#instantbird log on 04 14 2015

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02:12:35 <instant-buildbot> build #277 of linux64-nightly-default is complete: Failure [4failed compile]  Build details are at http://buildbot.instantbird.org/builders/linux64-nightly-default/builds/277
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03:50:27 <AlexanderSalas> Server certificate has expired (please adjust your system clock to the correct date and time if it is incorrect)
03:50:54 <AlexanderSalas> The Software Update Window of Instantbird
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10:50:07 <flo-retina> FYI I just renewed the domain names instantbird.{org,com,fr} and getinstantbird.com for another year
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13:03:05 <clokep_web> flo-retina: Not to bug...the build failure we're having, any thoughts on it? It seems a bit beyond me.
13:03:23 <flo-retina> I haven't looked
13:03:35 <flo-retina> build failures don't really matter if we can't update anyway ;)
13:03:47 <clokep_web> Except for knowing if we have more bustages incoming. :)
13:03:48 * flo-retina has been poking at the cert stuff for too long already
13:04:02 * clokep_web finds it frustrating when we fix a bustage and then realize we got busted during the time we were busted.
13:04:06 <clokep_web> (Say that 5 times fast.)
13:04:15 <flo-retina> I know the feeling ;)
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14:04:50 <flo-retina> ah, so the build failure is now the EXTRA_DSO_LDOPTS one everywhere
14:04:57 <flo-retina> I'll need to have a look 'soon' I guess
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16:01:32 <JakeSays> I just built instantbird which went fine, but now i want to connect it to my XMPP server. how do i enable the xmpp prodocol?
16:01:57 <clokep_web> JakeSays: Did you build it with libpurple or no?
16:03:05 <JakeSays> clokep_web: how would i confirm that? (i think i did, but not sure)
16:04:39 <clokep_web> JakeSays: Did you enable the purple extenson in your mozconfig file? :)
16:04:43 <clokep_web> Anyway, XMPP is enabled by default.
16:04:52 <clokep_web> I don't remember what happens if you *don't* build libpurple though.
16:05:10 <JakeSays> i didnt explicitly enable it, but yeah i thought it was by default available
16:05:33 <clokep_web> Not when you build yourself.
16:05:39 <JakeSays> ah
16:05:42 <clokep_web> What directions did you follow?
16:05:43 <JakeSays> heh thats it then
16:05:51 <clokep_web> You don't need libpurple to enable XMPP/
16:05:55 <clokep_web> There's a JS version you can use.
16:06:03 <clokep_web> (Why did you build it yourself anyway?)
16:06:21 <clokep_web> Uhhh and where did you download the code from?
16:06:35 <clokep_web> (I might have said some super wrong things depending on what version you grabbed. :))
16:06:37 <JakeSays> i pulled the code directly from the repo
16:07:15 <JakeSays> using these instructions https://wiki.instantbird.org/Instantbird:Compiling
16:07:26 <clokep_web> Yeah, those are super old...
16:07:32 <JakeSays> lol yay
16:07:49 <clokep_web> I thought I deleted that page. :-\
16:08:20 <JakeSays> can you point me to the correct instructions?
16:08:23 <clokep_web> JakeSays: So using that, XMPP should ne enabled by default, but you'll be on a VERY old version of Mozlila.
16:08:27 <clokep_web> https://developer.mozilla.org/en-US/docs/Simple_Instantbird_build is the new directions.
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16:08:58 <JakeSays> ah ok
16:10:23 <clokep_web> Ah...OK so you might be kind of OK. :)
16:10:27 <clokep_web> You at least built it off of comm-central!
16:10:34 <JakeSays> yes
16:10:53 <clokep_web> SO you have two options: flip the pref to use the JavaScript XMPP, or build libpurple if you need other protocols too.
16:11:17 <JakeSays> hmm. i'll try the pref first
16:11:25 <clokep_web> OK, do you know how to get to about:config?
16:11:38 <clokep_web> Tools > Prefs > Advanced > about config (or something like that...)
16:12:11 <JakeSays> how about tools/options/advanced/config editor
16:12:15 <clokep_web> I added some text to https://wiki.instantbird.org/Instantbird:Compiling pointing to the other page. :)
16:12:19 <clokep_web> Yes, that's the one!
16:12:28 <JakeSays> im there
16:12:30 <clokep_web> JakeSays: Then search for forcePrpl (or maybe force Purple)
16:12:39 <clokep_web> Oops forcePrpl or forcePurple.
16:12:54 <clokep_web> It should list "prpl-xmpp,prpl-yahoo,...
