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00:11:20 <-- Bollebib has quit (Connection closed) 00:13:33 --> BillBinkley has joined #instantbird 00:15:44 <-- BillBinkley has quit (Quit: Instantbird 1.5 -- http://www.instantbird.com) 00:19:36 <instantbot> New Instantbird - Other bug 1105889 filed by aleth@instantbird.org. 00:19:37 <instantbot> Bug https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=1105889 nor, --, ---, nobody, NEW, Libpurple proxy preferences are broken 00:19:48 <aleth> Fearful: I filed it for you 00:20:41 <-- momiga has quit (Changing host) 00:20:41 --> momiga has joined #instantbird 00:25:10 <-- Hoony has quit (Client exited) 00:51:24 * Fallen is now known as Fallen|away 01:17:42 --> Hoony has joined #instantbird 01:37:02 <-- Tobin has quit (Ping timeout: 121 seconds) 01:50:48 <-- aleth has quit (Quit: :tiuQ) 01:58:26 --> Tobin has joined #instantbird 01:58:50 --> DGMurdockIII has joined #instantbird 02:08:22 <-- mpmc has quit (Quit: Instantbird 1.6a1pre -- http://www.instantbird.com) 02:18:05 <-- Mook_as has quit (Client exited) 03:51:28 <-- Rym_ has quit (Connection closed) 03:52:24 --> Rym_ has joined #instantbird 03:58:41 --> mconley has joined #instantbird 04:09:09 <Fearful> ahh just noticed 04:14:55 <-- EionRobb has quit (Quit: Leaving.) 04:15:59 <-- sherief has quit (Ping timeout: 121 seconds) 04:31:24 <instant-buildbot> build #1591 of win32-nightly-default is complete: Success [3build successful] Build details are at http://buildbot.instantbird.org/builders/win32-nightly-default/builds/1591 04:54:08 --> Mook has joined #instantbird 04:57:39 <instant-buildbot> build #1241 of linux-nightly-default is complete: Success [3build successful] Build details are at http://buildbot.instantbird.org/builders/linux-nightly-default/builds/1241 05:00:12 <-- mconley has quit (Connection closed) 05:01:16 <-- Rym_ has quit (Connection closed) 05:01:43 --> Rym_ has joined #instantbird 05:07:38 --> Bollebib has joined #instantbird 05:08:57 <instant-buildbot> build #2441 of macosx-nightly-default is complete: Success [3build successful] Build details are at http://buildbot.instantbird.org/builders/macosx-nightly-default/builds/2441 05:37:07 <-- Hoony has quit (Client exited) 05:37:20 --> Hoony has joined #instantbird 05:37:35 <-- Hoony has quit (Client exited) 05:50:14 <-- Bollebib has quit (Quit: Instantbird 1.5 -- http://www.instantbird.com) 05:59:34 <-- Rym_ has quit (Connection closed) 06:00:38 --> Rym_ has joined #instantbird 06:10:25 <-- DGMurdockIII has quit (Quit: Leaving) 06:20:40 --> Defman has joined #instantbird 06:26:15 --> Widdershins has joined #instantbird 06:26:34 --> Hoony has joined #instantbird 06:47:46 <-- Rym_ has quit (Ping timeout: 121 seconds) 07:11:01 --> mhs has joined #instantbird 07:15:02 --> Rym_ has joined #instantbird 07:19:26 <-- Rym_ has quit (Ping timeout: 121 seconds) 07:54:58 <-- Patrick has quit (Quit: Instantbird 1.6a1pre -- http://www.instantbird.com) 08:09:10 --> Rym_ has joined #instantbird 08:13:37 <-- Rym_ has quit (Ping timeout: 121 seconds) 08:23:00 <-- Widdershins has quit (Ping timeout: 121 seconds) 08:30:46 --> aleth has joined #instantbird 08:30:47 * ChanServ sets mode +o aleth 08:34:47 <-- aleth has quit (Quit: :tiuQ) 08:34:49 --> aleth has joined #instantbird 08:34:50 * ChanServ sets mode +o aleth 08:36:04 <instant-buildbot> build #137 of linux64-nightly-default is complete: Success [3build successful] Build details are at http://buildbot.instantbird.org/builders/linux64-nightly-default/builds/137 08:48:36 <-- Mook has quit (Client exited) 08:58:35 * Fallen|away is now known as Fallen 08:58:39 --> iLobster has joined #instantbird 08:58:57 <iLobster> Good day 09:03:23 --> mpmc has joined #instantbird 09:06:19 <iLobster> Are there any news about gtalk connection problem? Instanbird nightly force-updated few days ago (autoupdate was disabled in settings) and i "lost' my gtalk again >< 09:08:34 <iLobster> d'oh, now it's working, looks like false alarm. Stupid google >< 09:08:54 <-- iLobster has quit (Quit: ChatZilla 0.9.91 [Firefox 33.1/20141106120505]) 09:13:00 <-- Defman has quit (Quit: My Double-Powered Atomic Reactor has gone to sleep. caaBOOOOM! ZZZzzz....) 09:32:28 <-- Hoony has quit (Client exited) 09:32:33 --> bernard has joined #instantbird 09:33:17 --> gerard-majax has joined #instantbird 09:39:53 <-- gerard-majax has quit (Ping timeout: 121 seconds) 09:40:30 <-- bernard has quit (Connection closed) 09:43:09 --> bernard has joined #instantbird 09:43:38 <-- bernard has quit (Quit: Leaving.) 09:43:44 --> bernard has joined #instantbird 09:45:05 <-- chrisccoulson has quit (Ping timeout: 121 seconds) 09:52:30 <-- bernard has quit (Quit: Leaving.) 09:55:41 --> bernard has joined #instantbird 09:57:54 --> chrisccoulson has joined #instantbird 10:01:03 <-- flo-retina has quit (Quit: Instantbird 1.6a1pre -- http://www.instantbird.com) 10:01:07 --> flo-retina has joined #instantbird 10:01:08 * ChanServ sets mode +qo flo-retina flo-retina 10:01:58 <flo-retina> Hello GTalk! :) 10:11:06 <-- aleth has quit (Connection closed) 10:11:11 --> aleth has joined #instantbird 10:11:12 * ChanServ sets mode +o aleth 10:13:14 <aleth> and hello broken tab CSS :-/ 10:14:29 <flo-retina> what's broken? 10:16:02 <aleth> http://puu.sh/d8BBe/9c51f1c11f.png 10:18:41 <flo-retina> aleth: broken update? 10:18:45 <flo-retina> aleth: I don't see this. 10:18:56 <flo-retina> ah, I do see this. 10:19:00 <flo-retina> On non-retina only. 10:19:11 <aleth> Must be some removed rule 10:19:23 <flo-retina> wait, no 10:19:40 <flo-retina> I moved my window to the retina screen again (fix it), and then to the non retina screen again (and it still looks OK) 10:19:44 <-- nhnt11 has quit (Ping timeout: 121 seconds) 10:20:09 <flo-retina> aleth: I can't reproduce a second time :-/ 10:20:21 <aleth> When I open a new window from hold, it looks OK too 10:20:38 <flo-retina> :-/ 10:20:44 <aleth> So it's intermittent and not CSS :-( 10:20:51 --> nhnt11 has joined #instantbird 10:20:51 * ChanServ sets mode +h nhnt11 10:21:05 <flo-retina> async loading of some images used by the CSS not working properly? 10:21:15 <flo-retina> (and then once they are cached there's no more problem) 10:22:03 <aleth> That sounds plausible 10:30:10 <-- chrisccoulson has quit (Ping timeout: 121 seconds) 10:36:58 <-- bernard has quit (Ping timeout: 121 seconds) 10:40:43 --> Armada has joined #instantbird 10:42:46 --> bernard1 has joined #instantbird 10:43:42 --> bernard has joined #instantbird 10:44:39 --> gerard-majax has joined #instantbird 10:46:28 --> chrisccoulson has joined #instantbird 10:46:53 <-- bernard1 has quit (Ping timeout: 121 seconds) 10:51:39 --> Rym_ has joined #instantbird 10:56:06 <-- Rym_ has quit (Ping timeout: 121 seconds) 10:56:06 <-- aleth has quit (Ping timeout: 121 seconds) 11:11:43 --> Hoony has joined #instantbird 11:24:39 --> Hoony1 has joined #instantbird 11:25:55 <-- Hoony has quit (Ping timeout: 121 seconds) 11:26:58 <-- nhnt11 has quit (Quit: Instantbird 1.6a1pre -- http://www.instantbird.com) 11:27:05 --> nhnt11 has joined #instantbird 11:27:05 * ChanServ sets mode +h nhnt11 11:27:44 <-- nhnt11 has quit (Quit: Instantbird 1.6a1pre -- http://www.instantbird.com) 11:27:55 --> nhnt11 has joined #instantbird 11:27:55 * ChanServ sets mode +h nhnt11 11:45:48 --> Rym_ has joined #instantbird 11:50:18 <-- Rym_ has quit (Ping timeout: 121 seconds) 12:00:27 <-- nhnt11 has quit (Ping timeout: 121 seconds) 12:01:27 --> aleth has joined #instantbird 12:01:28 * ChanServ sets mode +o aleth 12:09:34 <aleth> The broken tabs are back 12:09:43 <aleth> So whatever it is, it's not simple 12:13:47 --> sherief has joined #instantbird 12:15:48 <-- chrisccoulson has quit (Ping timeout: 121 seconds) 12:18:41 --> Bollebib has joined #instantbird 12:39:58 --> Rym_ has joined #instantbird 12:44:27 <-- Rym_ has quit (Ping timeout: 121 seconds) 12:49:32 <-- aleth has quit (Ping timeout: 121 seconds) 12:51:22 --> aleth has joined #instantbird 12:51:23 * ChanServ sets mode +o aleth 12:51:28 --> chrisccoulson has joined #instantbird 12:58:01 --> nhnt11 has joined #instantbird 12:58:01 * ChanServ sets mode +h nhnt11 12:59:26 <-- aleth has quit (Ping timeout: 121 seconds) 13:00:22 <nhnt11> Hmm, tab images are a bit broken, yeah 13:00:29 <-- Hoony1 has quit (Client exited) 13:00:37 <nhnt11> The hover image is currently totally broken for me.. 13:00:42 <nhnt11> ok now it's back, wow. 13:04:51 <-- Tonnes has quit (Connection closed) 13:10:55 <-- nhnt11 has quit (Ping timeout: 121 seconds) 13:17:19 <-- bernard has quit (Quit: Leaving.) 13:17:57 --> aleth has joined #instantbird 13:17:58 * ChanServ sets mode +o aleth 13:26:45 <-- Even has quit (Ping timeout: 121 seconds) 13:28:06 --> Even has joined #instantbird 13:28:07 * ChanServ sets mode +o Even 13:33:18 --> Tonnes has joined #instantbird 13:34:08 --> Rym_ has joined #instantbird 13:38:37 <-- Rym_ has quit (Ping timeout: 121 seconds) 13:54:55 --> Hoony has joined #instantbird 14:03:53 --> bernard has joined #instantbird 14:28:19 --> Rym_ has joined #instantbird 14:32:48 <-- Rym_ has quit (Ping timeout: 121 seconds) 14:33:34 --> clokep_work has joined #instantbird 14:33:34 * ChanServ sets mode +o clokep_work 14:49:39 <clokep_work> aleth: So are exceptions in commands not caught anywhere? 14:50:21 <aleth> What would you do on catching them? 14:51:09 <flo-retina> aleth: put the error in the console and the account's debug log? 14:51:20 <aleth> The error is put into the console. 14:51:28 <clokep_work> Oh OK. 14:51:44 <clokep_work> Stinks that there's no feedback about it though to the user. :( 14:51:47 <aleth> The guy just didn't know there was a console. 14:52:33 <flo-retina> that tab bug is annoying 14:52:37 <flo-retina> now I have it again 14:52:40 <flo-retina> and on the retina screen 14:53:01 <flo-retina> only when hovering non-selected tabs 14:53:08 <aleth> The 'feedback' is that it's impossible to 'send' the command (the input box doesn't get cleared). That's not terrible (seeing as the user can't do anything about IB bugs) 14:53:31 <aleth> flo-retina: I'm seeing it almost all the time 14:53:55 <clokep_work> aleth: Yep I agree. The only other reasonable thign would be put to print "There was an error processing your command or something"? 14:54:24 <aleth> yes, and I'm not sure that's better. 14:54:46 <aleth> "an unknown error occured, click here to file on BMO" :P 14:55:46 <flo-retina> "send some cookies if you want to increase the likelihood of it being fixed" 14:57:34 <aleth> good place for a donate link? ;) 15:00:34 <clokep_work> Something like that would be neat though, yes. :) 15:10:16 --> mconley has joined #instantbird 15:17:33 <-- aleth has quit (Ping timeout: 121 seconds) 15:20:44 <-- clokep_work has quit (Ping timeout: 121 seconds) 15:22:28 --> Rym_ has joined #instantbird 15:43:38 <mhs> to whoever made it happen - thanks for fixing the gtalk-bug! 15:59:40 --> Defman has joined #instantbird 16:02:44 --> nhnt11 has joined #instantbird 16:02:44 * ChanServ sets mode +h nhnt11 16:08:47 --> aleth has joined #instantbird 16:08:47 * ChanServ sets mode +o aleth 16:08:47 <-- nhnt11 has quit (Ping timeout: 121 seconds) 16:13:06 <-- Hoony has quit (Client exited) 16:33:10 --> clokep_work has joined #instantbird 16:33:10 * ChanServ sets mode +o clokep_work 16:34:57 <clokep_work> mhs: We didn't fix anything, they added a hack into the networking code to handle servers that weren't updating. 