#instantbird log on 12 07 2014

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04:21:36 <instant-buildbot> build #1250 of linux-nightly-default is complete: Failure [4failed compile]  Build details are at http://buildbot.instantbird.org/builders/linux-nightly-default/builds/1250
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07:53:49 * nhnt11 just fixed a bug that has been annoying him for a long long time
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08:07:32 <nhnt11> (bug 954564)
08:07:34 <instantbot> Bug https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=954564 min, --, ---, nhnt11, ASSI, Newly selected contacts don't get scrolled into view.
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09:07:55 <kapy> hey aleth, just wanted to ask you a question related to gsoc
09:08:13 <kapy> are the  mozilla mentors  in gsoc  mozilla employees  or  mozilla contributors ?
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09:11:26 <aleth> kapy: it depends
09:11:52 <aleth> for Instantbird, they're currently all contributors
09:12:51 <kapy> ok
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09:15:17 <nhnt11> kapy: You interested in participating in GSoC '15?
09:18:48 <kapy> yeah nhnt11
09:20:00 <nhnt11> kapy: Are you interested in working on Instantbird then?
09:20:07 * nhnt11 feels like he's seen you here before.
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09:47:43 <nhnt11> Hmm, opening the blist using Cmd+Shift+C opens it as a non-resizable window
09:47:46 <nhnt11> This is a regression, right?
09:47:50 * nhnt11 hasn't noticed it before
09:47:55 <nhnt11> Let me try on 1.5..
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09:48:54 <nhnt11> Aha, happens on 1.5 too
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09:49:36 <nhnt11> I've had this happen before where I couldn't resize the blist, but I never found STR...
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10:00:51 <instantbot> New Instantbird - Contacts window bug 1108330 filed by nhnt11@gmail.com.
10:00:52 <instantbot> Bug https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=1108330 nor, --, ---, nobody, NEW, Buddy list window not resizable when opened using Cmd+Shift+C
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10:31:44 <nhnt11> aleth: Yes (re. your review comment)
10:31:55 <nhnt11> Wait, scrollIntoView() I'm not sure about
10:32:21 <nhnt11> If that works, I'll be greatly annoyed at not having discovered it earlier
10:34:09 <nhnt11> aleth: So scrollIntoView() /kinda/ works
10:34:37 <nhnt11> The selected item gets scrolled all the way to the top
10:35:15 <nhnt11> And we don't want to scroll it unless it's not visible
10:35:40 <nhnt11> So I think most of the calculations are still required
10:35:41 <aleth> You mean, it *always* scrolls?
10:36:05 <nhnt11> Yes.
10:36:05 <nhnt11> There's no documentation for scrollIntoViewOptions :-/
10:38:02 <aleth> http://dev.w3.org/csswg/cssom-view/#element-scrolling-members
10:38:05 * nhnt11 searches
10:38:22 <aleth> mdn fail, I guess
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10:39:52 <aleth> nhnt11: alignToTop is clearly mentioned though https://developer.mozilla.org/en-US/docs/Web/API/element.scrollIntoView
10:42:09 <aleth> Would it simplify the code to do something like if (!isVisible) elt.scrollIntoView(options) ?
10:42:21 <aleth> Or doesn't that give the behaviour you want?
10:44:52 <aleth> Does look a bit undocumented http://dxr.mozilla.org/mozilla-central/source/dom/base/Element.cpp#615
10:46:19 <nhnt11> aleth: Yes
10:46:23 <nhnt11> Yeah, I found it
10:46:34 <nhnt11> I wonder if there's an easy way to get the isVisible though
10:46:53 <nhnt11> My point is to find whether it's visible, I still need to do those calculations, unless I'm missing something
10:47:06 <nhnt11> I actually searched a bit and found the client rect stuff on stackoverflow
10:47:07 <aleth> No http://dxr.mozilla.org/mozilla-central/source/dom/base/Element.cpp#642
10:47:15 <aleth> sadly...
