#instantbird log on 10 27 2014

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08:07:38 <nhnt11> Hi
08:07:56 <nhnt11> FYI I've been a little ill.
08:08:03 <nhnt11> Better today, so I'll probably be around tonight :)
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08:11:23 <aleth> Bustage looks like bug 946065
08:11:26 <instantbot> Bug https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=946065 nor, --, ---, birunthan, ASSI, Move content/ to dom/
08:12:59 <aleth> Windows seems offline
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09:49:36 * nhnt11 thinks the debug log tab is ready-ish
09:50:26 <nhnt11> Hmm, I think a "/debug" command would be nice
09:52:44 <aleth> :)
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10:07:29 <nhnt11> Bah
10:07:43 <nhnt11> So when I open the debug log tab using the command, I see blankness
10:07:52 <nhnt11> Even though the code that populates the browser is definitely being called :-/
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10:13:01 <nhnt11> bbl
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10:37:20 <clokep> flo-retina: https://hg.mozilla.org/comm-central/rev/0e9dfec40751#l3.1 makes sense, right?
10:38:08 <flo-retina> I think so
10:38:45 <flo-retina> clokep: I think it's OK for them to do these changes without requesting review from us, but I would appreciate if they cc'ed us or at least one of us
10:39:16 <clokep> flo-retina: I agree, I didn't know that that change even touched chat. Until it popped up on my RSS feed.
10:39:32 <flo-retina> ah, you are tracking chat/ changes through rss? :)
10:40:41 <flo-retina> are you going to comment in the bug, or should I?
10:42:18 * clokep needs to read https://wiki.mozilla.org/Sheriffing/How:To:Comm-central . . .
10:42:27 <clokep> I'd appreciate if you could. :)
10:42:31 <clokep> But if you don't have time I can do it later.
10:42:41 <aleth> clokep: Do you have that feed on a public URL?
10:42:51 <aleth> Or are you using some script?
10:43:24 <clokep> aleth: http://hgchanges.fractalbrew.com/comm-central/feed/chat
10:43:32 <aleth> Thanks!
10:44:35 <aleth> Looks like it's lagging a bit.
10:45:17 <clokep> I think we'll want to re-enable this on the purple repo: bug 1089385
10:45:20 <instantbot> Bug https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=1089385 nor, --, ---, nobody, NEW, Make user repositories non-publishing by default
10:46:49 <flo-retina> I agree
10:47:42 * clokep ccs himself
10:49:17 <clokep> flo-retina, aleth: Did you see Joshua's post in m.d.a.thunderbird about tree status and doing approvals?
10:49:40 <flo-retina> I don't think I read that group/list
10:49:51 <flo-retina> are they going to replace tb-planning? :)
10:50:12 <clokep> https://groups.google.com/forum/#!topic/mozilla.dev.apps.thunderbird/QAeL_UCIuZM
10:50:25 <clokep> No, apparently Joshua uses both in different situations or something.
10:53:18 <aleth> I saw it, yes
10:54:05 <aleth> Thanks.
10:58:40 <flo-retina> thanks for that link
11:00:44 <clokep> I think it means flo-retina can approve things. ;)
11:00:55 <flo-retina> it means clokep and aleth can too! :)
11:02:56 <clokep> Oh, did it say peers too?
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11:05:26 <flo-retina> it says "any (sub)module owner or peer "
11:05:32 <flo-retina> you are a submodule owner :)
11:05:43 <flo-retina> and both of your are peers :)
11:09:22 <flo-retina> s/your/you/
11:10:44 <flo-retina> has the patch to fix auto-list on moznet not landed yet?
11:11:19 <aleth> No https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/buglist.cgi?quicksearch=checkin-needed&product=Chat%20Core&product=Instantbird&product=Instantbird%20Servers&list_id=11451094
11:11:55 <flo-retina> looks like clokep can give you approval ;)
11:12:06 <flo-retina> uh, it's all busted :(
11:12:29 <aleth> I think the bustage is just what I linked earlier, and JosiahOne already has a patch
11:12:47 <flo-retina> there's a fix in https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=1089410 that looks like it just needs check-in
11:12:49 <instantbot> Bug 1089410 blo, --, ---, nobody, NEW, Package failures because of move from content/ to dom/
11:13:40 <flo-retina> aleth: indeed. I didn't see the log from this morning (and actually didn't even notice our nightlies failed)
11:14:45 <flo-retina> nhnt11: re-debug tab being blank from opening from a command: are you sure you are passing the right account type? I mean imIAccount vs prplIAccount.
11:15:35 <instantbot> New Chat Core - General bug 1089577 filed by aleth@instantbird.org.
