#instantbird log on 10 16 2014

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00:46:10 <hadi> How do i connect to SSL with instantbird? should i set the port from 6667 to 6697, and tick "use ssl"?
00:46:24 <hadi> on mozilla for exampel
00:46:52 <Mook_as> that's what I've been doing
00:48:05 <hadi> I do this but it won't connect to  my accounts...
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01:57:08 <clokep_> flo-retina: https://developer.mozilla.org/en-US/docs/Web/API/RTCPeerConnection seems to have some interesting "on*" functions.
02:08:09 <Widdershins> oh boy, event calls
02:08:47 <Widdershins> is that the asynchronicity methodology they chose for the whole API?
02:09:18 <clokep_> Widdershins: The issue is that it's not really documented.
02:10:42 <Widdershins> nice
02:11:21 <Widdershins> un-, the best kind of documented
02:12:24 <instant-buildbot> build #88 of linux64-nightly-default is complete: Failure [4failed compile]  Build details are at http://buildbot.instantbird.org/builders/linux64-nightly-default/builds/88
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02:12:34 <Widdershins> it's the good ol' mostly-empty boilerplate documentation page
02:12:57 <Widdershins> comfortingly obfuscated lack of useful information
02:19:10 <clokep_> Yep. :)
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02:21:38 <Widdershins> honestly a red wiki link is more helpful than that lol
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03:23:13 <arlolra> clokep_, flo-retina: https://gist.github.com/arlolra/aa23c8e2f5643ea55069
03:25:05 <clokep_> https://twitter.com/clokep/status/522588136589631488/photo/1
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03:25:26 <clokep_> arlolra: Generic button patch?
03:25:33 <arlolra> yup
03:26:08 <clokep_> arlolra: We're making video, more exciting! :P
03:26:27 <arlolra> hey, wow, webrtc
03:27:00 <arlolra> clokep_: you didn't tell me when you have the video chat we'll be dogfooding
03:27:25 <clokep_> That sentence doesn't parse for me. :-S
03:27:46 <clokep_> arlolra: I'll push tha tpatch next time I push. Tanks.
03:28:59 <arlolra> do you have a link to the webrtc code so I can see how to use this generic button stuff?
03:29:12 <flo-retina> arlolra: https://bitbucket.org/clokep/cc-webrtc-patches
03:29:19 <arlolra> thanks
03:30:36 <clokep_> arlolra: I lied, I pushed it now.
03:30:41 <arlolra> ha
03:39:43 <arlolra> Timestamp: 2014-10-15, 8:38:45 PM
03:39:43 <arlolra> Error: NS_NOINTERFACE: 
03:39:43 <arlolra> Source File: chrome://chat/content/convbrowser.xml
03:39:43 <arlolra> Line: 83
03:40:23 <clokep_> File a bug? :P
03:40:49 <clokep_> https://mxr.mozilla.org/comm-central/source/chat/content/convbrowser.xml#83
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03:46:45 <instant-buildbot> build #2384 of macosx-nightly-default is complete: Success [3build successful]  Build details are at http://buildbot.instantbird.org/builders/macosx-nightly-default/builds/2384
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03:59:21 <instant-buildbot> build #1194 of linux-nightly-default is complete: Success [3build successful]  Build details are at http://buildbot.instantbird.org/builders/linux-nightly-default/builds/1194
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04:00:27 <telpe> Hi :)
04:00:42 <telpe> Is there someone of the Instantbird's team?
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04:15:34 <instant-buildbot> build #1551 of win32-nightly-default is complete: Success [3build successful]  Build details are at http://buildbot.instantbird.org/builders/win32-nightly-default/builds/1551
04:15:49 <clokep> \o/
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04:26:38 <instantbot> New Instantbird - Conversation bug 1083626 filed by arlolra@gmail.com.
04:26:39 <instantbot> Bug https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=1083626 nor, --, ---, nobody, UNCO, Error: NS_NOINTERFACE
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05:24:13 <telpe> Hi :)
05:24:14 <telpe> 	Is there someone of the Instantbird's team?
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06:28:27 <instant-buildbot> build #89 of linux64-nightly-default is complete: Success [3build successful]  Build details are at http://buildbot.instantbird.org/builders/linux64-nightly-default/builds/89
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10:56:09 <Sentozi> https://primedice.com/?ref=JankkariJari
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12:23:10 <clokep> Four green nightlies! \o/
12:23:15 <clokep> My work here is done.
