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So I'm confused...) 13:13:49 <clokep_work> The Mac OS X build from https://treeherder.mozilla.org/#/jobs?repo=try-comm-central&revision=4ab82d3c4f64 or the second Windows build has a log. 13:13:52 <clokep_work> I can reproduce locally... 13:22:22 --> aleth has joined #instantbird 13:22:23 * ChanServ sets mode +o aleth 13:26:25 * clokep_work wonders if aleth has an idea about ^ too 13:27:02 --> bernard has joined #instantbird 13:40:04 --> mpmc has joined #instantbird 13:40:54 <aleth> clokep_work: is anything disabling http://hg.mozilla.org/users/florian_queze.net/purple/file/18e35a43ad30/configure.in#l229 ? 13:41:19 <clokep_work> aleth: AH! You're right. :) 13:41:21 <clokep_work> Good catch. 13:41:32 * clokep_work knew he was forgetting something stupid. 13:41:49 <clokep_work> Easiest thing to do is probably just comment those lines out? 13:41:54 <aleth> yeah. 13:42:29 <aleth> unless you want to add a --disable-sipe (more work) 13:44:50 <-- Mnyromyr has quit (Connection closed) 13:47:50 <clokep_work> We should likely add it, for the future. 13:47:53 <clokep_work> But not at the moment. 13:48:05 --> mconley has joined #instantbird 13:53:28 <clokep_work> aleth: Thanks! :-D 13:55:50 <-- bogdan_maris has quit (A TLS packet with unexpected length was received.) 14:03:16 * Fallen is now known as Fallen|away 14:07:09 --> BillBinkley has joined #instantbird 14:10:35 <-- bernard has quit (Ping timeout: 121 seconds) 14:12:33 <hadi> hey guys, nightlys are not up for windows64 right? 14:13:19 <-- mconley has quit (Connection closed) 14:18:48 <clokep_work> hadi: Firefox doesn't officially support Windows 64 yet to my knowledge. 14:18:52 <clokep_work> So we don't. 14:19:05 <hadi> oh so you mean i installed instantbird 32bit? 14:19:08 <hadi> some years ago 14:19:11 <hadi> :D 14:20:57 <clokep_work> There is only Instantbird 32-bit for Windows. 14:20:58 <clokep_work> Yes. 14:21:05 <clokep_work> It shouldn't matter much anyawy. 14:25:12 <-- aleth has quit (Ping timeout: 121 seconds) 14:34:20 <hadi> yeah so i'm going to download a new nightly, It was months ago since i installed one 14:36:47 <clokep_work> It should update automatically. :-S 14:38:02 --> bernard has joined #instantbird 14:47:05 <-- bernard has quit (Ping timeout: 121 seconds) 14:47:20 <hadi> clokep_work: oh will it? how can i check if it does? 14:48:55 --> AlexanderSalas has joined #instantbird 14:50:33 --> bernard has joined #instantbird 14:53:21 --> aleth has joined #instantbird 14:53:22 * ChanServ sets mode +o aleth 14:53:57 <clokep_work> hadi: Tools > Check for updates 14:54:07 <clokep_work> Tools > About should get you the build information. 14:54:45 <-- hadi has quit (Quit: Instantbird 1.6a1pre -- http://www.instantbird.com) 14:54:50 --> hadi has joined #instantbird 14:55:48 <hadi> clokep_work: awesome, updating 14:55:53 <-- aleth has quit (Quit: :tiuQ) 14:55:57 --> aleth has joined #instantbird 14:55:58 * ChanServ sets mode +o aleth 14:56:12 <clokep_work> It should check automatically daily. 14:56:57 <hadi> There was a button called "apply downloaded update" i did that, it restarted, then when i checked for an update it showed me the latest one 14:57:41 <clokep_work> Yeah it happens sometimes if you have an update pending and don't restart for a day. 14:57:49 <clokep_work> aleth: https://treeherder.mozilla.org/#/jobs?repo=try-comm-central&revision=5abf3ee373ff 14:59:18 * clokep_work has a good feeling about this one. 15:01:30 <-- bernard has quit (Quit: Leaving.) 