#instantbird log on 01 16 2015

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00:09:03 <aleth> We don't have a clue about how to get a clue
00:09:29 <aleth> clokep: If you like the latest version I can land it so it's fixed tomorrow
00:09:44 <clokep> aleth: I need fooodddd.
00:09:47 <clokep> I'll check it soon. :)
00:10:03 <aleth> sure!
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00:42:36 <clokep_work> aleth: Just nits, thanks. :)
00:57:55 <clokep> aleth: Ping me if you put a new version up, my email doesn't like to update sometimes.
01:01:30 <clokep> flo-retina: I wonder if https://groups.google.com/d/msg/mozilla.governance/5605yDGkZWE/WzVpyeBsppAJ is helpful to us, re: https://dxr.mozilla.org/comm-central/source/im/app/profile/all-instantbird.js#264
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01:08:55 <flo-retina> clokep: I don't see how the crash reporter memory handling and the cookie pref relate
01:10:10 <clokep_work> flo-retina: "I'm not sure which you're referring to in regards to client complexity,
01:10:10 <clokep_work> but note that Firefox OS ended up adding "mozAnon" to XMLHttpRequest to
01:10:10 <clokep_work> allow requests to avoid sending cookies/auth headers.  "
01:10:25 <clokep_work> But I guess that's not an XMLHttpRequest, it's an actual browser elements....
01:11:41 <flo-retina> clokep_work: ah, now I see that
01:11:56 <clokep_work> Sorry, should have given more context.
01:11:58 <flo-retina> interestingly the first time I clicked your link a different post of the thread was selected
01:12:03 <clokep_work> Oh boo. :(
01:12:18 <clokep_work> I hate Google Groups. I checked that it opened the right one on my screen but there was probably some saved state...
01:12:39 <flo-retina> it showed the one right above
01:12:51 <flo-retina> KaiRo's "But nothing is sent from it without a dialog asking you.[...]"
01:17:39 <clokep_work> Alright.
01:19:32 <flo-retina> clokep_work: but yes you are correct, we need a real browser for the oauth prompt
01:19:43 <Mook_as> FWIW, that's on gmane, which has much better behaviour. http://thread.gmane.org/gmane.comp.mozilla.governance/2482/focus=2488
01:19:46 <clokep_work> Yeah, sorry. I was being dumb. :-\
01:19:58 <clokep_work> Mook_as: I'll keep that in mind, thanks. :)
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04:23:49 <instant-buildbot> build #1291 of linux-nightly-default is complete: Failure [4failed compile]  Build details are at http://buildbot.instantbird.org/builders/linux-nightly-default/builds/1291
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04:42:23 <instant-buildbot> build #1602 of win32-nightly-default is complete: Success [3build successful]  Build details are at http://buildbot.instantbird.org/builders/win32-nightly-default/builds/1602
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05:05:49 <instant-buildbot> build #2495 of macosx-nightly-default is complete: Success [3build successful]  Build details are at http://buildbot.instantbird.org/builders/macosx-nightly-default/builds/2495
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06:34:53 <instant-buildbot> build #187 of linux64-nightly-default is complete: Failure [4failed compile]  Build details are at http://buildbot.instantbird.org/builders/linux64-nightly-default/builds/187
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11:34:43 <clokep> aleth: http://feedproxy.google.com/~r/HackingForChrist/~3/TOpayXm1S4Q/
11:38:48 * clokep commented.
11:40:57 <clokep> Oh boo there was an email chain about this...
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13:36:42 <instantbot> New Chat Core - XMPP bug 1122514 filed by florian@queze.net.
13:36:43 <instantbot> Bug https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=1122514 nor, --, ---, nobody, NEW, 'LoadInfo arguments must be undefined' errors from xmpp-xml.jsm
13:37:11 <flo-retina> I know we discussed this, but I don't think we filed it
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13:39:05 <clokep_work> I really wish we had a contact on the Google Talk team. :-\
13:39:46 <clokep_work> Has anyone tried installing 1.5 and seeing if this is an issue?
13:43:26 <clokep_work> What's the link to that site that has the mozilla necko error codes?
13:49:12 <flo-retina> I assume you are talking about the "not being able to reconnect" thing?
13:49:50 <flo-retina> I'm not fully sure a "Google Talk team" still exists
13:55:06 <clokep_work> Yeah.
14:12:27 <aleth> clokep_work: https://developer.mozilla.org/en-US/docs/Mozilla/Errors ?
14:12:47 <clokep_work> aleth: Nah there was some server you could type them in and it'd tell you.
14:13:16 <clokep_work> But that works well enough. :)
14:13:19 <clokep_work> Just needed to convert to hex.
