All times are UTC.
00:05:53 <-- Mnyromyr has quit (Quit: ChatZilla 0.9.86 [SeaMonkey 1.1.19/2010030105]) 00:15:23 <-- Bollebib has quit (Connection closed) 00:18:02 <-- aleth has quit (Quit: :tuiQ) 00:38:13 --> mrphs has joined #instantbird 00:38:44 <mrphs> hey, how's that instantbird.com doesn't have an ssl cert yet? 00:39:31 --> mconley has joined #instantbird 00:40:16 <mrphs> one would imagine the correct way to do things is to redirect it to https://www.mozilla.org/en-US/instantbird 00:41:10 <mrphs> should I file a bug for that? (if so, where do i do that?) 00:49:20 <clokep> mrphs: Instantbird isn't part of mozilla. 00:49:52 <clokep> Hmm...I thought we *did* have an SSL cert though. 00:54:37 <mrphs> oh it's not? :( 00:54:58 <mrphs> instantbird.com:443 doesnt connect for me 00:55:54 <clokep> Sure, file a bug. 00:55:58 <clokep> I'm not sure why ":(" 01:27:45 <Fearful> clokep: are you a software engineer or anything for instantbird? 01:28:01 <clokep> Fearful: Why? 01:28:08 <Fearful> just wondered. :P 01:28:14 <clokep> I'm a developer for Instantbird, yes. I'm a peer of the module. 01:28:19 <Fearful> I see 01:31:14 <clokep> Any other questions? :P 01:31:42 <Fearful> well, what do you mean it isn't apart of mozilla? 01:31:53 <Fearful> I thought it was basedo n the source code or w/e 01:32:52 <clokep> We're not an official Mozilla project, we're based on the Mozilla source, yes. it uses the toolkit that's part of it. 01:33:02 <Fearful> I see 01:33:04 <clokep> And some of our code is shared with Thunderbird. 01:35:44 <clokep> Does that make sense? 01:35:51 <Fearful> yeah 01:36:07 <Fearful> I noticed the irc and another chat feature in thunderbird 01:36:11 <Fearful> is that the code it uses? 01:36:12 <Fearful> :P 01:36:20 <clokep> The backend code is all shared. 01:36:26 <Fearful> ah 01:36:37 <clokep> The UI is obviously custom to fit separately into Thunderbird vs. being a separate program. 01:36:45 <Fearful> I see 01:36:46 <clokep> And that's kind of a lie too, some UI is shared (like the tooltips.) 01:39:45 <clokep> It's complicated. ;) 01:41:35 <Fearful> yeah :P 01:42:16 <clokep> We're part of the community and such, but we don't get support directly from Mozilla. :) 01:50:20 <-- clokep has quit (Ping timeout: 121 seconds) 02:37:58 <-- nhnt11 has quit (Quit: Instantbird 1.6a1pre -- http://www.instantbird.com) 03:21:15 <-- EionRobb has quit (Connection closed) 03:21:37 --> EionRobb has joined #instantbird 04:16:10 <-- EionRobb has quit (Quit: Leaving.) 04:26:44 <instant-buildbot> build #1578 of win32-nightly-default is complete: Success [3build successful] Build details are at http://buildbot.instantbird.org/builders/win32-nightly-default/builds/1578 04:48:19 --> Tonnes has joined #instantbird 04:52:06 <instant-buildbot> build #1229 of linux-nightly-default is complete: Success [3build successful] Build details are at http://buildbot.instantbird.org/builders/linux-nightly-default/builds/1229 04:55:22 <-- gerard-majax has quit (Ping timeout: 121 seconds) 05:00:08 <instant-buildbot> build #2425 of macosx-nightly-default is complete: Success [3build successful] Build details are at http://buildbot.instantbird.org/builders/macosx-nightly-default/builds/2425 05:05:21 --> myk has joined #instantbird 05:20:52 <-- mconley has quit (Connection closed) 06:22:06 <-- myk has quit (Ping timeout: 121 seconds) 06:25:43 --> EionRobb has joined #instantbird 06:53:17 <instant-buildbot> build #125 of linux64-nightly-default is complete: Success [3build successful] Build details are at http://buildbot.instantbird.org/builders/linux64-nightly-default/builds/125 08:00:36 * Fallen|away is now known as Fallen 08:05:33 --> gerard-majax has joined #instantbird 08:14:43 --> aleth has joined #instantbird 08:14:43 * ChanServ sets mode +o aleth 08:39:02 <-- Widdershins has quit (Ping timeout: 121 seconds) 08:48:18 <-- aleth has quit (Ping timeout: 121 seconds) 09:05:47 --> aleth has joined #instantbird 09:05:47 * ChanServ sets mode +o aleth 09:45:44 --> flo-retina has joined #instantbird 09:45:44 * ChanServ sets mode +qo flo-retina flo-retina 09:48:46 --> BWMerlin has joined #instantbird 09:57:31 --> Bollebib has joined #instantbird 09:58:59 <-- EionRobb has quit (Quit: Leaving.) 