#instantbird log on 11 18 2014

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00:10:02 <clokep> To be clear that's "test" not "eat".
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00:43:40 <EionRobb> clokep: I was hoping you were inviting me to estimate things :(
00:47:55 <clokep> EionRobb: We can do that too, I have a jar with some coins in it, we can estimate the amount of money?
00:48:05 <EionRobb> :D
00:48:09 <EionRobb> do I have you on the skypes?
00:48:16 <clokep> I doubt it.
00:48:29 <clokep> I don't even know if I have skype installer
00:48:34 <clokep> s/er/ed/
00:48:40 <EionRobb> there's a lot of people who could be you
00:48:55 <clokep> The name I use is clokep. :)
00:48:56 <EionRobb> are you Troy, US?
00:49:05 <clokep> Uhhh possibly my old name!
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02:16:51 <instantbot> New Instantbird - Other bug 1100717 filed by robert.strong.bugs@gmail.com.
02:16:52 <instantbot> Bug https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=1100717 nor, --, ---, nobody, NEW, Remove use of FindSMProgramsDir macro in installer.nsi, uninstaller.nsi, and shared.nsh
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04:25:51 <instant-buildbot> build #1579 of win32-nightly-default is complete: Success [3build successful]  Build details are at http://buildbot.instantbird.org/builders/win32-nightly-default/builds/1579
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04:55:10 <instant-buildbot> build #1230 of linux-nightly-default is complete: Success [3build successful]  Build details are at http://buildbot.instantbird.org/builders/linux-nightly-default/builds/1230
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05:00:09 <instant-buildbot> build #2426 of macosx-nightly-default is complete: Success [3build successful]  Build details are at http://buildbot.instantbird.org/builders/macosx-nightly-default/builds/2426
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06:28:10 <instant-buildbot> build #126 of linux64-nightly-default is complete: Success [3build successful]  Build details are at http://buildbot.instantbird.org/builders/linux64-nightly-default/builds/126
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07:16:57 <flo-retina> bug 1100717 is the first time rstrong files a bug for us, right? :)
07:16:59 <instantbot> Bug https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=1100717 nor, --, ---, nobody, NEW, Remove use of FindSMProgramsDir macro in installer.nsi, uninstaller.nsi, and shared.nsh
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11:28:22 <clokep> flo-retina: I think so! I'm honestly not entirely sure who he is, just that i recognize the name. :)
11:28:37 <clokep> Do you have any idea how painful that bug will be? I try not to crack open the nsi files...
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11:49:38 <flo-retina> clokep: he's the guy in charge of platform integration for toolkit/Firefox, and more specifically he's doing all the installer/updater work
11:49:54 <flo-retina> it's nice that he knows we exist and looks at our code to see what needs fixing :)
11:52:14 <clokep> I suspect he did a search in c-c and saw we used something, but still nice, yes. :)
11:53:23 <flo-retina> clokep: still means he knows that "im/" bugs go in the "Instantbird" product ;)
11:54:32 <clokep> :) True.
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13:09:06 <aleth_dev> IB on Linux 64 is incredibly crashy :-S
13:09:37 <aleth_dev> And that's after running into the password bug (I wonder if that could land, given clokep's r+?)
13:10:26 <clokep_work> aleth_dev: Well we can. But you had mentioned florian wanted to look at it. ;)
13:11:09 <aleth_dev> That was a question for him ;) I just forgot to ping flo-retina
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13:11:54 <aleth_dev> There's something wrong with the context menus too (for which I'd blame KDE, but Firefox seems to be fine)
13:14:42 <aleth_dev> Is it a known bug that crash reports don't get submitted, or just a local issue?
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13:29:15 <flo-retina> aleth_dev: is the background of your context menu transparent?
13:29:20 <aleth_dev> flo-retina: Yes
13:29:26 <flo-retina> Even (also using KDE) complained about that a while ago
13:29:40 <flo-retina> aleth_dev: my guess is we need to add/port a background CSS rule somewhere
13:29:46 <aleth_dev> And interestingly, if you once get to the point where it is no longer transparent, IB becomes stable
13:29:53 <aleth_dev> I doubt this is a CSS issue.
13:31:24 <aleth_dev> My guess was some startup issue (something going async and us not waiting on it?)
