#instantbird log on 12 19 2014

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04:57:43 <instant-buildbot> build #1262 of linux-nightly-default is complete: Success [3build successful]  Build details are at http://buildbot.instantbird.org/builders/linux-nightly-default/builds/1262
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11:09:28 <nhnt11> aleth: I saw something about the os x nightlies being crashy. Is that fixed? (should I avoid updating?)
11:10:09 <aleth> You can update, but you have to turn off emoticons
11:10:19 <flo-retina> nhnt11: you can update, but disable the emoticons from the Themes preference pane
11:10:21 <flo-retina> nhnt11: displaying emoticons crashes
11:10:23 <nhnt11> Cool, that's fine with me I think.
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11:10:27 <nhnt11> thanks
11:10:31 * nhnt11 is reading the logs nwo
11:10:33 <nhnt11> now*
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11:50:48 <hadi> Is it even possible to upload nightly clients?
11:51:10 <hadi> erg sorry
11:51:14 <hadi> i ment update*
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13:12:04 <nhnt11> Interesting, the tab image issue seems to "fix itself" without reopening the window in the latest nightly
13:12:36 <nhnt11> Hovering on a "bad" tab seems to do the trick
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13:20:38 <clokep_work> nhnt11: Any chance I can ask you to finish up some of those partial patches?
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13:34:34 <nhnt11> clokep_work: which ones
13:34:36 <nhnt11> ?
13:34:40 <nhnt11> split logs?
13:34:45 <clokep_work> nhnt11: Yep.
13:34:51 <clokep_work> The same ones you've been loking at forever. ;)
13:34:57 <nhnt11> yeah, I'll take a look tonight before bed
13:35:01 <nhnt11> it's nearly finished I think
13:36:00 <nhnt11> clokep_work: I fully intend to finish up the logging stuff this vacation, and possibly look at australis (flo said he might look at that too, that should be fun to get done)
13:36:25 <clokep_work> :)
13:36:26 <clokep_work> Thanks.
13:36:30 <clokep_work> That'd be awesome to land that stuf.
13:36:40 <nhnt11> I also want to see if I can make some progress on the infinite scroll stuff, it was coming along nicely.
13:36:59 <nhnt11> even the first patch to get rid of old messages for convs on hold would be nice to have..
13:38:01 <clokep_work> :) Yes, I agree!
13:38:05 <clokep_work> You'd be my hero. ;)
13:38:28 <nhnt11> lots to be done!
13:38:46 <nhnt11> clokep_work: What's the status of the skype stuff?
13:39:16 <nhnt11> ah, I'm still f? on that
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13:43:41 <clokep_work> nhnt11: The status is it's waiting for feedback. ;)
13:43:46 <clokep_work> I need to upload a new patch though.
13:43:49 <clokep_work> And request review on it, I think
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16:04:30 <clokep_work> qheaden: YOu test those patches? :)
16:05:04 <qheaden> clokep_work: I tested the one for Ib. 
16:05:10 <qheaden> I didn't actually test the mail one. :P
16:05:15 * qheaden needs to compile thunderbird
16:06:52 <clokep_work> qheaden: Rgr. Thanks for taking a look at that. :)
16:07:05 <qheaden> No prob. :)
16:07:15 <clokep_work> qheaden: Anything else you're gonna take a look at? :)
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16:21:21 <Defman> Hello
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16:34:38 <qheaden> clokep_work: I'll probably work on adding a "hide join/part message" feature to IRC.
16:35:02 <qheaden> And generalize the join/part stuff for all prpls
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16:43:15 <clokep_work> Cool. :)
16:43:18 <clokep_work> That'll be interesting. :P
16:43:20 <clokep_work> Good luck
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16:47:25 <qheaden> :)
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16:50:34 <clokep_work> qheaden: A cheap way to do it might be to not make it compatible w/ libpurple.
16:52:26 <qheaden> I think I'm going to set up a personal buildbot at home to create regular builds without libpurple so I can test for issues like the one in bug 1113165.