16:12:58 <JakeSays> chat.prpls.forcePurple
16:13:05 <JakeSays> it has prpl-jabber
16:13:06 <clokep_web> Yep.
16:13:22 <clokep_web> OK, double click it to edit and delete prpl-jabber
16:13:24 <clokep_web> Save and restart.
16:15:15 <JakeSays> still no xmpp listed
16:15:35 <JakeSays> i have gtalk, facebook, twitter and yahoo
16:21:22 <clokep_web> Click next without selecting one.
16:21:30 <clokep_web> Or scroll to the bottom and it should say "more"
16:21:50 <JakeSays> i did. 
16:21:54 <JakeSays> nothing changed
16:22:42 <JakeSays> i rebuilt with purple
16:22:48 <JakeSays> still no xmpp :(
16:23:27 <clokep_web> You don't see IRC either?
16:23:32 <clokep_web> Then something weird is going on.
16:23:33 <JakeSays> irc was there
16:23:44 <clokep_web> Ah. OK.
16:23:56 <JakeSays> yeah irc is there in the 'more' dialog
16:24:03 <JakeSays> and odnoklassniki
16:24:07 <JakeSays> whatever that is
16:24:08 <clokep_web> XMPP should be listed with those, yes.
16:24:14 <JakeSays> its not
16:24:17 <clokep_web> Are you using mach run?
16:24:34 <JakeSays> yes
16:24:55 <JakeSays> i get this in the debug console: Error: failed to create an instance of @instantbird.org/purple/protocol;1: TypeError: Cc[cid] is undefined
16:25:08 <JakeSays> maybe i need to clobber and build
16:28:10 <JakeSays> i'm gonna do that. i'll check back when its done
16:32:58 <JakeSays> well that didnt work
16:34:06 <JakeSays> it fails to build purple
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16:34:36 <clokep_web> You're going to need to give me more information. :)
16:34:53 <clokep_web> JakeSays: Are you building it just for fun or did you want to fix something or did you not find the nightly builds?
16:35:25 <JakeSays> for fun'ish
16:35:35 <JakeSays> i'm building an IM system for my wife and i
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16:36:23 <JakeSays> clokep_web: http://www.privatepaste.com/1c6a646f48
16:36:34 <JakeSays> thats the end of the build log
16:36:40 <clokep_web> That's blocked by my firewall.
16:36:46 <clokep_web> http://pastebin.instantbird.org should work
16:37:20 <clokep_web> Normally I'd quote http://xkcd.com/927/ when people say things like that to me. ;)
16:37:21 <JakeSays> http://pastebin.instantbird.com/1251633
16:37:49 <clokep_web> JakeSays: Oh, doh. I'm an idiot. Our builds are busted right now from a m-c changeset we haven't picked up yet...
16:37:53 <JakeSays> lol but i'm not defining the GUS (grand unified standard)
16:37:55 <clokep_web> (http://buildbot.instantbird.org)
16:38:00 <JakeSays> ah
16:38:08 <clokep_web> One second!
16:39:31 <clokep_web> JakeSays: cd mozilla && hg up 8f57f60ee58a503fab9d03e424661bee4011d85e
16:39:40 <clokep_web> cd .. && mach build
16:40:02 <clokep_web> (This is the m-c rev used in our most recent successful build: http://buildbot.instantbird.org/builders/win32-nightly-default/builds/1689 http://buildbot.instantbird.org/builders/win32-nightly-default/builds/1689/steps/shell_2/logs/stdio)
16:40:20 <clokep_web> What do you want your IM systme to do that current ones don't? :)
16:40:48 <JakeSays> poke through a nasty firewall that my wife is behind
16:41:25 <clokep_web> Ahhhhh.
16:41:36 <clokep_web> What's open? Port 80? 443? 22?
16:41:42 <clokep_web> GTalk works through port 443 FWIW.
16:41:49 <clokep_web> Unless the domain is blocked too.
16:41:53 <JakeSays> 80
16:42:12 * clokep_web really hopes they don't block HTTPS. :(
16:42:23 <JakeSays> oh yeah and 443
16:43:02 <JakeSays> i've always hosted our own IM system. its always been a simple xmpp server (prosody on a raspberry pi) 
16:43:42 <JakeSays> but this new place won't allow non-http[s] traffic to non-whitelisted sites
16:43:56 <JakeSays> and they wont whitelist my site
16:44:07 <clokep_web> How good is their whitelist? :-D
16:44:16 <clokep_web> (I.e. google.com.foo.whatever?)
