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00:28:25 <Defman> lol you has odnoklassniki protocol? 00:30:29 <Defman> *have 00:39:11 <-- myk has quit (Ping timeout: 121 seconds) 00:46:48 <clokep> Why is that funny? 00:46:59 <clokep> As has already been said, it's just XMPP. 00:50:31 <Tobin> will need to evaluate what has changed since ESR31 level though 00:51:04 <Tobin> also likely need to do some stylizing for the IM tabs.. like actually have some :P 00:51:19 <Tobin> would also like to contrib if i can but dunno what all i can offer atm 00:51:29 <Tobin> just getting the basics down on the chat core 00:51:53 <clokep> I don't know what that means. 00:52:01 <clokep> "stylizing for the IM tabs...like actually have some" 00:52:20 <clokep> But I'm pretty sure it's meant to be vaguely inslting. 00:52:31 <clokep> Which isn't really nice since someone spent time working on it. 00:52:41 <Tobin> i am talking about thunderbird 00:52:43 <Tobin> parts 00:52:44 <Tobin> fe code 00:52:52 <Tobin> it looks great in instantbird though 00:53:16 <-- unghost has quit (Quit: Ð£Ñ Ð¾Ð¶Ñ Ñ Ð¾Ñ Ð²Ð°Ñ (xchat 2.4.5 Ð¸Ð»Ð¸ ÑÑÐ°ÑÑÐµ)) 00:53:23 <clokep> Why's it matter if you're talking about Instantbird or Thunderbird? :-S 00:54:33 <Tobin> because it is a different UX style wise 00:55:03 <Defman> Just... 00:55:33 <clokep> You're totlaly missing the point of what I'm saying. :-\ 00:55:34 <Tobin> most would use instantbird's IM window as a floating smaller window.. but all that whitespace inside the context of a mail client.. doesn't look that good imo 00:55:36 <clokep> Whatever. 00:55:43 <Tobin> well explain what you mean 00:56:05 <Defman> Why it's so funny? You aren't able to understand that because you're not Russian 00:57:13 <clokep> Tobin: I'm asking you to not be inflammatory in your comments, it doesn't matter if it's about Instantbird or Thunderbird or some other program that I hate. I find your statement to be rude to someone who put effort into making something. I'm not saying your *meant* for it to sound that way, but please re-read things before you post them then. 00:57:30 <clokep> It can be very disheartening to work on something and have someone come in and say "Why'd you do it that way? It looks like crap." 00:57:45 <clokep> It's always good to wany to improve things, but the way you go about that is just as important. 00:57:46 <Tobin> not what i ment at all.. 00:58:00 <Tobin> but i am sorry if it sounded that way 00:58:14 <clokep> Defman: Likely. ;) Someone requested it and gave us a patch though, it's like 15 lines of code + an icon. :) 00:58:24 <clokep> We used to have VK too, but they killed their XMPP interface. 00:58:44 <Tobin> didn't VK get bought by the people who run that new one? 00:59:20 <clokep> I'm unsure, but it sounds familiar. 00:59:46 <clokep> It's disappointing that people are moving away from standardized protocols. :( 00:59:48 <Defman> I'm not sure that there is any logic to use VK outside of web-interface... 01:00:14 <clokep> My understanding is it's pretty much the same as Facebook, but I've never used it much. :) 01:00:36 <Defman> Yep, it's copy of Facebook 01:00:51 <clokep> Facebook chat kind of sucks too... 01:01:11 * clokep is scared that they'll shutoff their XMPP transport soon. :( 01:01:12 <Tobin> clokep: I know exactly how you feel about people moving away from standardized protocols 01:01:14 <Tobin> 100% 01:01:16 <Defman> and at now VK sucks a lot 01:02:08 <Tobin> as soon as Google can shut down their relience on jabber it will no longer be possible to use xmpp 01:02:12 <Tobin> same deal 01:02:13 <Defman> cuz VK was bought by mail.ru (I hope you doesn't know what it this shit) 01:02:27 <Defman> and VK founder (Pavel Durov) creates Telegram 01:02:37 <clokep> I know what mail.ru is, yeah. 01:02:43 <Tobin> mail.ru is horrible.. and i think they own that facebook clone 01:02:50 <clokep> Tobin: That's speculation they've never announced they'll shut down their XMPP interface. 