#instantbird log on 08 31 2015

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02:31:05 <instant-buildbot> build #2870 of macosx-nightly-default is complete: Failure [4failed hg]  Build details are at http://buildbot.instantbird.org/builders/macosx-nightly-default/builds/2870
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09:35:06 <flo-retina> Hello :)
09:38:21 <flo-retina> I'm not very pleased with the colors on the waterfall :(
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09:38:38 <flo-retina> 150+ unread bugmail conversations
09:39:02 <aleth> OSX is likely just disconnected?
09:39:13 <flo-retina> OS X is wifi issues
09:39:21 <flo-retina> and now a corrupted mercurial repository
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10:01:17 <flo-retina> btw re bug 1199855. I remember attending a lightning talk about Matrix at Fosdem and liking quite a bit what the matrix folks explained.
10:01:19 <instantbot> Bug https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=1199855 nor, --, ---, nobody, NEW, Add Matrix as a supported protocol
10:01:59 <flo-retina> whether this ends up getting a real user base or not is another matter of course, but the concepts seemed really interesting
10:02:38 <aleth> Btw one of the devs joined #instantbird after that bug conversation happened, it's in the logs
10:02:50 <aleth> Oh, and the fix for the Linux failures is a newer gcc
10:03:11 <flo-retina> as explained in https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=1073319 ?
10:03:14 <instantbot> Bug 1073319 nor, --, mozilla43, j, RESO FIXED, VP9 performance regression due to broken libvpx AVX2 optimizations on Linux
10:03:20 <aleth> yeah
10:03:22 <flo-retina> it seems we need gcc from tooltool too now
10:03:30 <aleth> Just in case you didn't read the backlog...
10:03:33 <flo-retina> more messing with the slaves :(
10:03:37 <flo-retina> I totally didn't read the backlog
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10:03:42 <flo-retina> (and don't intend to)
10:03:46 <doublex> hay!
10:03:51 <doublex> hey!
10:04:01 <aleth> I fixed the issue for TB by removing no_tooltool but I guess that's not an option for IB
10:04:10 <doublex> I want to install Instantbird on U14.04
10:04:13 <doublex> Hard
10:04:21 <flo-retina> aleth: ah, I'm curious to see that patch then :)
10:04:24 <doublex> Shall you give me some help?
10:04:41 <flo-retina> doublex: where are you getting stuck? :)
10:04:54 <aleth> flo-retina: what patch? it was trivial https://hg.mozilla.org/comm-central/rev/cc0929afb85b
10:04:55 <doublex> I've downloaded it
10:05:13 <doublex> I've tried to install Gajim
10:05:15 <doublex> Pudgin
10:05:20 <doublex> And Hexchat
10:05:24 <flo-retina> aleth: do we have suck a "no_tooltool=1"?
10:05:36 <flo-retina> *such
10:05:41 <aleth> Yes... but I thought we couldn't access tooltool?
10:05:45 <doublex> hexchat is not a malware, i hope?
10:05:54 <flo-retina> aleth: most likely. I don't remember at all :-/
10:06:21 <doublex> i'm lost.......
10:06:22 <aleth> If you want me to push the IB equivalent of that patch just to try it I can do that ;)
10:06:46 <flo-retina> aleth: I have no idea what that would do
10:06:55 <flo-retina> ie. I don't know which code reads that variable
10:07:33 <aleth> doublex: Unpack the file you downloaded into a directory, then run the file "instantbird" that will be inside it
10:08:08 <doublex> ok
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10:11:17 <doublex> xd@Euroka:~/Téléchargements/instantbird$ ls application.ini     libfreebl3.so     libssl3.so chrome              libmozalloc.so    libxul.so chrome.manifest     libmozsqlite3.so  mozilla-xremote-client components          libnspr4.so       omni.ja crashreporter       libnss3.so        platform.ini crashreporter.ini   libnssckbi.so     plugin-container default
10:11:28 <doublex> sorry
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10:11:54 <doublex> It doesn't work
10:12:19 <aleth> Are you on 64bit Linux?
10:12:54 <aleth> Then you have to download the _64 version from here instead http://ftp.instantbird.com/instantbird/nightly/latest-trunk/
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10:15:27 <doublex> hexchat is not a malware?