11:15:36 <instantbot> Bug https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=1089577 nor, --, ---, nobody, NEW, Debug logs should include displayed message
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11:50:50 <flo-thinkpad-dbg> do we know this one?
11:50:50 <flo-thinkpad-dbg> Warning: Unused mode parameters: 2:2
11:51:52 <aleth> yes
11:52:56 <aleth> BUg 955190
11:52:58 <instantbot> Bug https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=955190 nor, --, ---, nobody, NEW, Unused mode parameters
11:57:39 <flo-retina> heh, I filed it
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12:15:35 <clokep_work> Can we check that bustage in then? :-S
12:16:11 <clokep_work> Ah, that has to be ported to im, also. :(
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12:23:14 <aleth> clokep_work: It needs r+ from a mail peer
12:23:38 <clokep_work> aleth: r+ form Joshua is not enough?
12:23:49 <aleth> Ah, it didn't have r+ last time I looked this morning
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12:28:24 <aleth> I can check it in then
12:28:51 <clokep_work> aleth: Put up an im/ version on that bug and then check both in? ;)
12:29:21 <aleth> Sure
12:34:02 <aleth> clokep_work: r?
12:34:52 <clokep_work> aleth: r+!
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12:51:01 <clokep_work> Do we need to port http://hg.mozilla.org/comm-central/rev/4b11354bfcf1 at all?
12:51:07 <clokep_work> FORCE_PR_LOG stuff
12:51:16 <clokep_work> And we likely hae to port http://hg.mozilla.org/comm-central/rev/8d1c850ff12b ?
12:52:58 <aleth> I don't think we have any FORCE_PR_LOG
12:53:29 <aleth> And I already ported localstore -> XULstore, is this fresh bustage?
12:56:57 <clokep_work> It's one of the most recent commits.
12:57:01 <flo-retina> if we have one, it's in purpleDebug
12:57:03 <clokep_work> Also note that I didn't say it was a bustage. ;)
12:57:11 <flo-retina> but I also don't think we have any FORCE_PR_LOG
12:58:01 <aleth> clokep_work: Bug 1057410
12:58:03 <instantbot> Bug https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=1057410 nor, --, 1.6, aleth, RESO FIXED, Move from localstore.rdf to xulStore following its depreciation in Bug 559505.
12:58:05 <flo-retina> aleth: looks to me like we have just been faster and we have already handled that
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12:59:16 <clokep_work> FWIW http://dxr.mozilla.org/comm-central/search?q=localstore+path%3Aim%2F&redirect=true brings up a few things already.
13:00:32 <aleth> Ah, maybe we still need the packaging changes/
13:01:53 <aleth> Indeed https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/attachment.cgi?id=8476829&action=diff only adds xulstore, it doesn't remove localstore
13:02:47 <aleth> But /mail still has it too
13:03:33 <aleth> So does /browser
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13:32:26 <clokep_work> aleth: Ah, OK. Thanks. :)
13:32:33 <clokep_work> And thanks for pushing that code!
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14:29:12 <clokep_work> aleth: Thanks for looking at the password stuff.
14:29:16 <clokep_work> I'll try your patch tonight. :)
14:29:56 <aleth> c-c looks green-ish again :)
14:35:22 <clokep_work> aleth: So is there a URL that immediately jumps to c-c then?
14:35:38 <aleth> https://treeherder.mozilla.org/ui/#/jobs?repo=comm-central
14:37:28 <clokep_work> That's a disgusting URL. :-\
14:37:35 <aleth> #, yeah
14:37:53 <clokep_work> But thanks. :)
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14:39:49 <qheaden> Hi all.
14:40:55 <clokep_work> Hello qheaden.
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15:05:55 <clokep_work> aleth: That push did look fairly green! :)
15:07:21 <aleth> Yes, not much to star there :)
15:15:02 <instant-buildbot> build #1207 of linux-nightly-default is complete: Success [3build successful]  Build details are at http://buildbot.instantbird.org/builders/linux-nightly-default/builds/1207
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15:51:27 <kapy_> hello, i'm new to open source and has started doing some bug fixes in mozilla
15:52:02 <kapy_> i was talking with flo and he told me about this amazing app he built
15:54:14 <kapy_> i want to participate in gsoc 2015 by contributing to instantbird and i came up with an idea that i would like to share
15:56:07 <clokep_work> kapy_: Hello! Welcome. :)
15:56:19 * clokep_work wonders where you met flo.
15:56:24 <kapy_> thanks
15:56:29 <clokep_work> kapy_: What's your idea?