11:18:34 --> clokep has joined #instantbird 11:18:34 * ChanServ sets mode +o clokep 11:23:57 <-- aleth has quit (Ping timeout: 121 seconds) 11:27:45 --> clokep_ has joined #instantbird 11:27:45 * ChanServ sets mode +o clokep_ 11:27:49 <-- clokep has quit (Ping timeout: 121 seconds) 11:28:50 * clokep_ is now known as clokep 11:34:25 --> mpmc has joined #instantbird 11:45:38 <-- gerard-majax has quit (Ping timeout: 121 seconds) 11:46:49 --> Armada has joined #instantbird 11:47:36 <clokep> flo-retina: Did you see that conversation about SSL to instnatbird.com/org. 11:47:42 <flo-retina> no 11:47:47 <flo-retina> summary? :) 11:48:08 <clokep> flo-retina: You can't connect to instantbird.com over HTTPS. 11:48:22 <flo-retina> why is that a problem? 11:48:28 * clokep shrugs. 11:48:39 <clokep> mrphs was expecting to be able to. 11:48:43 <flo-retina> users send no data to that page 11:48:47 <flo-retina> there's no privacy implications 11:49:28 <clokep> Does downloading the binary happen over SSL? 11:49:36 <flo-retina> no 11:49:43 <flo-retina> but checking https://ftp.instantbird.org/instantbird/releases/1.5/md5sum over SSL looks possible 11:49:47 <flo-retina> I think that's what matters 11:49:56 <clokep> Yes. 11:49:56 <flo-retina> arguably we should use something safer than MD5 for future releases 11:50:08 <clokep> Likely. 11:50:43 --> gerard-majax has joined #instantbird 12:04:06 <-- clokep has quit (Ping timeout: 121 seconds) 12:09:26 --> aleth has joined #instantbird 12:09:26 * ChanServ sets mode +o aleth 12:35:41 <-- BWMerlin has quit (Client exited) 12:39:45 <instantbot> New Chat Core - Twitter bug 1100331 filed by aleth@instantbird.org. 12:39:47 <instantbot> Bug https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=1100331 nor, --, ---, nobody, NEW, ReferenceError: reference to undefined property browser.securityUI.tooltipText in browserRequest.js 12:50:04 * Fallen is now known as Fallen|away 12:56:03 <instantbot> aleth@instantbird.org changed the Resolution on bug 1068397 from --- to WORKSFORME. 12:56:04 <instantbot> Bug https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=1068397 cri, --, ---, nobody, RESO WORKSFORME, Twitter chat account setup fails auth step 13:02:10 --> clokep_work has joined #instantbird 13:02:10 * ChanServ sets mode +o clokep_work 13:03:20 <clokep_work> aleth: FYI I was able to reproduce bug 1068397 13:03:22 <instantbot> Bug https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=1068397 cri, --, ---, nobody, RESO WORKSFORME, Twitter chat account setup fails auth step 13:04:10 <aleth> clokep_work: Hmm, I wonder what you did differently. OK, then I'll leave it to you ;) 13:09:18 <clokep_work> aleth: No idea. 13:09:23 <clokep_work> I didn't try on a fresh profile though. 13:20:33 * Fallen|away is now known as Fallen 13:41:18 <clokep_work> Anyone have issues with the changes in Bug 1099861? 13:41:20 <instantbot> Bug https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=1099861 nor, --, ---, nobody, NEW, There are some resource path mixing ://gre/modules and ://modules 13:41:38 <clokep_work> (Changing :/// to ://gre/ for Services.jsm and... XPCOMUtils.jsm) 13:50:36 <aleth> Is that actually a bug or just cleanup? 