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01:15:13 <clokep_work> New push: https://treeherder.mozilla.org/#/jobs?repo=try-comm-central&revision=4ab82d3c4f64
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03:49:03 <instant-buildbot> build #1640 of win32-nightly-default is complete: Failure [4failed hg_1]  Build details are at http://buildbot.instantbird.org/builders/win32-nightly-default/builds/1640
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11:51:33 <clokep> Hmm...the mac build failed...trying to link in sipe which wasn't built? :-S
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13:09:10 <clokep_work> flo-retina: I gotta question about purplexpcom when you get a chance.
13:09:36 <clokep_work> (Well more of a build failure on try...I'm trying to disable SIPE completely and it seems to be trying to link it statically? So I'm confused...)
13:13:49 <clokep_work> The Mac OS X build from https://treeherder.mozilla.org/#/jobs?repo=try-comm-central&revision=4ab82d3c4f64 or the second Windows build has a log.
13:13:52 <clokep_work> I can reproduce locally...
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13:40:54 <aleth> clokep_work: is anything disabling http://hg.mozilla.org/users/florian_queze.net/purple/file/18e35a43ad30/configure.in#l229 ?
13:41:19 <clokep_work> aleth: AH! You're right. :)
13:41:21 <clokep_work> Good catch.
13:41:32 * clokep_work knew he was forgetting something stupid.
13:41:49 <clokep_work> Easiest thing to do is probably just comment those lines out?
13:41:54 <aleth> yeah.
13:42:29 <aleth> unless you want to add a --disable-sipe (more work)
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13:47:50 <clokep_work> We should likely add it, for the future.
13:47:53 <clokep_work> But not at the moment.
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13:53:28 <clokep_work> aleth: Thanks! :-D
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14:12:33 <hadi> hey guys, nightlys are not up for windows64 right?
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14:18:48 <clokep_work> hadi: Firefox doesn't officially support Windows 64 yet to my knowledge.
14:18:52 <clokep_work> So we don't.
14:19:05 <hadi> oh so you mean i installed instantbird 32bit?
14:19:08 <hadi> some years ago
14:19:11 <hadi> :D
14:20:57 <clokep_work> There is only Instantbird 32-bit for Windows.
14:20:58 <clokep_work> Yes.
14:21:05 <clokep_work> It shouldn't matter much anyawy.
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14:34:20 <hadi> yeah so i'm going to download a new nightly, It was  months ago since i installed one
14:36:47 <clokep_work> It should update automatically. :-S
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14:47:20 <hadi> clokep_work:  oh will it? how can i check if it does?
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14:53:57 <clokep_work> hadi: Tools > Check for updates
14:54:07 <clokep_work> Tools > About should get you the build information.
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14:55:48 <hadi> clokep_work:  awesome, updating
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14:56:12 <clokep_work> It should check automatically daily.
14:56:57 <hadi> There was a button called "apply downloaded update" i did that, it restarted, then when i checked for an update it showed me the latest one
14:57:41 <clokep_work> Yeah it happens sometimes if you have an update pending and don't restart for a day.
14:57:49 <clokep_work> aleth: https://treeherder.mozilla.org/#/jobs?repo=try-comm-central&revision=5abf3ee373ff
14:59:18 * clokep_work has a good feeling about this one.
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15:34:08 <clokep_work> I assume it's good that none of my try builds have failed? :-D
15:35:33 <flo-retina> :)
15:37:07 <clokep_work> They were asking about OTR in the meeting on Tuesday btw...
15:37:14 <clokep_work> (Hard to believe that was 3 days ago. (o_O))
15:37:26 <clokep_work> Can we add (o_O) as an emoticon just for when I say it? :P
15:38:47 <flo-retina> I'm always surprised it isn't one
15:39:00 <flo-retina> o_O and O_o were both included in the previous emoticon theme
15:39:21 <flo-retina> I mean, idechix's previous emoticon theme
15:39:26 <flo-retina> which was targetting Gaim
15:39:46 <flo-retina> and he was frustrated because Gaim never managed to handle correctly unicode inside emoticons :-D
15:41:04 <clokep_work> :)
15:41:15 <clokep_work> I think that means "if you make emoticons, we'll include them" :P
15:42:10 <flo-retina> no
15:42:24 <flo-retina> I think we would have a hard time reviewing them
15:42:33 <flo-retina> I know idechix crafter the current icons very carefully
15:42:46 <flo-retina> they are SVG-based, and then pixel-polished
15:42:55 <flo-retina> *crafted
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15:48:12 <clokep_work> Ah, OK. :)
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17:34:23 <clokep_work> Green, green, green, green! :)
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18:18:10 <clokep_work> \o/
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18:32:48 <clokep_work> arlolra: I was asked on Tuesday at the Thunderbird status meeting what the status of OTR is..