15:11:42 --> mconley has joined #instantbird 15:25:07 --> bernard has joined #instantbird 15:34:08 <clokep_work> I assume it's good that none of my try builds have failed? :-D 15:35:33 <flo-retina> :) 15:37:07 <clokep_work> They were asking about OTR in the meeting on Tuesday btw... 15:37:14 <clokep_work> (Hard to believe that was 3 days ago. (o_O)) 15:37:26 <clokep_work> Can we add (o_O) as an emoticon just for when I say it? :P 15:38:47 <flo-retina> I'm always surprised it isn't one 15:39:00 <flo-retina> o_O and O_o were both included in the previous emoticon theme 15:39:21 <flo-retina> I mean, idechix's previous emoticon theme 15:39:26 <flo-retina> which was targetting Gaim 15:39:46 <flo-retina> and he was frustrated because Gaim never managed to handle correctly unicode inside emoticons :-D 15:41:04 <clokep_work> :) 15:41:15 <clokep_work> I think that means "if you make emoticons, we'll include them" :P 15:42:10 <flo-retina> no 15:42:24 <flo-retina> I think we would have a hard time reviewing them 15:42:33 <flo-retina> I know idechix crafter the current icons very carefully 15:42:46 <flo-retina> they are SVG-based, and then pixel-polished 15:42:55 <flo-retina> *crafted 15:43:34 --> myk has joined #instantbird 15:48:12 <clokep_work> Ah, OK. :) 15:56:03 <-- bernard has quit (Quit: Leaving.) 15:56:04 --> bernard has joined #instantbird 16:14:42 <-- Tonnes has quit (Connection closed) 16:15:35 --> Tonnes has joined #instantbird 16:31:05 <-- gerard-majax has quit (Ping timeout: 121 seconds) 16:36:15 <-- aleth has quit (Ping timeout: 121 seconds) 16:37:07 --> aleth has joined #instantbird 16:37:08 * ChanServ sets mode +o aleth 16:38:11 --> Mnyromyr has joined #instantbird 16:44:02 <-- myk has quit (Ping timeout: 121 seconds) 16:45:46 <-- BillBinkley has quit (Ping timeout: 121 seconds) 16:46:54 --> BillBinkley has joined #instantbird 16:51:50 --> bernard1 has joined #instantbird 16:53:06 <-- bernard has quit (Ping timeout: 121 seconds) 16:55:51 --> Bollebib has joined #instantbird 17:00:33 --> mudpit has joined #instantbird 17:01:21 --> myk has joined #instantbird 17:06:09 --> gerard-majax has joined #instantbird 17:25:31 <-- aleth has quit (Ping timeout: 121 seconds) 17:25:53 <-- gerard-majax has quit (Ping timeout: 121 seconds) 17:29:34 --> gerard-majax has joined #instantbird 17:33:14 --> Mook_as has joined #instantbird 17:34:23 <clokep_work> Green, green, green, green! :) 17:36:22 --> aleth has joined #instantbird 17:36:23 * ChanServ sets mode +o aleth 17:40:24 <-- aleth has quit (Ping timeout: 121 seconds) 17:40:33 <-- hadi has quit (Connection closed) 17:40:39 --> hadi has joined #instantbird 17:41:16 --> aleth has joined #instantbird 17:41:17 * ChanServ sets mode +o aleth 17:41:26 --> arlolra has joined #instantbird 17:49:40 <-- gerard-majax has quit (Ping timeout: 121 seconds) 17:52:40 --> Nazadel has joined #instantbird 17:54:04 <-- bernard1 has quit (Connection closed) 17:56:46 --> Defman has joined #instantbird 17:57:34 --> bernard has joined #instantbird 17:57:37 <-- bernard has quit (Quit: Leaving.) 17:57:38 --> bernard has joined #instantbird 17:59:10 <-- Tonnes has quit (Connection closed) 18:00:14 --> gerard-majax has joined #instantbird 18:00:16 --> Tonnes has joined #instantbird 18:09:49 <-- mudpit has quit (Ping timeout: 121 seconds) 18:12:01 --> mudpit has joined #instantbird 18:18:10 <clokep_work> \o/ 18:27:12 <-- bernard has quit (Quit: Leaving.) 18:32:48 <clokep_work> arlolra: I was asked on Tuesday at the Thunderbird status meeting what the status of OTR is.. 18:33:28 <clokep_work> Any updates? ): 18:33:30 <clokep_work> :) 18:34:53 <-- gerard-majax has quit (Ping timeout: 121 seconds) 18:35:59 <arlolra> clokep_work: i've been incrementally improving the UI. recently added the notification bar nudge to verify a contact that aleth suggested. 