15:56:35 <clokep_work> (Also I'm totally about to go get lunch. :-\)
15:56:48 <kapy_> i want to add chatheads to it
15:57:34 <kapy_> like the fb messenger for android and ios
15:57:51 <clokep_work> I'm not familiar with that. :-\ Maybe a screenshot would help?
15:58:04 <kapy_> see this video https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Yp71mdEuQ4k
15:58:29 <kapy_> its the chat heads from google+ for desktop
16:02:13 <clokep_work> Interesting.
16:02:46 <kapy_> so what do you think ?
16:02:51 <clokep_work> Was your hope to make this part of the core of IB or as an extension?
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16:02:59 <clokep_work> I don't normally deal w/ UI so I'll refrain from commenting.
16:03:05 <kapy_> core of IB
16:03:17 <clokep_work> I'm also seriously going to eat my fingers if I don't leave so...maybe flo-retina has some ideas. (or aleth)
16:03:33 <kapy_> ok, thanks
16:05:38 <kapy_> flo-retina, @aleth__what do you think about my idea ??
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16:15:52 <kapy_> hello, is anybody here :)
16:16:13 <aleth> kapy_: Hi
16:16:32 <kapy_> hello
16:17:09 <aleth> Whether we ultimately took it into the core or not, that kind of big alternative UI is best prototyped as an add-on
16:17:45 <aleth> Much easier for other people to test your WIPs that way
16:17:53 <kapy_> yeah sure, we can add that as an addon
16:18:17 <aleth> So basically, it's a bubble-shapped contact list?
16:18:38 <kapy_> yeah, i know it can disturb the stability of the app so addon looks a good option
16:19:11 <aleth> Btw if you have questions, you can just post them here, usually someone will eventually see it
16:19:11 <kapy_> yeah a bubble shaped contact that glows when someone messages you
16:19:32 <kapy_> yeah sure, tanks
16:19:37 <kapy_> *thanks
16:20:38 <kapy_> i also want to add some features to it that other chat head apps don't have
16:21:39 <kapy_> did you liked the idea ?
16:21:54 <aleth> Go for it :)
16:22:33 <kapy_> wow, thanks 
16:22:34 <aleth> I can see a bunch of potential problems, but you can figure those out as you go. I don't think it's my preferred UI, but that's a matter of opinion, and I'm sure there will be users who love it.
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16:23:21 <aleth> The great thing about the mozilla add-on system is that they are almost unlimited in what they can do to change the app's behaviour.
16:24:08 <kapy_> i think its a great ui, people like it and the current ui of ib is old
16:25:17 <clokep_work> I think it's an interesting concept. I wouldn't say the UI of IB is "old" (btw be careful about phrasing of things when talking about something someone has invested a lot of time in...)
16:25:28 <clokep_work> If there are aspects that you think could be more innovative, we'd love to hear them.
16:25:38 <clokep_work> What happens with this chat heads thing when I want more than like 4 contactS?
16:25:44 <aleth> I don't see a problem with an add-on providing an alternative UI
16:25:51 <aleth> Whether chat heads are in fact a better UI no doubt depends on how well it's implemented ;)
16:26:26 <aleth> Another thing to consider: how to deal with contacts that don't have pictures, and how to deal with chats like IRC channels
16:27:01 <kapy_> i didn't mean that the ui is bad or something
16:27:13 <kapy_> its great and simple
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16:27:51 * clokep_work finds it hard to believe we're talking about GSoC 15 already. :-S
16:28:24 <kapy_> yeah, i know you people have worked hard and i'm grateful to you people for maintaining this project
16:28:31 <aleth> kapy_: I'll be happy to try it when you have it working ;)
16:28:49 <kapy_> yeah, sure
16:29:31 <aleth> Whether it would work *as a gsoc project* we would have to discuss further
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16:31:42 <aleth> You'd need a mentor, a fully worked our proposal, etc
16:31:52 <aleth> s/our/out
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16:32:28 <kapy_> why ?
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16:32:44 <aleth> Because there is an application process?
16:34:50 <aleth> There's a difference between "is this a feasible thing to code for Instantbird" and "is it a good gsoc project", and I was talking about the first question. Sorry to have caused confusion
16:35:22 <kapy_> oh sorry i thought you have written you'd not
16:35:49 <kapy_> sorry it was a misunderstanding
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16:36:24 <kapy_> yeah i would need a mentor and a proposal
16:38:01 <aleth> It's generally a good idea if you're considering gsoc with Instantbird to look for an existing bug and fix it, to get some familiarity with the codebase and the way we work.
16:43:33 <kapy_> yeah right
16:44:29 * clokep_work wonders if it's reasonable to check in some of those chat things?
