#instantbird log on 12 08 2014

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04:53:29 <instant-buildbot> build #1251 of linux-nightly-default is complete: Success [3build successful]  Build details are at http://buildbot.instantbird.org/builders/linux-nightly-default/builds/1251
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05:05:15 <nhnt11> Nice, my nick automatically changed :)
05:06:16 <instant-buildbot> build #2453 of macosx-nightly-default is complete: Success [3build successful]  Build details are at http://buildbot.instantbird.org/builders/macosx-nightly-default/builds/2453
05:06:18 <nhnt11> TIME flo-retina
05:06:21 <nhnt11> um
05:06:22 <nhnt11> oops
05:06:23 <nhnt11> sorry
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05:10:42 <nhnt11> Wow, really tiny partial update today.. (<100kB)
05:24:39 <instant-buildbot> build #147 of linux64-nightly-default is complete: Success [3build successful]  Build details are at http://buildbot.instantbird.org/builders/linux64-nightly-default/builds/147
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07:14:30 <Defman> Where instantbird save user preferences?
07:14:52 <nhnt11> Defman: Which preferences are you referring to?
07:15:13 <Defman> Like current user accounts, current theme for messages, etc.
07:15:31 <nhnt11> Do you mean, where does it save it in the filesystem?
07:15:41 <Defman> yes
07:15:51 <Defman> in Linux
07:15:56 <nhnt11> Somewhere in the profile directory
07:16:04 <Defman> Okay
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07:17:33 <EionRobb> where does instantbird store the beer?
07:17:33 <nhnt11> Defman: I don't know if there's an easy way to open the profile directory, but if you go to Preferences->Privacy and click "Show Log Folder..." the log directory will open
07:17:39 <nhnt11> oh he's gone
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07:18:14 <nhnt11> 12:47:27 - nhnt11: Defman: I don't know if there's an easy way to open the profile directory, but if you go to Preferences->Privacy and click "Show Log Folder..." the log directory will open
07:18:24 <nhnt11> The parent folder of the log folder is the profile directory
07:18:32 <nhnt11> there you will find prefs.js
07:18:33 <Defman> thanks a lot
07:18:41 <Defman> Now I know what I must fix
07:18:44 <nhnt11> I encourage you to instead use about:config to edit prefs
07:18:50 <nhnt11> And not manually edit that file
07:19:00 <Defman> I just want to fix permissions on this folder to my user
07:19:04 <nhnt11> oh
07:19:35 <Defman> lol
07:21:04 <Defman> "drwx------"
07:21:11 <Defman> Nice permissions to extensions folder!
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07:23:12 <Defman> Okay, now I can install extensions
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12:09:59 <flo-retina> EionRobb: the beer is stored at FOSDEM
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12:51:13 <instantbot> New Chat Core - IRC bug 1108540 filed by aleth@instantbird.org.
12:51:15 <instantbot> Bug https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=1108540 nor, --, ---, aleth, ASSI, Avoid triggering fakelags on connection
12:59:24 <flo-retina> oooh!
12:59:50 <aleth> lunchtime WIP ;)
13:00:42 <flo-retina> so you finally think the queue idea is worth trying?
13:01:06 <aleth> No, it's not what you suggested.
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13:01:33 <flo-retina> aleth: well, the first thing I see when opening the patch is "_joinQueue"
13:02:00 <aleth> flo-retina: iirc you suggested waiting after each join until doing the next one
13:02:09 <aleth> This patch doesn't do that.
13:02:27 <aleth> Anyway, I'm more interested in the effects on your autojoin delay ;)
13:02:46 <flo-retina> hmm, I'm not sure how that patch is expected to affect the penalty
13:02:51 <flo-retina> we are still joining all the channels at once?
13:03:18 <flo-retina> oh, are you just merging all the JOIN commands into a single one, hoping it would help us get 2 penalty points for all the JOINS, instead of joining each channel separately?
13:03:19 <aleth> Yes, but in a single command. So, no huge penalty.
13:04:05 <flo-retina> I guess not for a first WIP, but are we concerned about the length of the command?
13:04:55 <aleth> Yes, that's an edge case one would have to handle
13:06:06 <aleth> Also dealing with connection failure etc
13:09:06 <clokep_work> aleth: How on earth did you find that thing about the penalty?
13:09:35 <clokep_work> I'm not concerned about the length of the command anyway, you just split it into a "few" commands.
13:09:38 <flo-retina> so, with 14 auto-joined channel, I should get 28 "points". That should make we wait for "only" 18s, right?