18:36:29 <arlolra> but i think for a while now the process has been stalled on review 18:36:56 <-- Nazadel has quit (Quit: Bye) 18:37:00 --> Nazadel has joined #instantbird 18:37:24 <arlolra> clokep_work: have you made any progress here https://bitbucket.org/clokep/comm-central-patches/src/83d5268aa63c4138c9bc7b1b90ed5ef84ed87f4a/otr-libs?at=default 18:38:34 <arlolra> clokep_work: i responded to your feedback https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=954310#c25 18:38:36 <instantbot> Bug 954310 enh, --, ---, arlolra, NEW, Add support for OTR and encrypted chats. 18:38:36 <arlolra> as well 18:39:40 <arlolra> hopefully we can make some good progress next week with flo-retina in valencia 18:42:29 <clokep_work> arlolra: I had no idea you were stuck on reviews. :-\ Sorry. 18:42:39 <clokep_work> I haven't looked at the OTR libs stuff again. 18:42:41 <clokep_work> It was incredibly frustrating. 18:43:02 <clokep_work> I haven't had a chance to respond to your comment. 18:43:29 <-- aleth has quit (Ping timeout: 121 seconds) 18:43:51 <arlolra> well, not stuck. i've been making UI progress. but the overall upstreaming is ... 18:45:42 <clokep_work> arlolra: I thought we were going to have conversations about the UI? 18:45:50 <clokep_work> I should probably try playing w/ it again at some point. :-[ 18:45:54 <clokep_work> I updated from git recently. 18:46:09 <-- mudpit has quit (Ping timeout: 121 seconds) 18:46:41 <arlolra> well, i started that email thread that mostly ended up just being aleth and i discussing. you said that he covered most of what you had to say. i'm happy to continue though 18:46:59 <arlolra> flo and i will be discussing this upcoming week 18:47:47 <arlolra> clokep_work: trying it out again would be helpful (opening tickets even more so) 18:50:28 <clokep_work> Right you'll see flo next week. :) 18:51:31 * arlolra is ashamed 18:51:58 <arlolra> i can't be there in person. hoping to still use the time effectively though 18:53:39 <clokep_work> arlolra: So there's a notification box at the top of the conversation window. 18:53:51 <clokep_work> I think using that for authentication notifications would work nicer than the modal dialog. 18:55:00 <arlolra> hmm 18:55:33 <arlolra> clokep_work: would that be same as in https://github.com/arlolra/ctypes-otr/issues/19 18:56:13 <arlolra> https://github.com/arlolra/ctypes-otr/blob/master/bootstrap.js#L277 18:58:50 <clokep_work> Why's it closed? :P 18:59:49 <arlolra> oh, ok you didn't see that 18:59:56 <arlolra> let me explain 19:00:18 <arlolra> that notification only happens the first time you see a fingerprint 19:00:47 <arlolra> i guess we've had an otr chat before and my fingerprint was in your otr.fingerprints in your profile dir 19:00:58 <arlolra> (or did you see the nudge to verify?) 19:01:04 <-- hadi has quit (Quit: Instantbird 1.6a1pre -- http://www.instantbird.com) 19:01:30 <arlolra> i closed it because that ticket was to use the notification bar to encourage people to verify their contact (which is done) 19:01:51 <arlolra> you're asking to also use the notification bar for the actual verifying part (which is another issue) 19:03:14 <arlolra> if you want to try it. rm ~/.instantbird/profile/otr.fingerprints and then reload and try to start another session with me 19:05:29 --> gerard-majax has joined #instantbird 19:05:32 <clokep_work> "see the nudge to verify" I don't understand it. 19:06:07 <clokep_work> I'm saying we should never use modal dialogues. 