10:47:50 <nhnt11> I don't know what that link means
10:48:11 <aleth> http://dxr.mozilla.org/mozilla-central/source/layout/base/nsIPresShell.h#674
10:48:44 <aleth> it means scrollIntoView always calls the underlying scroll function with an "always scroll" flag set
10:49:08 <aleth> This is probably to ensure the element ends up fully visible and not just partially visible
10:49:40 <aleth> Annoying it doesn't use http://dxr.mozilla.org/mozilla-central/source/layout/base/nsIPresShell.h#667
10:50:16 <aleth> Hmm, given that's the default I'm not sure why the scroll_always
10:50:17 <nhnt11> Ah...
10:51:12 <nhnt11> aleth: So there's nothing to be done right? Except for changing the scrollTop arithmetic to scrollIntoView()
10:51:12 <nhnt11> I feel like just mutating scrollTop is fine though
10:51:18 <nhnt11> Since we've already done the computations
10:51:33 <nhnt11> scrollIntoView() would likely recompute everything
10:52:15 <aleth> nhnt11: If scrollIntoView doesn't simplify the code, then don't use it.
10:52:47 <nhnt11> thanks for digging up that cpp code btw
10:53:28 <nhnt11> I wonder if I could just use scrollContentIntoView on the docshell btw
10:53:40 <nhnt11> Not sure if that's exposed
10:54:05 <nhnt11> doesn't seem like something I should be doing though
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10:58:32 <nhnt11> Well, I can't find a better way to check the element's visibility in the viewport, so I'll go ahead and fix that nit and check it in
10:59:46 <nhnt11> aleth: Btw, just to be clear, ensureElementIsVisible() doesn't work because the as far as the richlistbox knows, all the items are visible.
10:59:56 <aleth> Right.
11:00:09 <aleth> All its children...
11:00:19 <nhnt11> (I was confused about why it wasn't working for a while before I realized that the listbox doesn't flex and is in another container)
11:00:39 <nhnt11> Anyway...
11:00:45 * nhnt11 will be glad to see this bug resolved
11:01:54 <aleth> Yes, that's a good improvement for keyboard users :-)
11:02:38 <nhnt11> I think more people than just "keyboard users" try typing in a contact name and finding it doesn't work very well :]
11:02:43 <nhnt11> find*
11:03:31 <nhnt11> Oh, I can't push from the library. I'll mark it checkin-needed
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11:06:25 <aleth> nhnt11: true :) one of these days we should allow people to filter properly (more than one character)
11:06:38 <nhnt11> aleth: It works for more than one character already, I think
11:07:04 <nhnt11> yeah, it does
11:07:21 <aleth> Great :-) I didn't know that
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11:07:48 <nhnt11> If I'm using the blist, I usually start typing a name and then remembering it doesn't automatically scroll.
11:08:16 <nhnt11> Yeah, it actually makes filtering the blist a much less important feature in my opinion.
11:08:33 <aleth> I guess it wasn't visibly working before ;)
11:08:56 <aleth> If it scrolls, it's more obvious.
11:09:09 <nhnt11> It was still useful, it's much easier to scroll around searching for a highlighted item than for a name
11:09:54 <nhnt11> Weirdly it doesn't work for the list of convs on hold
11:10:40 <nhnt11> That seems to imply that we have code to handle it for the contact list, but I couldn't find it with a very very very quick search
11:10:50 * nhnt11 tries again (I've got a minute :])
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11:33:13 <aleth> wow, hiro's tackled the TB jquery bug! :-)
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12:15:37 <flo-retina> finally at home :)
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12:18:38 <flo-retina> aleth: we should make him friend of the tree just for that ;)
12:18:49 <aleth> definitely! :-)
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12:19:08 <flo-retina> 01:53:17 * flo-retina made it to Paris in time to catch his train (despite the aa flight being delayed by 1:10...)
12:19:08 <flo-retina> 01:53:20 - Your account is disconnected.
