I think there's a load event (or some other event) fired on the HTML document when an image loads, or when all images are done loading.
21:14:50 <freaktechnik> flo-retina: so even local images load too slow? :O
21:15:04 <flo-retina> freaktechnik: even local images load asynchronously, yes
21:15:11 <freaktechnik> yes, the <img> fires a load event.
21:15:28 <flo-retina> the fix is to just retrigger the auto-scroll code when that load event occurs
21:15:58 <freaktechnik> I guess one could make a capturing"load" listener in a parent node of all message
21:16:05 <freaktechnik> *message
21:16:06 <flo-retina> freaktechnik: bug 953706
21:16:08 <freaktechnik> *messages
21:16:08 <instantbot> Bug https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=953706 min, --, ---, nobody, NEW, Scrolling new messages into view doesn't work for messages with big emoticons
21:16:55 <flo-retina> "bio 261 at 2009-10-27'
21:17:02 <flo-retina> I said it was old ;)
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23:03:56 <bgmCoder> Heya everyone
23:04:00 <bgmCoder> I love instantbird
23:04:18 <bgmCoder> I'm trying to figure out how to connect my Office365 account
23:04:24 <bgmCoder> as far as I can tell it can't be done
23:04:32 <bgmCoder> although I see Pidgin has a plugin to do it
23:04:43 <bgmCoder> any word?
23:04:59 <aleth> try SIMPLE, it might be the same thing
23:05:09 <aleth> Microsoft changed the name a couple of times afaik
23:05:13 <bgmCoder> simple?  what's that?
23:05:17 <aamaya> is there a way to change keyboard shortcuts?
23:05:20 <aleth> bgmCoder: ah no, "Office communicator"
23:05:24 <aamaya> I want to swap enter and ctrl-enter
23:05:26 <aamaya> thanks
23:05:33 <bgmCoder> sorry, I'm interrupting... 
23:05:38 <aleth> bgmCoder: or better, ask clokep when he returns ;)
23:06:03 <aleth> aamaya: maybe with an addon?
23:06:05 <flo-retina> aleth: it's SIPE, not SIMPLE.
23:06:15 <bgmCoder> Funny - you enter the chat room and you can't see what others have said before you came - someone talks and well, I thought it was to me... :-]
23:06:22 <flo-retina> ah, or "office communicator" :)
23:06:31 <bgmCoder> Yes - SIPE is what Pidgin has
23:06:41 <bgmCoder> But I don't wanna use pidgin
23:06:44 <bgmCoder> haha
23:06:53 <flo-retina> I think there is (or was) an add-on to swap enter/ctrl+enter
23:06:57 <aleth> bgmCoder: I was  talking to you
23:07:08 <bgmCoder> :-)
23:07:21 <bgmCoder> So how do you get SIPE in Instantbird?
23:07:32 <nhnt11> aamaya, flo-retina: https://addons.instantbird.org/en-US/instantbird/addon/308
23:07:50 <aleth> bgmCoder: hmm, you probably need to use a nightly
23:07:54 <aamaya> ok thanks
23:08:06 <aamaya> wouldn't have thought to actually search ctrl-enter on AMO
23:08:07 <bgmCoder> I remember trying out the 1.6 beta, but it broke something; I can't remember what
23:08:12 <flo-retina> nhnt11: that must be why it sounded familiar ;)
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23:08:26 <aleth> bgmCoder: well, let us know, if it hasn't been fixed
23:08:45 * nhnt11 is always very slightly surprised when someone using Ib has a ChatZilla (or some other program) quit message
23:08:59 <bgmCoder> okay; this minute is the first time I've ever thought to look here for a chatroom for instantbird;  I'm delighted
23:09:25 <nhnt11> bgmCoder: Feel free to pop in here if you ever have questions! :)
23:09:32 <bgmCoder> wonderful!