19:06:43 <arlolra> there used to be a system message that said "hey, this is a new contact, you should verify them" aleth suggested i use the notification box for that instead. so that's what i did 19:06:55 <clokep_work> OK. 19:07:31 <clokep_work> https://github.com/arlolra/ctypes-otr/issues/30 19:08:11 <arlolra> i know everyone hates modals. i just wanted to start somewhere to iterate on and i didn't know about the notification box. using the modals just helped me prepare all the otr related code. we can swap how that's displayed now 19:08:48 <clokep_work> Yep! :) 19:08:51 <clokep_work> I understand why you did it. 19:08:56 <clokep_work> Now I'm suggesting a way to improve it. ;) 19:09:02 <arlolra> k 19:13:34 <-- gerard-majax has quit (Ping timeout: 121 seconds) 19:16:14 <-- AlexanderSalas has quit (Quit: Instantbird 1.5 -- http://www.instantbird.com) 19:19:35 --> mudpit has joined #instantbird 19:21:33 <clokep_work> I think I need flo-retina's help w/ building the library at this point... 19:21:34 <flo-retina> clokep_work: do you remember the status of packaging libotr? 19:21:56 <clokep_work> flo-retina: There's a patch at https://bitbucket.org/clokep/comm-central-patches/src/83d5268aa63c4138c9bc7b1b90ed5ef84ed87f4a/otr-libs?at=default which starts building the first library. 19:22:12 <clokep_work> I think it's libgpg-error or something? 19:24:12 <clokep_work> That's one of like 3 pre-reqs before even getting to libotr. 19:24:31 <clokep_work> There's a few places in that libraries build system that it builds an executable in order to build another header file. (WTF) 19:25:15 <flo-retina> what are the other dependencies? 19:25:38 <-- mudpit has quit (Ping timeout: 121 seconds) 19:26:52 <clokep_work> One sec 19:28:12 <flo-retina> I guess I should take my thinkpad with me if we need to figure out how to build stuff 19:28:17 <clokep_work> To compile the OTR library and toolkit, you'll need at least: 19:28:17 <clokep_work> - libgpg-error 1.0 [ftp://ftp.gnupg.org/gcrypt/libgpg-error/] 19:28:17 <clokep_work> - libgcrypt 1.2.0 [ftp://ftp.gnupg.org/gcrypt/libgcrypt/] 19:28:46 <clokep_work> Probably can use system version on Linux? 19:31:13 <arlolra> it probably isn't too useful but we're doing it here https://gitweb.torproject.org/tor-messenger-build.git/ 19:31:42 <flo-retina> https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=347431 had a promising title, but is disappointing :( 19:32:48 <arlolra> flo-retina: boklm (Nicolas Vigier) will be in Valencia and can probably be of help with building 19:34:21 <flo-retina> that libgcrypt dependency is annoying :( 19:34:45 <clokep_work> Is it difficult in someway? 19:34:50 <clokep_work> Btw the "at least" in that sentence scares me. :-\ 19:35:59 --> aleth has joined #instantbird 19:36:00 * ChanServ sets mode +o aleth 19:37:51 --> nhnt11 has joined #instantbird 19:37:51 * ChanServ sets mode +h nhnt11 19:38:38 --> mudpit has joined #instantbird 19:39:55 <-- mpmc has quit (Quit: Instantbird 1.6a1pre -- http://www.instantbird.com) 19:41:29 <-- arlolra has quit (Client exited) 19:43:01 --> gerard-majax has joined #instantbird 19:59:37 --> DGMurdockIII has joined #instantbird 20:00:11 <-- nhnt11 has quit (Ping timeout: 121 seconds) 20:05:27 <clokep_work> aleth: I filed https://github.com/arlolra/ctypes-otr/issues/31 from our conversation we just had. 20:11:31 * Fallen|away is now known as Fallen 20:17:00 --> harshit has joined #instantbird 20:30:02 <Defman> hey 20:30:59 <Defman> Can I turn down the volume of notifies? (Such as new message in a room) 20:31:18 <Defman> Because now it's too loud for me 20:34:21 * aleth opened two more issues 20:39:55 <clokep_work> I don't think so. 20:40:39 <Defman> Okay 20:40:47 <Defman> how can I change the notice sound? 20:41:00 <aleth> With an add-on 20:41:17 <aleth> https://addons.instantbird.org/en-US/instantbird/search?q=sound&cat=all 20:41:17 <Defman> Is it works with 1.6? 20:41:32 <aleth> Sure 20:41:43 <-- myk has quit (Quit: Instantbird 1.6a1pre -- http://www.instantbird.com) 20:41:45 --> myk has joined #instantbird 20:41:47 <aleth> If you want to pick your own sounds, you'll have to modify one of those addons. 