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16:47:50 <aleth> clokep_work: sure
16:48:31 <kapy_> aleth can you send me the link for mentored bugs for instantbird so that i can start with 
16:49:44 <aleth> We don't really have a good list
16:50:06 <clokep_work> aleth: We do in fact. ;)
16:50:18 <aleth> There's https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/buglist.cgi?quicksearch=first%20bug&product=Chat%20Core&product=Instantbird&product=Instantbird%20Servers&list_id=11453025 but you can just browse bugzilla really and ask whether something that you would like to see fixed is doable
16:50:31 <clokep_work> kapy_: http://www.joshmatthews.net/bugsahoy/?instantbird=1
16:50:42 <aleth> Not much UI stuff on there.
16:50:46 <clokep_work> But I'd suggest finding something *you'd* like to see fixed. :)
16:50:56 <kapy_> thanks
16:50:59 <kapy_> awesome guyz
16:56:21 <kapy_> hey what is this - CTCP VERSION from clokep_work
16:57:03 <clokep_work> kapy_: I was curious what IRC client you were using.
16:57:15 <clokep_work> Why your client is actually showing you that you'll need to take up with them.
16:58:02 <kapy_> i'm using AdilRC :)
16:59:49 <clokep_work> I noticed.
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17:19:46 <instant-buildbot> build #103 of linux64-nightly-default is complete: Success [3build successful]  Build details are at http://buildbot.instantbird.org/builders/linux64-nightly-default/builds/103
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17:26:39 <clokep_work> Coo coo coo!
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17:26:48 <clokep_work> Uhh missing some Ls in there. (o_O)
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17:36:01 * clokep_work wonders what https://hg.mozilla.org/comm-central/rev/bb0fb5a2d6fd is about
17:36:17 <clokep_work> aleth: Looks like JosiahOne beat you to it. :)
17:36:42 <Mook_as> IIRC, Windows now does opt-in to newer version's features
17:36:51 <aleth> clokep_work: great, I don't have time atm
17:37:09 <Mook_as> so for every OS release you need to add a guid in there to say "yep, I've heard of Windows X"
17:40:20 <clokep_work> Mook_as: That's dumb. :(
17:40:23 <clokep_work> We'll need to port hat then.
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17:43:47 <Mook_as> Unfortunately, I don't know of a non-dumb solution to the general problem of backwards compatibility
17:45:05 <flo-retina> that doesn't seem very new to me
17:45:14 <flo-retina> Windows XP already had a similar annoyance
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17:45:49 <Mook_as> XP was the thing to opt into common controls, right?
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17:47:06 <kapy_> hey i have unbundled comm-central.hg and pulled the latest updates
17:47:19 <kapy_> how do i build it
17:48:01 <kapy_> i have also set mozconfig to ac_add_options --enable-application=im
17:48:23 <aleth> https://developer.mozilla.org/en-US/docs/Simple_Instantbird_build
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18:00:29 <clokep_work> aleth: Just an FYI, I do try to keep that page as identical to Simple Thunderbird Build as possible...
18:00:37 <flo-retina> Mook_as: I remember we had to bundle XML manifests into executable files for things to look reasonable
18:01:10 <aleth> clokep_work: I will happily make the same changes to the TB page.
18:01:17 <aleth> Obsolete stuff is obsolete.
18:03:40 <Mook_as> Dunno, "looking like Win95" can be considered reasonable... :p
18:04:42 <flo-retina> Mook_as: at the time you probably had to opt in to not look like Win3.1 :-P
18:08:28 <clokep_work> aleth: Thanks! :)
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18:22:35 <flo-retina> re bug 1026784, do you all have any preference for mainpopupset or mainPopupSet?
18:22:38 <instantbot> Bug https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=1026784 tri, --, ---, kpsingh201091, NEW, Remove the <popupset id="mainpopupset"> element from the blist.xul DOM
18:24:58 <flo-retina> hmm, probably better to keep the ids as they were in the window .xul files, and change them in the overlays, so that we don't "break" existing add-ons
18:27:29 <clokep_work> flo-retina: That pref doesn't even exist for me.
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18:27:47 <kapy_> to build instantbird i need to run ./mozilla/mach build 
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18:27:53 <flo-retina> clokep_work: it's not a "preference"
18:27:58 <flo-retina> I was asking what you prefer :-/
18:28:06 <flo-retina> but I think I made my mind already
18:28:07 <clokep_work> flo-retina: You asked for a preference! :-D
18:28:09 <kapy_> but there is no mach in comm-central
18:28:23 <clokep_work> kapy_: I don't see a question in there?