13:09:51 <aleth> clokep_work: asking on #inspircd about how their throttling system works then looking at the source
13:09:51 <flo-retina> I guess we are causing a MODE per channel, or something.
13:09:56 <flo-retina> That's probably another 14 point
13:10:06 * aleth likes to find out what the problem is before writing patches
13:10:07 <flo-retina> we are doing plenty of WHOIS for whatever reason
13:10:23 <clokep_work> That's surprising.
13:10:27 <aleth> flo-retina: The main issue is that once you cross the threshold, you notice the fakelags.
13:10:39 <flo-retina> aleth: if the thresold is 10, I'll cross it anyway
13:10:51 <flo-retina> just because of the MODE commands
13:11:11 <flo-retina> would be nice if inspircd sent us a message when we cross the threshold btw
13:11:14 <aleth> flo-retina: You may cross it, but it takes a lot less long to decay back under 10
13:11:43 <flo-retina> aleth: well, my message should arrive 23s earlier.
13:11:48 <flo-retina> err, 26
13:11:55 <flo-retina> (14-1)*2
13:17:50 <aleth> flo-retina: Actually there are quite a few commands that carry zero penalty.
13:18:10 <aleth> The default value mainly affects messages (PRIVMSG)
13:18:18 <aleth> I think you should just try the patch ;)
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13:19:50 <flo-retina> after connecting, we send CAP, NICK, USER, CAP REQ multi-prefix, CAP REQ sasl, AUTHENTICATE PLAIN, AUTHENTICATE <stuff>, CAP END, ISON <long list>, 28 JOIN commands (14 channels; we send the JOIN command twice for each), then PROTOCTL NAMESX, WATCH C, WATCH +<long list>, PRIVMSG <- what I actually cared about, finally!, then WHOIS on a 6 nicks (those for which we receive a 609 AWAY message during connect).
13:20:24 <flo-retina> so how much penalty am I expected to have here?
13:21:52 <aleth> 1+28*2+2*1+6*1 iirc
13:22:35 <aleth> PRIVMSG not included
13:23:19 <flo-retina> so after the patch the penalty is expected to become 11, eg only 1s of delay left; not noticeable?
13:23:24 <aleth> right
13:23:26 <clokep_work> That's sad that we send ISON and WATCH :(
13:23:33 <aleth> clokep_work: yes :-(
13:23:49 <flo-retina> clokep_work: and several WHOIS immediately...
13:23:56 <clokep_work> Also I expect that there's no penalty for anything during the registration window (i.e. all the AUTHENTICATE, NICK, etc.)
13:23:59 <aleth> The whois is one per private conv
13:24:07 <aleth> clokep_work: Yes exactly
13:24:07 <clokep_work> I think we do it to get the away messages.
13:24:42 <aleth> clokep_work: Ah right, that too
13:25:04 <flo-retina> aleth: I can very confidently say I didn't have private conversations with the people who got WHOIS'ed, and I did have private conversations with people we didn't WHOIS
13:25:38 <aleth> flo-retina: It only happens when you open a new private conv, so shouldn't affect connection at all.
13:25:58 <aleth> clokep_work is right that the whois during connection is to get the status message.
13:25:59 <flo-retina> aleth: it seems to be done to get away messages of people in the blist
13:26:38 <flo-retina> does that mean that if I've got 60 away folks in my blist I can't talk for another minute? ;)
13:26:55 <aleth> quite possibly ;)
13:27:15 <flo-retina> aleth: btw, thank you so much for investigating! :)
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13:27:42 <aleth> I thought we also sent a whois for each private conv on reconnect, but that indeed doesn't happen
13:30:26 <aleth> flo-retina: WHOIS actually carries a penalty of 2 (I just checked), so given the blist mechanism we'll definitely have to investigate that too.
13:30:53 <clokep_work> aleth: Btw I've wanted to have it such that we only send a single join messages for a while, but was always too lazy / figured it wasn't improtant. :)
13:30:54 <flo-retina> do you have a list of the penalty per command?
13:31:04 <flo-retina> or a link to a file where we can check ourselves without asking you each time?
13:31:05 <aleth> flo-retina: No, you have to look at the source
13:31:06 <clokep_work> And can you please put a link to that in the bug.
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13:31:18 <aleth> clokep_work: There's already a link.
13:31:26 <clokep_work> Ah OK.
13:31:34 * clokep_work isn't awake yet. ;)
13:32:02 <aleth> I guess I could add deep links to the source code where the penalty values are, but those would likely bitrot rapidly anyway
13:32:46 <flo-retina> are you saying that stuff is spread across their whole codebase?
13:32:53 <flo-retina> I'm now almost afraid of looking there :-D
13:33:25 <flo-retina> can we get moznet to change the threshold to something way larger?