20:42:16 <Defman> Will look in this, thx. 20:43:24 <-- gerard-majax has quit (Ping timeout: 121 seconds) 20:50:19 --> dgmurdock has joined #instantbird 20:52:42 <-- harshit has quit (Quit: Leaving) 20:56:08 <clokep_work> Our sounds are kind of...meh. :( 20:56:20 * aleth has them off 20:56:41 <Defman> meh? 20:56:52 * aleth turns them on 20:57:03 <Defman> I'm love these sounds but they are too loud for me. 20:58:00 <-- myk has quit (Ping timeout: 121 seconds) 20:58:23 --> myk has joined #instantbird 21:00:06 <clokep_work> They're too jarring. 21:00:09 <clokep_work> I have them off on this machine. 21:00:13 <clokep_work> My other laptop they're turned on. 21:00:49 <Mook_as> Defman: you're on... linux? 21:01:00 <Defman> Yes I am. 21:01:17 <Mook_as> I think pulseaudio these days support per-application volume controls; that might help 21:01:51 <Defman> ohh, nevermind about pulseaudio on Elementary OS 21:02:50 <Mook_as> Ah. If you're not using a thing that has pulse, then no, that wouldn't help :p 21:04:32 <Defman> Elementary uses pulseaudio 21:04:40 <Defman> It's built-in daemon 21:05:39 <Defman> So Skype uses it for playing a voice from my friends and capture my voice (I just checked it) 21:06:21 <Defman> But I can change the volume of Instantbird only if Instantbird playing some sound. 21:07:57 <-- aleth has quit (Quit: :tiuQ) 21:08:05 --> aleth has joined #instantbird 21:08:06 * ChanServ sets mode +o aleth 21:08:37 <Defman> Ehh 21:08:44 <aleth> You could try that "Widders Sounds" addon, it claims to be less obtrusive 21:08:50 <Defman> Forgot 21:09:08 <Defman> Just realized that is not loud. 21:12:33 <clokep_work> Turn your speakers down? ;) 21:12:47 <aleth> Instantbird sounds go to 11. 21:13:17 <Fallen> I wish laptops could vibrate 21:13:30 <Fallen> I don't like sounds, but sometimes I still want notifications 21:14:00 <Defman> clokep_work: it's not a good idea due to I watching some videos while chatting in IRC. 21:14:42 <Defman> So just make system volume to 100% instead of 146%. 21:16:37 <-- clokep_work has quit (Ping timeout: 121 seconds) 21:19:08 <-- Nazadel has quit (Connection closed) 21:19:12 --> Nazadel has joined #instantbird 21:29:23 --> abdelrhman has joined #instantbird 21:30:19 --> bernard has joined #instantbird 21:30:24 --> bernard1 has joined #instantbird 21:30:34 <-- bernard1 has quit (Quit: Leaving.) 21:30:34 --> bernard1 has joined #instantbird 21:31:01 <abdelrhman> aleth, Are you here ? 21:31:35 <aleth> yes 21:34:21 <-- bernard has quit (Ping timeout: 121 seconds) 21:35:06 <abdelrhman> I want to ask about SoC project. I have read about XMPP. Can you suggest next thing for me? 21:36:10 <aleth> Look at the open XMPP bugs for a start? 21:36:33 * Fallen is now known as Fallen|away 21:37:05 <abdelrhman> Does it has specific keyword/category? 21:37:32 <aleth> https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/buglist.cgi?quicksearch=xmpp&product=Chat%20Core&product=Instantbird&product=Instantbird%20Servers&list_id=12047793 21:37:42 <abdelrhman> Thanks :) 21:38:14 <aleth> There's also a lot of things that haven't been filed. I'd recommend picking something that you care about (more motivating!). 21:40:44 <aleth> abdelrhman: If you pick an XMPP bug, make sure you take a look at the corresponding XMPP spec before fixing it! 21:43:12 <-- bernard1 has quit (Quit: Leaving.) 21:46:21 <aleth> abdelrhman: If you need more info about some bug or finding specs, feel free to ask. 21:49:44 <abdelrhman> ok :) 22:04:49 <aleth> abdelrhman: Another useful thing to do would be to use Instantbird. For example, you can compare IRC chatrooms and XMPP chatrooms, and you will quickly discover there are features that work for IRC and are missing for XMPP. 22:08:57 <-- BillBinkley has quit (Quit: Instantbird 1.5 -- http://www.instantbird.com) 22:09:33 <-- Defman has quit (A TLS packet with unexpected length was received.) 