12:23:26 <hadi> clokep:  nicceee
12:24:20 <hadi> clokep:  im gonna suggest a new feature to instantbird, a command like /clear to clear the output
12:24:43 <clokep> hadi: Why?
12:25:02 <hadi> clokep:  to... clear the output?
12:25:30 <hadi> clokep:  LOL in some conversations i get more than 2000  lines, when i open that conversation Instantbird is about to crash
12:25:56 <flo-retina> clokep: Four BUSTED nightlies
12:26:12 * flo-retina would have strongly preferred an all red waterfall
12:27:13 <clokep> flo-retina: Why?
12:27:31 <clokep> hadi: So really you just want some of the conversation backlog to go away, you don't actually want a clear command.
12:27:39 <flo-retina> clokep: bug 1083626
12:27:41 <instantbot> Bug https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=1083626 blo, --, ---, nobody, NEW, Error: NS_NOINTERFACE
12:27:46 <clokep> :(
12:27:52 <flo-retina> clokep: I'm always sad when we auto-update people to builds that are fully unusable
12:27:59 <flo-retina> clokep: I'll have a fix in a meeting
12:28:08 * flo-retina has been up early due to the jetlag, and debugging
12:28:10 <clokep> How long of a meeting? :P
12:28:18 <hadi> clokep:  um, yeah, i want the last lines to go away so i could get a new clear window :D
12:28:19 <flo-retina> s/meeting/minute/
12:28:35 <clokep> hadi: Yeah so nhnt11 was working on that this past summer as part of google summer of code.
12:28:40 <clokep> He made some progress, but never finished.
12:28:53 <hadi> awwwWw
12:29:01 <clokep> hadi: bug 955007
12:29:03 <instantbot> Bug https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=955007 enh, --, ---, nobody, NEW, Infinite scrollback
12:29:49 <hadi> clokep:  yeaaa!
12:29:55 <clokep> (He should be online shortly, you can bug him then. :P)
12:30:42 * hadi prepares to bug
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12:35:20 <hadi> Now playing: Soul Secret - Inner War
12:35:24 <hadi> woops
12:35:25 <hadi> sorry
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13:18:07 <flo-retina> clokep: http://pastebin.instantbird.com/989701
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13:31:32 <instantbot> New Chat Core - IRC bug 1083768 filed by clokep@gmail.com.
13:31:33 <instantbot> Bug https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=1083768 min, --, ---, clokep, ASSI, IRC auth messages showing up on moznet
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13:50:17 <nhnt11> Hmm, we should change the copyright to 2014: http://puu.sh/cetNf/e74bcd01dd.png
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13:54:19 <flo-retina> nhnt11: yes
13:54:24 <flo-retina> you just volunteered
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13:55:53 <nhnt11> ok
13:56:16 <nhnt11> clokep: Btw, is that related at all to the "Couldn't resolve your hostname" messages I'm seeing on Testing profiles? (not on my main profile, incidentally)
13:56:30 <clokep> nhnt11: https://hg.mozilla.org/comm-central/rev/1c99a0bf4210
13:56:32 <flo-retina> nhnt11: http://hg.instantbird.org/instantbird/rev/56f97392ae9b
13:56:59 <nhnt11> haha thanks
13:57:05 * nhnt11 was filing a bug
13:57:07 <clokep> nhnt11: Probably.
14:00:14 <instantbot> New Instantbird - Other bug 1083786 filed by nhnt11@gmail.com.
14:00:15 <instantbot> Bug https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=1083786 nor, --, ---, nobody, NEW, Update copyright year for 2014
14:01:41 <clokep> flo-retina: Do you want that IRC review to go to aleth?
14:08:28 <instantbot> clokep@gmail.com changed the Resolution on bug 1083626 from --- to FIXED.
14:08:29 <instantbot> Bug https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=1083626 blo, --, 1.6, florian, RESO FIXED, Error: NS_NOINTERFACE
14:09:23 <clokep> flo-retina: https://hg.mozilla.org/comm-central/rev/62ef2b19ad9b
14:32:17 <clokep> nhnt11: That work?
14:32:20 <nhnt11> yeah
14:33:11 <clokep> :)
14:33:12 <clokep> Thanks!
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14:42:07 <clokep> nhnt11: So what are you working on next?
