#instantbird log on 11 12 2014

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00:00:58 <aleth> Time to default-SSL IRC and XMPP then :)
00:01:30 <clokep> And XMPP?
00:01:34 <clokep> Do we not already?
00:01:39 <clokep> So there's a slight trick with IRC. ;)
00:01:47 <clokep> I think we need to make it like the XMPP selecter.
00:02:55 <aleth> http://dxr.mozilla.org/comm-central/source/chat/protocols/xmpp/xmpp.js#42
00:03:14 <aleth> Not that any IB user will notice that unless they flip to JS-XMPP
00:03:37 <clokep> aleth: What exactly is the difference between require, and opportunistic?
00:03:58 <clokep> (And the difference between unencrypted plain auth and none?)
00:03:59 <aleth> iirc opportunistic means it will connect unencrypted if SSL fails
00:04:35 <clokep> Hm. OK. I thought it was that it used STARTTLS.
00:04:44 <aleth> Isn't allow_unencrypted_auth = ok to send my password unencrypted
00:04:58 <aleth> Hmm, if *we* are confused about this so will users be. We need to improve that
00:05:18 <clokep> I've always just ignored it. ;)
00:05:20 <aleth> At least add tooltips or a hint or something
00:05:21 <clokep> I want to implement https://github.com/ircv3/ircv3-specifications/blob/master/extensions/tls-3.1 though.
00:05:34 <aleth> We should have sane defaults and options that are comprehensible ;)
00:05:54 <aleth> clokep: interesting spec
00:06:19 <aleth> nice and short :P
00:09:08 <clokep> aleth: The backend would take like 10 minutes to implement...
00:09:25 <aleth> what's the catch?
00:12:35 <aleth> sounds like 10 minutes well spent
00:38:00 <clokep> aleth: The catch is doing the UI. :-D
00:38:02 <clokep> And pref migration.
00:39:44 <clokep> aleth: So what https://hg.mozilla.org/comm-central/rev/8247ad339166 does is get rid of the MOZ_FOLD_LIBS def because it's *ALWAYS* done now.
00:39:47 <clokep> It's not optional.
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04:31:00 <instant-buildbot> build #1573 of win32-nightly-default is complete: Success [3build successful]  Build details are at http://buildbot.instantbird.org/builders/win32-nightly-default/builds/1573
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04:53:00 <instant-buildbot> build #1224 of linux-nightly-default is complete: Success [3build successful]  Build details are at http://buildbot.instantbird.org/builders/linux-nightly-default/builds/1224
04:59:12 <instant-buildbot> build #2420 of macosx-nightly-default is complete: Success [3build successful]  Build details are at http://buildbot.instantbird.org/builders/macosx-nightly-default/builds/2420
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06:21:26 <instant-buildbot> build #120 of linux64-nightly-default is complete: Success [3build successful]  Build details are at http://buildbot.instantbird.org/builders/linux64-nightly-default/builds/120
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07:07:01 <mhs> after updating from nightly 2014-11-11 to nightly 2014-11-12 I get a "Couldn't load XPCOM" error and instantbird won't start
07:07:16 <mhs> going back to 2014-11-11 made the problem disappear again
07:08:09 <mhs> i found a few XPCOM-related issues for instantbird, firefox and thunderbird, but all I looked at are from this summer and marked as resolved
07:08:21 <mhs> any idea what's happening here?
07:09:03 <DGMurdockIII> i want a thunderbird fork
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07:30:36 <mhs> i see
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08:23:10 <instantbot> florian@queze.net changed the Resolution on bug 1060897 from --- to DUPLICATE.
08:23:11 <instantbot> Bug https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=1060897 nor, --, ---, iann_bugzilla, RESO DUPLICATE, Static-link the CRT into Instantbird executable (/im/app/moz.build). Port Bug 1023941 Part 1
08:32:34 <instantbot> florian@queze.net changed the Resolution on bug 954104 from --- to WONTFIX.
