#instantbird log on 10 22 2014

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00:02:11 <clokep> Haha! Sorry.
00:02:21 <clokep> Thanks for stealing that review btw. :)
00:02:27 <clokep> I'm trying ot make that guy into a contributor. ;)
00:02:57 <aleth> Yes, that's definitely the secret plan ;) He seems to be making himself one on his own anyway...
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00:11:16 <aleth> Hmm, I hope my r- didn't come across as snarky. Wasn't intended that way
00:12:53 <clokep> Not at all. :)
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00:35:05 <clokep> So apparenly we use "servername" *a lot*
00:35:36 <clokep> sed t othe rescue?!
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00:43:46 * clokep feels bad for whoever reviews this patch. ;)
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01:33:18 <DGMurdockIII> why so much focaus on irc
01:33:36 <DGMurdockIII> why not just make a irc client if you want to make a irc client
01:34:02 <DGMurdockIII> i mean if you want that much focas on irc
01:34:06 <clokep> DGMurdockIII: Instantbird does IRC.
01:34:11 <clokep> And I don't know what you're referring to.
01:34:23 <DGMurdockIII> yes
01:34:24 <DGMurdockIII> i now\
01:34:30 <DGMurdockIII> it supports irc
01:34:47 <clokep> I hope you realize that that statement you made sounds vaguely insulting btw.
01:35:42 <DGMurdockIII> im seeing a lot of work beeing put in too the support for irc support and it looking some of the other stuff like the setting interface overhall that it says it keep going to happen 
01:36:09 <DGMurdockIII> dtaken away from stuff like that
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01:37:24 <DGMurdockIII> dont get me wrong it should have good irc support but i need good multi protocol 
01:37:36 <DGMurdockIII> support like file sharing 
01:37:48 <DGMurdockIII> you shee what i mean
01:38:28 <clokep> I don't know what setting interface overhaul you're talking about.
01:38:41 <clokep> And I wouldn't say any work is really taking away from any other.
01:41:30 <DGMurdockIII> let me tell you what i mean about setting interface overhaul
01:42:21 <DGMurdockIII> u see what this says http://i.imgur.com/tnBBcfG.png
01:47:12 <clokep> I see the settings window.
01:47:23 <clokep> As far as I know no one has been planning to redo that.
01:47:26 <clokep> Unless you are.
01:48:11 <DGMurdockIII> the merge stuff
01:48:37 <DGMurdockIII> where it say the follow two part will be merge merge in a later verson
01:48:50 <DGMurdockIII> parts i mean
01:51:26 <clokep> I don't understand what that means, sorry.
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01:56:04 <Fallen> DGMurdockIII: working on JS-IRC is actually a step towards merging those two settings
01:56:44 <DGMurdockIII> is anyting beside IRC stuff being working on
01:56:46 <Fallen> the first one is for libpurple. If all important account types that were in libpurple are written in JS, then there is no need for the extra setting and libpurple can be removed or moved into an extension
01:57:11 <Fallen> Since I'm not an instantbird person I can't say, but from what I have been hearing, there are a lot of other things being worked on
01:57:18 <Fallen> webrtc support for example
01:57:35 <DGMurdockIII> Fallen, you dont use instantbird
01:57:45 <Fallen> I use it, but I don't develop for it
01:57:53 <DGMurdockIII> ok i dont use it for irc
01:58:01 <DGMurdockIII> i use hexchat
01:58:29 <Fallen> I guess its a matter of taste. I only use Instantbird for IRC actually
01:58:35 <Fallen> oh gtalk
01:58:41 <clokep> There are lots of things being worked on. I don't get why you say it's the only thing being worked on.
01:59:04 <DGMurdockIII> well it seems like most of the time i only see talk about irc
01:59:06 <DGMurdockIII> stuff 
01:59:10 <Fallen> clokep: hmm strange. I didn't see you leave, but the channel list says you are not here
01:59:33 <Fallen> and you are obviously talking here :-P
02:00:30 <DGMurdockIII> if the instantbird irc had better handleing of channel topic so they dont take of half the chat 
02:00:46 <clokep> Fallen: aleth fixed that this week: https://hg.mozilla.org/comm-central/rev/fd014df4dd07
02:01:05 <Fallen> ah cool. Maybe I should upgrade to a nightly then
02:01:15 <clokep> Fallen: Tomorrow's nightly will have it fixed, yeah.
