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00:10:00 <-- sonny1 has quit (Ping timeout: 121 seconds) 00:16:41 --> sherief has joined #instantbird 00:46:10 <hadi> How do i connect to SSL with instantbird? should i set the port from 6667 to 6697, and tick "use ssl"? 00:46:24 <hadi> on mozilla for exampel 00:46:52 <Mook_as> that's what I've been doing 00:48:05 <hadi> I do this but it won't connect to my accounts... 01:03:28 <-- Mook_as has quit (Client exited) 01:23:18 --> redDragon has joined #instantbird 01:41:58 --> mconley has joined #instantbird 01:42:36 --> nhnt11 has joined #instantbird 01:46:55 <-- sherief has quit (A TLS packet with unexpected length was received.) 01:47:22 --> flo-retina has joined #instantbird 01:47:22 * ChanServ sets mode +qo flo-retina flo-retina 01:49:25 <-- mpmc has quit (Quit: Instantbird 1.6a1pre -- http://www.instantbird.com) 01:57:08 <clokep_> flo-retina: https://developer.mozilla.org/en-US/docs/Web/API/RTCPeerConnection seems to have some interesting "on*" functions. 02:08:09 <Widdershins> oh boy, event calls 02:08:47 <Widdershins> is that the asynchronicity methodology they chose for the whole API? 02:09:18 <clokep_> Widdershins: The issue is that it's not really documented. 02:10:42 <Widdershins> nice 02:11:21 <Widdershins> un-, the best kind of documented 02:12:24 <instant-buildbot> build #88 of linux64-nightly-default is complete: Failure [4failed compile] Build details are at http://buildbot.instantbird.org/builders/linux64-nightly-default/builds/88 02:12:30 <instant-buildbot> build #1193 of linux-nightly-default is complete: Failure [4failed compile] Build details are at http://buildbot.instantbird.org/builders/linux-nightly-default/builds/1193 02:12:34 <Widdershins> it's the good ol' mostly-empty boilerplate documentation page 02:12:57 <Widdershins> comfortingly obfuscated lack of useful information 02:19:10 <clokep_> Yep. :) 02:20:51 --> hadi1 has joined #instantbird 02:21:20 <-- hadi has quit (Ping timeout: 121 seconds) 02:21:34 <-- hadi1 has quit (Quit: Instantbird 1.6a1pre -- http://www.instantbird.com) 02:21:38 <Widdershins> honestly a red wiki link is more helpful than that lol 02:28:50 <-- EionRobb has quit (Quit: Leaving.) 02:30:09 --> nhnt11-tb has joined #instantbird 02:31:51 <-- stux|away has quit (Ping timeout: 121 seconds) 02:34:07 <-- nhnt11-tb has quit (Client exited) 02:38:11 --> nhnt11-tb has joined #instantbird 02:39:08 <-- nhnt11-tb has quit (Client exited) 02:39:11 --> nhnt11-tb has joined #instantbird 02:41:21 <-- nhnt11-tb has quit (A TLS packet with unexpected length was received.) 02:45:17 <-- redDragon has quit (Client exited) 02:49:23 --> redDragon has joined #instantbird 02:54:04 --> stux has joined #instantbird 03:00:51 <-- mconley has quit (Connection closed) 03:08:51 <-- flo-retina has quit (Ping timeout: 121 seconds) 03:09:08 * redDragon is now known as redDragon|away 03:09:18 --> nhnt11-tb has joined #instantbird 03:09:32 * redDragon|away is now known as redDragon 03:09:45 --> flo-retina has joined #instantbird 03:09:45 * ChanServ sets mode +qo flo-retina flo-retina 03:19:00 <-- stux has quit (Ping timeout: 121 seconds) 03:19:31 <-- nhnt11-tb has quit (Connection closed) 03:22:58 --> arlolra has joined #instantbird 03:23:13 <arlolra> clokep_, flo-retina: https://gist.github.com/arlolra/aa23c8e2f5643ea55069 03:25:05 <clokep_> https://twitter.com/clokep/status/522588136589631488/photo/1 03:25:07 --> stux has joined #instantbird 03:25:26 <clokep_> arlolra: Generic button patch? 03:25:33 <arlolra> yup 03:26:08 <clokep_> arlolra: We're making video, more exciting! :P 03:26:27 <arlolra> hey, wow, webrtc 03:27:00 <arlolra> clokep_: you didn't tell me when you have the video chat we'll be dogfooding 03:27:25 <clokep_> That sentence doesn't parse for me. :-S 03:27:46 <clokep_> arlolra: I'll push tha tpatch next time I push. Tanks. 