14:42:16 <nhnt11> clokep: My build is busted again, so I'm building
14:42:24 <nhnt11> Then flo-retina and I are going to look at the aspect ratio thing
14:42:36 <clokep> Cool! :)
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14:59:41 <nhnt11> clokep: So your patch is a bit broken
14:59:59 <nhnt11> https://pastebin.mozilla.org/6799060
15:05:38 <flo-retina> clokep: "aMessage.nickname is undefined"
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15:06:36 <clokep> That's unfortunate.
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15:17:02 <telpe> Hi :)
15:17:10 <telpe> Is there some of the instantbird's team?
15:17:19 <telpe> *someone
15:18:11 <clokep> telpe: A bunch of us, yes.
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15:30:50 <clokep> nhnt11: Were those errors or warnings?
15:30:58 <clokep> telpe: Just go ahead and ask if you have any questions.
15:31:01 <nhnt11> clokep: Errors
15:31:07 <clokep> Great Thanks.
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15:48:02 <instant-buildbot> build #1195 of linux-nightly-default is complete: Failure [4failed compile]  Build details are at http://buildbot.instantbird.org/builders/linux-nightly-default/builds/1195
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16:14:32 <instant-buildbot> build #2385 of macosx-nightly-default is complete: Success [3build successful]  Build details are at http://buildbot.instantbird.org/builders/macosx-nightly-default/builds/2385
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16:26:29 <aleth_web> How goes the webrtc project? ;)
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16:28:12 <clokep> aleth_web: Download the code from my bitbucket and we can try it!
16:28:42 <aleth_web> :)
16:28:58 <aleth_web> we could, if this cafe allowed me to connect
16:29:46 <aleth_web> sounds like progress though :)
16:30:00 * aleth_web looks at bitbucket
16:31:18 <clokep> aleth_web: I hope it will!
16:31:26 <clokep> aleth_web: https://bitbucket.org/clokep/cc-webrtc-patches
16:31:30 <clokep> I'm going to give you write access.
16:31:53 <clokep> aleth_web: Are you "aleth" on bitbucket?
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16:32:18 <aleth_web> clokep: yes
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16:33:30 <aleth_web> thanks!
16:34:44 <instantbot> nhnt11@gmail.com changed the Resolution on bug 1083768 from --- to FIXED.
16:34:45 <instantbot> Bug https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=1083768 min, --, 1.6, clokep, RESO FIXED, IRC auth messages showing up on moznet
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16:41:50 <instant-buildbot> build #1552 of win32-nightly-default is complete: Success [3build successful]  Build details are at http://buildbot.instantbird.org/builders/win32-nightly-default/builds/1552
16:42:01 <aleth_web> oho, windows got fixed :)
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16:43:13 <clokep> aleth_web: Yes, florian and I paired on it.
16:43:20 <clokep> aleth_web: I'd appreciate you looking at bug 1083768 btw. :)
16:43:22 <instantbot> Bug https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=1083768 min, --, 1.6, clokep, RESO FIXED, IRC auth messages showing up on moznet
16:43:24 <clokep> Make sure my patch isn't insane.
16:46:05 <Mook_mib> Hmm, Tb's IRC is totally unusable (I can't select conversations, but I can see unread counts) on nightly; no relevant messages in the error console, not even no_interface. I don't see anything in the log.  I guess that means nobody else is seeing this?
16:47:17 <nhnt11> Mook_mib: I think that got fixed
16:47:23 <flo-retina1> Mook_mib: seems like the stuff we broke with the findbar changed
16:47:30 <flo-retina1> we fixed that yesterday (and broke something else :-P)
16:48:45 <Mook_mib> Odd, I see no updates (and am on 2014-10-16)
16:50:25 <Mook_mib> FWIW, error console is http://kopy.io/JQ487
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16:56:31 <Mook_mib> Great, and my release tb doesn't want to admit to having any accounts for some reason
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16:58:11 <clokep> :)
16:58:12 <clokep> YAY.
16:59:00 * Mook_mib hopes instantbird release works
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17:03:23 <clokep> Mook_mib: It works, yep!
17:03:30 <clokep> Last night's nightlies don't.
17:03:33 <clokep> But the one from today does.
17:03:55 <aleth_web> clokep: That patch looks OK, though it's unfortunate we need the guesswork.
17:04:01 <clokep> Yes.
17:04:07 <aleth_web> Nothing we can do about that though...
17:05:15 <aleth_web> Btw, if you know another server that supports WATCH, it might be worth connecting and adding a few contacts, to observe 598/599 behaviour there
17:05:24 <aleth_web> Freenode uses MONITOR iirc
17:05:38 <clokep> I don't know who else uses MONITOR.