16:44:18 <JakeSays> it appears to be very good
16:44:49 <clokep_web> I literally could not do my job with that stipulation. :(
16:44:59 <clokep_web> So what's your plan then? :)
16:45:24 <JakeSays> well, i'm thinking websockets
16:47:54 <clokep_web> Hm. If they have to do a DNS request, it still won't work?
16:48:17 <clokep_web> Maybe an IM protocol over DNS? ;)
16:48:22 <JakeSays> lol
16:48:42 <JakeSays> i *should* be able to open a websocket over port 80
16:48:45 <clokep_web> That'd be a fun weekend project.
16:48:49 <JakeSays> but not sure yet
16:49:10 <JakeSays> worse case i'll do long polling 
16:49:22 <JakeSays> just need to get a client i can easily hack on
16:49:34 <Mook_as> Stick it over SSL on port 443, don't actually speak HTTP?
16:49:58 <clokep_web> I still don't see the plan to get paste the whitelisted sites...
16:50:05 <clokep_web> Unless you're going to just use an IP.
16:50:06 <Mook_as> (Depends on if they insist on MITMing the SSL, of course)
16:50:23 <Mook_as> clokep_web: As I read it, the whitelist is only needed for non-80/443 traffic?
16:50:30 <JakeSays> Mook_as: correct
16:50:36 <clokep_web> Ahhh...I misunderstood then.
16:50:48 <clokep_web> My bad. :)
16:51:01 <clokep_web> In that case, please don't make an IM-over-DNS protocol. ;)
16:51:06 <Mook_as> That was my initial interpretation too, I just had to read it a few more times :p
16:51:30 <JakeSays> yeah they block outbound ports other than 80/443
16:51:38 <JakeSays> unless you're whitelisted
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16:52:09 <Mook_as> Yeah, definitely consider SSL + port 443 + whatever you're currently using (assuming it's TCP, not UDP)
16:52:37 <Mook_as> Unless you want to work on your own thing just for fun, anyway :p
16:52:41 <clokep_web> (And hope they don't check for HTTP traffic?)
16:53:11 <JakeSays> Mook_as: its about 53% fun
16:53:25 <Mook_as> They'd need to MITM your SSL traffic to check... which they might, yeah.
16:54:15 <Mook_as> And yeah, a _practical_ solution isn't nearly as fun :p
16:54:33 <JakeSays> their it guy said for the most part as long as its not porn they really dont care what the traffic is
16:55:21 <JakeSays> Mook_as: we're using a practical solution until i get this working
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16:56:27 <clokep_web> JakeSays: Well...regardless, did you get stuff building yet?
16:56:46 <JakeSays> clokep_web: yes. your last thing is building. :)
16:56:55 <JakeSays> about 15 minutes left
16:57:08 <clokep_web> Psh...slow build. ;)
16:57:13 <JakeSays> yup
16:57:16 <JakeSays> no ssd :(
17:00:18 <clokep_web> JakeSays: Theoretically you could just do an extension too and not have to mess w/ builds.
17:00:35 <JakeSays> that was my plan
17:00:44 <JakeSays> but i always try to build from source
17:00:49 <JakeSays> helps me understand things better
17:01:17 <clokep_web> Makes sense.
17:01:29 <clokep_web> I hvae a feeling you're going to be like the 10th person in the past 3 months to ask me about making protocols. :-\
17:01:32 <clokep_web> I should really document that shit.
17:01:42 <JakeSays> lol yes you should
17:01:45 <JakeSays> before i ask :D
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17:07:22 <clokep_web> Yeah...it's on my perpetual TODO list.
17:07:28 <clokep_web> Part of it is I don't even know where to put it...
17:12:06 <JakeSays> clokep_web: heh. all kinds of protocols now, including xmpp
17:13:00 * clokep_web wrote (most of) the IRC code that Instantbird/Thunderbird uses.
17:13:37 <JakeSays> bah. now i'm getting SSL handshake failed when trying to connect
17:13:55 <clokep_web> Is it self-signed?
17:14:06 <JakeSays> yeah
17:14:10 <clokep_web> You'll need to add an exception then. :)
17:14:27 <clokep_web> (If you still have that pref cleared out there should be a thing you can click right below the error)
17:14:31 <clokep_web> It's blue on blue though so...
17:14:34 <clokep_web> Yeah, I don't design UI...
17:14:43 * clokep_web blames flo-retina  for actually giving him an r+ on that. ;)
17:14:55 * flo-retina will r- all the things!
17:15:32 <JakeSays> no clicky thing
17:16:10 <JakeSays> the forcePurple is back to prpl-jabber
17:16:26 <clokep_web> Yeah, then you're using the libpurple implementation...