23:09:45 <bgmCoder> I've tried dozens of chat clients and this is the best
23:09:55 * aleth can't really remember what was in 1.5 and what wasn't at this point :-|
23:09:56 <nhnt11> :)
23:10:06 <aleth> I hope it has an awesometab...
23:10:09 <nhnt11> aleth: it does
23:10:35 <bgmCoder> In fact, I thought development had died and I was happily surprised to find this channel and so many people here
23:10:47 <bgmCoder> I even recognize a nic or two from other IRC channels
23:11:48 <nhnt11> bgmCoder: Well, development hasn't died :)
23:11:53 <bgmCoder> Anyone here using 1.6a1?
23:12:09 <nhnt11> bgmCoder: Quite a few of us!
23:12:11 <flo-retina> you mean, anyone here _not_ using 1.6a1? ;)
23:12:12 <bgmCoder> Is it fit for daily use?
23:12:18 <flo-retina> sure
23:12:18 <nhnt11> Yeah, please use it :)
23:12:20 <bgmCoder> okay, I get the point
23:12:42 <bgmCoder> okay, I'll be back in a minute or two
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23:14:44 topic changed by aleth to "Ask about Instantbird (http://instantbird.com) here! :-) | Ancient version is Instantbird 1.5 | Nightlies: http://nightly.instantbird.im (for testing only) | News: http://blog.instantbird.org | IRC logs: http://log.bezut.info | Pastebin: http://pastebin.instantbird.org | Bugs: https://bugzilla.mozilla.org"
23:15:10 <nhnt11> aleth: you might want to change "for testing only" too ;)
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23:16:07 topic changed by aleth to "Ask about Instantbird (http://instantbird.com) here! :-) | Last version is Instantbird 1.5 | Nightlies: http://nightly.instantbird.im (at your own risk) | News: http://blog.instantbird.org | IRC logs: http://log.bezut.info | Pastebin: http://pastebin.instantbird.org | Bugs: https://bugzilla.mozilla.org"
23:16:19 <bgmCoder> hi!
23:16:53 <bgmCoder> okay, I upgraded to the most recent nightly 
23:17:05 <bgmCoder> Y'all said to mention what is strange
23:17:15 <bgmCoder> Well, my accounts did not all reconnect
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23:18:08 <bgmCoder> irc.efnet.net did not reconnect "Error Peer's Certificate issuer is not recognized"
23:18:15 <bgmCoder> but I didn't have that problem in 1.5
23:18:36 <bgmCoder> So I clicked "Add exception"
23:18:37 <aleth> bgmCoder:  that's because 1.6 tries to use encryption by default. go into account options and disable SSL
23:18:57 <aleth> or add an exception of course ;)
23:19:11 <aleth> or tell efnet to fix their cert ;)
23:19:26 <bgmCoder> it erased my password
23:20:29 <aleth> what, all of them?
23:21:22 <bgmCoder> no, not all of them
23:21:31 <bgmCoder> (sorry, didn't mean to cause a stink here!)
23:22:16 <bgmCoder> it connected just now after I confirmed the exception and re-entered the password
23:22:33 <bgmCoder> I guess when I unchecked the ssl box for the account that it cleared the pw
23:23:08 <bgmCoder> and for some reason irc.freenode.net says "Error: Lost connection with server"
23:23:14 <bgmCoder> but you see I am connected...
23:23:19 <bgmCoder> strange
23:23:26 <aleth> If you added an exception, you don't need to disable SSL
23:23:38 <aleth> This isn't freenode ;)
23:23:44 <bgmCoder> oh
23:23:47 <bgmCoder> uh
23:24:23 <bgmCoder> oh - it's on mozilla...
23:24:25 <bgmCoder> haha
23:24:40 <bgmCoder> sorry
23:24:56 <aleth> but you can connect to freenode ;)
23:25:18 <bgmCoder> I never had ssl enabled for freenode
23:25:34 <bgmCoder> and I've been connected all day before now
23:26:06 <aleth> works fine though
23:27:11 <bgmCoder> Okay, so it says "Error: Lost connection with server" for freenode
23:27:25 <bgmCoder> and ssl is not enabled
23:27:28 <bgmCoder> what can I do?
