#instantbird log on 11 10 2014

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03:39:10 <I_stephen> wow. this instantbird program is coming along quite nicely
03:39:20 <EionRobb> what's an instantbird?
03:39:57 <I_stephen> you're joking by asking that question. right?
03:40:42 <EionRobb> I just drunkenly stumbled into this channel a few years ago and haven't left.  no one will ever tell me what an instantbird is :(
03:40:46 <EionRobb> also: yes
03:40:48 <I_stephen> ok
03:41:01 <I_stephen> well you can go to www.instantbird.com and you'll find out
03:41:09 <EionRobb> how?
03:41:35 <I_stephen> it's an instant messenger program. it does irc, ICQ, yahoo and a few others
03:41:41 <EionRobb> go on....
03:42:09 <I_stephen> do you understand computers at all or are  you a newby?
03:42:34 <EionRobb> I'm just trolling
03:42:38 <I_stephen> whew
03:42:47 <I_stephen> you had me worried there!. hahaha
03:42:52 <EionRobb> :D
03:44:47 <I_stephen> I guess you must get tired of all us aussie making fun of your accent
03:45:17 <EionRobb> oh, you're a one of those
03:45:28 <I_stephen> I used to be
03:45:37 <EionRobb> unclean! unclean!
03:45:50 <I_stephen> hehe
03:45:55 <EionRobb> where in aussieland did you use to reside?
03:46:27 <I_stephen> I'm not in NZ, I'm in Aussieland still
03:46:34 <I_stephen> I'm from Melbourne
03:46:49 <EionRobb> I am sorry for your loss
03:47:01 <I_stephen> what loss?
03:47:35 <I_stephen> I was born in Aus
03:49:39 <EionRobb> :)
03:50:07 <I_stephen> have you been to Melbourne before?
03:50:37 <EionRobb> nope... probably going over next year sometime though
03:50:42 <I_stephen> cool
03:50:50 <EionRobb> I'll have to get over my fear of trams swalling me whole though
03:50:59 <EionRobb> swallowing
03:51:05 <I_stephen> lol
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04:25:49 <instant-buildbot> build #1571 of win32-nightly-default is complete: Success [3build successful]  Build details are at http://buildbot.instantbird.org/builders/win32-nightly-default/builds/1571
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04:51:15 <instant-buildbot> build #1222 of linux-nightly-default is complete: Success [3build successful]  Build details are at http://buildbot.instantbird.org/builders/linux-nightly-default/builds/1222
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04:57:56 <instant-buildbot> build #2418 of macosx-nightly-default is complete: Success [3build successful]  Build details are at http://buildbot.instantbird.org/builders/macosx-nightly-default/builds/2418
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05:47:42 <instant-buildbot> build #118 of linux64-nightly-default is complete: Success [3build successful]  Build details are at http://buildbot.instantbird.org/builders/linux64-nightly-default/builds/118
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08:50:06 <instantbot> aleth@instantbird.org changed the Resolution on bug 1096086 from --- to FIXED.
08:50:07 <instantbot> Bug https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=1096086 nor, --, 1.6, aleth, RESO FIXED, Port bug 1060890 and bug 1092200 to im/
08:50:16 <instantbot> aleth@instantbird.org changed the Resolution on bug 1096084 from --- to FIXED.
08:50:17 <instantbot> aleth@instantbird.org changed the Resolution on bug 954774 from --- to FIXED.
08:50:18 <instantbot> Bug https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=954774 nor, --, 1.6, aleth, RESO FIXED, Reclaim screen real estate that is currently covered by the unused contact-list statusbar
08:50:19 <instantbot> Bug https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=1096084 nor, --, 1.6, aleth, RESO FIXED, Character counter not reset on sending message
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08:54:09 <flo-retina> aleth: So, 2 little things I wondered about the status bar changes.
08:54:09 <flo-retina> 1. On Firefox, when hovering a link in the bottom left corner of the browser area, the small panel showing the URL moves automatically to the bottom right corner. Do we know if this would be difficult to port to Ib?
08:54:09 <flo-retina> 2. I haven't looked at the code yet, but assuming most of it is in convbrowser or could be moved to convbrowser, could the panel also work for the log viewer?