01:03:27 <Defman> And VK start lagging a lot after it was bought by mail.ru 01:03:34 <clokep> That's frustrating. 01:03:57 <Defman> Mail.ru creates a lot of ads in mobile app for VK 01:04:13 * clokep keeps meaning ot get off free email. 01:04:16 <Tobin> I have a few contacts inside google.. it will happen as soon as they can.. also they have effectively cut them selves off from the federated network because they refused to enable encryption 01:04:30 <clokep> Yes I know they're no longer federated. 01:05:21 <Tobin> google wants off xmpp so bad 01:05:47 <Tobin> Remember when AIM was gonna go all xmpp and it never got passed their buggy bridge? 01:06:53 <clokep> Yeah, it looked good for a bit. 01:07:11 <Tobin> speaking of AIM.. someone in here said someone was working on a chat core implimentation for oscar but they didn't know how far along it was.. was that you who told me that? 01:07:47 <clokep> I was working on it, yes. 01:07:52 <clokep> I haven't in like a year though. 01:08:01 <clokep> It isn't the highest priority protocol I'd write right now. 01:11:30 <Tobin> can i ask what is currently the top protocol taht is being worked on? 01:11:47 <clokep> I'll work on Skype again once I have motivation 01:12:01 <Tobin> How.. 01:12:07 <-- Bollebib has quit (Quit: Instantbird 1.5 -- http://www.instantbird.com) 01:12:55 <Defman> Oh... 01:13:17 <Defman> If you'll add Skype support to Instantbird I'll be happy a lot! 01:13:35 <Defman> Cuz Skype on Linux looks so ugly 01:15:58 <clokep> I need to test the code again and make sure nothing is totally broke and then get it reviewed. 01:18:50 --> EionRobb has joined #instantbird 01:19:26 <Tobin> you know Microsoft won't let anyone use a 3rd party client on skype 01:19:38 <clokep> ... 01:19:49 <clokep> I'm sure AOL loves it too. 01:19:51 <clokep> And Yahoo 01:19:56 <clokep> And...whoever else you care to talk about. 01:20:35 <Defman> But they let themselves doesn't create normal Skype on Linux... 01:20:45 <Tobin> well Skype historically has literally sued people for trying.. 01:21:00 <Tobin> also how did you get past the certification issue? 01:21:33 <clokep> I don't know what issue you're talking about. 01:21:35 <EionRobb> this sounds exciting 01:21:37 <clokep> Go find the code if you're interested. 01:21:42 <Tobin> where is it? 01:21:49 <clokep> On Bugzilla. 01:22:37 <Tobin> Bug 953999 01:22:39 <instantbot> Bug https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=953999 enh, --, ---, clokep, ASSI, Skype protocol plugin 01:23:40 <Tobin> OH 01:23:57 <Tobin> heh 01:24:01 <Tobin> yeah that won't work 01:24:10 <Tobin> the desktop client api is being removed 01:24:14 <Tobin> it may already be removed 01:24:31 <EionRobb> keep reading 01:24:32 <Tobin> stuff that like skype4com and skype4py can hook into? 01:24:33 <clokep> What desktop client API? 01:24:45 <clokep> Tobin: Read the whole bug please. 01:24:52 <Tobin> oh ok 01:24:57 <clokep> Instead of assuming after reading 3 lines. 01:25:07 <EionRobb> you missed the bit about not using the desktop api ;) 01:25:46 <Tobin> webapi 01:25:49 <Tobin> oh.. 01:26:32 <Tobin> are you hoping to support calls as well in this? 01:26:41 <EionRobb> I need to take another look this week to see if they're done any more webrtc there to be able to do p2p 01:27:21 <clokep> If possible. 01:27:49 <EionRobb> Tobin: at the moment skype for web uses a browser plugin for doing p2p but they're planning on an extension to webrtc for doing calls 01:27:55 <EionRobb> and file transfers 01:28:08 <Tobin> ok 01:28:11 <-- aleth has quit (Ping timeout: 121 seconds) 01:28:11 <EionRobb> does IB do file transfers yet? :P 01:28:11 <Tobin> sounds cool 01:28:18 <Tobin> will deff like to see that in instantbird 01:29:19 --> aleth has joined #instantbird 01:29:19 * ChanServ sets mode +o aleth 01:30:47 <Defman> I want to see webcam and desktop demonstration support in a chat groups :D 01:31:16 <EionRobb> what's "desktop demonstration"? 