13:53:18 <clokep_work> Clean-up 13:53:46 <clokep_work> We usually put all gre modules up above the /// ones, right? 14:01:35 <clokep_work> flo-retina: Do we have a style preference about that ^? Do we care? :) 14:19:21 <flo-retina> clokep_work: I would probably put all the gre modules together and all the /// modules together. Not sure which one first. 14:19:40 <flo-retina> but this is all in yahoo _tests_, so I wouldn't bother him with that 14:21:03 <clokep_work> It's not ALL. 14:21:06 <clokep_work> There's also blist.js. ;) 14:21:28 <flo-retina> clokep_work: his change to blist.js doesn't mix gre and /// modules 14:24:12 <-- aleth has quit (Ping timeout: 121 seconds) 14:24:27 <clokep_work> aleth: Ah, apparently those /// vs. gre are causing test failures? 14:29:06 <-- Tonnes has quit (Quit: ChatZilla 0.9.91 [Firefox 33.1.1/20141113143407]) 14:37:55 <-- gerard-majax has quit (Ping timeout: 121 seconds) 14:43:52 --> aleth has joined #instantbird 14:43:52 * ChanServ sets mode +o aleth 14:46:27 --> mconley has joined #instantbird 14:51:23 <clokep_work> Do we have anything to discuss at tomorrow's TB meeting besides the GTalk stuff? 14:53:17 * Fallen is now known as Fallen|away 14:55:50 <aleth> Don't think so. 15:00:12 --> clokep has joined #instantbird 15:00:12 * ChanServ sets mode +o clokep 15:05:19 <-- clokep has quit (Ping timeout: 121 seconds) 15:06:56 * clokep_work doesn't understand what Windows is doing when it does htat... 15:16:28 <-- aleth has quit (Ping timeout: 121 seconds) 15:18:26 --> aleth has joined #instantbird 15:18:26 * ChanServ sets mode +o aleth 15:30:19 --> iamjayakumars has joined #instantbird 15:35:02 --> gerard-majax has joined #instantbird 15:36:17 --> qheaden has joined #instantbird 15:37:40 --> Tonnes has joined #instantbird 15:38:21 <-- aleth has quit (Ping timeout: 121 seconds) 15:39:04 <-- gerard-majax has quit (Ping timeout: 121 seconds) 15:45:59 <mrphs> flo-retina: md5 is not much of an strong way to verify download 15:46:17 <mrphs> flo-retina: and most of the users never ever verify their downloads 15:47:28 <mrphs> flo-retina: what does stop us from havin all the good things? ssl, an asc sig and sha256sum? 15:48:21 <clokep_work> mrphs: Florian already said we should use something stronger than MD5. 15:48:57 <mrphs> also, having SSL prevents my isp to know which pages I was interested in, when i visited your website 15:49:11 --> aleth has joined #instantbird 15:49:11 * ChanServ sets mode +o aleth 15:49:11 <mrphs> clokep_work: ack. but that's not enough. most users dont check it 15:50:48 <clokep_work> mrphs: Sure, I'm just saying your first argument is something we already agreed we should do, no need to repeat it. 15:50:58 <clokep_work> mrphs: SSL doesn't prevent that, DNS is still in the clear. 15:51:44 <clokep_work> I'm not saying we shouldn't do it btw. :) 15:53:47 <Fearful> opendns has a program that encrypts the traffic 15:54:14 <Fearful> https://www.opendns.com/about/innovations/dnscrypt/ 15:55:18 <Fearful> In the same way the SSL turns HTTP web traffic into HTTPS encrypted Web traffic, DNSCrypt turns regular DNS traffic into encrypted DNS traffic that is secure from eavesdropping and man-in-the-middle attacks. 15:57:12 <clokep_work> Fearful: I'm well aware. 15:57:31 --> gerard-majax has joined #instantbird 15:58:22 <Fearful> :P 15:58:33 <clokep_work> YOu don't need to convince me anyway. 