18:33:28 <clokep_work> Any updates? ):
18:33:30 <clokep_work> :)
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18:35:59 <arlolra> clokep_work: i've been incrementally improving the UI. recently added the notification bar nudge to verify a contact that aleth suggested.
18:36:29 <arlolra> but i think for a while now the process has been stalled on review
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18:37:24 <arlolra> clokep_work: have you made any progress here https://bitbucket.org/clokep/comm-central-patches/src/83d5268aa63c4138c9bc7b1b90ed5ef84ed87f4a/otr-libs?at=default
18:38:34 <arlolra> clokep_work: i responded to your feedback https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=954310#c25
18:38:36 <instantbot> Bug 954310 enh, --, ---, arlolra, NEW, Add support for OTR and encrypted chats.
18:38:36 <arlolra> as well
18:39:40 <arlolra> hopefully we can make some good progress next week with flo-retina in valencia
18:42:29 <clokep_work> arlolra: I had no idea you were stuck on reviews. :-\ Sorry.
18:42:39 <clokep_work> I haven't looked at the OTR libs stuff again.
18:42:41 <clokep_work> It was incredibly frustrating.
18:43:02 <clokep_work> I haven't had a chance to respond to your comment.
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18:43:51 <arlolra> well, not stuck. i've been making UI progress. but the overall upstreaming is ...
18:45:42 <clokep_work> arlolra: I thought we were going to have conversations about the UI?
18:45:50 <clokep_work> I should probably try playing w/ it again at some point. :-[
18:45:54 <clokep_work> I updated from git recently.
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18:46:41 <arlolra> well, i started that email thread that mostly ended up just being aleth and i discussing. you said that he covered most of what you had to say. i'm happy to continue though
18:46:59 <arlolra> flo and i will be discussing this upcoming week
18:47:47 <arlolra> clokep_work: trying it out again would be helpful (opening tickets even more so)
18:50:28 <clokep_work> Right you'll see flo next week. :)
18:51:31 * arlolra is ashamed
18:51:58 <arlolra> i can't be there in person. hoping to still use the time effectively though
18:53:39 <clokep_work> arlolra: So there's a notification box at the top of the conversation window.
18:53:51 <clokep_work> I think using that for authentication notifications would work nicer than the modal dialog.
18:55:00 <arlolra> hmm
18:55:33 <arlolra> clokep_work: would that be same as in https://github.com/arlolra/ctypes-otr/issues/19
18:56:13 <arlolra> https://github.com/arlolra/ctypes-otr/blob/master/bootstrap.js#L277
18:58:50 <clokep_work> Why's it closed? :P
18:59:49 <arlolra> oh, ok you didn't see that
18:59:56 <arlolra> let me explain
19:00:18 <arlolra> that notification only happens the first time you see a fingerprint
19:00:47 <arlolra> i guess we've had an otr chat before and my fingerprint was in your otr.fingerprints in your profile dir
19:00:58 <arlolra> (or did you see the nudge to verify?)
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19:01:30 <arlolra> i closed it because that ticket was to use the notification bar to encourage people to verify their contact (which is done)
19:01:51 <arlolra> you're asking to also use the notification bar for the actual verifying part (which is another issue)
19:03:14 <arlolra> if you want to try it. rm ~/.instantbird/profile/otr.fingerprints and then reload and try to start another session with me
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19:05:32 <clokep_work> "see the nudge to verify" I don't understand it.
19:06:07 <clokep_work> I'm saying we should never use modal dialogues.
19:06:43 <arlolra> there used to be a system message that said "hey, this is a new contact, you should verify them" aleth suggested i use the notification box for that instead. so that's what i did
19:06:55 <clokep_work> OK.
19:07:31 <clokep_work> https://github.com/arlolra/ctypes-otr/issues/30
19:08:11 <arlolra> i know everyone hates modals. i just wanted to start somewhere to iterate on and i didn't know about the notification box. using the modals just helped me prepare all the otr related code. we can swap how that's displayed now
19:08:48 <clokep_work> Yep! :)
19:08:51 <clokep_work> I understand why you did it.