13:33:31 <aleth> :D
13:33:38 <clokep_work> aleth: You can link to individual commits, press "y" on a github page.
13:34:32 <flo-retina> is there a way we can grep their code to build a list "automatically"?
13:35:53 <aleth> you'd need a very clever regex
13:36:46 <aleth> Basically for each command handler imagine a struct one entry of which carries the "COMMANDNAME" and another of which is Penalty
13:38:02 * flo-retina would like to see an example or two
13:38:09 <flo-retina> to decide if it's regexp/shellscript able
13:38:15 <aleth> https://github.com/inspircd/inspircd/blob/3a3ff949670c61a4a8856e1391222e156eb1cd17/src/coremods/core_whois.cpp#L26
13:39:00 <aleth> https://github.com/inspircd/inspircd/blob/0c9a94ea9285d1094c031d0c4ed06326b99cf890/src/coremods/core_info/cmd_commands.cpp#L27
13:39:56 <aleth> I shouldn't have said struct, I didn't mean the C command of the same name
13:41:20 * aleth wonders what happens when Pidgin connects to #developers and does a WHOIS on each participant ;)
13:41:31 <aleth> or maybe they don't do that anymore...
13:41:32 <flo-retina> why would it do that?
13:42:47 <aleth> I might be misremembering, but I thought they used to do it to get the status
13:43:23 <flo-retina> maybe
13:43:25 <clokep_work> aleth: They don't do it anymore, but Adium might.
13:43:37 <flo-retina> I thought you had to open the context menu on the participant and then get the whois results in a modal dialog
13:43:38 <clokep_work> They did, we had a local patch backing it out.
13:43:43 <flo-retina> :-D
13:44:27 <aleth> flo-retina: just because they fetched it automatically didn't mean they had good UI to display it ;)
13:45:35 <clokep_work> flo-retina: http://hg.mozilla.org/users/florian_queze.net/purple/rev/5e7dad028129
13:46:15 <flo-retina> :)
13:46:45 <flo-retina> aleth: is your current patch expected to avoid the duplicate JOINs?
13:46:57 <aleth> flo-retina: It might, but that's not what its for
13:47:02 <flo-retina> if not, should we make it detect duplicate, or investigate fixing the underlying bug for that?
13:47:13 <aleth> It already detects duplicates.
13:47:52 <aleth> Let me know if it doesn't fix the double JOINs (could happen if they are on separate ticks of the event loop)
13:54:30 <clokep_work> Yeah we should fix that...
14:10:28 topic changed by nhnt11 to "N"
14:10:30 <nhnt11> Hello
14:10:35 <nhnt11> What on earth just happened
14:10:39 <nhnt11> Can I undo that easily?
14:10:52 topic changed by nhnt11 to "Ask about Instantbird (http://instantbird.com) here! | Current version is Instantbird 1.5! :) | News: http://blog.instantbird.org | Nightlies: http://nightly.instantbird.im (for testing only) | IRC logs: http://log.bezut.info | Pastebin: http://pastebin.instantbird.org | Bugs: https://bugzilla.mozilla.org"
14:11:13 * nhnt11 wonders how he could have typed "/t N" so easily
14:11:20 <nhnt11> typo'd*
14:13:14 <nhnt11> hmm, must have clicked the topic bar, there's no command showing up when I undo
14:14:39 <clokep_work> ;)
14:15:57 <clokep_work> Huh.
14:16:08 <clokep_work> My log viewer says for "Thursday" what was definitely on Friday. :-\
14:17:40 <instantbot> New Instantbird - Other bug 1108557 filed by nhnt11@gmail.com.
14:17:42 <instantbot> Bug https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=1108557 enh, --, ---, nhnt11, ASSI, Debug log tab needs a findbar
14:18:14 <nhnt11> exams seem to inspire me to write quick patches :]
14:18:28 * nhnt11 was trying to search a debug log earlier and failed
14:18:39 <aleth> clokep_work: no split logs yet
14:18:49 <nhnt11> I was just about to say that^
14:18:54 * nhnt11 is safe
14:19:06 <nhnt11> or I hope so, anyway
14:19:09 <clokep_work> Oh hmm.