08:32:36 <instantbot> Bug https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=954104 nor, --, ---, nobody, RESO WONTFIX, Add ability for disabling hardware acceleration in Preferences
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10:27:27 <flo-retina> reading the Pidgin developer mailing list, it looks like the MSN prpl doesn't work
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11:27:07 <clokep> mhs: What OS are you on?
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11:35:53 <clokep> flo-retina: Yeah, seems like it. :-S My guesses a fix will be in the next release?
11:36:04 <clokep> That's unfortunate. :(
11:36:09 <clokep> I kind of wish they'd actually just kill it.
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11:40:18 <clokep> flo-retina: I can confirm the "Failed to load XPCOM", on Windows at least. Can we disable that update?
11:40:31 * clokep wonders if https://hg.mozilla.org/comm-central/rev/82c2f74c26cb broke something. :(
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11:51:49 <flo-retina> clokep: can it be http://hg.mozilla.org/comm-central/rev/045eceb06c12 ?
11:52:03 <flo-retina> which update do we need to disable? When was the first broken nightly?
11:52:25 <clokep> flo-retina: Oh hmm...it could be that too.
11:52:56 <clokep> Let me do a few tests.
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11:56:16 <clokep> flo-retina: Just the newest.
11:56:31 <flo-retina> just the newest and just windows?
11:58:41 <clokep> I don't know about non-Windows.
11:58:47 <flo-retina> disabled!
11:59:02 <clokep> Thanks. :)
11:59:42 <flo-retina> np
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14:17:55 <flo-linux> I'm on Linux, so I thought I would check if nightlies there are broken or not
14:18:06 <flo-linux> I just updated to the latest nightly, and am currently talking from it ;)
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14:22:34 <clokep_work> flo-linux: Interesting. I wonder what that issue is then that....that guy is having.
14:23:37 <instantbot> clokep@gmail.com changed the Resolution on bug 1084973 from FIXED to ---.
14:23:39 <instantbot> Bug https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=1084973 nor, --, 1.6, clokep, REOP, Port |Bug 1031352 - share the logic for determining what MSVC DLLs to package| to im, mail, and suit
14:24:39 * aleth wonders whether the input box/character counter looks broken on Linux
14:31:12 <clokep_work> Ah yeah I never got around to fixing that.
14:31:17 * clokep_work curses that he pulled m-c...
14:31:21 <clokep_work> On Windwos.
14:32:42 <flo-retina> so there could be plenty of reasons for his nightly no longer working
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14:33:00 <flo-retina> system update that installed broken library versions, library version requirement bumped on m-c, ...
14:33:12 <aleth> If he goes back to a previous nightly and it still doesn't work, that will be enlightening
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14:35:10 <flo-linux> aleth: http://i.imgur.com/gE3swrF.png
14:35:20 <flo-linux> (char counter on linux)
14:35:39 <aleth> Not so good :-|
14:36:01 <aleth> I guess it would have been surprising if it worked automatically given the tweaking I had to do on OSX ;)
14:36:07 <flo-retina> definitely some room for improvement there ;)
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15:52:39 <instantbot> aleth@instantbird.org changed the Resolution on bug 1094739 from --- to WORKSFORME.
15:52:40 <instantbot> Bug https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=1094739 nor, --, ---, nobody, RESO WORKSFORME, intantbird does not start after last nightly update - segmentation fault
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16:35:17 <mhs> clokep: sorry for the late reply, I had some grading to do. I experienced the problem on Windows 7 x64
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17:05:30 <clokep_work> mhs: Cool. Thanks. I'm pretty sure the cause has been backed out. bug 1097748 is the corresponding TB bug.
17:05:32 <instantbot> Bug https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=1097748 blo, --, ---, nobody, NEW, Thunderbird Daily failing to start, with "Couldn't load XPCOM." error
17:05:41 <clokep_work> arlolra: ...I had something to tell you and now I forget. :-D
17:05:57 <clokep_work> Oh. I got more of gpg-error building. Just wanted to let you know I'm slowly making some slow progress. ;)
17:06:05 <clokep_work> And that I assigned the OTR bug to you, hope that's OK!