19:08:56 <clokep_work> Now I'm suggesting a way to improve it. ;)
19:09:02 <arlolra> k
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19:21:33 <clokep_work> I think I need flo-retina's help w/ building the library at this point...
19:21:34 <flo-retina> clokep_work: do you remember the status of packaging libotr?
19:21:56 <clokep_work> flo-retina: There's a patch at https://bitbucket.org/clokep/comm-central-patches/src/83d5268aa63c4138c9bc7b1b90ed5ef84ed87f4a/otr-libs?at=default which starts building the first library.
19:22:12 <clokep_work> I think it's libgpg-error or something?
19:24:12 <clokep_work> That's one of like 3 pre-reqs before even getting to libotr.
19:24:31 <clokep_work> There's a few places in that libraries build system that it builds an executable in order to build another header file. (WTF)
19:25:15 <flo-retina> what are the other dependencies?
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19:26:52 <clokep_work> One sec
19:28:12 <flo-retina> I guess I should take my thinkpad with me if we need to figure out how to build stuff
19:28:17 <clokep_work> To compile the OTR library and toolkit, you'll need at least:
19:28:17 <clokep_work>  - libgpg-error 1.0  [ftp://ftp.gnupg.org/gcrypt/libgpg-error/]
19:28:17 <clokep_work>  - libgcrypt 1.2.0   [ftp://ftp.gnupg.org/gcrypt/libgcrypt/]
19:28:46 <clokep_work> Probably can use system version on Linux?
19:31:13 <arlolra> it probably isn't too useful but we're doing it here https://gitweb.torproject.org/tor-messenger-build.git/
19:31:42 <flo-retina> https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=347431 had a promising title, but is disappointing :(
19:32:48 <arlolra> flo-retina: boklm (Nicolas Vigier) will be in Valencia and can probably be of help with building
19:34:21 <flo-retina> that libgcrypt dependency is annoying :(
19:34:45 <clokep_work> Is it difficult in someway?
19:34:50 <clokep_work> Btw the "at least" in that sentence scares me. :-\
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20:05:27 <clokep_work> aleth: I filed https://github.com/arlolra/ctypes-otr/issues/31 from our conversation we just had.
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20:30:02 <Defman> hey
20:30:59 <Defman> Can I turn down the volume of notifies? (Such as new message in a room)
20:31:18 <Defman> Because now it's too loud for me
20:34:21 * aleth opened two more issues
20:39:55 <clokep_work> I don't think so.
20:40:39 <Defman> Okay
20:40:47 <Defman> how can I change the notice sound?
20:41:00 <aleth> With an add-on
20:41:17 <aleth> https://addons.instantbird.org/en-US/instantbird/search?q=sound&cat=all
20:41:17 <Defman> Is it works with 1.6?
20:41:32 <aleth> Sure
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20:41:47 <aleth> If you want to pick your own sounds, you'll have to modify one of those addons.
20:42:16 <Defman> Will look in this, thx.
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20:56:08 <clokep_work> Our sounds are kind of...meh. :(
20:56:20 * aleth has them off
20:56:41 <Defman> meh?
20:56:52 * aleth turns them on
20:57:03 <Defman> I'm love these sounds but they are too loud for me.
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21:00:06 <clokep_work> They're too jarring.
21:00:09 <clokep_work> I have them off on this machine.
21:00:13 <clokep_work> My other laptop they're turned on.
21:00:49 <Mook_as> Defman: you're on... linux?
21:01:00 <Defman> Yes I am.
21:01:17 <Mook_as> I think pulseaudio these days support per-application volume controls; that might help
21:01:51 <Defman> ohh, nevermind about pulseaudio on Elementary OS
21:02:50 <Mook_as> Ah. If you're not using a thing that has pulse, then no, that wouldn't help :p
21:04:32 <Defman> Elementary uses pulseaudio
21:04:40 <Defman> It's built-in daemon
21:05:39 <Defman> So Skype uses it for playing a voice from my friends and capture my voice (I just checked it)
21:06:21 <Defman> But I can change the volume of Instantbird only if Instantbird playing some sound.
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21:08:37 <Defman> Ehh
21:08:44 <aleth> You could try that "Widders Sounds" addon, it claims to be less obtrusive
21:08:50 <Defman> Forgot
21:09:08 <Defman> Just realized that is not loud.
21:12:33 <clokep_work> Turn your speakers down? ;)
21:12:47 <aleth> Instantbird sounds go to 11.