17:07:07 <aleth_web> What did you use to test WATCH when you originally wrote it?
17:09:52 <clokep> nhnt11, flo-retina1: I just pushed some changes that meet the backend review comments (minus xmpp-jinle).
17:09:57 <clokep> aleth_web: moznet
17:10:17 * nhnt11 is still reading old reviews :-/
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17:10:56 <aleth_web> d'oh, of course :-/
17:11:54 <Mook_mib> clokep: which works? because 2014-10-16 doesn't, for me
17:13:21 <aleth_web> clokep: Looking at the spec, it seems likely a bug in inspircd
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17:32:42 <telpe> Is there some of the instantbird's team?
17:33:04 <telpe> :)
17:33:16 <aleth_web> yes
17:33:17 <nhnt11> telpe: Hello
17:33:45 <telpe> Hello :)
17:33:53 <telpe> I have a question about this news : 
17:34:08 <telpe> http://blog.instantbird.org/2014/04/google-summer-of-code-2014-has-commenced/
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17:34:34 <telpe> It says that WebRTC will be integrated inside Instantbird. I would like to know when it will be done? :)
17:34:37 <nhnt11> Well it's not really "news" anymore (it's from May) but what's your question?
17:34:42 <nhnt11> Ah
17:34:58 <nhnt11> telpe: https://twitter.com/clokep/status/522588136589631488/photo/1
17:35:03 <aleth_web> telpe: there are people working on it right now ;)
17:35:07 <nhnt11> Progress is being made :)
17:35:12 <telpe> Yes, exactly, and as it was in may, i was asking to myself how was it now. :)
17:35:35 <telpe> And do you have an idea (approximately) of when it will be done?
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17:35:52 <telpe> Oh it's done? i've just watched the picture on twitter
17:36:03 <nhnt11> It's not close to done :)
17:36:16 <aleth_web> telpe: Hopefully in the next version though.
17:36:19 <telpe> It's from yesterday? lol, i'm in the right time!
17:36:20 <nhnt11> We have a working demo, but quite some work is left :)
17:36:25 <arlolra> clokep: https://github.com/arlolra/ctypes-otr/commit/38bde12f46c19d88f65ce2ef2801230764da359f
17:36:44 <telpe> Is it possible to test the version with WebRTC?
17:36:45 <clokep> aleth_web: Can I convince you to look into that? :-D
17:37:49 <clokep> telpe: It's not committ anywhere.
17:38:13 <clokep> arlolra: Awesome! I can't try it now, I'm on Windows.
17:38:21 <aleth_web> arlolra: did you have a question, or is this just great progress? :)
17:38:29 <telpe> Not even for developers in an alpha version on a sourceforge or github?
17:38:44 <arlolra> aleth_web: just great progress
17:38:46 <nhnt11> telpe: If you have the source, you can build it yourself and try it out
17:38:47 <aleth_web> telpe: you'd have to build your own IB, which you are free to do
17:38:50 <aleth_web> arlolra: :)
17:39:38 <telpe> I don't know how to do it, i'm not really an expert... :/    Is it a question of months, weeks or days before the version with webrtc would be available for people like me? :)
17:40:17 <aleth_web> It will be available in nightlies when it is ready. Not sure if that's days or weeks or months away ;)
17:40:35 <clokep> "soon" hopefully!
17:40:40 <telpe> :(
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17:41:34 <telpe> Ok! i hope it will be not in too long time. I'm using jitsi actually, it's good but have some little bugs yet (and it's in java so not very good i think) and doesn't have irc.
17:41:59 <clokep> telpe: Progress should be on bug 1018060
17:42:02 <instantbot> Bug https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=1018060 enh, --, ---, mayanktg, NEW, Video calls via XMPP/Jingle and WebRTC
17:42:11 <aleth_web> arlolra: Is it possible to autodetect if the other side supports OTR?
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17:42:59 <arlolra> aleth_web: yup, otr uses these whitespace tags (tabs and spaces appended to the message) on the first roundtrip
17:43:13 <telpe> Well, thank you for your answers! :)
17:43:24 <aleth_web> So, why wouldn't the preferred UI be to use OTR automatically whenever it is available?
17:44:16 <aleth_web> or to put it differently, I'm wondering what default behaviour you are proposing
17:44:49 <arlolra> the default would be opportunistic encryption, as you've described
17:45:09 <aleth_web> and in that case, the button is an indicator to show you that OTR is on?