22:09:55 --> EionRobb has joined #instantbird 22:10:32 <-- Mnyromyr has quit (Ping timeout: 121 seconds) 22:11:38 --> Mnyromyr has joined #instantbird 22:14:22 --> clokep has joined #instantbird 22:14:22 * ChanServ sets mode +o clokep 22:15:53 --> clokep_work has joined #instantbird 22:15:53 * ChanServ sets mode +o clokep_work 22:18:04 <clokep_work> abdelrhman: You have to enable using the JavaScript XMPP implementation if you use a straight XMPP account and not GTalk, however. 22:18:53 <aleth> clokep_work: right! I totally forgot about that. 22:19:08 * aleth enabled it a long time ago... 22:19:24 <clokep_work> Uhh...is there a way to download different operating systems on AMO? 22:19:44 * clokep_work only sees Mac for https://addons.mozilla.org/EN-uS/thunderbird/addon/additional-chat-protocols/ 22:20:45 <abdelrhman> currently, I don't have XMPP account. 22:21:38 <aleth> abdelrhman: you'll need to get one ;) 22:22:11 <aleth> https://list.jabber.at/ 22:22:58 <aleth> or even better, https://xmpp.net/directory.php 22:24:29 <flo-retina> clokep_work: do you really need the file from AMO? 22:24:40 <clokep_work> flo-retina: Do we have them somewhere else? :) 22:24:42 <flo-retina> http://ftp.instantbird.com/instantbird/thunderbird-addon/ 22:24:50 <clokep_work> Ah that's totally linked somewhere isn't it? 22:25:45 <-- Mnyromyr has quit (Ping timeout: 121 seconds) 22:25:52 <flo-retina> from https://wiki.mozilla.org/User:Florian/building_purplexpcom_for_Thunderbird apparently 22:26:15 --> AlexanderSalas has joined #instantbird 22:26:35 --> Mnyromyr has joined #instantbird 22:28:08 <clokep_work> Yeah. 22:28:08 <clokep_work> Thanks. 22:42:45 --> arlolra has joined #instantbird 22:43:32 <arlolra> aleth, clokep: were you both using the latest git commit during that exchange? 22:43:43 <arlolra> or, rather, was clokep 22:44:06 <arlolra> cause aleth obviously wasn't using the extension at all 22:44:21 <aleth> intentionally so 22:44:32 <clokep> arlolra: Yes. 22:44:47 <clokep> git fetch is empty. 22:45:34 <arlolra> ok, i'll try and debug that now 22:45:45 <arlolra> thanks for reporting 22:46:25 <clokep> No problem. 22:46:41 <clokep> arlolra: So we started a conversation. I hit "start private conversation" and then even if I closed and reopened the conversation, etc. 22:46:45 <clokep> It kept ending up as encrypted. 22:47:07 <arlolra> yup, gotcha 22:48:30 <aleth> only it was sending both encrypted and non-encypted ;) 22:50:07 <clokep> Uh oh. :-S 22:50:13 <clokep> This doesn't seem to have purplexpcom.dll in it? 22:50:56 <arlolra> clokep: do you have "require encryption" set in the extension settings? 22:51:01 <clokep> arlolra: No. 22:51:03 <arlolra> k 22:51:09 <arlolra> thakns 22:52:54 <clokep> UGH. 22:52:55 <clokep> I'm dumb. 22:53:23 <clokep> Wait, no...hm...that shold be defined 22:56:28 <arlolra> ? 22:56:36 <arlolra> aleth: hopefully that makes sense https://github.com/arlolra/ctypes-otr/issues/32#issuecomment-76488574 22:58:14 <clokep> arlolra: FWIW we exchanged a few unencrypted messages first. 22:58:32 <clokep> aleth: Any ideas what (lib)purplexpcom.(so|dll|dylib) isn't being packaged? 22:59:03 <clokep> It's inside of a MOZ_PURPLE flag. 22:59:12 <clokep> But I *think* that shold be defined, but I'm unsure how to check that. 22:59:17 <clokep> I guess I should try to package locally... 