13:44:09 <aleth_dev> bug 578440 maybe?
13:44:12 <instantbot> Bug https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=578440 maj, --, seamonkey2.1a3, philip.chee, RESO FIXED, Use <menupopup> instead of <popup>
13:46:10 <aleth_dev> seems too long ago though...
13:49:56 <flo-retina> quite possible
13:52:17 <aleth_dev> Hmm yes, we do still seem to have some popup elements
13:54:49 <aleth_dev> Not in most of the places I saw transparent menus though
13:55:55 <flo-retina> ah, I thought it was only one place (the context menu)
13:56:10 <aleth_dev> No, I've also seen it in the normal menu
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18:04:30 <Mook_as> Hi! Dumb question: is anything happening with bug 1092701 (gtalk/ssl in nightlies)?
18:04:33 <instantbot> Bug https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=1092701 nor, --, ---, nobody, NEW, Cannot connect to Google Talk
18:06:03 <aleth> We're still hoping for Google to do something about it afaik
18:06:22 <aleth> The details are in the bug.
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18:12:35 <Mook_as> Yep, I'm CCed. Just that it's been a week, but prodding people via bugmail seemed to be too invasive.
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18:17:34 <clokep_work> Mook_as: Didn't I needinfo a bunch of people?
18:18:00 <clokep_work> Huh...I guess I never hit submit? :-S
18:18:03 <clokep_work> I wonder where that tab went...
18:19:08 <clokep_work> Mook_as: I'll poke people today.
18:19:15 <Mook_as> Thanks :)
18:19:49 <Mook_as> (if I'm poking too often, I can stop, too)
18:27:50 <clokep_work> Mook_as: Not yet.
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19:30:42 <clokep_work> Meh just ran into the "people not on your buddy list have no status" issue.
19:31:28 <EionRobb> how does IB handle those type of buddies?
19:32:30 <EionRobb> libpurple does it pretty badly (I had hoped to see a hidden group or a shadow-buddylist for 3.0) so I'm curious to know how IB does it :)
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19:32:44 <clokep_work> EionRobb: We don't. :P That's the issue.
19:32:54 <clokep_work> EionRobb: Those are solutions we've discussed though.
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19:53:16 <EionRobb> so the messaging side of skype4web uses hmac-sha256 hashing.... does IB have that for js-prpls (not that I'm intending on writing a js prpl just yet! :P)
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19:57:03 <clokep_work> EionRobb: Ifwe can use ctypes, likely.
19:57:26 <EionRobb> it's used in aim... not sure if you have a js-prpl for that?
19:57:56 <EionRobb> also the skype4web impl is a javascript version of the hashing cipher, so I'm sure it can be done :)
19:58:00 <clokep_work> EionRobb: It is available in https://developer.mozilla.org/en-US/docs/Mozilla/Tech/XPCOM/Reference/Interface/nsICryptoHMAC
19:58:07 <EionRobb> ah ok
19:58:17 <clokep_work> EionRobb: This mean you have docs available? ;)
19:58:26 <EionRobb> I'm 80% through the docs
19:58:31 * clokep_work suspects he's in for a late night if so...
19:58:55 <EionRobb> I have the buddy list, avatars, auth requests, sign on stuff 100% done
19:59:05 <EionRobb> but the messaging is held up by the hash
19:59:21 <EionRobb> but after that point, I have the http-long polling stuff and message send/receiving and typing notifications documented
19:59:48 <clokep_work> :) Cool.
20:00:04 <EionRobb> I'm trying to see if there's more than just Available and Invisible  statuses.... nothing else is settable from the UI but it might be in the underlying 'protocol'
20:00:12 <EionRobb> it makes lots of references to msnp24 everywhere
20:00:54 <clokep_work> :)
20:01:03 <clokep_work> And to answer your question...I have like half of OSCAR done in JS.
20:01:11 <clokep_work> Well 90% of the login done.
20:01:15 <clokep_work> And only a little bit of other stuff...
20:04:30 <EionRobb> unfortunately skype4web hasn't implemented its v/v and filetransfer stuff in webrtc yet, its still a browser plugin
20:04:50 <EionRobb> https://swx.cdn.skype.com/plugin/SkypeWebPlugin.msi
20:06:14 <clokep_work> :(
20:06:22 <clokep_work> What is skype4web?