15:59:09 <Fearful> last I checked it doesn't run on linux though 16:06:15 <-- gerard-majax has quit (Connection closed) 16:08:27 --> gerard-majax has joined #instantbird 16:29:55 --> myk has joined #instantbird 16:36:18 <-- gerard-majax has quit (Ping timeout: 121 seconds) 16:37:13 --> nhnt11 has joined #instantbird 16:38:55 <-- iamjayakumars has quit (Connection closed) 16:48:43 <-- aleth has quit (Ping timeout: 121 seconds) 17:17:04 --> mconley_ has joined #instantbird 17:19:22 <-- mconley has quit (Ping timeout: 121 seconds) 18:05:30 <-- nhnt11 has quit (Ping timeout: 121 seconds) 18:05:48 --> DGMurdockIII has joined #instantbird 18:06:37 --> Mook_as has joined #instantbird 18:18:04 --> aleth has joined #instantbird 18:18:04 * ChanServ sets mode +o aleth 18:31:23 * mconley_ is now known as mconley 19:16:53 <-- mpmc has quit (Quit: Instantbird 1.6a1pre -- http://www.instantbird.com) 19:23:45 <-- myk has quit (Quit: Instantbird 1.6a1pre -- http://www.instantbird.com) 19:23:49 --> myk has joined #instantbird 19:26:02 <-- DGMurdockIII has quit (Quit: Leaving) 19:27:20 --> EionRobb has joined #instantbird 19:33:27 <-- qheaden has quit (Ping timeout: 121 seconds) 19:34:55 <-- aleth has quit (Ping timeout: 121 seconds) 19:39:53 * Fallen|away is now known as Fallen 19:46:59 --> mpmc has joined #instantbird 19:50:43 --> nhnt11 has joined #instantbird 19:56:50 <-- mpmc has quit (Quit: Instantbird 1.6a1pre -- http://www.instantbird.com) 20:08:10 <-- nhnt11 has quit (Quit: Instantbird 1.6a1pre -- http://www.instantbird.com) 20:08:16 --> nhnt11 has joined #instantbird 20:21:26 --> DGMurdockIII has joined #instantbird 20:24:02 <DGMurdockIII> Google Talk cert issues? Remove your connect server 20:31:06 <EionRobb> that's quite an old issue 20:31:45 <DGMurdockIII> that what the pidgin irc channel topic says 20:31:56 <DGMurdockIII> there channel dosnt let anyone talk 20:33:32 <DGMurdockIII> (9 messages omitted) 20:33:32 <DGMurdockIII> [11/17/2014 3:33:07 PM] LOG (@ prpl-gtalk: Socket.connect resource:///modules/socket.jsm:148) 20:33:32 <DGMurdockIII> Connecting to: talk.google.com:443 20:33:32 <DGMurdockIII> [11/17/2014 3:33:07 PM] DEBUG (@ prpl-gtalk: Socket.onTransportStatus resource:///modules/socket.jsm:557) 20:33:32 <DGMurdockIII> onTransportStatus(STATUS_RESOLVING) 20:33:34 <DGMurdockIII> [11/17/2014 3:33:07 PM] DEBUG (@ prpl-gtalk: Socket.onTransportStatus resource:///modules/socket.jsm:557) 20:33:37 <DGMurdockIII> onTransportStatus(STATUS_RESOLVED) 20:33:39 <DGMurdockIII> [11/17/2014 3:33:07 PM] DEBUG (@ prpl-gtalk: Socket.onTransportStatus resource:///modules/socket.jsm:557) 20:33:42 <DGMurdockIII> onTransportStatus(STATUS_CONNECTING_TO) 20:33:44 <DGMurdockIII> [11/17/2014 3:33:07 PM] DEBUG (@ prpl-gtalk: Socket.onTransportStatus resource:///modules/socket.jsm:557) 20:33:47 <DGMurdockIII> onTransportStatus(STATUS_CONNECTED_TO) 20:33:49 <DGMurdockIII> [11/17/2014 3:33:07 PM] LOG (@ prpl-gtalk: Socket.sendString resource:///modules/socket.jsm:255) 20:33:51 <DGMurdockIII> Sending: 20:33:53 <DGMurdockIII> <?xml version="1.0"?><stream:stream to="gmail.com" xmlns="jabber:client" xmlns:stream="http://etherx.jabber.org/streams" version="1.0"> 20:33:56 <DGMurdockIII> [11/17/2014 3:33:07 PM] DEBUG (@ prpl-gtalk: Socket.onStartRequest resource:///modules/socket.jsm:480) 20:34:00 <DGMurdockIII> onStartRequest 20:34:02 <DGMurdockIII> [11/17/2014 3:33:07 PM] DEBUG (@ prpl-gtalk: Socket.onStopRequest resource:///modules/socket.jsm:489) 20:34:04 <DGMurdockIII> onStopRequest (2152398868) 20:34:06 <DGMurdockIII> [11/17/2014 3:33:07 PM] LOG (@ prpl-gtalk: Socket.disconnect resource:///modules/socket.jsm:185) 20:34:08 <DGMurdockIII> Disconnect 20:34:10 <DGMurdockIII> sorry 20:38:40 <EionRobb> what do you mean by "there channel dosnt let anyone talk"? 