16:37:37 <mhs> well ... equally fine from my point of view :-) 16:38:06 <clokep_work> aleth: What about a little checkmark in the bottom left of the buddy icon? 16:38:09 <clokep_work> (Opposite the status) 16:38:25 <aleth> For...? 16:38:50 <clokep_work> aleth: OTR, sorry...obviously you wouldn't know I just read the OTR email chain. :-D 16:40:08 <aleth> Sounds good to me! 16:40:41 <aleth> Of course it might look a bit cluttered... 16:41:12 <aleth> Probably needs a mockup. 16:41:57 <clokep_work> Yeah, maybe. :-\ 16:42:23 <aleth> For now I'm still a bit confused about how finegrained this UI needs to be. 16:42:35 --> nhnt11 has joined #instantbird 16:42:35 * ChanServ sets mode +h nhnt11 16:42:58 <clokep_work> Yeah. :-\ I'm unsure exactly when each piece of information needs to be displayed. 16:43:17 * nhnt11 disagrees with a checkmark 16:43:21 <nhnt11> Doesn't make me think of anything otr related 16:43:36 <nhnt11> if anything, the most widespread of the checkmark these days is for read receipts 16:44:28 <clokep_work> nhnt11: Maybe a "checkmark" is a bad idea, my point was the *location*, not the icon. 16:45:03 <nhnt11> Okay 16:45:09 <aleth> clokep_work: I'm thinking it should be unobtrusive and if you click on it, you get some verbose info (similar to the FX doorhanger) 16:46:14 <aleth> The big question for me is, at what security/privacy level we use an icon that suggests "everything is secure" (e.g. a grey lock/green lock) 16:47:17 <clokep_work> Yeah...I'm unsure if we want to mix up SSL connections in this UI element btw. 16:48:07 <aleth> Yeah. I brought it up because showing an unlocked icon when we are connecting to the server via SSL may be confusing. But maybe that's just me, and it doesn't matter if clicking on it gives details. 16:48:51 <clokep_work> Yeah...I'm afraid using a l ock icon will be confusing. 16:49:57 <clokep_work> I think I meant more of a green ribbon...I think that was the old certificate UI. 16:50:01 <clokep_work> But meh. 16:50:06 <aleth> On the other hand, aorlorla made a good point that in IM, connecting to the server via SSL doesn't mean end-to-end encryption like it does on the web, so maybe a lock icon is appropriate only if OTR is used. 16:50:22 <clokep_work> True. :) 16:53:41 <-- gerard-majax has quit (Ping timeout: 121 seconds) 16:57:38 <-- aleth has quit (Quit: :tiuQ) 17:05:16 <-- chrisccoulson has quit (Ping timeout: 121 seconds) 17:16:17 <-- bernard has quit (Quit: Leaving.) 17:21:24 --> chrisccoulson has joined #instantbird 17:21:54 --> aleth has joined #instantbird 17:21:54 * ChanServ sets mode +o aleth 17:25:27 <nhnt11> aleth: I'm looking at your patch. Is any of that copied over from Fx code? 17:25:32 <aleth> No 17:25:41 <nhnt11> I'll look up XULBrowserWindow then. 17:26:18 <aleth> instantbird.js 17:27:47 <nhnt11> yeah, just realized :) 17:27:54 <nhnt11> Interesting 17:28:00 <aleth> *that* is ported. 17:28:06 <nhnt11> yup, saw the comment. 17:30:16 <clokep_work> aleth: "This means that in a channel, this command would offer no way to set global user modes." exactly. 