08:55:01 <aleth> flo-retina: The moving code should be ported as well, if it doesn't work that needs investigating.
08:55:17 <flo-retina> it doesn't work
08:55:47 <aleth> None of this lives in convbrowser, so to make it work for the log viewer means adding status panel code in viewlog.xul too unfortunately (just like in tabbrowser)
08:56:04 <flo-retina> I said I hadn't looked at the code at all ;)
08:56:28 <flo-retina> is there an obvious reason why having the code in convbrowser is not a good idea?
08:57:02 <flo-retina> "Warning: Unhandled IRC message: :fripp.mozilla.org 276 flo-retina jb :has client certificate fingerprint 744581fd2c80ac207e6c98a43b023a6a57d994f3" seems new to me.
09:00:01 <aleth> flo-retina: Yes, we have non-convbrowser browsers.
09:00:27 <aleth> You should file bugs though ;)
09:02:42 <flo-retina> I should! :)
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10:07:12 <aleth> clokep might want to port bug 1078003
10:07:15 <instantbot> Bug https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=1078003 nor, --, Thunderbird 36.0, richard.marti, RESO FIXED, Port bug 1076926 to TB - Add windows 10 support to exe manifest
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11:20:36 <clokep> aleth: I think I filed a bug on that Windows 10 manifest thing.
11:20:43 <clokep> Butyeah, we should port that. :)
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11:48:05 <clokep> aleth: The character counter certainly needs a little work on Windows.
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11:53:21 <instantbot> New Instantbird - Conversation bug 1096245 filed by clokep@gmail.com.
11:53:22 <instantbot> Bug https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=1096245 nor, --, ---, nobody, NEW, Character counter CSS needs tweaks on Windows
11:53:32 <clokep> aleth: ^ ^
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12:13:13 <aleth1> clokep: Thanks! Maybe you could take a look at it when you have a chance.
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12:13:56 <aleth> Yay, I got my nick back automatically without nickserv spam :)
12:16:51 <flo-retina> ;à
12:16:54 <flo-retina> :)
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13:55:08 <clokep_work> instantbot: botsnack
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14:25:52 <flo-retina> the "... is typing" panel disappears after hovering a link; is that a known issue?
14:28:58 <aleth> It's expected - is it an issue?
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16:31:42 <flo-retina> aleth: it seems surprising to me that a user action can permanently dismiss accidentally something that wasn't triggered by the user
16:31:57 <flo-retina> the status bar code handled that (if you stopped hovering a link, the typing indicator would return
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16:34:41 <aleth> flo-retina: I thought of these notifications as lightweight and transient
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16:36:51 <aleth> It may be possible to get the behaviour you suggest however
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16:44:15 <InReal4D> is there a plugin to write to all the conversations that we have been listening Media Player (Windows)
16:44:22 <InReal4D> ?*
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16:47:46 <clokep_work> InReal4D: Not that I know of, no.
16:47:51 <clokep_work> You could check the add-ons website.
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16:51:14 <nhnt11> Wow, the incremental update today is way smaller than usual
16:51:24 <nhnt11> (just a few 100kB vs. few MB)
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16:51:48 <InReal4D> ok
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18:51:36 <clokep_work> aleth: I frequently try to tab-complete channel names. :P
18:51:54 <clokep_work> Looks like mconley wants that checkin that auto-recovers nicks. ;)
18:52:12 <mconley> it's true!
18:52:14 <mconley> :D
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19:02:05 <Defman> Okay
19:03:54 <Defman> I know about making add-ons for Mozilla (thx Komodo) so where I can find sources of Instantbird?
19:05:47 <clokep_work> Defman: hg.mozilla.org/comm-central under the im/ folder.
19:05:56 <clokep_work> Defman: You were asking about translations? What language?
19:06:02 <clokep_work> I'm not sure what the state of our translations is...
19:06:04 <Defman> Russian.
19:06:41 <clokep_work> I thought we have a ru translation?
19:07:22 <Defman> oops
19:07:29 <Defman> my bad, I didn't see it, thanks!
19:07:36 <Defman> aw
19:07:44 <Defman> nope, it's not a translation
19:07:57 <Defman> it's a dictionary :)
19:07:58 <clokep_work> ...?
19:08:37 <clokep_work> Defman: http://instantbird.com/download-all.html shows Russian.