17:45:46 <arlolra> aleth_web: yes. it also has a menupop with some options https://gist.github.com/arlolra/a597026787abb85b528c
17:45:50 <aleth_web> Sounds good.
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17:47:30 <aleth_web> Hmm... shouldn't the button simply be absent in the not-private && can't-go-private case?
17:48:23 <aleth_web> I'm not sure I understand all those options, but it sounds like the Configure stuff should probably be in a pref pane.
17:48:44 <arlolra> yes, sorry, that's kind of *all* the otr ui
17:48:54 <arlolra> not just the menu / button
17:48:59 <aleth_web> ah OK :)
17:50:49 <aleth_web> Does clickign on the Unverified state button == authenticate the buddy?
17:51:01 <arlolra> as for the button being absent in the case you described ... there're certain configuration where the whitespace tags are ignored, so you'd still want to be able to send the query msg (a manual init).
17:51:03 * aleth_web wonders what "refresh private conv" does
17:51:12 <clokep> To loop you guys into some real conversation we're having here -- does this setting need to be per contact or global?
17:51:16 <clokep> What default setting do we use in IB?
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17:52:22 <aleth_web> arlolra: The problem is it would be annoying to have a big red warning button the user can't actually do anything about in most conversation tabs. The special Tor config might want this, but imho that behaviour would probably have to be an about:config option
17:52:43 <arlolra> aleth_web: refresh redoes the key exchange. useful when clients get out of sync or you want haven't sent a message in a while and want to ensure PFS
17:52:58 <aleth_web> arlolra: Can't IB do that automatically?
17:54:14 <arlolra> aleth_web: we can make an option to hide the button for the average user
17:54:18 <aleth_web> e.g. with a timeout and some detection for whatever "out of sync" means
17:54:27 <arlolra> and the advanced use and show it
17:55:16 <arlolra> aleth_web: yes, it does it automatically but there are some cases where you'd want to do it manually
17:55:29 <aleth_web> arlolra: That's certainly possible, but ideally we should help the average user and also inform him when OTR is on/possible and/or he can improve things ;)
17:56:29 <aleth_web> But you've probably already thought about all that.
17:56:46 <aleth_web> Maybe a flowchart for the different button states/menu states would help clarify things?
17:57:30 <arlolra> clokep: which setting were you talking about?
17:58:52 <arlolra> aleth_web: more thought is definitely needed
17:59:36 <aleth_web> arlolra: one possibility might be to map clicking the button to the action that is most likely to increase the privacy level
17:59:59 <aleth_web> (from whatever state the conv is presently in)
18:00:40 <arlolra> shouldn't clicking the button open the menu of options?
18:00:58 <aleth_web> ah, maybe... I thought you were talking about a context menu
18:01:08 <clokep> arlolra: Whether it's enabled or what.
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18:01:41 <arlolra> clokep: oh, what does the room think?
18:01:50 <aleth_web> arlolra: it may also help to create a tooltip with some explanatory text about the current state
18:01:55 <arlolra> aleth_web: do you have time to install the extension and walk through it?
18:02:06 <arlolra> that's a good idea
18:02:17 <aleth_web> arlolra: tomorrow maybe, i have to run in a minute
18:02:22 <arlolra> ok
18:03:26 <clokep> arlolra: Just that some users might not want OTR.
18:04:14 <arlolra> clokep: my thinking was having opportunistic encryption enabled but the button hidden for the average user
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18:04:47 <nhnt11> fwiw I don't want any form of OTR turned on :)
18:04:55 <arlolra> why is that?
18:05:00 <arlolra> do you use SSL?
18:05:01 <aleth_web> arlolra: You'd want a status indicator at least when OTR is active
18:05:23 <arlolra> v3 :)
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18:06:25 <arlolra> nhnt11: I'm curious. are you being facetious or is a legitimate reason?
18:06:47 <nhnt11> arlolra: I want to be able to search my chat history from my phone and so on
18:07:04 <flo-retina1> arlolra: it wasn't a question. Just a reminder that some users don't care about encryption, and would not like at all to have any UI related to it in their way :).