10:15:46 <aleth> I have no idea what hexchat is
10:16:16 <doublex> A client
10:16:50 <doublex> i need an application to open IB
10:19:19 <doublex> It even propose me Thunder
10:19:23 <doublex> Bird
10:19:27 <doublex> o_O
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10:21:40 <doublex> r u here?
10:22:29 <satdav> doublex: I am about 
10:22:38 <doublex> ok
10:23:34 <doublex> If even for you it's hatd.....
10:23:47 <aleth> It's not hard.
10:24:00 <doublex> It's soft, I know ^^
10:24:28 <doublex> But I could'nt do it alone
10:24:34 <aleth> If you don't tell people exactly what error you run into, they can't help you.
10:24:40 <doublex> yes
10:24:58 <doublex> what do you want to know?
10:25:45 <aleth> If you open a terminal, cd to the instantbird directory, and run "./instantbird", what does it say?
10:25:58 <doublex> wait
10:26:50 <doublex> xd@Euroka:~/Téléchargements/instantbird$ ./instantbird ./run-mozilla.sh: 109: exec: ./instantbird-bin: not found
10:27:17 <flo-retina> try with the 64 bit version
10:27:27 <doublex> I've got instantbird-bin
10:27:49 <satdav> flo-retina: any plans to do nighly for en-gb 
10:27:54 <doublex> instantbird         libsmime3.so      updater instantbird-bin 
10:28:17 <flo-retina> satdav: I don't think we ever had someone offer to translate to en-gb
10:28:56 <flo-retina> satdav: and we have no plans to do localized nightly builds. But localized weekly builds are likely to happen in the next few months.
10:29:01 <satdav> flo-retina: I am willing to do it for instant bird 
10:30:45 <aleth> Cool, so when localized weekly builds happen we can set you up for that.
10:31:24 <satdav> aleth: that would be good who does the locale builds the now 
10:31:44 <aleth> Right now only the release version is localized
10:32:08 <satdav> aleth: yes I am willing to do them also 
10:32:31 <satdav> aleth: how would I do that for en-gb 
10:32:47 <doublex> aleth
10:33:01 <aleth> For releases that have already happened, it's not possible any more
10:33:02 <doublex> Wgat about restarting frfom scratch?
10:33:13 <doublex> I uninistal and reinstall it?
10:33:24 <aleth> For the next release, the weekly builds will become the release after a while
10:33:39 <aleth> doublex: Just delete the directory you created and you can start over
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10:33:57 <doublex> ok
10:34:58 <aleth> satdav: There's just some build infrastructure changes going on
10:36:03 <doublex> aleth same that before xd@Euroka:~/Téléchargements/instantbird$ ./instantbird ./run-mozilla.sh: 109: exec: ./instantbird-bin: not found
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10:37:14 <flo-retina> doublex: which file did you download?
10:37:47 <doublex> nstantbird-1.6a1pre.en-US.linux-x86_64.tar.bz2	
10:38:00 <doublex> WAIT!!!!!!!!!!!!!
10:38:11 <doublex> I didn't extracted it!!!!!!!!!
10:39:01 <doublex> Now it works.... nearly
10:39:11 <flo-retina> aleth: so, am I actually blocking https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=1186658 ?
10:39:14 <instantbot> Bug 1186658 nor, --, ---, a.ahmed1026, NEW, Handle XEP-0092: jabber:iq:version
10:39:30 <doublex> which protocol do i take?
10:39:41 <doublex> aleth?
10:40:03 <aleth> flo-retina: iirc you had some concerns
10:40:19 <aleth> doublex: whatever you like
10:40:48 <doublex> i don't remember the server i have to choose
10:41:58 <doublex> aleth?
10:42:07 <aleth> doublex: I can't help you with that.
10:42:31 <doublex> #qa an?
10:42:34 <doublex> can
10:42:36 <doublex> ?
10:42:51 <doublex> I'll ask'em
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10:57:01 <clokep> Matth3w: If you make any progress, it'd be nice to put a WIP somewhere. :)
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11:04:29 <doublex> aleth
11:04:50 <doublex> On on the serevr but there is no connnxion
11:05:07 <doublex> Maybe I've typed a wrong passwored
11:05:13 <doublex> password
11:08:38 <doublex> I restart from beginning
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11:11:28 <doublex1> aleth we did it!!!! Congratulations!
