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18:44:42 <clokep_work> nhnt11: Did you see flo's comments in here earlier today? 18:44:52 <clokep_work> He has some concerns about the aggresiveness of the log splitting. 18:45:01 <nhnt11> clokep_work: I saw that, wasn't it yesterday? 18:45:23 <nhnt11> oh 18:45:25 <nhnt11> saw the screenshot 18:45:33 <clokep_work> Again today. :-D 18:45:34 <nhnt11> 30 minutes definitely seems too short, looking at that. 18:46:31 <clokep_work> Yeah, I'm not sure... 18:46:54 <nhnt11> I think it depends on the activeness of the conversation also 18:47:42 <clokep_work> I think that was Florian's suggestion yesterday? 18:48:12 <clokep_work> Oh, not really.... 18:48:31 <clokep_work> http://log.bezut.info/instantbird/150805/#m157 is what I was thinking of 18:50:31 <nhnt11> clokep_work: So we split the file if it's been 30 mins since the last message. I think a baby step that will have immediate effect would be to exclude system messages (join/part) 18:50:51 <clokep_work> nhnt11: Would that make it better or worse? :-S 18:51:14 <nhnt11> clokep_work: better. today's screenshot for example 18:51:34 <nhnt11> by exclude system messages I mean, don't count those as a "last message" 18:51:57 <nhnt11> i.e. split the log 30 mins after the last message that was a person talking 18:52:01 <clokep_work> nhnt11: Wouldn't that make today's example worse? :-S 18:52:12 <clokep_work> Oh so you mean if it's *just* system messages it wouldn't be split ever?! 18:52:21 <nhnt11> not "ever" 18:52:39 <clokep_work> Well more rarely. ;) 18:52:40 <nhnt11> the point of splitting after 30 minutes, was so that separate conversations could be in different sections 18:52:51 <clokep_work> Right but if there's no conversation... 18:52:57 <nhnt11> yeah, so we don't split 18:53:02 <nhnt11> shouldn't* 18:53:08 <clokep_work> That sounds reasonable. 18:53:12 * nhnt11 isn't sure if you agree with my idea or not 18:53:19 <nhnt11> ok now it seems like you agree ;) 18:53:19 <clokep_work> I think I agree. 18:53:26 <clokep_work> So I haven't really seen that problem. 18:53:27 <nhnt11> I think 30 minutes is a good amount of time 18:53:35 --> gerard-majax has joined #instantbird 18:53:37 <clokep_work> I'd probably be more likely to notice it if we had Windows nightlies. 18:53:39 * clokep_work sighs again. 18:53:50 <nhnt11> I think the problem is that using the last message's time is a bad idea 18:54:46 <nhnt11> I've got an idea 18:54:55 <nhnt11> we can measure the conversation's "density" 18:55:08 <nhnt11> I mean, average time between messages 18:55:36 <nhnt11> then, if this average time has been a small numbrer (less than 10 minutes maybe), we can assume that these messages are all part of the same conversation 18:55:37 <clokep_work> Average message rate? 18:55:59 <nhnt11> then, if a message arrives way later (30 minutes? an hour?) we split 18:56:23 <nhnt11> yeah kinda a rate measurement 18:56:30 <nhnt11> keeping track of this "rate" is cheap 18:56:35 <nhnt11> we already have the message count of the current log 18:56:44 <nhnt11> so we just need to keep track of the current average time 18:57:03 <aleth> Seems like a good approach, also the ignoring system messages. 18:57:29 <nhnt11> I dislike the idea of increasing the time to 12 hours 18:57:40 <nhnt11> because that defeats the purpose of that 30 minute delay entirely 18:58:03 <nhnt11> I'm not against increasing 30 minutes to maybe an hour or something though 19:01:26 <nhnt11> oh wait 19:01:28 <nhnt11> "I wonder if the inactivity time should start at a large value (eg. 12hours) and be automatically reduced as the log size increases." 19:01:43 <nhnt11> that makes sense, though I would s/log size increases/message rate increases/ 19:02:27 <nhnt11> we could do something like delay = (magic constant) * message rate 19:02:50 <nhnt11> so if we currently have a message rate of 5 minutes, it'd be acceptable to split after 30 minutes of inactivity 19:03:02 <nhnt11> but if the message rate is ~20 minutes, we should probably wait more like an hour or two 19:03:45 <aleth> yeah, if it depends on the message rate then it should work better 19:05:10 <clokep_work> nhnt11: Wouldn't you want it to be a multiple of the rate or something? 