02:01:21 <DGMurdockIII> on the defult window size i would think about using instantbird for irc
02:01:27 <clokep> The new IRC server broke a few things, one was our fault. One there.s ;)
02:01:37 <clokep> But we just fixed both of them. Should be in the next nightly.
02:01:46 <DGMurdockIII> and if you had a server list
02:01:52 <Fallen> cool :-)
02:02:00 <clokep> DGMurdockIII: You don't pay attention then, last week all that was discussed was XMPP and WebRTC.
02:02:20 <DGMurdockIII> ok
02:02:47 <DGMurdockIII> sorry
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02:03:37 <DGMurdockIII> but also i suggested long time that instead of makeing user type in server you provde t hem with a list to pic from like most irc client do
02:04:20 <DGMurdockIII> clokep, have you looked in to doing that
02:05:37 <DGMurdockIII> WebRTC would be nice for doing video chat
02:05:39 <Fallen> but thats another IRC thing. They won't have enough time for other things then!
02:06:19 <clokep> DGMurdockIII: We have talked about it yes, it's no trivial.
02:06:48 <DGMurdockIII> you know you can pull the list from mirc site
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02:07:49 <DGMurdockIII> the ini file
02:08:11 <DGMurdockIII> http://www.mirc.com/serverslist.html
02:08:18 <DGMurdockIII> that u get here
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02:16:14 <clokep> I don't see how that helps.
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02:19:37 <clokep> The hard part isn't making a list, it's integrating it into the UI
02:27:08 <clokep> And rejiggering the interfaces that don't take any of this concept into accounts.
02:27:13 <clokep> It's been discussed, it's just not easy.
02:28:00 <clokep> It's also kind of meh since we don't set up accounts lal that often we don't deal witth the pain frequently.
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02:48:41 <DGMurdockIII> but think of the users
02:51:45 <Fallen> I don't think users set up accounts that often either. I'd personally prefer if they concentrated on other features, but I guess its all a matter of perspective
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04:16:08 <instant-buildbot> build #1559 of win32-nightly-default is complete: Success [3build successful]  Build details are at http://buildbot.instantbird.org/builders/win32-nightly-default/builds/1559
04:53:15 <instant-buildbot> build #97 of linux64-nightly-default is complete: Failure [4failed shell_5]  Build details are at http://buildbot.instantbird.org/builders/linux64-nightly-default/builds/97
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06:26:19 <instant-buildbot> build #2397 of macosx-nightly-default is complete: Success [3build successful]  Build details are at http://buildbot.instantbird.org/builders/macosx-nightly-default/builds/2397
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08:29:53 <DGMurdockIII> Fallen|away, it would make the use expernce better
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09:56:11 <flo-retina> ohoh, the tabbar-of-the-wrong-color bug I've been seeing for years when moving an Instantbird conversation window to a non-retina external screen is not visible today! :)
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10:06:26 <nhnt11> :O
10:06:36 * nhnt11 will try when he reaches his room
10:06:41 <nhnt11> (last test in 25 mins)
10:08:46 <flo-retina> nhnt11: there's still the ugly flash with a white or broken area displayed for ~1s
10:08:53 <flo-retina> but after that flash finishes, the window looks OK
10:09:41 <flo-retina> does that mean you'll be in vacations in a few hours? :)
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10:25:17 * aleth wonders if IRC will be unbroken today
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10:46:47 <clokep> aleth: I hope so!
10:46:49 <clokep> I should update. :)
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10:48:30 <clokep> It drives me crazy that the auto-join rooms are in the ordre of my auto-join list and not the order I last had them in the UI. :-\
10:49:02 <aleth> yeah, one of these days we really should do session restore
10:49:11 <aleth> can't be that hard
11:01:42 <flo-retina> clokep: so it's possible --enable-release and signing wasn't an issue
11:01:50 <flo-retina> sorry for not noticing the path issue yesterday :-/
11:05:31 <clokep> Not a problem.