22:59:24 <arlolra> clokep: yeah, and OTR didn't recognized that and didn't initiate right? they stayed plaintext. it's only when you explicitly tried to start a private conversation that things went unexpected 22:59:31 <clokep> Yes. 23:00:23 <arlolra> so that's the intended behaviour except for the last part where you sent encrypted messages, that shouldn't have happened 23:00:25 <aleth> arlolra: the impression I got is that it seemed to almost work ;) 23:00:42 <arlolra> thanks :) 23:00:52 <clokep> aleth: So it's a "best effort" type thing with the ?OTR stuff at the front. 23:00:55 <clokep> That's expected. 23:01:11 <aleth> Fair enough. I just like to ask whether something can be polished ;) 23:01:24 <clokep> Maybe. 23:04:03 <clokep> If so, I think it's a separate issue. 23:07:02 <clokep> Bah. I didn't propagate a variable far enough. 23:07:05 <clokep> So nothing got packaged. :-\ 23:07:08 * clokep tries again. 23:09:26 <aleth> arlolra: btw feel free to close issues I file as "wontfix" or "invalid" if they don't make sense ;) 23:10:49 <arlolra> k 23:10:55 <arlolra> pretty sure #32 is invalid 23:11:18 <arlolra> #33 is helpful but covered by open issues 23:11:29 <arlolra> working on #31 23:16:44 <arlolra> clokep: what version of instantbird are you using? 23:16:51 <-- AlexanderSalas has quit (Quit: Instantbird 1.5 -- http://www.instantbird.com) 23:17:00 <clokep> arlolra: Nightly. 23:17:33 <arlolra> nightly like last night nightly. or some older custom build 23:17:47 <arlolra> we're trying to reproduce the encrypted comms you saw and failing to find them 23:18:21 <-- mudpit has quit (Ping timeout: 121 seconds) 23:20:35 <-- spz has quit (Quit: Instantbird 1.5 -- http://www.instantbird.com) 23:21:07 <arlolra> clokep: i think we hit it 23:21:16 <arlolra> in the conversation you guys were having 23:21:25 <arlolra> aleth pasted the query message to you 23:21:41 <arlolra> your client picked that up and started the handshake 23:21:52 <clokep> Oh haahahaha. 23:21:54 <clokep> Yes, he did. :) 23:22:23 <clokep> arlolra: Is that supposed to persist after a conv is closed though? :-S 23:22:29 <clokep> That seems surprising. 23:23:38 <arlolra> no, it's cause aleth was pasting the whitespace tags 23:24:01 <arlolra> every time he sent either the query message or the tags, it initiate OTR which sends some encrypted messages 23:24:09 <arlolra> go back and read the transcript to see it play out :) 23:24:17 <clokep> Alright. :) 23:24:25 <clokep> So...don't do that? haha. 23:24:26 <arlolra> too funny 23:24:32 <clokep> Sorry for the noise. :( 23:24:39 <clokep> Should we...avoid that somehow? 23:24:52 <arlolra> not sure there's any avoiding it 23:25:54 <clokep_work> aleth, flo-retina: https://wiki.mozilla.org/User:Florian/building_purplexpcom_for_Thunderbird#For_Thunderbird_38 has what I've done so far. 23:27:31 <abdelrhman> aleth: I see that XMPP is shared with Thunderbird. Are we going to work on XMPP only from Instantbird scope? 23:28:32 <clokep> abdelrhman: It's shared. :) 23:28:38 <aleth> abdelrhman: It doesn't matter what you use, the backend code is shared. 23:28:40 <clokep> So you don't need to do anything to have it work in both. 23:28:56 <clokep_work> Theoretically. 23:29:03 * clokep smacks clokep_work 23:29:11 <aleth> As long as you don't need to add any UI ;) 23:30:38 <clokep> Yep! :) 23:31:45 <aleth> Actually working from IB is much easier, because you have debug log tabs! 23:32:12 <clokep> And it's faster to build. 23:35:40 <clokep_work> I should just bite the bullet at some point. 23:36:03 <clokep_work> And actually add the packaging stuff to purplexpcom. 23:36:06 <clokep_work> So we don't have to deal w/ that aprt. 23:36:37 <aleth> clokep: thanks for taking care of that addon! 23:38:38 <clokep> Don't thank me until it's done. 23:42:22 --> mudpit has joined #instantbird 23:52:09 <-- chrisccoulson has quit (Quit: OSError: [Errno 130] Owner died)