19:08:55 <Defman> Oh
19:09:00 <Defman> Never see it.
19:09:34 <Defman> Thanks clokep_work! Install it now :)
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19:13:45 <clokep_work> Defman: Assuming you're on the release version, yeah. Our nightlies are not localized.
19:13:55 <Defman> Thanks
19:14:07 <Defman> Now I'm using Instantbird with ru locale
19:17:13 <clokep_work> :)
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19:19:34 <Defman> it's gonna be better if you detect language of user and show for him version for his language preferences.
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19:21:52 <clokep_work> Defman: I don't really follow what you mean by that.
19:21:53 <aleth> Defman: There's also some info on our wiki that might be useful
19:21:56 <clokep_work> Do you mean on the website?
19:22:00 <clokep_work> It should do that automatically, I think.
19:22:07 <Defman> My bad
19:22:26 <Defman> I'm forgot I'm use English language for all my programs
19:24:08 <Defman> I must reboot program if I change colors for theme?
19:24:43 <aleth> Defman: Do you mean changing the message style in preferences?
19:24:53 <Defman> yep, sorry for my English :)
19:25:00 <aleth> New conversations should immediately see the change
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19:25:27 <Defman> hmm
19:25:54 <Defman> Doesn't work at me for Minimal 2.0
19:26:09 <Defman> I change variant to Orange vs Blue but I don't see any difference :(
19:26:10 <aleth> Try closing all the conversations and then opening a new one
19:26:24 <Defman> try again...
19:26:26 <aleth> Of course you have to restart after installing the addon
19:26:35 <Defman> I'm restart it
19:26:41 <aleth> But once it's installed, you can just select it in Preferences-Themes
19:26:45 <Defman> but all nicks use pink color
19:27:24 <aleth> In chatrooms, the colour depends on the nick
19:27:34 <aleth> It's just coincidence if two are similar
19:27:43 <Defman> Ah, okay!
19:27:52 <clokep_work> instantbot: botsnack
19:27:53 <instantbot> :)
19:27:55 <clokep_work> He should be green. :)
19:27:58 <Defman> yep
19:28:20 <Defman> Okay, now I'm understand
19:28:39 <Defman> colors that I'm select in Variant works only for private messages
19:28:41 <Defman> 1 to 1
19:28:49 <aleth> Yes exactly
19:29:02 <Defman> Okay it's good
19:29:13 <Defman> I think you must write it under "Variants" like small hint :)
19:29:46 <clokep_work> Defman: But it fully depends on the message style if that's how it works.
19:30:19 <Defman> Now I know it
19:30:44 <Defman> Message style is global, Variants only for private (one to one)
19:31:31 <aleth> No, message styles can do all sorts of things with variants
19:31:35 <aleth> It's just customization
19:31:38 <Defman> And also thanks for this great program!
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19:31:58 <aleth> Glad you like it! Hope you will write some nice addons ;)
19:32:15 <Defman> maybe
19:32:40 <Defman> If I can't find something that I want - I'm write an add-on :)
19:33:25 <Defman> and of course I'm share it with you and other people :3
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19:40:13 * aleth wonders if nhnt11 is testing something
19:40:32 <nhnt11> aleth: Just had to reboot after installing some stuff I'm afraid :(
19:44:22 <Defman> lol
19:45:33 <Defman> XRE/extensions :)
19:48:28 <clokep_work> nhnt11: Installing Yosemite?! :P
19:50:47 <instantbot> New Instantbird - Conversation bug 1096515 filed by aleth@instantbird.org.
19:50:49 <instantbot> Bug https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=1096515 nor, --, ---, aleth, ASSI, Status panel doesn't get mirrored if touched by mouse pointer
19:53:06 <Defman> Haha
19:53:14 <Defman> I'm use Hackintosh at all %)
19:53:41 <clokep_work> aleth: I love the QI block 4 lines down from what you changed.
19:54:39 <aleth> yeah, that's one hell of a QI ;)
19:56:31 <instantbot> New Instantbird - Conversation bug 1096522 filed by aleth@instantbird.org.
