#instantbird log on 02 26 2015

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00:08:34 <nhnt11> Seems like the cache isn't getting saved :S
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00:17:39 <nhnt11> flo-retina, aleth: Have there been any changes to setTimeout recently?
00:18:05 <flo-retina> no
00:18:11 <nhnt11> Here's scheduleCacheSave from before I came along: https://hg.mozilla.org/comm-central/annotate/8a50d60dd7a0/mail/components/im/modules/index_im.js#l247
00:18:31 <nhnt11> Seems like cacheSaveTimer is never deleted, so _saveCacheNow is only ever called once.
00:19:35 <flo-retina> that seems quite obviously broken
00:19:39 * nhnt11 can't even say for sure that this is where the problem is coming from
00:19:40 <flo-retina> that's a regression, right?
00:20:01 <nhnt11> flo-retina: The code I pointed you to is from before async logs
00:20:02 <aleth> That looks like it was aleays broken since TB IM landed?
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00:20:13 <flo-retina> :-S
00:20:25 * nhnt11 is very very confused by gloda
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00:20:32 <aleth> bug 714733
00:20:35 <instantbot> Bug https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=714733 enh, --, Thunderbird 13.0, florian, RESO FIXED, Instant messaging in Thunderbird
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00:21:36 <aleth> Unless it's only meant to save it once for some reason? Don't know what reason that would be though.
00:21:44 <nhnt11> aleth: I can reproduce bug 113588 on my Tb stable build
00:21:46 <instantbot> Bug https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=113588 nor, --, ---, nobody, NEW, when a popup appears under the mouse, onmouseover isn't dispatched
00:21:54 <nhnt11> sorry, bug 1135588
00:21:56 <instantbot> Bug https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=1135588 nor, --, ---, nobody, NEW, New conversations get indexed twice by gloda, leading to duplicate search results
00:22:11 <nhnt11> (Tb 31.2.0)
00:22:18 <aleth> nhnt11: Certainly doesn't look like it's reset anywhere else.
00:22:25 <nhnt11> It's not.
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00:22:40 <aleth> Hopefully that's the fix then!
00:22:46 <nhnt11> aleth: Can you please confirm that this is indeed causing the bug? I really have to go now.
00:22:54 <nhnt11> Or we can postpone it a bit more I guess
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00:23:26 * aleth checks if he has to clobber (if yes, I'm off to bed)
00:24:55 <nhnt11> aleth: I'd also appreciate it if you can quickly confirm it's reproducible on the current release.
00:25:42 <aleth> That's 31.4, pretty much identical to 31.2
00:25:46 <aleth> 31.5 I mean
00:26:20 <nhnt11> yeah, I mainly wanted confirmation that I'm not getting a false positive because of some issue with my profile
00:26:25 <aleth> ah
00:26:32 <nhnt11> I meant whatever pre-async-logs build you have lying around :)
00:33:09 <aleth> TB 31.4 has the sessionstart bug (shame that didn't get uplifted)
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00:35:52 <aleth> nhnt11: I can reproduce on TB 31.5, but only if the chat account is set to automatically connect on startup
00:39:22 <aleth> nhnt11: Yes, it seems to fix the bug.
00:40:05 <aleth> Whoops, no it doesn't.
00:40:43 <aleth> *Now* it seems to index again on each restart...
00:41:44 <aleth> or something.
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00:49:56 <aleth> nhnt11: ah, it probably also needs a shutdown handler
00:50:11 <aleth> at least that's one guess...
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01:07:35 <clokep> Umm....I was totally about to do something productive.
01:07:41 <clokep> And now forgot.
01:08:55 <clokep> Hmm...I seem to have comm-release and comm-central checked out.
01:09:00 <clokep> And not that much more room on my hard drive.
01:09:03 <clokep> But I want comm-beta.