03:28:59 <arlolra> do you have a link to the webrtc code so I can see how to use this generic button stuff? 03:29:12 <flo-retina> arlolra: https://bitbucket.org/clokep/cc-webrtc-patches 03:29:19 <arlolra> thanks 03:30:36 <clokep_> arlolra: I lied, I pushed it now. 03:30:41 <arlolra> ha 03:39:43 <arlolra> Timestamp: 2014-10-15, 8:38:45 PM 03:39:43 <arlolra> Error: NS_NOINTERFACE: 03:39:43 <arlolra> Source File: chrome://chat/content/convbrowser.xml 03:39:43 <arlolra> Line: 83 03:40:23 <clokep_> File a bug? :P 03:40:49 <clokep_> https://mxr.mozilla.org/comm-central/source/chat/content/convbrowser.xml#83 03:41:23 <-- Suiseiseki has quit (Ping timeout: 121 seconds) 03:46:45 <instant-buildbot> build #2384 of macosx-nightly-default is complete: Success [3build successful] Build details are at http://buildbot.instantbird.org/builders/macosx-nightly-default/builds/2384 03:53:50 <-- flo-retina has quit (Quit: Instantbird 1.6a1pre -- http://www.instantbird.com) 03:54:52 --> Suiseiseki has joined #instantbird 03:56:57 <-- clokep_ has quit (Ping timeout: 121 seconds) 03:57:13 <-- arlolra has quit (Client exited) 03:57:49 <-- nhnt11 has quit (Ping timeout: 121 seconds) 03:59:07 * redDragon is now known as redDragon|away 03:59:21 <instant-buildbot> build #1194 of linux-nightly-default is complete: Success [3build successful] Build details are at http://buildbot.instantbird.org/builders/linux-nightly-default/builds/1194 04:00:13 --> telpe has joined #instantbird 04:00:27 <telpe> Hi :) 04:00:42 <telpe> Is there someone of the Instantbird's team? 04:09:41 <-- stux has quit (Ping timeout: 121 seconds) 04:10:16 --> clokep has joined #instantbird 04:10:16 * ChanServ sets mode +o clokep 04:12:14 --> stux has joined #instantbird 04:15:34 <instant-buildbot> build #1551 of win32-nightly-default is complete: Success [3build successful] Build details are at http://buildbot.instantbird.org/builders/win32-nightly-default/builds/1551 04:15:49 <clokep> \o/ 04:17:31 * redDragon|away is now known as redDragon 04:18:33 <-- stux has quit (Ping timeout: 121 seconds) 04:19:38 --> Bollebib has joined #instantbird 04:25:13 --> stux has joined #instantbird 04:26:38 <instantbot> New Instantbird - Conversation bug 1083626 filed by arlolra@gmail.com. 04:26:39 <instantbot> Bug https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=1083626 nor, --, ---, nobody, UNCO, Error: NS_NOINTERFACE 04:29:07 <-- clokep has quit (Quit: Instantbird 1.5 -- http://www.instantbird.com) 05:24:13 <telpe> Hi :) 05:24:14 <telpe> Is there someone of the Instantbird's team? 05:31:17 --> gerard-majax has joined #instantbird 05:33:29 <-- telpe has quit (Quit: http://www.mibbit.com ajax IRC Client) 05:36:18 <-- Bollebib has quit (Connection closed) 05:48:26 <-- gerard-majax has quit (Ping timeout: 121 seconds) 05:54:43 --> EionRobb has joined #instantbird 06:04:43 --> gerard-majax has joined #instantbird 06:12:14 <-- gerard-majax has quit (Ping timeout: 121 seconds) 06:12:49 --> gerard-majax has joined #instantbird 06:19:34 <-- gerard-majax has quit (Ping timeout: 121 seconds) 06:28:27 <instant-buildbot> build #89 of linux64-nightly-default is complete: Success [3build successful] Build details are at http://buildbot.instantbird.org/builders/linux64-nightly-default/builds/89 06:56:06 --> gerard-majax has joined #instantbird 07:24:48 * redDragon is now known as redDragon|away 07:32:38 * redDragon|away is now known as redDragon 07:57:30 --> mpmc has joined #instantbird 08:33:56 <-- EionRobb has quit (Quit: Leaving.) 