18:28:36 <clokep_work> flo-retina: I agree, change the overlays.
18:29:30 <kapy_> if there is no mach how do i build it ?
18:30:02 <clokep_work> kapy_: Didn't you just find ./mozilla/mach? :-S
18:30:11 <clokep_work> kapy_: https://developer.mozilla.org/en-US/docs/Simple_Instantbird_build#Building_Instantbird
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18:44:37 <clokep_work> (kapy_ if that's not clear, please ask questions. But please make sure you read it closely first!)
18:45:18 <kapy_> yeah, i'm currently reading the instructions
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18:52:55 <instantbot> clokep@gmail.com changed the Resolution on bug 955391 from --- to INCOMPLETE.
18:52:56 <instantbot> Bug https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=955391 nor, --, ---, nobody, RESO INCOMPLETE, Missing Twitter Messages
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20:02:19 * aleth wonders what this is about "Failed to load native module at path '/Applications/Instantbird.app/Contents/Resources/components/libxpcomsample.dylib': (80004005) <unknown; can't get error from NSPR>"
20:05:29 <instantbot> New Chat Core - IRC bug 1089809 filed by aleth@instantbird.org.
20:05:30 <instantbot> Bug https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=1089809 nor, --, ---, nobody, NEW, Unhandled IRC modes +rx
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20:11:03 <clokep_work> Patch coming up? ;)
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20:16:00 * aleth ponders marking it [good first bug]
20:16:22 <aleth> but IRC modes are hardly good
20:18:12 <flo-retina> that's why it's not [first good bug] ;)
20:19:56 <aleth> ahaha
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20:30:38 <clokep_work> aleth: I did something similar with another IRC modes bug earlier. :-D
20:30:41 <clokep_work> Mark yourself as a mentor. :P
20:30:47 <aleth> I did.
20:31:08 <aleth> In the spirit of sharing the pain, or at least the mode list URL
20:33:43 <clokep_work> :)
20:33:51 <clokep_work> If I do it...can I ask you questions? ;)
20:34:09 <clokep_work> And complain about how awful that code is?
20:34:40 <aleth> If you like ;)
20:35:15 <aleth> I don't think the mode code is worse than the messiness that is IRC modes. It can hardly be better
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20:39:27 <aleth> User mode +x: User receives notices about servers connecting/disconnecting
20:39:29 <aleth> really?
20:39:46 * aleth hasn't received any info like that
20:41:16 <aleth> +r has three conflicting meanings depending on which software the server is running
20:41:23 <aleth> yay, irc ;)
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20:43:19 <Mook_as> for the mozilla.org server, at least, +x is cloak (just like unreal): https://wiki.inspircd.org/User_Modes
20:43:44 <aleth> Mook_as: ah, that explains it, +x has conflicting meanings too ;)
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20:45:01 <Mook_as> it sounds like it would be easier to figure out which modes _don't_ have conflicting meanings
20:45:21 <Mook_as> (... which is still ~impossible unless you have a survey of all ircds of course)
20:45:49 <aleth> There's this https://www.alien.net.au/irc/usermodes.html but as you've just demonstrated, it's incomplete
20:46:17 <aleth> The blue ones don't conflict
20:46:55 <Mook_as> Right; in this case, it matches ircu/Unreal ("host hiding")
20:47:20 <aleth> Yes
20:47:34 <aleth> "+k: The client is a God." interesting...
20:48:42 <aleth> Hmm, +Q would probably break us quite badly
20:53:13 <flo-retina> what is it?
20:53:35 <aleth> "Forces an Oper to appear to part all channels, however still receives messages."
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21:59:17 <aleth> ^^ weird quit message
22:01:25 <EionRobb> what was the quit message?
22:01:59 <aleth> "A TLS packet with unexpected length was received"
22:02:04 <aleth> Sounds like a shutdown bug
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23:09:32 <flo-retina> aleth: seems to be what we had as "I/O error" before
23:09:43 <flo-retina> and yes, I shutdown the machine and forgot Instantbird was running
23:10:11 <aleth> yes :-S I had hoped that bug had disappeared
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23:10:23 <aleth> But it's probably just Linux-only
23:10:50 <Mook_as> Is that actually controlled by the client, or the IRC server?
23:11:42 <aleth> It's the socket not sending all the pending data (we think)
23:12:18 * clokep shrugs.
23:12:24 <clokep> You still quit OK . ;)
23:12:27 <aleth> And so moznet 1.0 said "I/O error" and moznet 2.0 says "packet with unexpected length"
23:13:00 * clokep wants to checkin stuff soon...
23:13:04 <clokep> But I need to do a few errands first
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