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04:44:12 <instant-buildbot> build #1639 of win32-nightly-default is complete: Success [3build successful]  Build details are at http://buildbot.instantbird.org/builders/win32-nightly-default/builds/1639
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07:28:59 <nhnt11> O
07:29:02 <nhnt11> Sorry^
07:29:15 <nhnt11> I've jotted down some ideas for a WhatsApp Web prpl for Ib: https://etherpad.mozilla.org/whatsappweb-ib
07:29:21 <nhnt11> Feedback would be appreciated :)
07:29:41 <nhnt11> I'm assuming this is going to be an add-on
07:29:52 <nhnt11> since logging is likely not going to be possible, and so on
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07:30:09 <nhnt11> but if it's nice enough maybe we can land it, idk. That'd be up to you guys.
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10:23:00 <flo-retina> nhnt11: how difficult would it be to extract the messages from the web page, and display them in a normal conversation / log them normally?
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10:23:44 <nhnt11> flo-retina: Too difficult for me to bother trying with the time I've got in the near future :(
10:23:50 <nhnt11> Well maybe not
10:23:58 <nhnt11> But the problem is it could change at any moment
10:24:00 <nhnt11> without notice
10:24:34 <nhnt11> by "it" I mean the way WhatsApp displays stuff
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10:26:30 <flo-retina> I assume it's not a nice JSON protocol we could just use, and the whole JS of the page may need to be loaded, so I was thinking we could maybe load the page in a hidden iframe, and scrap the messages using querySelector
10:26:44 <flo-retina> possibly detect new messages using DOM mutation events
10:27:42 <nhnt11> Yeah, it's all possible but you can't guarantee that it won't break without warning
10:27:48 <nhnt11> :(
10:28:28 <nhnt11> It's definitely something to try, but I think the way I've suggested is worth doing first
10:28:38 <flo-retina> for an add-on, sure
10:28:39 <nhnt11> There'll be little to no "redundant" work for it
10:28:42 <nhnt11> yeah
10:29:03 <flo-retina> "you can't guarantee that it won't break without warning" I'm afraid that applies to all networks we support
10:29:26 <flo-retina> it's just more or less likely to happen depending on how documented/reverse engineered the stuff we use is.
10:30:28 <nhnt11> I disagree, I think the chance of WhatsApp changing is much higher than the others
10:30:42 <nhnt11> Facebook's XMPP API is documented and guaranteed to work until the deadline
10:30:48 <nhnt11> Similar for GTalk
10:30:50 <flo-retina> I think that's what I said.
10:30:57 <nhnt11> yeah but
10:30:59 <flo-retina> nhnt11: except Gtalk is currently broken
10:31:00 <nhnt11> Yahoo for example
10:31:09 <nhnt11> reverse engineered, but probably won't break
10:31:17 <nhnt11> because it's a stable protocol that's been around for ages
10:31:35 <flo-retina> you could say the same thing about MSN then
10:31:43 <nhnt11> WhatsApp web currently hooks to the phone and does some magic there
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10:32:08 <flo-retina> whatsapp is just meh :(
10:32:19 <nhnt11> A "true" WhatsApp client would be useless IMO because it's not the same as on your phone (different accounts)
10:32:23 <flo-retina> do they still require full access to one's addressbook to create an account?
10:32:24 <nhnt11> Yeah, I agree
10:32:27 <nhnt11> Yes.
10:32:37 <flo-retina> so there's no way I can create an account.
10:34:03 <nhnt11> flo-retina: Have you read this btw? https://www.whatsapp.com/faq/en/general/20971813
10:34:41 <nhnt11> Afaik WhatsApp doesn't actually /store/ any phone numbers.
10:34:53 <flo-retina> it seems pretty inaccurate
10:35:01 <flo-retina> as that data has already been sold to Facebook
10:35:47 <nhnt11> flo-retina: I'm rather sure whatsapp doesn't store any messages in the cloud
10:35:58 <flo-retina> have you read the source code?
10:36:21 <nhnt11> nope, but this is what they claim, and also it seems, why whatsapp web is so hacky
10:36:27 <nhnt11> But maybe my info is wrong
10:36:35 <flo-retina> they are owned by facebook
10:36:55 * nhnt11 isn't on WhatsApp's side or anything, but for the sake of argument..
10:37:10 <flo-retina> facebook won't delete any info about you, ever. And "info" includes at which time you logged in, which post you looked at, etc... each single day since you created your account.