12:19:08 <flo-retina> This has apparently been dropped on the floor
12:19:36 <flo-retina> I was quite embarrassed in a meeting earlier this week when I was unable to send any IRC message
12:19:55 <flo-retina> I mentioned a UX mockup, and wanted to share it with other folks in the meeting
12:20:06 <flo-retina> I pulled out my laptop, opened it, connected to IRC, sent the link, and... nothing
12:20:33 <flo-retina> people (Standard8) started mocking Instantbird for not being able to send a damn IRC message (he was seeing my screen and saw I had "sent" it)
12:20:44 <flo-retina> one minute later all the messages I had sent arrived at once in the channel...
12:21:10 <aleth> heh... server side lag :P
12:21:29 <flo-retina> I'm not sure if it's a bug of the new moznet server or of Instantbird, but it seems anything we (attempt to) send just after connecting is delayed by about a minute. That's quite frustrating, especially if you have to disconnect before a minute
12:21:40 <aleth> I wish we could avoid messages being dropped altogether
12:21:42 <flo-retina> aleth: I'm pretty sure we get throttled for spamming the socket :-/
12:22:03 <aleth> flo-retina: oh right, that may be an inspircd "feature"
12:23:12 <flo-retina> of course I told Mark confidently that it was obviously the server's fault... but I'm not really convinced
12:23:28 <aleth> The debug log should tell you
12:23:31 <flo-retina> aleth: when joining a channel, do we get the list of nicks automatically, or do we request it?
12:24:10 <flo-retina> a quick inspection of the debug log doesn't tell me much unfortunately. A more thorough inspection may help, but I don't have time for it right now
12:24:16 <aleth> It's automatic 
12:24:51 <flo-retina> so... could/should we wait for the end of the list of nicks for a channel before joining the next auto-joined channel?
12:25:18 <flo-retina> I'm hoping that would avoid filling the server socket's queue, and possibly save us from being throttled
12:25:19 <aleth> That's almost impossible as the autojoins are not handled by the prpl at all
12:25:23 <flo-retina> but maybe I'm just dreaming
12:25:35 <aleth> So to do that you'd have to rewrite autojoining
12:25:57 <flo-retina> aleth: "almost impossible as the autojoins are not handled by the prpl at all" I see what you mean, but that seems like a really poor excuse. There's nothing forcing a joined channel to actually send the JOIN command synchronously.
12:25:59 <aleth> I've noticed on new moznet that reconnects are throttled more aggressively in general
12:27:04 <aleth> flo-retina: I would like to know that it will actually solve the problem before embarking on such a rewrite
12:30:43 <aleth> flo-retina: It would be a good idea to file a bug with the STR for the issue (messages not dsitributed immediately after reconnect?)
12:31:19 <flo-retina> aleth: I guess it needs more investigation
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12:52:24 <flo-retina> aleth: what I suggested doesn't seem complicated to implement to me
12:52:36 <flo-retina> aleth: just means each IRC accounts should have a queue of channels that are "pending join"
12:53:15 <flo-retina> maybe there'll be more complicated implementation details, but I can't see any
12:53:29 <flo-retina> especially now that all conversation objects already support the "pending join" state with a throbber
12:54:00 <flo-retina> well, one implementation detail is that we probably want to set a timer to avoid a channel never finishing joining and blocking the whole queue
12:54:21 <aleth> flo-retina: the annoying details are dealing with all the possible ways joining a channel can fail. Of course it's possible, but I'm certainly not going to do it without knowing it will solve something 
12:54:30 <flo-retina> but that's needed only for a real patch, not for a quick experiment to check if the idea makes sense
12:54:52 <aleth> A quick experiment only helps if you have STR for a problem
12:55:03 <flo-retina> aleth: STRs are easy
12:55:42 <aleth> Then you can quickly experiment ;)
12:55:45 <flo-retina> 1. Connect the flo-retina account. 2. As soon as "Mode +oq for flo-retina set by ChanServ" appears in #instantbird, send a message. 3. Load the log from instantbot, and notice the message arrives only 1 minute later.