23:28:28 <aleth> check the port (6697), enable SSL, and reconnect. Works for me on chat.freenode.net
23:29:15 <bgmCoder> the ssl did it
23:29:21 <bgmCoder> I was already on that port
23:29:23 <bgmCoder> thanks!
23:29:41 <nhnt11> bgmCoder: You should use port 6667 if SSL is disabled
23:29:44 <nhnt11> (usually(
23:29:59 <bgmCoder> okay, thanks, y'all
23:30:25 topic changed by aleth to "Ask about Instantbird (http://instantbird.com) here! :-) | Last version was Instantbird 1.5 | Nightlies: http://nightly.instantbird.im (at your own risk) | News: http://blog.instantbird.org | IRC logs: http://log.bezut.info | Pastebin: http://pastebin.instantbird.org | Bugs: https://bugzilla.mozilla.org"
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23:31:04 <bgmCoder> okay, now to get my office365 working
23:31:15 <bgmCoder> y'all say to use Office Communicator, right?
23:31:36 <aleth> well, unless you mean skype, I suppose
23:31:43 <bgmCoder> It's Skype for Business
23:31:51 * aleth is confused by all the microsoft product names
23:31:53 <bgmCoder> we have our own Azure server
23:32:16 <aleth> clokep_work can probably disentangle things ;)
23:32:22 <bgmCoder> It's Skype, but it's Lync (I'm confused too)
23:32:40 <bgmCoder> I was quite happy with our Google Apps domain
23:33:37 <bgmCoder> If I open the settings for the account, there are some edit boxes in Advanced Options that are only 1/8" wide
23:33:46 <bgmCoder> they aren't sized correctly.
23:33:58 <bgmCoder> Office Communicator properties > advanced
23:34:00 <aleth> Interesting. Can you file a bug?
23:34:12 <clokep_work> bgmCoder: Skype != Lync.
23:34:13 <bgmCoder> ah, now you are going to put ME to work
23:34:19 <aleth> bgmCoder: right :-) 
23:34:19 <clokep_work> Skype for Business is Lync, it's not Skype.
23:34:26 <bgmCoder> It says Skype
23:34:27 <clokep_work> That's myunderstanding, at least.
23:34:29 <aleth> a in the bug screenshot would help ;)
23:34:29 <bgmCoder> haha
23:34:38 <bgmCoder> okay, screenshot I can do
23:35:25 <bgmCoder> for your curiosity: http://i.imgur.com/kl0K2or.png
23:35:32 <bgmCoder> I'm looking for the bug-report page
23:35:50 <aleth> it's in the topic
23:35:55 <clokep_work> bgmCoder: https://bugzilla.mozilla.org
23:36:16 <aleth> hrm, that screenshot looks pretty broken
23:36:39 * aleth wonders if it's Windows-only
23:37:08 <clokep_work> I suspect I have backlog to read....
23:38:04 <aleth> If that only happens for SIPE, it might be some libpurple specific error
23:39:59 <bgmCoder> Office Communicator = SPIPE?
23:40:15 <aleth> yeah
23:42:32 <bgmCoder> how do I file a bug for Instantbird?  Bugzilla is for firefox, no?
23:42:46 <bgmCoder> never mind
23:43:27 <clokep_work> No.
23:43:51 <bgmCoder> I figured it out
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23:47:23 <bgmCoder> Here's another funny GUI thingy: http://i.imgur.com/1u7C3uq.png
23:47:40 <instantbot> New Instantbird - Account manager bug 1249161 filed by brgabriel@sspx.org.