10:38:24 <nhnt11> flo-retina: https://www.facebook.com/help/224562897555674
10:38:52 <nhnt11> They say "you will not be able to retrieve blabla". I get that this doesn't mean they deleted everything on their side
10:38:57 <nhnt11> but still..
10:39:31 <flo-retina> right
10:39:47 <flo-retina> deleting on facebook is adding a flag saying "the user doesn't want to see this anymore"
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10:48:45 <flo-retina> hmm, shouldn't you be switched back to nhnt11 immediately now? :-S
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10:50:34 <flo-retina> hmm, I guess that explains it then
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11:37:38 <clokep> nhnt11: I have some ideas there that we can discuss if you want...
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13:46:28 <qheaden> Hello all.
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13:50:25 <deOmega> hello
13:52:43 <clokep_work> Good morning.
13:53:47 <deOmega> I don't mean to be offensive, but I am pleasantle surprised to see the subtle changes that have been implemented in  the latest nightlies.  For a while there, i was concerned that the project was fading.   Seeing the subtle changes at least restores some hope.
13:54:36 <deOmega> I do realize that you guys spend a lot of time on bugs, and that should not go unappreciated.  But sadly, that was my impression.
13:56:32 <clokep_work> deOmega: I don't know why you'd think the product was fading...if you were running 1.5 you of course wouldn't see any changes.
14:08:24 <deOmega> blog updates, and no email alerts on updates on bugs that seemed at one point important.  I had run the nightlies in the somewhat recent past but observed no changes.
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14:09:30 <deOmega> anyway,  whatever the reason was, I got that impression.   Obviously ignorance.
14:10:46 <clokep_work> We've had fairly steady commits for the past year or so. :)
14:10:53 <clokep_work> Probably slowed down a bit over Christmas.
14:11:02 <clokep_work> Ahh...we didn't have Windows updates for a while, maybe that's why.
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14:37:08 <nhnt11> Hi
14:37:20 <nhnt11> clokep_work: I'd love to hear your ideas
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14:44:33 <clokep_work> nhnt11: Mostly that I agree with Florian, a lot of our protocols could "break" tomorrow and we're screwed.
14:44:38 <clokep_work> So it's not different in that sense.
14:47:37 <clokep_work> And adding listeners on an open DOM or doing the protocol doesn't really make much difference in my mind.
14:47:44 <clokep_work> But doing it in such a way that it's integrated would be nice.
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14:49:06 <nhnt11> clokep_work: I currently don't want to do either.
14:49:15 <nhnt11> I just want it to open in a tab in Ib rather than Fx
14:49:26 <nhnt11> So that I have all my IM stuff in one place
14:49:31 <nhnt11> and the notifications come from Ib
14:50:15 <clokep_work> How do you plan to hook the notifications up?
14:50:16 <nhnt11> And once that's ready, integration...
14:50:23 <nhnt11> clokep_work: We'd probably get it for free
14:50:30 <nhnt11> Through the gecko notifications API
14:50:58 <nhnt11> I mean, it already pops up notifications in Fx
14:51:02 <nhnt11> so it should do that in Ib too
14:53:41 <clokep_work> nhnt11: So the webpage does notifications you mean?
14:53:44 <clokep_work> That should work, yes.
14:55:23 <nhnt11> yes
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14:59:42 <clokep_work> Cool.
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15:10:33 <nhnt11> Ah, WhatsApp Web is now officially compatible with Fx :)
15:13:35 <clokep_work> Wasn't it ridiculous that it didn't in the first place?
15:14:25 <nhnt11> Isn't it common nowadays to release half baked software asap and then land incrementals every 3 hours?
15:14:35 <clokep_work> It shouldn't be.
15:14:45 * nhnt11 wishes it wasn't
15:15:00 <nhnt11> I'm sick of getting updates on the play store every day with no mention of what's new...
15:15:02 <nhnt11> off topic
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15:33:38 <clokep_work> Yes, that's annoying too.
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16:16:13 <nhnt11> The new about:config page looks nice!