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11:48:31 <nhnt11> flo-retina: I'm on the latest nightly and still see the bug :(
11:48:39 <nhnt11> (The tabbar thing)
11:48:44 <nhnt11> Maybe it's not fixed on 10.10 yet or something...
11:49:36 <nhnt11> http://log.bezut.info/instantbird/today/#m172 Yes, tomorrow and friday are holidays for Diwali :)
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11:50:03 <nhnt11> Aha!
11:50:14 <nhnt11> After restarting Instantbird I no longer see the broken tabbar color
11:50:29 <nhnt11> Maybe Ib needs to be started while connected to an external display?
11:51:07 * nhnt11 feels motivated to look at porting Australis tabs (at least for OS X) soon
11:51:27 <aleth> :-)
11:51:30 <nhnt11> The current tabs look especially out of place on 10.10...
11:51:33 <aleth> Happy Diwali :)
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11:51:37 <nhnt11> Thanks!
11:51:59 <nhnt11> I'll likely be offline till tomorrow night fyi
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12:25:48 <flo-retina> nhnt11: I think I would be even more motivated to port australis tabs if I used Ib on Windows ;)
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12:42:35 <clokep_work> aleth: Good call on the tests, I guess my sed call wasn't recursive. :)
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12:58:36 <clokep_work> aleth: So I don't love referring to the nickname when we really want the servername, but I guess we really don't care which one we have.
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13:04:27 <qheaden> clokep_work: I think I asked this before, but are there any ideas or plans on implementing account syncing with Ib?
13:04:34 <qheaden> Kinda like how Firefox has sync.
13:05:27 <clokep_work> qheaden: It's been discussed before.
13:05:32 <clokep_work> I think you just volunteered to do it?
13:05:49 <clokep_work> aleth: the ircMessage object has no reference to the account. :'(
13:05:57 <qheaden> lol
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13:13:09 <clokep_work> qheaden: But seriously, it has been discussed yes. I think Florian has some ideas on it too.
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13:28:10 <Armada> I can't connect to XMPP conferences on my ejabberd server, users with other clients have no problem connecting to it
13:28:58 <Armada> I'm getting very helpful error messages again "notify: purple_notify_message"
13:29:47 <aleth> Armada: Is there anything special about the conferences you are trying to join? Password protection or...?
13:30:08 <Armada> nope
13:30:13 <Armada> no password
13:31:06 <Armada> hmmm, I'm not getting any more error message, but I also can't see anything else happening when I try to join
13:33:05 <Armada> I think it's the DNS SRV records
13:34:31 <aleth> Armada: Are you using Instantbird or Thunderbird?
13:34:37 <Armada> I tried both
13:34:43 <aleth> oh.
13:34:56 <aleth> They use different XMPP implementations, so that's interesting.
13:35:12 <aleth> Can you file a bug with a debug log?
13:36:05 <Armada> where can I get a debug log
13:36:17 <Armada> might help me find the problem since there is no feedback at all
13:36:18 <aleth> Account manager -> right-click on the account
13:36:43 <aleth> Do it just after the problem occurs, ideally after a fresh connect and join
13:37:09 <clokep_work> If it needs DNS SRV, Thunderbird won't work.
13:38:43 <Armada> clokep_work: A direct connection also doesn't work. Shouldn't I at least get an error somewhere? Even the error console doesn't tell me that anything went wrong
13:39:32 <aleth> Bah, I'm not sure the debug log from libpurple prpls is very useful :-S
13:39:44 <Armada> aleth: it's empty for me
13:39:55 <aleth> Armada: OK, then we need to switch to JS-XMPP
13:40:01 <aleth> Just for the purposes of getting the log
13:40:08 <flo-retina> aleth: it shouldn't be empty, unless the account has been disconnected
13:40:23 <flo-retina> aleth: but setting the log level in about:config may be needed to actually log what happens
13:40:25 <Armada> it's just a copy-paste right?