14:19:09 <clokep_work> OK
14:21:48 <nhnt11> Hmm, that probably needs a comment in tabbrowser.xml
14:22:07 <nhnt11> aleth: Does this make sense? http://pastebin.mozilla.org/7854969
14:23:33 <flo-retina> nhnt11: I almost filed a bug for a findbar in debug logs yesterday! :)
14:25:08 <nhnt11> :)
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14:26:47 <nhnt11> flo-retina: The reason it's two separate tests is because I can't use an "&" character there
14:26:56 <nhnt11> oh, he's gone
14:37:42 <aleth> nhnt11: I don't think it makes sense, I think you need to set findbar.browser
14:38:01 <aleth> Or maybe I'm misunderstanding your pastebin
14:38:09 <nhnt11> aleth: Have you looked at the patch?
14:38:12 <aleth> no
14:38:26 <nhnt11> Yeah, the pastebin will make sense afterwards
14:38:27 <nhnt11> Sorry
14:38:30 <aleth> OK :-)
14:38:53 <nhnt11> The findbar commands in instantbird.xul now use selectedPanel.findbar instead of selectedConversation.findbar
14:39:08 <nhnt11> So that comment is telling consumers that if they set a findbar property, the find command will work with it
14:59:28 <nhnt11> aleth: So I take it that comment is ok?
14:59:40 <aleth> Yes
14:59:45 <nhnt11> cool :)
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15:33:14 <instantbot> New Chat Core - IRC bug 1108596 filed by aleth@instantbird.org.
15:33:16 <instantbot> Bug https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=1108596 nor, --, ---, nobody, NEW, Don't send both ISON and WATCH/MONITOR
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17:37:24 <clokep_work> aleth: That was a simple patch. :)
17:37:51 <aleth> clokep_work: Yes, I marked it as depending on the other one, then thought about it for half a minute and fixed it insted :)
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17:41:54 <flo-retina> there goes half my JOIN penalty I guess ;)
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17:46:41 <clokep_work> We should still fix the real issue. :)
17:46:47 <clokep_work> aleth: BTW I plan on doing more checkins soon.
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20:30:06 <EionRobb> clokep_work: how goes the pluginninging?
20:31:28 <clokep_work> EionRobb: I wrote a lot of untested code when I didn't have Internet. :) Need to debug it.
20:34:53 * Fallen is now known as Fallen|away 
20:39:52 <EionRobb> that's the best kind of code
20:43:52 <EionRobb> don't even both debugging it.  compiles? ship it
20:45:10 <aleth> "works in offline mode"? ;)
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20:50:56 <clokep_work> Exactly. :)
21:05:28 <instantbot> aleth@instantbird.org changed the Resolution on bug 1108393 from --- to WORKSFORME.
21:05:29 <instantbot> Bug https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=1108393 nor, --, ---, nobody, RESO WORKSFORME, Can't connect to IRC server again after disconnecting
21:06:06 <Defman> "WORKSFORME"
21:06:07 <Defman> lol
21:12:56 <flo-retina> hmm, do we expect permissions issues in the profile folder to prevent connections?
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21:26:38 <Defman> It can be anything another
21:26:52 <Defman> but I fix my problem with changing permissions
21:30:20 <instantbot> clokep@gmail.com changed the Resolution on bug 1108557 from --- to FIXED.
21:30:21 <instantbot> Bug https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=1108557 enh, --, 1.6, nhnt11, RESO FIXED, Debug log tab needs a findbar
21:31:06 <DGMurdockIII> AIM not working
21:38:51 <clokep_work> DGMurdockIII: You'll need to give more information, and please don't just copy and paste it into this chatroom.
21:39:10 <clokep_work> aleth: Good thing you un-checkin-needed that before I did checkins. ;)
21:40:25 <aleth> Yeah, I'm going to wait until I get the feedback from flo-retina before I look at it again
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21:47:24 <DGMurdockIII> clokep_work, there is not error info
21:47:29 <DGMurdockIII> it just says 
21:47:50 <DGMurdockIII> error: Unknown reason
21:48:03 <DGMurdockIII> when i try to connect
21:48:18 <DGMurdockIII> version 1.6a1pre (20141129041518)
21:48:29 <DGMurdockIII> Gecko 37.0a1 (20141129041518)
21:48:38 <DGMurdockIII> libpurple 2.10.7
21:50:07 <clokep_work> Likely a server issue.
21:51:38 <DGMurdockIII> http://pastebin.instantbird.com/1090424
21:51:55 <clokep_work> Oh hmm...
21:52:01 <clokep_work> You could try logging in via the website.
21:52:05 <clokep_work> Maybe it wants you to click through something.
21:52:09 <DGMurdockIII> that happens when i enable use client login
21:52:20 <clokep_work> Oh.
21:52:25 <clokep_work> I don't think client login works anymore.
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21:59:13 <DGMurdockIII> even when client login uncheck it still dose not work
21:59:23 <DGMurdockIII> i get error: Unknown reason
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