23:47:41 <instantbot> Bug https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=1249161 nor, --, ---, nobody, UNCO, GUI is askew in SPIPE settings
23:48:10 <aleth> I assume it wasn't like that for IRC?
23:48:20 <bgmCoder> no, it wasn't
23:48:25 <aleth> Maybe take a look at the error console and see if there is anything related there
23:48:25 <nhnt11> I can reproduce that last one :/
23:48:27 <bgmCoder> but IRC doesn't have so many options
23:48:50 <aleth> nhnt11: if it's a libpurple issue, it won't be OS specific
23:48:52 <bgmCoder> it's just SPIPE as far as I can tell
23:49:00 <bgmCoder> I'm using Windows 7 pro x64
23:49:24 <nhnt11> aleth: are you here?
23:49:33 <nhnt11> Ib doesn't show you in the participant list
23:49:37 <nhnt11> And your nick is greyed out
23:49:46 <nhnt11> But there hasn't been a message that you left
23:49:49 <aleth> flo-retina mentioned seeing something like that recently :-/
23:50:20 <aleth> put the conv on hold and restore will fix it, but STR would be better
23:50:33 <flo-retina> nhnt11: check the error console
23:50:38 <nhnt11> flo-retina: Already did
23:50:45 <flo-retina> there's likely something about adding a duplicated nick, or failing to remove a nick
23:50:52 <nhnt11> flo-retina: I see both
23:50:53 <flo-retina> and after that the participant list gets out of sync
23:51:10 <nhnt11> "Cannot remove a buddy that was not in the room"
23:51:11 <clokep_work> bgmCoder: Yeah so that UI is auto-generated...and doesn't look so hot for SIPE.
23:51:15 <clokep_work> I think we never got around to fixing it.
23:51:21 <nhnt11> As well as "Adding chat buddy <...> twice?!"
23:51:22 <bgmCoder> it's new anyway
23:51:23 <clokep_work> But it should be easier now.
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23:52:35 <bgmCoder> I'm happy to beta-test
23:52:42 <nhnt11> I'd manually disconnected and reconnected my account earlier
23:52:54 <bgmCoder> although I can be rather noisy as you can see... 
23:52:59 <nhnt11> Thought it might have somethign to do with it, but everything seems to be fine
23:53:06 * nhnt11 will wait and see if it happens again
23:53:06 <bgmCoder> Oh, you know what?
23:53:32 <bgmCoder> my Thunderbird Aero Smileys addon isn't compatible with 1.6!
23:53:35 <bgmCoder> awwwww
23:53:50 <aleth> that should be easy to fix ;)
23:54:05 <bgmCoder> haha thanks
23:54:18 <aleth> just update the maxversion
23:54:29 <freaktechnik> hmmm, I have a patch that's scrolling to the latest message if autoscrolling is enabled whenever an image loads. I'm not getting cutoff message bubbles anymore, but scrolling still randomly stops...
23:54:42 <bgmCoder> hi, freaktechnik!
23:54:52 <freaktechnik> hello :)
23:55:16 <bgmCoder> you remember me, right?
23:55:37 <freaktechnik> yes
23:56:03 <clokep_work> Lets see if I can get my tests t orun....
23:56:06 <bgmCoder> Well, I have to go now, y'all;  talk to you later
23:56:13 <bgmCoder> (the bell rang for Rosary)
23:56:22 <freaktechnik> bye
23:56:37 <freaktechnik> hmm, is it possible that _lastElement in the convbrowser is not yet updated and thus it scrolls to the wrong place?
23:57:58 <clokep_work> flo-retina, nhnt11: So I'm still getting "NO tests run. Did you pass an invalid --test-path"
23:58:45 <clokep_work> http://pastebin.instantbird.com/2376148 is my iff
23:58:57 <clokep_work> I'm running mach xpcshell-test chat/protocols/facebook/
23:59:47 <clokep_work> I'm completley stumped and frustrated.
23:59:50 <clokep_work> I can pay in cookies.