17:16:36 <clokep_web> Tools > Prefs > Advanced > Certificates
17:16:39 <clokep_web> Import your cert / CA.
17:17:36 <JakeSays> i'm not even sure where the cert is
17:17:40 <JakeSays> i'm using openfire
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17:19:03 <clokep_web> JakeSays: Under the "servers" tab...there's a button that says "Add Exception..."
17:19:13 <clokep_web> Click that and type in the URL you're connecting to
17:19:15 <Archaeopteryx> hi, would be nice if someone can set the correct milestone for https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=1146121
17:19:17 <instantbot> Bug 1146121 min, --, ---, a.ahmed1026, RESO FIXED, Handle remote-server-not-found room join errors
17:19:33 <clokep_web> Archaeopteryx: Yeah it would, but we hvae no idea what the milestone is.
17:20:12 <Archaeopteryx> so i didn't mess anything up
17:20:48 <clokep_web> Archaeopteryx: So 1.6 is TB 38 (but some people have marked some stuff from TB 39 into it too)
17:20:55 <clokep_web> But there's no milestone for what the 'next' noe will be.
17:21:05 <clokep_web> I'd like to just use Gecko milestones, but there's disagreement amongst the team of what to use.
17:21:14 <Archaeopteryx> that's what i assumed and i didn't know if you uplift stuff
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17:21:45 <clokep_web> Archaeopteryx: Hopefully we'll figure it out "soon" and I have it on my TODO list to go and fix milestones.
17:21:55 <clokep_web> Thanks for checking it in though! :)
17:22:19 <Archaeopteryx> np
17:22:34 <Archaeopteryx> you also managed checkin-needed in the past
17:22:59 <clokep_web> Yeah. I haven't been following the tree recently, unfortunately. :(
17:23:29 <clokep_web> JakeSays: Did that work?
17:24:00 <JakeSays> clokep_web: i just disabled ssl for now
17:24:13 <JakeSays> not sure how to get certs into/outof openfire
17:25:06 <clokep_web> Alright.
17:25:11 <clokep_web> I can't help much with that, unfortunately.
17:25:37 <JakeSays> yeah. not a big deal
17:25:44 <JakeSays> but its working :)
17:25:46 <JakeSays> thanks for your help!
17:27:18 <jkister> is there any feature or addon that lets old messages appear when you open a new chat window to a contact you have history with?  I found https://groups.google.com/forum/#!topic/instantbird-bugs/i-U4HdGTHeo but there's no activity on it since late 2013.
17:27:22 <JakeSays> honestly, i really dont like xmpp. 
17:29:10 <clokep_web> Me neither.
17:29:37 <JakeSays> any suggestions for a different im server?
17:29:46 <JakeSays> server/protocol
17:29:49 <clokep_web> jkister: That bug now lives at bug 954392
17:29:51 <instantbot> Bug https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=954392 enh, --, ---, benediktp, ASSI, Show last messages (history) in new chat windows
17:30:05 <clokep_web> And...benedikt hasn't been seen in a while.
17:30:10 <clokep_web> I know nhnt11 was interested in this feature though.
17:30:25 <clokep_web> JakeSays: Not really, no. Especially not for one-on-one chatting.
17:30:32 <clokep_web> I don't know much about server software.
17:30:54 <JakeSays> hmm. i may just invent my own then
17:31:05 <JakeSays> which means i'll be needing that protocol documentation :D
17:31:34 <JakeSays> or you could just point me to a decent place in the instantbird source tree to look
17:32:27 <JakeSays> redis pub/sub would be perfect for this
17:32:40 <JakeSays> given that i need to support all of two users
17:32:43 <clokep_web> It could be interesting, yeah. Facebook does something like that.
17:32:51 <clokep_web> In a few minutes, busy.
17:33:17 <clokep_web> (Generally look under chat/component/public/*.idl for things that begin with prpl, start at prplIProtocol -> prplIAccount)
17:33:25 <clokep_web> chat/protocols/* has our current stuff.
17:49:08 <clokep_web> JakeSays: There's also https://wiki.instantbird.org/Instantbird:Protocols_reference, but that's a bit out of date (I think)
17:49:19 <clokep_web> And doesn't really give any conceptual <whatever> about what you need to do.
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18:42:03 <JakeSays> clokep_web: it doesnt give me what?
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18:55:49 <clokep_web> JakeSays: About whwat needs to be imeplemented.
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18:56:48 <JakeSays> ah
18:57:00 <JakeSays> well i'll just step through some code then
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