16:52:29 <instantbot> Bug https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=1113165 nor, --, ---, nobody, NEW, Send typing notification pref not present outside of libpurple
16:54:22 <clokep_work> I don't know how hard it is to set up buildbot.
16:54:31 <clokep_work> It might be easier to just throw a script in cron. ;)
16:58:12 * qheaden likes pretty Buildbot waterfalls and IRC alerts. :P
16:58:47 <qheaden> Is there a pref somewhere that allows you to point Ib to a custom distribution source for updates?
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17:22:15 <clokep_work> qheaden: You'd need to create update mniafest and stuff, I think.
17:22:20 <clokep_work> flo-retina: or Even mightk now.
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18:17:50 <mudpit> Is it just me or is google talk support currently broken? Since 3-4 days it seems to log me out after a few minutes and unable to reconnect untill i restart instantbird.
18:20:50 <qheaden> Hmm. I have experienced that at work. I thought it was just my job's firewall.
18:21:35 <clokep_work> mudpit: I was having issues on one computer while the one next to it was logged in OK.
18:21:43 <clokep_work> Restarting Instantbird fixed it. :-\
18:21:47 <clokep_work> Not sure what the deal is though.
18:21:51 <clokep_work> I forgot to grab a debug log though.
18:22:36 <mudpit> restarting fixes it but it breaks again after a few minutes. 
18:25:35 <clokep_work> mudpit: I'd suggesting grabbing a debug log.
18:26:13 <qheaden> clokep_work: When is bug 1099588 going to land?
18:26:16 <instantbot> Bug https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=1099588 nor, --, ---, nobody, NEW, Make JS callers of ios.newChannel call ios.newChannel2 in chat/
18:26:17 <mudpit> i'm waiting for the connection to break again so i can grab a log.
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18:28:08 <clokep_work> qheaden: When there's no more questions about it?
18:28:14 <clokep_work> mudpit: Thanks so much! :)
18:28:37 * clokep_work usually just blames it on flaky servers. :(
18:34:48 * qheaden still gets the feeling that GMail isn't doing much to update and support their XMPP gateway
18:34:55 <qheaden> *Google
18:35:07 <clokep_work> qheaden: Make a Hangouts prpl?
18:35:10 <clokep_work> I'll buy you a burriot.
18:35:13 <clokep_work> burrito.
18:35:16 <clokep_work> I don't know what a burriot is.
18:35:19 <qheaden> \o/
18:35:35 <qheaden> I had that idea once, but something make me think it wasn't that easy.
18:35:45 <qheaden> Something about their API. I forget now.
18:36:14 <qheaden> https://developers.google.com/+/hangouts/
18:36:24 <qheaden> This page makes it look like you can only use the API to build apps to run inside of Hangouts.
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18:53:09 <clokep_work> qheaden: That's the API for phones.
18:53:18 <clokep_work> qheaden: https://github.com/tdryer/hangups/
18:54:15 <qheaden> Hmm, okay.
19:02:05 <clokep_work> qheaden: There's no documented API
19:02:33 <qheaden> JS-Yahoo all over again? :P
19:02:54 * clokep_work sighs.
19:03:02 <clokep_work> Be nice if people used real protocols.
19:05:42 <aleth> yes, XMPP maybe isn't perfect, but it seemed to be becoming the standard for a while :-|
19:06:49 <qheaden> It supposed to be "eXtensible". I guess Google didn't want to extend it anymore.
19:07:09 <clokep_work> Guess it wasn't extensible enough, yeah.
19:07:23 * clokep_work is scared of when Facebook will kill their gateway.
19:07:28 <clokep_work> I have a feeling they'll do it before Google.
19:07:55 * qheaden proposed that everyone just go back to using IRC.
19:08:18 <clokep_work> Hahaha.
19:08:34 <clokep_work> qheaden: I'd suggets you concentrate on one of these things though, not all of 'em. :)
19:13:06 <clokep_work> But I'mwilling to help with any of it. :)
19:14:03 <qheaden> clokep_work: Have there been any talk of creating an export/import settings system for Ib?