20:06:27 <clokep_work> Is that *YOUR* code or?
20:06:32 <EionRobb> nah
20:06:41 <nhnt11> This is Skype
20:06:43 <EionRobb> https://web.skype.com/
20:06:46 <nhnt11> sorry didn't finish typing^
20:06:48 <clokep_work> EionRobb: I'm well aware of that. :)
20:06:57 <clokep_work> I didn't know what you were specficially calling "skype4web".
20:06:57 <EionRobb> that's skype4web
20:07:04 <EionRobb> that's what they call it :)
20:07:13 <EionRobb> http://blogs.skype.com/2014/11/14/please-welcome-skype-for-web-beta/
20:07:16 <EionRobb> ok, "skype for web"
20:07:17 <EionRobb> blah
20:07:31 <clokep_work> What's the browser plug-in use for those?
20:07:33 <nhnt11> Wait Skype for Web is already publicly available?
20:07:36 * nhnt11 didn't know
20:07:47 <clokep_work> It's in a beta.
20:07:50 <nhnt11> It's using WebRTC right?
20:07:57 <EionRobb> no, not using webrtc yet
20:08:19 <nhnt11> The blog post says "With WebRTC, there won’t be any downloads or installs – you can just get straight to your conversation." :S
20:08:29 <nhnt11> Oh
20:08:31 <nhnt11> In the future
20:08:33 <EionRobb> the sentence before :)
20:08:34 <nhnt11> Okay :)
20:09:09 <EionRobb> clokep_work: "what's the browser plug-in use for those?"?  like, what protocol?
20:09:15 <nhnt11> Looks like this is coinciding with the Ib WebRTC efforts nicely :)
20:09:32 <clokep_work> EionRobb: Yeah, I assume it's just the old Skype video stuff though.
20:10:33 <EionRobb> yeah, there's an 11MiB 'SkypeCore.dll' in there that seems to be full of old skype functions... kinda looks like old skypekit
20:11:19 <clokep_work> Hahah. That's likely.
20:11:25 <EionRobb> lots of hard-coded ip addresses on port 12350
20:11:41 <EionRobb> its kinda weird seeing a skype binary that isn't obfuscaed and anti-debugged and stuff
20:12:01 <EionRobb> I wonder where the skype-open-source guys went after their blogspot blog was shut down
20:15:37 <EionRobb> lol they moved to skype-open-source2.blogspot.com
20:15:47 <clokep_work> :)
20:27:25 <clokep_work> EionRobb: Well awesome work so far. Be pretty awesome if we got this in both Pidgin and Ib. ;)
20:35:02 <EionRobb> I have to work at the moment, but give me 12 hours to get home and finish the docs and they're all yours :)
20:35:31 <clokep_work> EionRobb: But I'm about to go home! :P
20:35:38 <clokep_work> Seems like tomorrow night I won't sleep then. ;)
20:35:39 <EionRobb> off you go then :P
20:35:58 <EionRobb> start brewing up a batch of cold-brew coffee now?
20:36:35 <clokep_work> :)
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21:55:07 <DGMurdockIII> My primary blog http://skype-open-source2.blogspot.ru/ was DMCA-ed, because of copyright infringement. I think, because of magnet links on patched skype binaries.
22:01:03 <EionRobb> DGMurdockIII: aren't your copy/paste keys worn out by now?
22:01:28 <nhnt11> c-c looks green enough for split logs i think
22:01:30 <nhnt11> aleth: ^
22:01:48 <aleth> nhnt11: go for it :)
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22:14:17 <Fearful> DGMurdockIII: I'd just ignore it 
22:17:54 <clokep> aleth: So thoughts on that password patch? I think we should push it.
22:18:04 <aleth> imho it's fine, but then I wrote it
22:19:17 <aleth> bah, I will have to port it to TB too
22:19:22 <clokep> :-D
22:21:10 <aleth> We're lucky it's mozilla32 not 31 ;)
22:24:15 * nhnt11 pushes to try
22:25:51 <nhnt11> FYI: https://tbpl.mozilla.org/?tree=Thunderbird-Try&rev=3c341ac9c7f9
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