19:05:18 <clokep_work> If the current rate is 5 minutes, split at 30 minutes. 19:05:24 <nhnt11> clokep_work: that's what I just said ;) 19:05:29 <clokep_work> If the current rate is 60 minutes, split at 12 hours. 19:05:37 <clokep_work> Alright. I guess I read it differently. 19:05:44 <nhnt11> clokep_work: "delay = (magic constant) * message rate" 19:05:49 <clokep_work> Oh I think that got jumbled in my mind. 19:05:56 <clokep_work> I reverse the one hour and 30 minutes in your last two sentences. :) 19:05:58 <nhnt11> :D 19:06:48 <clokep_work> nhnt11: Can I prod you to file a bug? 19:06:55 <nhnt11> cool 19:16:23 <-- chrisccoulson has quit (Ping timeout: 121 seconds) 19:18:13 <instantbot> New Chat Core - General bug 1191957 filed by nhnt11@gmail.com. 19:18:14 <instantbot> Bug https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=1191957 nor, --, ---, nhnt11, ASSI, Be smarter about splitting log files after periods of inactivity 19:18:21 <nhnt11> there you go 19:18:45 <-- Bollebib has quit (Connection closed) 19:18:47 --> Bollebib has joined #instantbird 19:19:47 <clokep_work> Thanks! 19:29:20 --> chrisccoulson_ has joined #instantbird 19:44:40 <clokep_work> aleth, nhnt11: Do we think https://wiki.instantbird.org/Protocol_Identifiers is useful? 19:44:44 <clokep_work> (I doubt it.) 19:48:05 <nhnt11> clokep_work: Probably not? 19:48:38 <nhnt11> a quick code search could give you that information... 19:52:23 <clokep_work> Kind of. 19:53:21 <-- mpmc has quit (Quit: Instantbird 1.6a1pre -- http://www.instantbird.com) 19:59:30 <-- afiksof1 has quit (Ping timeout: 121 seconds) 20:00:57 --> afiksof has joined #instantbird 20:09:00 <-- afiksof has quit (Ping timeout: 121 seconds) 20:09:26 --> myk has joined #instantbird 20:36:28 <-- chrisccoulson_ has quit (Ping timeout: 121 seconds) 20:48:10 --> EionRobb has joined #instantbird 20:56:45 --> chrisccoulson has joined #instantbird 21:07:06 <-- Bollebib has quit (Quit: Instantbird 1.5 -- http://www.instantbird.com) 21:12:08 <-- Mnyromyr has quit (Ping timeout: 121 seconds) 21:13:26 --> Mnyromyr has joined #instantbird 21:42:16 <-- Mnyromyr has quit (Ping timeout: 121 seconds) 21:48:58 --> Mnyromyr has joined #instantbird 22:01:55 <-- chrisccoulson has quit (Ping timeout: 121 seconds) 22:06:03 <-- gerard-majax has quit (Ping timeout: 121 seconds) 22:08:55 <-- Mnyromyr has quit (Ping timeout: 121 seconds) 22:18:39 --> freaktechnik_ has joined #instantbird 22:20:32 <-- freaktechnik has quit (Ping timeout: 121 seconds) 22:20:32 * freaktechnik_ is now known as freaktechnik 22:22:28 --> flo-retina has joined #instantbird 22:22:28 * ChanServ sets mode +qo flo-retina flo-retina 22:23:38 --> Mnyromyr has joined #instantbird 22:28:47 <-- arlolra has quit (Client exited) 22:31:18 <-- nhnt11 has quit (Ping timeout: 121 seconds) 22:33:17 <-- Mnyromyr has quit (Ping timeout: 121 seconds) 22:34:07 --> Mnyromyr has joined #instantbird 22:35:49 --> nhnt11 has joined #instantbird 22:35:49 * ChanServ sets mode +h nhnt11 22:36:31 <-- nhnt11 has quit (Connection closed) 22:36:31 --> nhnt11 has joined #instantbird 22:36:31 * ChanServ sets mode +h nhnt11 22:43:55 <-- clokep_work has quit (Ping timeout: 121 seconds) 22:49:01 <-- Mnyromyr has quit (Ping timeout: 121 seconds) 22:50:46 --> Mnyromyr has joined #instantbird 22:56:53 <-- Mnyromyr has quit (Ping timeout: 121 seconds) 23:04:03 <flo-retina> clokep: the https://wiki.instantbird.org/Protocol_Identifiers page was intended to be associated (I'm not sure if it actually is) with the localization note for the top prpl string of the account wizard 23:11:58 --> clokep has joined #instantbird 23:11:58 * ChanServ sets mode +o clokep 23:13:11 <flo-retina> clokep: I answered your question about the usefulness of the wiki page 23:13:57 <clokep> flo-retina: Thanks. 23:14:16 <clokep> Ah-ha! That is more useful than I expected. :) 23:15:14 <clokep> Thanks! 23:18:54 <-- clokep has quit (Quit: Instantbird 1.6a1pre -- http://www.instantbird.com) 23:29:22 --> clokep has joined #instantbird 23:29:22 * ChanServ sets mode +o clokep 23:32:08 <-- aleth has quit (Ping timeout: 121 seconds) 23:35:46 <-- myk has quit (Quit: Instantbird 1.6a1pre -- http://www.instantbird.com) 23:35:49 --> myk has joined #instantbird 23:52:00 <-- myk has quit (Ping timeout: 121 seconds)