12:56:23 <flo-retina> I would guess the only part specific to the flo-retina account is how many auto-joined channels I have
12:57:00 <flo-retina> aleth: certainly an experiment I would be interested in doing some day if nobody beats me to it
12:57:11 <flo-retina> I've got other experiments I want to try after discussions from the all hands
12:57:33 <flo-retina> (mostly around memory usage of the firefox front-end)
12:58:48 <flo-retina> aleth: one thing I like about the idea of the queue is that we could reorder the queue automatically to give priority to channels for which the nick list has been requested (ie. those that are open in tabs)
13:02:48 <aleth> I'd be interested to know if the channels where this happened had channel modes +j or +f
13:03:06 <aleth> Or if it happens on any channel.
13:04:23 <flo-retina> aleth: you mean the delay?
13:04:28 <aleth> Yes
13:04:59 <flo-retina> aleth: I've observed it in #media first, and observed it twice today in #instantbird (including once where my message got completely eaten because I disconnected from IRC to board the train, and had stayed connected less than a minute)
13:05:16 <flo-retina> aleth: btw, one thing I'd like to double check in the debug log is that we are not LISTing at the same time...
13:05:35 <aleth> You can't list on #moznet in the first minute after connection
13:05:51 <flo-retina> what happens if we try anyway?
13:06:11 <aleth> We get an error response.
13:06:31 <flo-retina> that doesn't cause us to get throttled more aggressively? :)
13:07:27 <aleth> No
13:07:47 <aleth> You'd only trigger a list attempt if you used the awesometab anyway.
13:08:43 <flo-retina> it's not impossible that I had an old awesometab opened somewhere
13:08:57 <flo-retina> (although I can't see one right now, and I definitely haven't closed tabs since the last time I reproduced the bug)
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13:22:20 <nhnt11> Btw, I don't think it's enough to have an awesometab open, I think you need to open a new one
13:22:29 <nhnt11> For it to request LIST again
13:22:35 <nhnt11> I'd have to check to make sure though..
13:23:46 <flo-retina> so the normal way to open the blist is http://mxr.mozilla.org/mozilla-central/source/toolkit/components/nsDefaultCLH.js#108
13:24:14 <flo-retina> and we don't seem to set defaultChromeFeatures
13:24:24 * flo-retina is confused about why the Cmd+shift+C behavior was different
13:24:41 <flo-retina> I'm pretty sure it was a regression we discussed several months ago, but never found the STRs at the itme
13:24:42 <flo-retina> *time
13:25:08 <nhnt11> Yeah, it's been annoying me at random times for a while
13:25:25 <nhnt11> flo-retina: Fwiw I don't seem to have a toolkit.defaultChromeFeatures pref
13:25:41 <nhnt11> oh, is that what you meant?
13:25:44 <nhnt11> That the pref is never set?
13:26:21 <flo-retina> right
13:26:34 <flo-retina> which means we fallback to chrome,dialog=no,all
13:26:45 <flo-retina> so I don't see why we need the "resizable" in the other case
13:26:51 <nhnt11> I'm confused
13:26:53 <nhnt11> yeah, exactly
13:27:52 <flo-retina> whose birthday present is Hiro working on? ;)
13:27:54 <aleth> That's what I gathered from the comment in the bug, so it's strange that it's needed. But if it works...
13:28:03 <flo-retina> or is it for our Christmas? :-D
13:28:21 <flo-retina> aleth: yeah, if it works I don't think it's worth investigating more
13:28:31 <nhnt11> It works.
13:28:51 <aleth> flo-retina: c-c-christmas!
13:29:34 <flo-retina> :)
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13:40:14 <clokep_work> aleth: I like that you redirected a ton of reviews to people and then randomly +ed one on that jquery bug. :-D
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13:47:26 <clokep_work> flo-retina: I Don't think it would be too hard to queue the stuff, as you said.