11:11:41 <doublex1> "Significant victory". BSG ;)
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12:16:07 <Bretagne> Bonjour, i am French 
12:16:19 <clokep> Bonjour! I am not French. :)
12:16:24 <clokep> But there are French people here.
12:16:36 <Bretagne> this soft is verry goog ;)
12:18:21 <Bretagne> I have a small question, my English is translated with Google, I asked whether Instantbird can regularly send an Internet radio titration value ? 
12:18:38 <clokep> You can ask flo-retina in French if you'd like.
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12:19:58 <flo-retina> Bretagne: Bonjour.
12:20:18 <Bretagne> je voudrais savoir si on peux envoyer une valeur de temps en temps ? 
12:20:24 <Bretagne> un script irc ... 
12:20:57 <flo-retina> tu peux détailer un peu plus le cas concrêt d'utilisation ?
12:21:15 <Bretagne> (je voudrais envoyer le titrage d'une webradio dans la conversation) ;)
12:22:23 <flo-retina> tu dois pouvoir faire un add-on pour ça
12:23:32 <Bretagne> d'accord merci je dois me reporte à la documentation https://wiki.instantbird.org/Instantbird:Extension ? 
12:23:52 <flo-retina> c'est un bon point de départ
12:24:54 <Bretagne> je n'est pas compris par compte la compilation ...
12:29:17 <Matth3w> bonjour...
12:29:45 <Bretagne> bonjour
12:29:49 <Matth3w> clokep: will do if i get anywhere. unfortunately very limited bw for hacking on clients on the matrix side atm 
12:30:11 <Matth3w> (randomly, half the Matrix team are in Bretagne (in Rennes))
12:30:43 <Matth3w> flo-retina: glad the fosdem talk made sense :)
12:31:00 <Bretagne> sérieux je suis aussi a coté de rennes
12:31:04 <Matth3w> we are getting a pretty good userbase fwiw (about 35K users on the matrix.org server alone atm)
12:31:18 <flo-retina> Matth3w: hey :)
12:31:42 <Matth3w> Bretagne: cool :) mon français est très mauvais (mal?) unfortunament ;)
12:32:10 <Matth3w> Bretagne: tu es ou?
12:32:39 <Bretagne> je suis a Saint Brieuc a coté de Rennes ( i am in st brieuc bettween Rennes
12:33:01 <Matth3w> je sais (connais?) Saint Brieuc
12:33:25 <Matth3w> j'étais la, semaine derniere
12:33:39 <Matth3w> (et Lannion, etc)
12:34:28 <Bretagne> i am born in lannion 
12:34:29 <Bretagne> ;)
12:35:21 <Matth3w> clokep/flo-retina: ironically we used to maintain an inhouse thunderbird branch a few years back (to pull in a bunch of random tweaks to core that we couldn't get accepted), so we know the general codebase pretty well
12:35:54 <Matth3w> but the problem is that we are stuck sorting the server and bridges (like this one) and a few reference clients
12:35:55 <flo-retina> Matth3w: that's interesting.
12:36:03 <flo-retina> "couldn't get accepted" why?
12:36:35 <Matth3w> probably because we (i) didn't invest the time to polish them up and integrate them to the level required
12:36:43 <flo-retina> did you file bugs?
12:36:48 <Matth3w> yeah
12:36:54 <Matth3w> they are all bitrotted to death now
12:37:08 <Matth3w> and have even been fixed up properly in some cases
12:37:14 <Matth3w> or extensions have worked around them
12:37:16 <Bretagne> for my idea and titration worries for radio and Internet radio, if I smile decompile the plugin and that I change what is good?
12:37:36 <Matth3w> bretagne: lannion is a beautiful place :)
12:38:29 <Bretagne> ;) the Perros Guirec  is verry ;) 
12:40:05 <Bretagne> Why not natively Instantbird scripts like its competitors?
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12:46:08 <aleth> Addons are rather powerful native scripts, they can do anything ;)
12:47:51 <Bretagne> eux this script not exécute in the instant http://codes-sources.commentcamarche.net/source/41562-radiochan
12:53:09 <aleth> well no, that's written for a completely ifferent client, nothing standard.
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12:54:02 <aleth> you would have to port it
12:54:52 <Bretagne> I try the same thing now, that would make a small add ons for Icecast server?
12:54:53 <Bretagne> ;)
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18:35:38 <aahmed> Hi, I'm abdelrhman. I think this irc nick is shorter and easy to use. so I have two nicks (abdelrhman and aahmed).