19:14:09 <qheaden> Something easier than copying your profile folder
19:14:18 <clokep_work> qheaden: How is that easier? :-S
19:14:26 <qheaden> Well, not easier
19:14:30 <clokep_work> wnayes did an importer, but that was to import from other programs.
19:14:39 <qheaden> But the profile folder contains a lot of cache stuff.
19:14:42 <clokep_work> qheaden: I think what you really want is syncing.
19:14:51 <clokep_work> And we've talked about it a ton, yes.
19:14:55 <qheaden> Okay.
19:18:22 <clokep_work> qheaden: Likely you'd want to figure out how Fx Sync works, add IB specific stuff to it.
19:18:27 <clokep_work> And then see about setting it up on a server. :p
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19:47:27 <clokep_work> qheaden: Hopefully I don't sound like I'm stomping on your fun btw. :) Just busy.
19:48:04 <qheaden> Stomping on my fun?? 
19:48:09 * qheaden didn't get that vibe
19:49:57 <clokep_work> :) Good.
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23:01:50 <clokep> "IndexedDB now available in Workers" that useful at all?
23:08:04 <flo-retina> it's great if you use indexedDB and workers ;)
23:08:28 <clokep> Thanks. :P
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23:15:45 <mudpit> I came here a few hours ago with unable to connect errors for google talk. It works again after restarting instantbird for around 3 hours. Here's the log: http://pastebin.com/Fdaxjged
23:16:02 <mudpit> it hangs at "Connecting: Initializing stream" in the gui.
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23:16:56 <clokep> aleth: ^
23:16:59 <clokep> I think you were interested in that.
23:17:04 <clokep> mudpit: Instantbird does IRC btw. :)
23:17:22 <aleth> mudpit: thanks
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23:17:36 <mudpit2> yea i know. Too lazy to set it up.
23:17:52 <clokep> There doesn't seem to be a disconnect nserror. :-S
23:18:00 <aleth> mudpit: sadly, it doesn't look like gtalk is sending us anything useful
23:18:14 <mudpit2> The gui displays "error: the server closed the connection"
23:18:26 <mudpit2> from the messages i get the impression that gtalk just isnt responding.
23:18:49 <mudpit2> let me restart instantbird again to see if it fixes anything.
23:18:51 <clokep> It seems like we get no response, but is the server not responding? Is a proxy not responding? Is the socket not *really* opened.
23:18:54 <clokep> Lots of things could happen.
23:19:48 <mudpit2> it connects again after i restart instantbird.
23:20:59 <aleth> there's an onStopRequest so it's not a timeout
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23:21:53 <mudpit2> after 20 seconds of no response, yes.
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23:29:07 <mudpit> Mibbit is hilariously unstable it seems.. if anyone said anything in the past minute, you might want to repeat it.
23:29:23 <aleth> you should really set up an IRC account in Instantbird ;)
23:29:32 <mudpit> i just did
23:30:14 <aleth> :-)
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23:31:02 <aleth> We'll have to think a bit about how to investigate that gtalk issue
23:32:28 <mudpit> i'm a developer so i can do some investigation if necessary. Although js is not my strong suit. I'm mostly a C++/asm/python man.
23:32:30 <aleth> mudpit: are you using Instantbird 1.5 or the nightly?
23:33:22 <flo-retina> aleth: how would you feel about making the first line of any debug log give the build id?
23:33:23 <mudpit> version 1.5, 20131217211848
23:33:33 <flo-retina> and OS
23:33:54 <aleth> mudpit: Feel free to dig into the source, the XMPP protocol is in JS and the lower-level code in C++
23:34:16 <aleth> flo-retina: good idea
23:35:01 <aleth> maybe also some account prefs?
23:36:17 <flo-retina> yeah
23:36:34 <flo-retina> could be difficult to figure out which ones are privacy sensitive
23:36:46 <flo-retina> maybe include just the prefs that are not textboxes
23:36:57 <flo-retina> and for the others just say if there's a non default vlaue
23:37:00 <flo-retina> *value
23:37:12 <flo-retina> including prefs could totally be a follow-up
23:37:12 <aleth> right, like <password set>
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