13:47:42 <clokep_work> And the list of nicks is gotten automatically, we do request MODE manually though, but that's just a single message back and forth
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14:07:10 <aleth> clokep_work: Did you look at the one I r+'d? I technically can't review that but it seemed pointless to bother anyone with it ;)
14:08:29 <clokep_work> aleth: Yes. :)
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15:18:53 <flo-retina> "I like that you redirected a ton of reviews to people and then randomly +ed one on that jquery bug." +1, I enjoyed that too :)
15:20:20 <aleth> don't want to be greedy ;)
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18:13:37 <Defman> ./instantbird-bin: error while loading shared libraries: libstdc++.so.6: cannot open shared object file: No such file or directory
18:13:37 <Defman> How I can solve this?
18:19:52 <aleth> Defman: install the correct build for you OS (64bit or 32bit)
18:20:45 <Defman> I can't find any link to amd64 package
18:22:01 <aleth> Defman: Oh, are you using 1.5? 
18:22:07 <Defman> Yes
18:22:43 <aleth> http://blog.instantbird.org/2014/07/linux-nightly-builds-back/
18:23:04 <aleth> We don't provide 1.5 64b builds, so you might want to switch to the nightly
18:23:23 <Defman> Okay :|
18:23:23 <aleth> Alternatively, install the missing libraries
18:24:11 <aleth> Either will work.
18:26:04 <Defman> okay, 64b works, thanks. Pidgin looks cute but I love Instantbird :D
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18:27:07 <aleth> flo-retina: Did some digging into the message delay issue, turns out there's a whole fakelag system in inspircd that assigns time penalties to every command. So it is related to the way we autojoin, but may not just be the JOIN commands that need to be investigated to avoid it
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18:28:00 <flo-retina> aleth: interesting; is there a human readable explanation of how the penalties are assigned?
18:28:10 <aleth> flo-retina: No, there's just code.
18:28:15 <flo-retina> :(
18:28:30 <aleth> But I was chatting to the guys on #inspircd and so I know roughly where to find it
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18:32:13 <Defman> Okay, I can't connect to irc.mozilla.org after disconnecting...
18:34:14 <aleth> Defman: You probably just got throttled by the server for too many reconnects too quickly
18:34:22 <aleth> Unless there's an error message.
18:34:44 <Defman> But why I can connect to same server via Pidgin?
18:35:08 <flo-retina> Defman: which error message do you get?
18:35:17 <aleth> Defman: You have to give us more information
18:35:23 <Defman> No errors
18:35:42 <Defman> But after 30 seconds my connection lost
18:38:09 <aleth> Try disconnecting and reconnecting from the account manager, if it still happens, right click on the account and pastebin a debug log after the next connection failure
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18:39:26 <Defman1> Test
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18:40:22 <Defman1> Lol
18:40:35 <Defman1> I can connect again only If I reboot the program
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18:41:05 <Defman21> okay
18:41:16 <Defman21> I solve my problem by some magic
18:41:19 <Defman21> I don't know how :D
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18:43:20 <Defman> Okay I'm not solve my problem
18:43:29 <Defman> prpl-irc: Received unexpected ERROR response:
18:43:29 <Defman> Closing link: (Instantbird@<my ip>) [Registration timeout]
18:44:18 <aleth> Did you configure your account settings with the right password?
18:44:31 <Defman> I don't have any passwords in IRC
18:44:58 <aleth> Hmm, then file a bug please
18:45:25 <Defman> Okay
18:46:17 <aleth> flo-retina: Linux64 nightlies have been busted for a while with compiler errors like "{standard input}:265090: Error: unknown pseudo-op: `.lon' g++: internal compiler error: Killed (program cc1plus) Please submit a full bug report, with preprocessed source if appropriate. See <http://gcc.gnu.org/bugs.html> for instructions."