01:31:36 <Defman> When someone show's his screen 01:31:57 <Defman> I'm sorry maybe I call it wrong cuz I use Russian language in Skype 01:32:18 <EionRobb> ah. never heard that being called desktop demonstration before :) only as screen sharing or remote presentation or something 01:32:31 <EionRobb> interesting literal translation though :) 01:33:23 <Defman> I translate it "by words" 01:36:05 <clokep> Ciao. 01:36:07 * Fallen|away is now known as Fallen 01:43:27 <-- aleth has quit (Ping timeout: 121 seconds) 01:50:44 * Fallen is now known as Fallen|away 01:57:14 <-- Defman has quit (Connection closed) 02:17:38 --> nhnt11 has joined #instantbird 02:17:38 * ChanServ sets mode +h nhnt11 02:17:53 <-- EionRobb has quit (Quit: Leaving.) 02:34:04 <-- nhnt11 has quit (Ping timeout: 121 seconds) 02:43:35 --> nhnt11 has joined #instantbird 02:43:35 * ChanServ sets mode +h nhnt11 02:51:18 <-- nhnt11 has quit (Connection closed) 02:51:18 --> nhnt12 has joined #instantbird 02:51:18 * ChanServ sets mode +h nhnt12 02:53:43 * nhnt12 is now known as nhnt11 02:59:46 <-- nhnt11 has quit (Ping timeout: 121 seconds) 03:21:05 --> Mook has joined #instantbird 03:26:07 <-- Mook has quit (Client exited) 04:31:05 <instant-buildbot> build #2489 of macosx-nightly-default is complete: Failure [4failed shell_5] 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21:08:15 <aleth> alrighty! 21:09:48 <clokep_work> Luckily my newest (unfinished stuff) was a separate commit. :) 21:09:56 <clokep_work> I was afraid that was going to be much more painful. 21:10:09 <aleth> Cool, I'm all for landing this in pieces. 21:12:35 * aleth started looking at webrtc again 21:12:53 <aleth> amazing how quickly you forget why you did or didn't do something three months ago... 21:14:34 <aleth> of course it had bitrotted too. 21:14:58 <clokep_work> :( Oh really? 21:15:06 <clokep_work> You started looking at the comments flo left? 21:15:16 <aleth> Yes 21:16:55 <aleth> Still quite a bit of tidying up to do in those patches... 21:22:11 <clokep_work> Yeah. :( 21:29:55 <-- sonny has quit (Connection closed) 21:43:21 <Defman> Hi 21:48:05 <clokep> Hello 21:48:35 --> EionRobb has joined #instantbird 21:50:52 <Defman> 12:50 AM but I still working on my project... Eh 21:56:37 <clokep_work> Ah apparently Florian is awake somewhere. ;) 21:59:19 <aleth> Or adding review comments in his sleep ;) 21:59:44 <instantbot> firstname.lastname@example.org changed the Resolution on bug 954167 from --- to WONTFIX. 21:59:46 <instantbot> Bug https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=954167 enh, --, ---, clokep, RESO WONTFIX, JS-Socket should automatically handle flood control 21:59:49 <Defman> Heh 22:00:12 <clokep_work> aleth: If you have some idea why I wanted that feel free to comment, but I'm tired of seeing it and don't really know. :) 22:00:52 <aleth> I'm OK with wontfixing that, especially after seeing the quirks of that kind of thing in the recent fakelag patch 22:02:06 <clokep_work> Yeah it seems like anything we'd want to do there couldn't be done at the socket level. 22:02:29 * clokep_work looks at libpurple again... 22:02:43 <clokep_work> Hmmm my dinner hasn't defrosted, that's probably more important 22:03:34 <aleth> yeah, don't get so distracted you eat it frozen ;) 22:10:45 <-- clokep_work has quit (Ping timeout: 121 seconds) 22:13:20 <clokep> There's these great inventions called microwaves. :-D 22:20:04 --> DGMurdockIII has joined #instantbird 22:29:05 --> clokep_work has joined #instantbird 22:29:05 * ChanServ sets mode +o clokep_work 22:44:26 --> mudpit1 has joined #instantbird 22:47:35 <-- mudpit has quit (Ping timeout: 121 seconds) 22:47:35 * mudpit1 is now known as mudpit 22:59:46 <-- Suiseiseki has quit (Ping timeout: 121 seconds) 23:00:35 * Fallen is now known as Fallen|away 23:02:29 * Fallen|away is now known as Fallen 23:09:59 <-- Defman has quit (Connection closed) 23:16:13 --> Suiseiseki has joined #instantbird 23:22:18 <-- EionRobb has quit (Quit: Leaving.) 23:41:31 --> mconley has joined #instantbird 23:50:16 <-- mconley has quit (Connection closed)