17:30:45 <aleth> I'm OK with that btw 17:31:25 <nhnt11> aleth: "We also need to reset the statusPanel label directly, as the XULBrowserWindow update we triggered already acts on the visible panel." I understand from this that XULBrowserWindow.setStatus affect the newly visible status panel, and we want to also change the newly /hidden/ panel as well. Is that right? 17:31:33 <aleth> nhnt11: Yes 17:32:41 <nhnt11> What if someone is typing in another tab, and then I switch to that tab? Will the status panel be cleared by the setStatus("") call? 17:32:58 <nhnt11> (Shouldn't it be set to "so and so is typing..."?) 17:33:00 <aleth> No, because when you select a tab, updateTyping() is called in conversation.xml 17:33:06 <aleth> This happens later. 17:33:15 <nhnt11> And that happens after the visibilitychange event for sure? 17:33:15 <nhnt11> ok 17:33:16 <nhnt11> thanks 17:33:28 <aleth> But please check it works that way! I don't have any contacts that send typing notifications to test with 17:33:37 <aleth> I only simulated it. 17:33:47 <nhnt11> okay. 17:34:56 <nhnt11> I don't think anybody is online that I can test this with at the moment 17:35:10 <nhnt11> I might just test it with myself, but that's a tad bit difficult... let's se 17:35:11 <nhnt11> see* 17:44:06 --> nhnt11-testing has joined #instantbird 17:52:55 <-- mpmc has quit (Quit: Instantbird 1.6a1pre -- http://www.instantbird.com) 17:53:58 <nhnt11> aleth: Doesn't work 17:54:10 <nhnt11> I mean 17:54:23 <nhnt11> If you switch to a tab in which the other person is already typing 17:54:27 <nhnt11> no status panel 17:54:54 <aleth> OK, thanks 17:55:03 <aleth> What if you just remove the XULBrowserWindow lines? 17:56:26 <-- nhnt11-testing has quit (Quit: Instantbird 1.6a1pre -- http://www.instantbird.com) 17:59:23 <nhnt11> aleth: no use 17:59:47 <aleth> Hmm, that means the problem with that is not in my patch. 17:59:48 <nhnt11> Also note that if he's typing, and I switch away, and switch back before he finishes typing, it gets cleared. 18:00:23 <aleth> Thanks, that should be helpful 18:00:39 <nhnt11> aleth: So I think you should do something in the onSelect in conversation.xml 18:00:42 <aleth> Aah, I know what it i 18:00:45 <nhnt11> Just a guess. 18:00:45 <aleth> is 18:00:48 <nhnt11> okay 18:01:00 <aleth> That aready does something, but not the right thing it seems :) 18:01:11 <nhnt11> aleth: Difficult to test further, the guy I'm testing with is busy :-/ 18:01:20 <aleth> np, that should do! 18:01:22 <aleth> thanks 18:01:26 <nhnt11> Unfortunately my local build is old enough that gtalk doesn't work on it 18:01:35 <nhnt11> Need to pull m-c and build when I'm in my room 18:03:14 * nhnt11 quickly r-'s before aleth can upload another patch 18:03:31 --> MattATobin has joined #instantbird 18:03:35 <aleth> no worries, it won't be until later 18:03:40 <nhnt11> :P 18:06:27 <-- Tobin has quit (Ping timeout: 121 seconds) 18:11:20 --> Mook_as has joined #instantbird 18:22:20 <-- mhs has quit (Quit: Instantbird 1.6a1pre -- http://www.instantbird.com) 18:24:47 <-- nhnt11 has quit (Ping timeout: 121 seconds) 19:14:13 <-- Fallen has quit (Ping timeout: 121 seconds) 19:17:23 --> Fallen has joined #instantbird 19:45:31 --> gerard-majax has joined #instantbird 19:47:20 --> nhnt11 has joined #instantbird 19:47:20 * ChanServ sets mode +h nhnt11 20:04:16 * MattATobin is now known as Tobin 21:13:16 <-- clokep_work has quit (Ping timeout: 121 seconds) 21:50:42 <-- momiga has quit (Changing host) 21:50:42 --> momiga has joined #instantbird 22:06:35 <-- Defman has quit (Quit: My Double-Powered Atomic Reactor has gone to sleep. caaBOOOOM! 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