16:18:07 <nhnt11> I've got whatsapp web in a tab
16:18:13 <nhnt11> But it's stuck with a loading icon
16:18:15 <nhnt11> :(
16:18:58 <nhnt11> http://pastebin.mozilla.org/8823452 :S
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16:21:09 <nhnt11> I'm going to need some help with this
16:21:15 <nhnt11> Right now though, time to sleep :)
16:21:18 <nhnt11> good night
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16:23:22 <clokep_work> (o_O)
16:23:24 <clokep_work> That's random.
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16:31:55 <nhnt11> btw, to spoof firefox I just flipped |general.useragent.compatMode.firefox|
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21:37:23 * aleth wonders if this would be a convenient time to build the additional prpls addon
21:38:56 <aleth> or is it better to wait until 38 is in c-r?
21:39:47 <clokep> aleth: I pushed code for that yesterday.
21:40:30 <aleth> clokep++ :-)
21:41:05 <clokep> aleth: My build failed and I don't understand the things the people told me to do abou tit.
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21:43:02 <clokep> aleth: https://treeherder.mozilla.org/#/jobs?repo=try-comm-central&revision=e64a576dfc00
21:43:08 <aleth> check-sync-dirs.py | not in sync?
21:43:11 <clokep> Yes.
21:43:23 <clokep> Apparently it's cause I modified the build configs.
21:43:24 <aleth> Usually means something needs porting.
21:43:31 <clokep> And when I asked what I needed to do...no one answered me.
21:43:49 <clokep> I might push again by *not* modifying the configs.
21:43:54 <clokep> And just manually disabling stuff.
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21:44:39 <aleth> ah, you're touching the default mozconfig?
21:45:00 <clokep> Yes?
21:45:05 <clokep> I don't know what those patches do anymore. :P
21:45:43 * aleth doesn't have a clear idea of why that would cause an error
21:45:56 <clokep> Apparently cuase the builod config is different than m-cs.
21:46:02 <clokep> That's vaguely what ewong/jcranmer said earlier.
21:46:30 <clokep> I can find the logs if you'd like.
21:47:46 <clokep> aleth: http://logs.glob.uno/?c=mozilla%23maildev&s=26+Feb+2015&e=26+Feb+2015#c194032 and http://logs.glob.uno/?c=mozilla%23maildev&s=26+Feb+2015&e=26+Feb+2015#c194070
21:47:51 <clokep> If you have ideas I'd love to hear them.
21:48:22 * aleth is looking at the patches
21:48:32 <aleth> why this? https://hg.mozilla.org/try-comm-central/rev/52140013373e
21:49:17 <aleth> are you sure the files in this diff has the right paths? https://hg.mozilla.org/try-comm-central/rev/260972a76167
21:49:37 <clokep> aleth: Yes.
21:49:56 <clokep> aleth: The first one is so the file isn't too big and the upload happens? flo-retina suggested it at some point.
21:54:58 <aleth> clokep: try sticking the mozconfig changes in a fresh mozconfig in the root dir of c-c?
21:55:21 <clokep> Hmm...maybe.
21:55:31 <clokep> But don't the mozconfigs used on buildbot set up a bunch of stuff?
21:56:29 <aleth> Don't they both get evaluated?
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21:56:56 <clokep> I don't know.
21:56:57 <clokep> Maybe.
21:56:58 * aleth isn't sure 
21:57:59 <aleth> But yeah, that's what seems to be causing the error https://dxr.mozilla.org/comm-central/source/mail/Makefile.in#15
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23:37:02 <clokep> http://ismsndeadyet.com/ updated to "MOSTLY"
23:38:11 <clokep> Can I just kill the MSN code at this point? :-\
23:39:52 <flo-retina> do we use msnp18?
23:40:23 <clokep> Pidgin is crossed out on the right.
23:41:12 <flo-retina> ok
23:41:28 <flo-retina> I guess we can decide than when we'll be closer to releasing
23:41:32 <flo-retina> (that = removing the code)
23:41:56 <clokep> Right.
23:42:04 <clokep> So since you brought up release...
23:42:39 <flo-retina> we said 38, didn't we?
23:43:17 <clokep> Yes. :)
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