13:42:16 <Armada> hmmm, when I log into my account it gives me a "Cloudn't look up SRV record. DNS name does not exist." in the error log even though it succesfully resolved and connected to it
13:42:39 <Armada> this is my SRV record: https://kingant.net/check_xmpp_dns/?h=aerix.nl
13:43:22 <Armada> it would've been helpful if it indicated which DNS name it tried to resolve
13:44:07 <aleth> Armada: So after you've connected and sent some messages, the debug log is still empty?
13:44:38 <Armada> aleth: yes
13:44:41 <aleth> Try changing purple.debug.loglevel to 1 as flo-retina suggested
13:44:59 <aleth> flo-retina: are you sure debug logs work for libpurple?
13:45:33 <Armada> it works now, previous log level was 3
13:45:57 <aleth> Yes, if you have 1 it will spam the error console.
13:46:53 <flo-retina> aleth: yes, I'm sure
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13:46:57 <flo-retina> I spent enough time crafting that code
13:47:03 <flo-retina> or at least I'm sure it did work
13:47:17 <Armada> http://pastie.org/private/axigr9uvzynwxf43qx4sva
13:47:21 <Armada> that's my debug log
13:47:49 <Armada> only the last line was generated when I tried connecting to the conference room
13:49:04 <aleth> That's very short :-|
13:49:25 <aleth> Armada: Can you try something? Change the forceprpl pref to not contain XMPP, then restart, and get another debug log
13:49:48 <aleth> s/forceprpl/forcepurple
13:51:02 <Armada> it doesn't contain XMPP
13:51:18 <Armada> oh wait, jabber is there
13:52:08 <Armada> aleth: unable to connect since it can't resolve the SRV record
13:52:25 <Armada> I'll manually add the server
13:52:26 <clokep_work> You need to provide the server name in that case.
13:52:44 <clokep_work> The implementation you're using now doesn't actually support DNS SRV at all. :(
13:53:14 <aleth> clokep_work: Did you come to any conclusion at the summit about how to move DNS SRV forward?
13:54:31 <Armada> aleth: different debug log, but it says the same thing, it tries to send a presence notification and that's it
13:54:58 <aleth> There should be more detail though, can you paste it?
13:55:35 <Armada> this one contains a lot more private info, so I'll only paste the relevant lines
13:55:39 <aleth> sure
13:56:07 <aleth> do remove all the private stuff!
13:57:11 <Armada> aleth: http://pastie.org/private/xjry6qvrp59ws6nacscchq
13:57:19 <Armada> that's it, the rest is just info about my contacts
13:57:50 <aleth> That looks like the server doesn't respond at all to the attempted join
13:58:02 <aleth> I assume normal messages work?
13:58:06 <Armada> yes
13:59:00 <Armada> let me try a different client myself, so far I've been going by reports from 2 other users that it actually works at all, though I do know the relevant modules are enabled on the server\
13:59:30 <aleth> It would be great to find out what the other clients are sending, if a join works there. Since IB doesn't receive anything back from the server to guide us
14:04:42 <clokep_work> aleth: I think it was "Add a server somewhere that can do it or create a custom service in c-c."
14:05:27 <clokep_work> aleth: Where "service" in taht sentence is in the XPCOM sense, I think.
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14:06:37 <Armada> aleth: Strange, with Pidgin I get 
14:06:37 <Armada> 407: Registration Required
14:08:43 <Armada> I can create new rooms though
14:09:15 <Armada> even in Instantbird
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14:17:45 <Armada> aleth: looks like the other two users accidentally set the room to private
14:21:04 <clokep_work> Ah, so the server was specifically eating your message?
14:21:07 <clokep_work> That's annoying.
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14:21:49 <Armada> clokep_work: not really, pidgin instantly recognized that registration was required while IB silently fails
14:22:52 <aleth> Armada: I wonder how it recognizes it, the server doesn't seem to reply at all
14:23:12 <clokep_work> I wonder if we're missing an API. :-\
14:23:18 <aleth> Seems likely :-S
14:24:17 <flo-retina> aleth: could be capability discovery
14:24:53 <aleth> flo-retina: could be!