21:13:17 <Fallen> I wish laptops could vibrate
21:13:30 <Fallen> I don't like sounds, but sometimes I still want notifications
21:14:00 <Defman> clokep_work: it's not a good idea due to I watching some videos while chatting in IRC.
21:14:42 <Defman> So just make system volume to 100% instead of 146%.
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21:31:01 <abdelrhman> aleth, Are you here ?
21:31:35 <aleth> yes
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21:35:06 <abdelrhman> I want to ask about SoC project. I have read about XMPP. Can you suggest next thing for me?
21:36:10 <aleth> Look at the open XMPP bugs for a start?
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21:37:05 <abdelrhman> Does it has specific keyword/category?
21:37:32 <aleth> https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/buglist.cgi?quicksearch=xmpp&product=Chat%20Core&product=Instantbird&product=Instantbird%20Servers&list_id=12047793
21:37:42 <abdelrhman> Thanks :)
21:38:14 <aleth> There's also a lot of things that haven't been filed. I'd recommend picking something that you care about (more motivating!).
21:40:44 <aleth> abdelrhman: If you pick an XMPP bug, make sure you take a look at the corresponding XMPP spec before fixing it!
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21:46:21 <aleth> abdelrhman: If you need more info about some bug or finding specs, feel free to ask.
21:49:44 <abdelrhman> ok :)
22:04:49 <aleth> abdelrhman: Another useful thing to do would be to use Instantbird. For example, you can compare IRC chatrooms and XMPP chatrooms, and you will quickly discover there are features that work for IRC and are missing for XMPP.
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22:18:04 <clokep_work> abdelrhman: You have to enable using the JavaScript XMPP implementation if you use a straight XMPP account and not GTalk, however.
22:18:53 <aleth> clokep_work: right! I totally forgot about that.
22:19:08 * aleth enabled it a long time ago...
22:19:24 <clokep_work> Uhh...is there a way to download different operating systems on AMO?
22:19:44 * clokep_work only sees Mac for https://addons.mozilla.org/EN-uS/thunderbird/addon/additional-chat-protocols/
22:20:45 <abdelrhman> currently, I don't have XMPP account.
22:21:38 <aleth> abdelrhman: you'll need to get one ;)
22:22:11 <aleth> https://list.jabber.at/
22:22:58 <aleth> or even better, https://xmpp.net/directory.php
22:24:29 <flo-retina> clokep_work: do you really need the file from AMO?
22:24:40 <clokep_work> flo-retina: Do we have them somewhere else? :)
22:24:42 <flo-retina> http://ftp.instantbird.com/instantbird/thunderbird-addon/
22:24:50 <clokep_work> Ah that's totally linked somewhere isn't it?
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22:25:52 <flo-retina> from https://wiki.mozilla.org/User:Florian/building_purplexpcom_for_Thunderbird apparently
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22:28:08 <clokep_work> Yeah.
22:28:08 <clokep_work> Thanks.
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22:43:32 <arlolra> aleth, clokep: were you both using the latest git commit during that exchange?
22:43:43 <arlolra> or, rather, was clokep
22:44:06 <arlolra> cause aleth obviously wasn't using the extension at all
22:44:21 <aleth> intentionally so
22:44:32 <clokep> arlolra: Yes.
22:44:47 <clokep> git fetch is empty.
22:45:34 <arlolra> ok, i'll try and debug that now
22:45:45 <arlolra> thanks for reporting
22:46:25 <clokep> No problem.
22:46:41 <clokep> arlolra: So we started a conversation. I hit "start private conversation" and then even if I closed and reopened the conversation, etc.
22:46:45 <clokep> It kept ending up as encrypted.
22:47:07 <arlolra> yup, gotcha
22:48:30 <aleth> only it was sending both encrypted and non-encypted ;)
22:50:07 <clokep> Uh oh. :-S
22:50:13 <clokep> This doesn't seem to have purplexpcom.dll in it?
22:50:56 <arlolra> clokep: do you have "require encryption" set in the extension settings?
22:51:01 <clokep> arlolra: No.
22:51:03 <arlolra> k
22:51:09 <arlolra> thakns
22:52:54 <clokep> UGH.
22:52:55 <clokep> I'm dumb.
22:53:23 <clokep> Wait, no...hm...that shold be defined
22:56:28 <arlolra> ?
22:56:36 <arlolra> aleth: hopefully that makes sense https://github.com/arlolra/ctypes-otr/issues/32#issuecomment-76488574
22:58:14 <clokep> arlolra: FWIW we exchanged a few unencrypted messages first.