19:56:32 <instantbot> Bug https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=1096522 enh, --, ---, aleth, ASSI, Improve chat input box styling for OS X
20:02:18 * clokep_work wonders if nhnt11 wants to steal https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=1096522
20:02:20 <instantbot> Bug 1096522 enh, --, ---, aleth, ASSI, Improve chat input box styling for OS X
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20:20:44 <clokep_work> aleth: So that screenshot, what am I looking at?
20:23:04 <aleth> It's a tiny difference: the splitter above the input box is not visible any more as a separate light grey line
20:25:30 <aleth> I also (not on the screenshot) matched up the opacity values for red with the values for blue
20:25:32 <clokep_work> Interesting. OK.
20:26:26 <aleth> There's also some whitespace removal which somehow didn't happen earlier
20:27:50 <aleth> clokep_work: thanks!
20:28:24 <aleth> Sorry I can't do Windows, I can point at the lines that likely need changing though if that helps
20:29:34 <clokep_work> :)
20:31:18 <aleth> I might be able to look at Linux tomorrow sometime
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20:44:07 <instantbot> aleth@instantbird.org changed the Resolution on bug 1096522 from --- to FIXED.
20:44:08 <instantbot> aleth@instantbird.org changed the Resolution on bug 1096515 from --- to FIXED.
20:44:09 <instantbot> Bug https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=1096515 nor, --, 1.6, aleth, RESO FIXED, Status panel doesn't get mirrored if touched by mouse pointer
20:44:10 <instantbot> Bug https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=1096522 enh, --, 1.6, aleth, RESO FIXED, Improve chat input box styling for OS X
20:44:26 <aleth> Nice to be able to land stuff quickly at the moment :-)
20:46:46 <nhnt11> clokep_work: I was rooting my friend's phone, and the flashing software installed a kernel extension and required a reboot (yeah) :P
20:46:50 <nhnt11> Anyway, offtopic.
20:47:30 * nhnt11 wouldn't mind stealing that bug, but probably doesn't have time for it this week...
20:47:39 <clokep_work> nhnt11: I already r+ed it.
20:47:42 <clokep_work> Was just a review.
20:47:51 <nhnt11> oh okay.
20:48:22 <nhnt11> Oh, it's checked in already too
20:48:24 <aleth> nhnt11: if you do end up having time... split logs ;)
20:48:33 <nhnt11> aleth: yeah
20:48:38 * nhnt11 will try to make time for that
20:48:42 <nhnt11> gtg now though
20:49:00 <aleth> I hope the tree won't bust again soon, but it might, going by past experience
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21:51:37 <Defman> hey
21:51:47 <Defman> how I can write something bold, underlined or stroked?
21:52:14 <instantbot> New Instantbird - Conversation bug 1096590 filed by aleth@instantbird.org.
21:52:14 <aleth> *bold* _underlined_
21:52:15 <instantbot> Bug https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=1096590 nor, --, ---, aleth, ASSI, Persist typing notifications over link displays in status panel
21:52:27 <Defman> Stroked?
21:52:32 <aleth> I don't know
21:52:43 <Defman> -s-
21:52:45 <aleth> It's possible you'd have to fix bug 954070 ;)
21:52:47 <Defman> --maybe--
21:52:47 <instantbot> Bug https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=954070 nor, --, ---, nobody, NEW, Richtext formatting for outgoing messages
21:52:49 <EionRobb> bold underlined stroked
21:52:57 <Defman> okay, no stroke
21:52:58 <aleth> not stroked for me...
21:53:13 <EionRobb> well, that didn't work
21:53:27 <Defman> Bug report time!
21:55:02 <aleth> I already linked you to the bug ;)
21:55:24 <aleth> Patches welcome.
21:55:31 <Defman> >nor, --, ---, nobody,
21:55:41 <Defman> what is it?
21:56:00 <aleth> It means nobody is working on it.
21:56:20 <Defman> okay, thanks
21:59:29 <aleth> hey, but you can do /italics/
22:01:24 <Defman> how?
22:01:36 <aleth> Just /like this/
22:01:43 <Defman>  /test/
22:01:48 <Defman> Amazing!
22:02:01 <Defman> And also I can do this: RЯ.
22:02:10 <aleth> There's also |code| but all these are a bit unreliable
22:02:43 <Defman> I don't see any reasons to create |code| in IRC client.
22:03:29 <Defman> of course IMHO :)
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