14:25:36 <aleth> Especially since joining rooms seems to work via presence too
14:27:25 <Armada> aleth: I am able to connect normally now since we made the room public, but it makes no difference for the log, even on a succesfully connection all you see in there is the presence notification
14:27:34 <Armada> -ly
14:33:45 <Armada> however the error log did give an error
14:33:56 <Armada> <Armada> I'm getting very helpful error messages again "notify: purple_notify_message"
14:34:25 <Armada> so purple did try to notify us, unfortunately IB only displays the type as opposed to the actual message
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14:42:58 <instantbot> New Chat Core - XMPP bug 1087357 filed by aleth@instantbird.org.
14:42:59 <instantbot> Bug https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=1087357 nor, --, ---, nobody, NEW, XMPP does not detect when rooms are private and cannot be joined
14:43:00 <aleth> Armada: ^^
14:43:07 <flo-retina> ah, Pidgin 2.10.10 has been released
14:43:29 <clokep_work> Yep.
14:43:33 <Armada> aleth: thanks
14:43:36 <clokep_work> Some of the security updates are pretty bad.
14:43:46 <clokep_work> Or at least sound scary. ;)
14:44:22 <aleth> ouch
14:44:34 <aleth> Is there a new libpurple out at the same time?
14:45:38 <flo-retina> aleth: yes
14:48:33 <clokep_work> aleth: libpurple isn't released separately.
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14:52:55 <flo-retina> do we actually know what the state of ib-on-comm-beta is?
14:53:19 <clokep_work> Nope! :)
14:53:38 <flo-retina> I'm assuming we would probably think about releasing off of what's currently in beta
14:53:41 <flo-retina> ie. 34
14:53:43 * aleth fixed some blockers recently
14:54:04 <aleth> so we'd want to uplift those
14:54:12 * clokep_work finds it confusing to know *when* things in chat/instantbird landed.
14:55:30 <aleth> We have to change our version numbers to match the trees, then it'll be easier;)
14:58:45 <clokep_work> Or maybe just add Instantbird 1.6 (Thunderbird xy) to some things...
14:59:15 <aleth> I don't see any reason not to just go to Instantbird 34
14:59:30 <clokep_work> I'm unsure if you're serious or not.
14:59:37 * clokep_work is annoyed at https://developer.pidgin.im/ticket/15750 still
14:59:48 <aleth> I'm fairly serious.
15:00:03 <aleth> Fairly as I haven't thought hard about it ;)
15:00:26 <aleth> It would only make sense if we could actually release more regularly of course.
15:02:40 <flo-retina> aleth: we would release 34, 36, 38, ...
15:02:43 <aleth> Right.
15:02:57 <flo-retina> there's nothing seriously preventing us from releasing more frequently
15:06:36 <clokep_work> Motivation. :)
15:08:51 <flo-retina> yeah
15:08:57 <flo-retina> there are several non-serious causes
15:09:02 <flo-retina> like needing to go buy a switch
15:09:07 <flo-retina> finding space to power on more minis
15:09:11 <flo-retina> finding time to set them up
15:09:12 <flo-retina> ...
15:10:58 <aleth> making each release easier...
15:11:13 <flo-retina> automating the whole thing ;)
15:15:57 * clokep_work is pretty sure he can order Florian a router from Amazon right now. :P
15:16:04 <clokep_work> s/router/switch/
15:16:46 <flo-retina> clokep_work: shipping it to France from amazon.com would be expensive :-P
15:16:56 <clokep_work> flo-retina: amazon.fr?
15:16:58 <clokep_work> :P
15:17:14 <flo-retina> clokep_work: the real reason why I haven't setup all that stuff yet is that I'm not excited by having all that mess in my living room
15:17:25 <flo-retina> I was hoping to finish my office "soon" and install that properly
15:18:29 <flo-retina> the switch thing isn't a really compelling excuse anyway, as there are a few ports left on my router and a few more ports left on the airport extreme thingy
15:19:27 <clokep_work> Well, regardless...should we try to figure out what's *not* in 34 and see if we need to land things on beta and try to release on 34?