22:58:32 <clokep> aleth: Any ideas what (lib)purplexpcom.(so|dll|dylib) isn't being packaged?
22:59:03 <clokep> It's inside of a MOZ_PURPLE flag.
22:59:12 <clokep> But I *think* that shold be defined, but I'm unsure how to check that.
22:59:17 <clokep> I guess I should try to package locally...
22:59:24 <arlolra> clokep: yeah, and OTR didn't recognized that and didn't initiate right? they stayed plaintext. it's only when you explicitly tried to start a private conversation that things went unexpected
22:59:31 <clokep> Yes.
23:00:23 <arlolra> so that's the intended behaviour except for the last part where you sent encrypted messages, that shouldn't have happened
23:00:25 <aleth> arlolra: the impression I got is that it seemed to almost work ;)
23:00:42 <arlolra> thanks :)
23:00:52 <clokep> aleth: So it's a "best effort" type thing with the ?OTR stuff at the front.
23:00:55 <clokep> That's expected.
23:01:11 <aleth> Fair enough. I just like to ask whether something can be polished ;)
23:01:24 <clokep> Maybe.
23:04:03 <clokep> If so, I think it's a separate issue.
23:07:02 <clokep> Bah. I didn't propagate a variable far enough.
23:07:05 <clokep> So nothing got packaged. :-\
23:07:08 * clokep tries again.
23:09:26 <aleth> arlolra: btw feel free to close issues I file as "wontfix" or "invalid" if they don't make sense ;)
23:10:49 <arlolra> k
23:10:55 <arlolra> pretty sure #32 is invalid
23:11:18 <arlolra> #33 is helpful but covered by open issues
23:11:29 <arlolra> working on #31
23:16:44 <arlolra> clokep: what version of instantbird are you using?
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23:17:00 <clokep> arlolra: Nightly.
23:17:33 <arlolra> nightly like last night nightly. or some older custom build
23:17:47 <arlolra> we're trying to reproduce the encrypted comms you saw and failing to find them
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23:21:07 <arlolra> clokep: i think we hit it
23:21:16 <arlolra> in the conversation you guys were having
23:21:25 <arlolra> aleth pasted the query message to you
23:21:41 <arlolra> your client picked that up and started the handshake
23:21:52 <clokep> Oh haahahaha.
23:21:54 <clokep> Yes, he did. :)
23:22:23 <clokep> arlolra: Is that supposed to persist after a conv is closed though? :-S
23:22:29 <clokep> That seems surprising.
23:23:38 <arlolra> no, it's cause aleth was pasting the whitespace tags
23:24:01 <arlolra> every time he sent either the query message or the tags, it initiate OTR which sends some encrypted messages
23:24:09 <arlolra> go back and read the transcript to see it play out :)
23:24:17 <clokep> Alright. :)
23:24:25 <clokep> So...don't do that? haha.
23:24:26 <arlolra> too funny
23:24:32 <clokep> Sorry for the noise. :(
23:24:39 <clokep> Should we...avoid that somehow?
23:24:52 <arlolra> not sure there's any avoiding it
23:25:54 <clokep_work> aleth, flo-retina: https://wiki.mozilla.org/User:Florian/building_purplexpcom_for_Thunderbird#For_Thunderbird_38 has what I've done so far.
23:27:31 <abdelrhman> aleth: I see that XMPP is shared with Thunderbird.  Are we going to work on XMPP  only from Instantbird scope?
23:28:32 <clokep> abdelrhman: It's shared. :)
23:28:38 <aleth> abdelrhman: It doesn't matter what you use, the backend code is shared.
23:28:40 <clokep> So you don't need to do anything to have it work in both.
23:28:56 <clokep_work> Theoretically.
23:29:03 * clokep smacks clokep_work
23:29:11 <aleth> As long as you don't need to add any UI ;)
23:30:38 <clokep> Yep! :)
23:31:45 <aleth> Actually working from IB is much easier, because you have debug log tabs!
23:32:12 <clokep> And it's faster to build.
23:35:40 <clokep_work> I should just bite the bullet at some point.
23:36:03 <clokep_work> And actually add the packaging stuff to purplexpcom.
23:36:06 <clokep_work> So we don't have to deal w/ that aprt.
23:36:37 <aleth> clokep: thanks for taking care of that addon!
23:38:38 <clokep> Don't thank me until it's done.
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