18:36:44 <clokep_work> aahmed: Hello. :)
18:37:07 <aahmed> Is this better/shorter?
18:38:29 <clokep_work> It's easier to prounce! :-D
18:38:41 <aahmed> :-)
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18:40:06 * flo-retina has nothing against people using several IRC nicks :-]
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18:43:07 <aahmed> aahmed: Hi aleth ;)
18:43:24 <aahmed> :P
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18:44:43 <aleth> hello
18:44:49 <aahmed> aleth: I'm abdelrhman. I think this irc nick is shorter and easy to use :-)
18:45:14 <aleth> OK :-)
18:45:28 <aleth> I never typed the old nick anyway, we have tab completion for that ;)
18:46:55 <aahmed> I do that too, but I know it is hard to remember or if you want to write without tab completion.
18:48:02 <flo-retina> nobody writes nicks without tab completion ;)
18:49:02 <freaktechnik> (unless on some kind of device without tab)
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18:56:18 <aahmed> actually, If that's all, I'd go back to old one :-)
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19:15:57 <flo-retina> abdelrhman: use whatever you like :)
19:17:47 <abdelrhman> flo-retina: I just thought it can easier/shorter for you. but seems it's OK
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19:27:11 <abdelrhman> aleth: for bug 1172354, in splitting message, why do you think split would mess up the message?
19:27:13 <instantbot> Bug https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=1172354 nor, --, ---, a.ahmed1026, NEW, Add ban, kick, invite, msg, nick commands for XMPP MUCs
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20:45:30 <abdelrhman> aleth: I got what you meant.
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20:47:57 <GeekShadow> YO
20:47:59 <GeekShadow> oops
20:48:15 <GeekShadow> on IB can you browse the list of jabber channels ?
20:49:45 <abdelrhman> currently, we do not provide that in xmpp-js.
20:56:15 <clokep_work> I think that means there's a feature request. :P
20:58:33 <abdelrhman> yes, let's add it ;), but I want to finish essential bugs firstly.
20:58:44 <flo-retina> isn't that part of service discovery?
20:59:22 <abdelrhman> yes, it needs a query after service discovery to get them if service supports that
21:00:05 <flo-retina> there are service discovery patches around, right?
21:00:17 <flo-retina> I don't remember if that was part of the webrtc set of patches or part of the file transfer stuff though
21:00:51 <abdelrhman> we have already done service discovery. it's just a query is needed to get channels.
21:01:55 <abdelrhman> flo-retina: check (https://dxr.mozilla.org/comm-central/source/chat/protocols/xmpp/xmpp.jsm#1486)
21:03:17 <GeekShadow> I suspect some requests both merge in TB and IB ?
21:05:13 <clokep_work> GeekShadow: What?
21:05:48 <GeekShadow> I mean patches
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21:09:47 <aleth> GeekShadow: All of the chat core is shared code
21:09:57 <aleth> it's automatically applied to both
21:10:42 <flo-retina> abdelrhman: sorry, I didn't remember that I no longer know what's in our XMPP code, thanks to all your recent patches :)
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21:13:01 <aleth> abdelrhman: glad you figured it out :-)
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21:14:51 <abdelrhman> flo-retina: the best one to thank is aleth, I'm sure he spent more time for reviewing many revisions of patches.
21:15:18 <flo-retina> abdelrhman: well, it's not news to me that aleth is awesome ;).
21:15:35 <flo-retina> I already noticed that a couple years ago, and regularly have opportunities to rediscover it ;).
21:16:31 * aleth blushes
21:16:33 <abdelrhman> :-)
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21:56:26 <abdelrhman> seems ejabberd breaks the spec in ban command when you try to ban yourself as it returns not-allowed, but it should be conflict. Can anyone confirm that?
21:56:48 <abdelrhman> check XEP-0045 (two lines below Example 115)
21:58:45 <aleth> yes, a quick look at the ejabberd bugtracker gives https://github.com/processone/ejabberd/issues/574
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22:00:44 <abdelrhman> so, do we need a temporary message in that case until they fix that, or just use privilege message?
22:02:14 <aleth> Just use the privilege message, I don't think we have to worry too much about people banning themselves ;)
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22:05:08 <abdelrhman> OK :)
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22:28:10 <EionRobb> /me ban /me
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