15:23:07 <flo-retina> I would also like to figure out a wake-on-lan system so that buildbot can wakeup the slaves when we want to build a beta/release
15:23:55 <flo-retina> aleth: btw, I suspect we would have surprised related to the update server if we changed dramatically our version numbers
15:24:15 <flo-retina> (but that's not a reason not to do it; it's just that we need to take time to look into that too)
15:24:17 <aleth> It doesn't like two-digit integers?
15:24:30 <aleth> Or just that it's odd to go up by more than 1
15:24:46 <flo-retina> aleth: it's more that I suspect we have stuff checking for "0." vs "1."
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16:57:45 <clokep_work> aleth: Btw is tab complete purposefully case sensitive?
16:58:52 <aleth> clokep_work: Yes, but only if you have at least one upper case letter in what you are completing
16:59:26 <aleth> i.e. if you type something that looks case-sensitive, the completion notices
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17:11:07 <instantbot> aleth@instantbird.org changed the Resolution on bug 955595 from FIXED to ---.
17:11:09 <instantbot> Bug https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=955595 nor, --, 1.6, clokep, REOP, Figure out how to handle ISUPPORT info for LIST
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17:28:00 <clokep_work> aleth: RGR Thanks.
17:28:49 <aleth> clokep_work: unfortunate...
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17:40:03 <clokep_work> aleth: Btw we'll want to pref off both the back and front endxs.
17:40:45 <aleth> clokep_work: Hmm, isn't it enough if we respond to all video calls by declining them, as in the current patch?
17:41:15 <aleth> Maybe not for TB :-/
17:42:56 <flo-retina> aleth: we still need to hide the camera icon in the UI
17:43:11 <aleth> flo-retina: I did that part
17:43:31 <flo-retina> :)
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19:42:51 <instantbot> New Chat Core - IRC bug 1087566 filed by aleth@instantbird.org.
19:42:53 <instantbot> Bug https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=1087566 nor, --, ---, aleth, ASSI, Automatically try to get your nick back if it's still in use on connecting. r=clokep
19:44:17 <aleth> It's empty-the-mq day
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23:15:05 <clokep> aleth: So...you gonna back that patch out?
23:15:10 <clokep> Was there anything we needed to keep in it?
23:15:30 <aleth> Let me check
23:16:16 <aleth> I guess not?
23:16:20 <aleth> Shame about all the work.
23:16:49 <clokep> Yeah. :-\
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23:18:51 <aleth> At least it means we investigated the issue and don't have to worry about it... hopefully
23:20:54 <flo-retina> aleth: on mac the textbox very likely need a -moz-appearance: none if you want to get rid of the _native_ blue highlight
23:21:45 <aleth> flo-retina: I wasn't sure that was desired, so I didn't suggest it
23:22:26 <flo-retina> "that"=the red outline?
23:23:41 <aleth> "that" = getting rid of the blue native highlight
23:24:24 <aleth> Basically it would need trying it out to see what it looked like, and I was doing other things
23:24:38 <clokep> Like being sick. :)
23:26:37 <flo-retina> clokep: tss :-P
23:28:48 <EionRobb> kinda interesting that the "outline" style property doesn't control the native outline :)
23:31:31 <flo-retina> EionRobb: no CSS property controls the native styles.
23:31:51 <flo-retina> EionRobb: it's either native (ie. follow what the OS does) or CSS styled. It can't be both.
23:34:11 <EionRobb> totally makes sense, just an interesting contrast to webkit's slightly different approach, that if you change one of the 'native' styles then it can reset the whole widget to be pure-css
23:35:01 <flo-retina> EionRobb: doesn't seem related to me. We are talking about XUL here; what I said probably doesn't apply to HTML.
23:35:30 <EionRobb> ah yeah, I forget that they have the same syntax but aren't the same thing.... a lot :)
23:42:19 <clokep> aleth: Interesting patch.