20:39:28 <DGMurdockIII> #pidgin :Cannot send to channel 20:39:54 <EionRobb> why can't you? anyone can talk in there 20:40:23 <EionRobb> we have lots of people coming in to complain about msn recently, for example 20:40:53 <DGMurdockIII> msn is dead 20:41:20 <EionRobb> there are people who think otherwise ;) 20:41:28 <DGMurdockIII> the msn accounts have be migrated to skype 20:41:37 <EionRobb> apparently a lot of the new skype stuff works on the msnp protocol 20:41:43 <EionRobb> I haven't looked into it myself 20:42:01 <EionRobb> I need to have a look at the new web-based skype chatting that MS provide to see if that's usable in libpurple 20:42:34 <DGMurdockIII> i dont thnk so as look just like a slime down skype 20:42:36 <EionRobb> its 'nice' of MS to create a replacement for WebRTC :( 20:42:47 <EionRobb> DGMurdockIII: I have no idea what you're talking about 20:42:55 <DGMurdockIII> it uses WebRTC 20:43:04 <DGMurdockIII> the web bvased skype 20:43:35 <EionRobb> something called ORTC as a replacement for WebRTC 20:44:24 <DGMurdockIII> http://ortc.org/ 20:52:34 <flo-retina> EionRobb: Microsoft recently announced their intent to implement WebRTC 20:52:55 <flo-retina> EionRobb: they had been promoting a slightly different / competing specification for a few years 20:55:29 <EionRobb> hopefully their IE impl isn't just for ORTC and works for WebRTC too 21:06:09 --> gerard-majax has joined #instantbird 21:06:25 <-- gerard-majax has quit (Connection closed) 21:06:37 --> gerard-majax has joined #instantbird 21:08:06 <DGMurdockIII> yeah but i thnk everone shold stick to webrtc 21:10:13 <DGMurdockIII> Microsoft is ditching Trident for a new rendering engine coded from ground up 21:36:36 <clokep_work> That's probably not relevant to this conversation. And please don't paste huge amounts of text in here. 21:41:43 <DGMurdockIII> i said i was sorry 21:41:52 <DGMurdockIII> i did not mean to do that 21:42:29 <DGMurdockIII> actaly it is 21:42:56 <DGMurdockIII> becse that mean that hoply ie will get more of the web standers support 21:44:24 <EionRobb> instantbird for IE :P 21:46:51 <clokep_work> According to Wikipedia ORTC *is* WebRTC. 21:47:20 <clokep_work> So that's good. :) 22:24:24 <-- clokep_work has quit (Ping timeout: 121 seconds) 22:32:31 <-- mconley has quit (Connection closed) 22:40:24 --> aleth has joined #instantbird 22:40:24 * ChanServ sets mode +o aleth 22:52:12 <EionRobb> any of you lot allowed to login to https://web.skype.com/ ? 23:33:12 --> clokep has joined #instantbird 23:33:12 * ChanServ sets mode +o clokep 23:36:27 <clokep> EionRobb: No dice. 23:36:44 <clokep> "Sorry, Skype for Web (Beta) is invitation only at this time" 23:37:24 --> mconley has joined #instantbird 23:48:30 <EionRobb> hehe, they just do a web request to see if you're elegible, which if you intercept to return a 200 instead of 403 it carrys on as if you are elegible :D 23:49:10 <clokep> EionRobb: (o_O) How are you "elgible"? 23:49:20 <clokep> There an extension to do that yet? :-D 23:49:23 <EionRobb> by intercepting the url for elegibilty checking :D 23:49:38 <EionRobb> https://web.skype.com/v1/api/eligibility-check is the url 23:50:09 <clokep> :) 23:50:30 <flo-retina> EionRobb: sounds as secure as my former bank's website 23:50:50 <EionRobb> banks are the worst :D 23:51:48 <flo-retina> that web page was doing some stuff, querying the server, and then got as a result a form with <input type=hidden containing the account number, and some JS submitting the form immediately onload so that you wouldn't see that page, which would look just like a redirect. 23:52:49 <flo-retina> I noticed because if one disabled JS then the browser got stuck on an empty page... with an 'interesting' source code. 23:56:17 <clokep> EionRobb: Well if you want to est things, lemme know