14:13:22 <clokep_work> So yeah it's a NS_ERROR_NET_RESET
14:13:23 <aleth> iirc that just did the conversion to hex for you
14:13:25 <flo-retina> clokep_work: http://james-ross.co.uk/mozilla/misc/nserror
14:13:32 <clokep_work> That's the one. :)
14:13:45 <clokep_work> aleth: I have the integer from the error log...
14:14:20 <aleth> NET_RESET isn't really helpful :-|
14:14:54 <clokep_work> http://mxr.mozilla.org/mozilla-central/source/xpcom/base/ErrorList.h#208
14:15:07 <clokep_work> "Connection was established but no data was sent."
14:16:03 <aleth> clokep_work: do you think this may be relevant? https://mxr.mozilla.org/mozilla-central/source/netwerk/protocol/http/nsHttpConnection.cpp#168
14:20:15 <clokep_work> aleth: Maybe...I think Google generally has SPDY deployed *everywhere*.
14:20:25 <aleth> yeah, that's what I thought too
14:21:13 <aleth> But I don't know if it only applies to HTTP
14:21:34 <clokep_work> Hmm...I think Fallen said something about having issues with SPDY for CalDAV?
14:21:41 <clokep_work> There was some pref I had to flip...
14:21:50 <Fallen> something with http_draft
14:22:00 <clokep_work> (Actually, it was likely merike who told me...but you're all the same person in #calendar. :P)
14:22:11 <Fallen> :)
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14:22:51 <clokep_work> I flipped http2draft, that doesn't seem to help, since....yeah we're not over HTTP.
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14:35:56 <clokep_work> I should probably test that with a different instance. ;)
14:38:00 <instantbot> clokep@gmail.com changed the Resolution on bug 955451 from --- to DUPLICATE.
14:38:01 <instantbot> Bug https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=955451 nor, --, ---, nobody, RESO DUPLICATE, Receive offline messages from google messenger.
14:43:32 <clokep_work> OK, where the hell is the google talk reconnecting bug? I can't fidn it.
14:43:53 <instantbot> aleth@instantbird.org changed the Resolution on bug 1108596 from --- to FIXED.
14:43:54 <instantbot> aleth@instantbird.org changed the Resolution on bug 1122096 from --- to FIXED.
14:43:55 <instantbot> Bug https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=1122096 nor, --, 1.6, aleth, RESO FIXED, Reconnecting password-protected channels sometimes fails
14:43:56 <instantbot> Bug https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=1108596 nor, --, 1.6, aleth, RESO FIXED, Don't send both ISON and WATCH/MONITOR
14:44:34 <aleth> clokep_work: Maybe it was never filed and only on the mailing list?
14:49:05 <aleth> clokep_work: There's a bunch of hits if you google spdy port 443...
14:50:50 <aleth> "Implementations
14:50:50 <aleth> NPN has been implemented in NSS (patch), TLSLite (patch) and OpenSSL (included in CVS, patch against 1.0.0d).
14:50:50 <aleth> A reference implementation server is running on port 443 of www.google.com. On the client side, the Chrome web browser enables NPN by default."
14:51:30 <aleth> But I don't see why anything around that would have changed recently
14:52:00 <clokep_work> aleth: Interesting point...I forget we're connecting to 443...
14:52:11 <clokep_work> Even though it's in front of my face... :)
14:52:42 <aleth> I had to look it up to remember too...
15:01:40 <clokep_work> Can we change that port in about:config?
15:03:15 <aleth> I don't think so, but you could set up a gtalk account manually by using XMPP, then you can set the port?
15:06:11 <flo-retina> I don't even remember why we needed to use 443 exactly :-S
15:06:43 <aleth> maybe it avoids firewall issues?
15:07:31 <flo-retina> I think it's more related to certificates
15:07:41 <flo-retina> eg. that would always return talk.google.com or something
15:07:57 <flo-retina> so that we can avoid failing
15:08:24 <flo-retina> if we use the startTLS solution, it may return a different certificate based on the hostname of the account we are connecting
15:08:35 <flo-retina> which IIRC is not something NSS likes
15:09:36 <clokep_work> Hard coded: http://mxr.mozilla.org/comm-central/source/chat/protocols/gtalk/gtalk.js#79
15:09:58 <clokep_work> We should have made that respect http://mxr.mozilla.org/comm-central/source/chat/protocols/xmpp/xmpp.js#45
15:10:34 <flo-retina> but without exposing it in the UI?
15:18:50 <clokep_work> Yeah. We do that for something else IIRC.
15:21:53 <aleth> XMPP should really default to requireEncryption :-S
15:24:45 <instantbot> New Chat Core - XMPP bug 1122567 filed by aleth@instantbird.org.