17:06:10 <clokep_work> Apparently there's a bounty for it. :)
17:07:49 <arlolra> that's great. thanks clokep_work
17:08:25 <arlolra> i'm going to send out an email this week about the otr ui
17:08:29 <clokep_work> :) OK.
17:08:34 <arlolra> i agree with the comment you left on that issue
17:08:34 <clokep_work> I saw someone has been playing with your extension.
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17:11:49 <arlolra> yes. I've been making some progress there
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17:14:40 <clokep_work> aleth: 
17:14:44 <clokep_work> Sooooooo question. :)
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17:15:11 <clokep_work> aleth: When you force the link panel to the right side in a MUC it overlaps the participants list, is this on purpose?
17:15:35 <aleth> clokep_work: no
17:16:05 <aleth> Happens for me too. Interesting.
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17:17:48 <clokep_work> OK. :)
17:17:56 * clokep_work waits for a patch. :P
17:18:00 <aleth> File a bug?
17:18:18 <clokep_work> FINE. :P
17:18:26 <aleth> :D
17:18:30 * aleth has no time right now
17:19:40 <instantbot> New Instantbird - Conversation bug 1097789 filed by clokep@gmail.com.
17:19:42 <instantbot> Bug https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=1097789 min, --, ---, nobody, NEW, URL panel overlays the participant list in MUCs
17:20:15 <aleth> Thanks
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17:36:58 <mhs> thanks clokep_work!
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17:52:12 <mpmcthree> I've updated Win7 and instantbird (nightly) refuses to run, help please :) Error "Is could not load XPCOM".
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17:55:56 <mpmcthree> Wow CIRC is annoying..
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17:56:38 <flo-retina> mpmcthree: the nightly from yesterday should work
17:56:58 <mpmcthree> flo-retina: I am running it.
17:57:27 <flo-retina> the "could not load XPCOM" problem is only in the nightly from today
17:58:01 <mpmcthree> flo-retina: I was getting it with the older nightly too.
17:58:18 <mpmcthree> hence why I updated.
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18:01:22 <mpmcthree> flo-retina: Do you know where I can get the older nightly that works? the nightly.ib.org only has ones from today and from a year ago.
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18:04:15 <flo-retina> mpmcthree: http://ftp.instantbird.com/instantbird/nightly/2014/
18:05:11 <mpmcthree> :/ I missed that "parent directory link" >.<
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18:08:02 <mpmc> flo-retina: Many thanks for the help :)
18:08:54 <flo-retina> np
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18:24:35 <mpmc> Hey folks, there an issue with the messenger servers "Contact list unavailable" Fix is available here - http://messengergeek.wordpress.com/2014/11/12/most-third-party-messenger-clients-have-gone-offline-temporarily/
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18:41:19 <mpmc> :/ And I can't connect to gtalk :(
18:42:51 <flo-retina> this is also a known issue, it's been broken for a bit longer
18:44:02 <mpmc> Ugh, I just tried hangouts, it's awful!
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18:45:18 <clokep_work> mpmc: If you could track down the exact Pidgin changeset that updates the MSN stuff, that'd be useful. :)
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18:47:49 <flo-retina> clokep_work: it's https://hg.pidgin.im/pidgin/main/rev/f6a91e6c77a4
18:49:49 <flo-retina> https://hg.pidgin.im/pidgin/main/rev/ee51d84aacbf seems vaguely related, but probably not strictly required
18:52:02 <clokep_work> Someone want to check that that works and commit it? :P
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20:02:16 <arlolra> any reason why nightlies are 1.5x the size of the last release?
20:02:55 <aleth> have you looked at how much bigger FX is compared to a year ago?
20:03:11 <aleth> That would be my first guess
20:04:26 <arlolra> hmm, good point
20:05:10 <aleth> seems a lot though
20:08:26 <flo-retina> webrtc?
20:10:46 <aleth> could be
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22:16:05 <instantbot> New Instantbird - Conversation bug 1097995 filed by aleth@instantbird.org.
22:16:06 <instantbot> Bug https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=1097995 min, --, ---, aleth, ASSI, Dividing line in conv-top is too close to the display name
22:16:31 <aleth> fail to fix one thing, fix another thing in passing ;)
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