18:46:24 <aleth> flo-retina: have you seen that kind of thing before?
18:46:42 <flo-retina> no
18:46:47 <flo-retina> is it failing consistently?
18:46:52 <flo-retina> or randomly on different files?
18:47:12 <flo-retina> ie. Is it a compiler problem or the hardware of that machine that's dying?
18:47:52 <aleth> I'm not sure
18:48:34 <Defman> What Component I must choose?
18:49:38 <aleth> flo-retina: It seems intermittent (not every build fails) but it seems to happen in Unified_cpp_layout_base1.o. The specific compiler error is not the same though
18:49:58 <aleth> Defman: Chat Core -> IRC
18:50:25 <Defman> O_o
18:50:33 <Defman> I can't find it on "File a bug" page
18:50:52 <Defman> I can see only "Accout manager", "Account wizard", etc.
18:51:07 <aleth> Defman: https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/enter_bug.cgi?product=Chat%20Core
18:51:21 <Defman> :|
18:53:04 <instantbot> New Chat Core - IRC bug 1108393 filed by thefyro1@gmail.com.
18:53:05 <instantbot> Bug https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=1108393 nor, --, ---, nobody, UNCO, Can't connect to IRC server again after disconnecting
18:53:13 <Defman> Thanks instantbot
18:53:14 <instantbot> Defman: np
18:53:31 <flo-retina> aleth: I noticed a while ago that the Linux64 machine took _way_ longer than the 32bit one to make builds, a difference for which I see no obvious (good) explanation; so I started wondering if that machine isn't somehow dying.
18:54:06 <flo-retina> good thing I still have 8 spares ;)
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18:54:21 <aleth> Defman: please attach a debug log!
18:54:34 <aleth> You can strip it of personal info.
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18:57:25 <Defman> Okay
18:57:51 <Defman> It looks like necromantic magic
18:59:26 <aleth> Sure, the IRC protocol is based on the works of H.P. Lovecraft
18:59:33 <nhnt11> aleth: I'm doing im/ checkin-needed, including bug 1107850. FYI.
18:59:35 <instantbot> Bug https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=1107850 min, --, ---, aleth, ASSI, Minimum width of typing notification panels is too big
18:59:54 <aleth> nhnt11: Thanks!
19:03:12 <instantbot> nhnt11@gmail.com changed the Resolution on bug 1107850 from --- to FIXED.
19:03:14 <instantbot> Bug https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=1107850 min, --, 1.6, aleth, RESO FIXED, Minimum width of typing notification panels is too big
19:03:53 <instantbot> nhnt11@gmail.com changed the Resolution on bug 1108330 from --- to FIXED.
19:03:54 <instantbot> Bug https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=1108330 nor, --, 1.6, nobody, RESO FIXED, Buddy list window not resizable when opened using Cmd+Shift+C
19:04:03 <instantbot> nhnt11@gmail.com changed the Resolution on bug 954564 from --- to FIXED.
19:04:04 <instantbot> Bug https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=954564 nor, --, 1.6, nhnt11, RESO FIXED, Newly selected contacts don't get scrolled into view.
19:07:25 <nhnt11> bug 955733 is WONTFIX, right?
19:07:27 <instantbot> Bug https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=955733 min, --, ---, nobody, NEW, /ba is not a supported command.
19:07:27 <nhnt11> sorry
19:07:30 <nhnt11> I meant WFM
19:09:19 * nhnt11 wants to confirm before resolving that since flo filed it
19:10:43 <aleth> I think that's a dupe
19:10:53 <nhnt11> of something already resolved?
19:10:56 <aleth> Yes
19:11:15 * nhnt11 searches
19:12:57 <nhnt11> found it
19:14:08 <instantbot> nhnt11@gmail.com changed the Resolution on bug 955733 from --- to DUPLICATE.
19:14:09 <instantbot> Bug https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=955733 min, --, ---, nobody, RESO DUPLICATE, /ba is not a supported command.
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