18:07:37 <aleth_web> nhnt11: I don't think logs would be encrypted just because a conv was using OTR
18:07:50 <flo-retina1> aleth_web: he was talking about the logs stored on gmail's servers
18:08:05 <aleth_web> ah, gtalk :-/
18:08:22 <arlolra> nhnt11: that's fair
18:08:32 <nhnt11> Facebook chat and Gtalk are the two things that everyone I talk to uses most
18:08:43 <arlolra> flo-retina1: sure, not a problem
18:08:54 <nhnt11> And the security/privacy gain from OTR isn't worth the loss of convenience for me
18:09:00 <flo-retina1> nhnt11: you forgot whatsapp )
18:09:01 <flo-retina1> ;)
18:09:09 * nhnt11 sighs
18:09:38 <arlolra> so it sounds like OTR disabled by default is what Instantbird will get but can be enabled through the preference pane
18:10:12 <arlolra> in which case, we don't have to be clever about helping the average user
18:10:21 <aleth_web> nhnt11: so you want to be able to search (from your phone) google-stored logs for convs carried out between two IB instances?
18:10:25 <arlolra> cause the only one that'll go searching for it knows they want it
18:10:59 * aleth_web wants to understand the exact problem
18:11:22 <nhnt11> aleth_web: Well yes
18:11:33 <aleth_web> ok, got it
18:11:46 * aleth_web hopes to use IB to search logs soon ;)
18:11:56 <flo-retina1> arlolra: so we were wondering if we could do something a bit more clever
18:12:10 <flo-retina1> like offering it to the user the first time he's talking to someone else who has a client that supports OTR
18:12:30 <nhnt11> But to be honest, having logs stored on a remote server isn't too big a concern for me
18:12:41 <nhnt11> If there's something I want to hide, my approach is to just not say it at all
18:13:41 <arlolra> nhnt11: how do you know when you have something to hide?
18:14:19 <flo-retina1> arlolra, nhnt11: let's stop that conversation here please.
18:14:21 <arlolra> flo-retina1: it would be possible to recognize the whitespace tags / query msg and do something like that
18:14:27 <clokep> arlolra: That's a very wrong statement.
18:14:53 <flo-retina1> arlolra: right, we were wondering if it would be possible to by default send the whitespace, so that OTR enabled clients can detect each other
18:14:57 <flo-retina1> and then offer it only in that case
18:15:06 <clokep> We still want the UI to be nice for users.
18:15:20 <arlolra> clokep: what's wrong? sorry I'm not meaning to offend anyone
18:15:36 <clokep> arlolra: "in which case, we don't have to be clever about helping the average user"
18:16:24 <arlolra> clokep: oh, that was assuming it was off by default and most people don't want it on
18:17:25 <arlolra> flo-retina1: yes, I think we could get that to work
18:17:28 <clokep> arlolra: Assumptions about the user are always wrong. :-D
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18:19:32 <arlolra> the next thing I'm going to work on it authentication. that needs its own window with a form and progress bar
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18:20:40 <arlolra> is there an extension that I can look to see how that's best doen?
18:21:34 <clokep> arlolra: a form and a progress bar? For what?
18:21:39 <clokep> A separate window sounds like a poor UX.
18:23:21 <arlolra> when authenticating, you either need to show fingerprints (of your keys) that are verified out of band
18:23:43 <arlolra> or ask for a question / answer that the pair responds to
18:24:19 <arlolra> (then a few messages are exchanged automatically do to the socialist millionaire's protocol)
18:24:40 <arlolra> ie. zero-knowledge proof that the answers are the same
18:25:43 <arlolra> clokep: does that sound like it belongs in the conversation flow? (maybe)
18:36:18 <clokep> arlolra: So...modal dialogues are a huge no-no for good UX.
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18:42:47 <arlolra> clokep: if by modal, you mean blocking. it doesn't have to be. the whole process is async and can happen in parallel to the continued conversation
18:51:15 <instant-buildbot> build #90 of linux64-nightly-default is complete: Success [3build successful]  Build details are at http://buildbot.instantbird.org/builders/linux64-nightly-default/builds/90
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21:11:38 <clokep> Try build for addtional protocols for TB: https://tbpl.mozilla.org/?tree=Thunderbird-Try&rev=be087c0afc4d
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21:34:48 <clokep> And #2: https://tbpl.mozilla.org/?tree=Thunderbird-Try&rev=be087c0afc4d
21:35:05 <clokep> Oops, those are the same.
21:35:11 <clokep> #2: https://tbpl.mozilla.org/?tree=Thunderbird-Try&rev=0d536e3de2b3 ;)
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22:20:48 <aleth> Looks like the generic buttons patch means I have to update my toggle list add-on
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