15:24:46 <instantbot> Bug https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=1122567 nor, --, ---, nobody, NEW, Change JS-XMPP default to require encryption
15:25:18 <clokep_work> aleth: Did we ever change that for IRC? :-\
15:25:22 <aleth> No
15:25:27 <aleth> :-(
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15:53:56 <clokep_work> I'll put up a patch today.
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16:05:37 <aleth> clokep_work: does the problem go away if network.http.spdy.enabled is false?
16:06:10 <clokep_work> I haven't tried disconnecting my account yet, but I restarted with that. :)
16:06:22 <aleth> :-)
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17:24:01 <Defman> Can you make Instantbird play "sound" once?
17:24:05 <Defman> I mean
17:24:39 <Defman> IF you write a message with more than 1 line you will be noticed by "sound" more than 1 time
17:24:56 <Defman> And it makes sound very loud...
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17:29:17 <clokep_work> You mean grouping of the sounds.
17:29:20 <clokep_work> I think there's a bug about that.
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18:43:17 <instantbot> New Chat Core - IRC bug 1122666 filed by clokep@gmail.com.
18:43:18 <instantbot> Bug https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=1122666 enh, --, ---, clokep, ASSI, Default IRC to using SSL
18:45:24 <clokep_work> aleth: Surprisingly we didn't have a bug about that? :-S
18:45:31 <clokep_work> I'm sure arlolra will be happy about that bug...
18:45:47 <arlolra> do I get to write the patch :)
18:46:19 <clokep_work> arlolra: You can review it if you want.
18:46:26 <clokep_work> aleth will rubber-stamp it.
18:48:37 <arlolra> https://github.com/boklm/tor-messenger-build/blob/master/projects/instantbird/irc.patch
18:50:11 <arlolra> oh, there's already a patch there ... /me is feeling slow this morning
18:50:26 <arlolra> (and every morning ... not to mention the afternoons and evenings)
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19:00:53 * aleth will do the xmpp bit
19:02:49 <aleth> arlolra: might contain useful inspiration for the OTR UI, idk https://adrifelt.github.io/sslinterstitial-chi.pdf
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19:11:01 <flo-retina> is 6697 a standard port for SSL IRC?
19:11:27 <arlolra> aleth: thanks
19:11:37 <flo-retina> I thought last time we discussed this we wanted to make that change per-network rather than globally
19:11:54 <aleth> 6697 is standard
19:12:05 <flo-retina> are ALL the large IRC networks supporting SSL?
19:12:12 <flo-retina> if not, we are going to break existing accounts
19:12:56 <aleth> flo-retina: There used to be a freenode SSL bug which was blocking making this change.
19:13:21 <flo-retina> and now that bug has moved to gtalk ;)
19:13:32 <aleth> yay, whack-a-mole
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19:15:10 <aleth> flo-retina: I guess we'll soon get feedback if there is a major IRC network we've overlooked (with no SSL or a different port)
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19:16:33 <aleth> "All IRC networks, except one, in the global top twenty which offer IRC via SSL/TLS are listening on port 6697 and many smaller networks do, as well" was written in 2011
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20:41:24 <flo-retina> aleth: I'm confused by "we never use STARTTLS for gtalk due to https://dxr.mozilla.org/comm-central/source/chat/protocols/xmpp/xmpp-session.jsm#32,
20:41:24 <flo-retina> instead attempting SSL directly. Might be worth checking if removing the port 443 check there helps with the reconnection issue?"
20:42:05 <flo-retina> I think the reason we are using port 443 is specifically to prevent STARTTLS from being used
20:43:47 <aleth> It's just another thing to experiment with to gather some data
20:48:47 <flo-retina> I doubt that will work
20:48:52 <aleth> I don't know why port 443 was used
20:48:57 <flo-retina> you'll connect to talk.google.com, and get a cert for gmail.com
20:49:28 <flo-retina> well, I guess you can add a cert exception and then see if the other issue still exists
20:51:02 <aleth> yes, this is all just to try to shed some light on what's going on
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21:02:16 <flo-retina> ok :)
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21:12:04 <clokep_work> aleth: Turning spdy off doesn't help
21:12:17 <clokep_work> Oh wait...I seemed to have flipped the pref. :(
21:12:19 <clokep_work> Bahhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh
21:13:27 <flo-retina> does wireshark help to see what's different when reconnecting?
21:14:03 <clokep_work> I haven't tried.
21:14:08 <clokep_work> I've had issues installing wireshark on this machine.
21:14:10 <clokep_work> AKa a Mac.
21:15:30 <clokep_work> flo-retina: Btw there's no reasonable way to keep the old port/ssl settings and update the default, right?
21:15:39 <clokep_work> Cause we don't copy those into each account?
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21:16:45 <flo-retina> clokep_work: right
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