08:50:29 <-- Widdershins has quit (Ping timeout: 121 seconds) 09:34:12 --> Armada has joined #instantbird 09:37:25 --> BWMerlin has joined #instantbird 10:22:08 --> sherief has joined #instantbird 10:28:52 * redDragon is now known as redDragon|away 10:31:24 --> flo-retina has joined #instantbird 10:31:24 * ChanServ sets mode +qo flo-retina flo-retina 10:35:51 <-- flo-retina has quit (Quit: Instantbird 1.6a1pre -- http://www.instantbird.com) 10:38:27 --> flo-retina has joined #instantbird 10:38:27 * ChanServ sets mode +qo flo-retina flo-retina 10:38:45 <-- flo-retina has quit (Connection closed) 10:41:48 --> flo-retina has joined #instantbird 10:41:48 * ChanServ sets mode +qo flo-retina flo-retina 10:55:36 --> Sentozi has joined #instantbird 10:56:09 <Sentozi> https://primedice.com/?ref=JankkariJari 10:56:16 <-- Sentozi has left #instantbird ("") 11:18:13 --> Tonnes has joined #instantbird 11:32:31 <-- mpmc has quit (Quit: Instantbird 1.6a1pre -- http://www.instantbird.com) 12:00:26 <-- Tonnes has quit (Connection closed) 12:09:34 --> mconley has joined #instantbird 12:16:09 --> hadi has joined #instantbird 12:19:30 --> clokep has joined #instantbird 12:19:30 * ChanServ sets mode +o clokep 12:23:10 <clokep> Four green nightlies! \o/ 12:23:15 <clokep> My work here is done. 12:23:26 <hadi> clokep: nicceee 12:24:20 <hadi> clokep: im gonna suggest a new feature to instantbird, a command like /clear to clear the output 12:24:43 <clokep> hadi: Why? 12:25:02 <hadi> clokep: to... clear the output? 12:25:30 <hadi> clokep: LOL in some conversations i get more than 2000 lines, when i open that conversation Instantbird is about to crash 12:25:56 <flo-retina> clokep: Four BUSTED nightlies 12:26:12 * flo-retina would have strongly preferred an all red waterfall 12:27:13 <clokep> flo-retina: Why? 12:27:31 <clokep> hadi: So really you just want some of the conversation backlog to go away, you don't actually want a clear command. 12:27:39 <flo-retina> clokep: bug 1083626 12:27:41 <instantbot> Bug https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=1083626 blo, --, ---, nobody, NEW, Error: NS_NOINTERFACE 12:27:46 <clokep> :( 12:27:52 <flo-retina> clokep: I'm always sad when we auto-update people to builds that are fully unusable 12:27:59 <flo-retina> clokep: I'll have a fix in a meeting 12:28:08 * flo-retina has been up early due to the jetlag, and debugging 12:28:10 <clokep> How long of a meeting? :P 12:28:18 <hadi> clokep: um, yeah, i want the last lines to go away so i could get a new clear window :D 12:28:19 <flo-retina> s/meeting/minute/ 12:28:35 <clokep> hadi: Yeah so nhnt11 was working on that this past summer as part of google summer of code. 12:28:40 <clokep> He made some progress, but never finished. 12:28:53 <hadi> awwwWw 12:29:01 <clokep> hadi: bug 955007 12:29:03 <instantbot> Bug https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=955007 enh, --, ---, nobody, NEW, Infinite scrollback 12:29:49 <hadi> clokep: yeaaa! 12:29:55 <clokep> (He should be online shortly, you can bug him then. :P) 12:30:42 * hadi prepares to bug 12:30:49 <-- mconley has quit (Connection closed) 12:35:20 <hadi> Now playing: Soul Secret - Inner War 12:35:24 <hadi> woops 12:35:25 <hadi> sorry 12:35:58 <-- clokep has quit (Ping timeout: 121 seconds) 12:39:59 <-- flo-retina has quit (Quit: Instantbird 1.6a1pre -- http://www.instantbird.com) 12:43:05 --> sonny has joined #instantbird 12:46:02 --> Tonnes has joined #instantbird 12:46:30 <-- BWMerlin has quit (Client exited) 12:50:25 --> nhnt11 has joined #instantbird 13:02:25 * redDragon|away is now known as redDragon 13:04:32 --> clokep has joined #instantbird 13:04:32 * ChanServ sets mode +o clokep 13:05:10 <-- clokep has quit (Connection closed) 13:05:35 --> clokep has joined #instantbird 13:05:35 * ChanServ sets mode +o clokep 13:13:29 --> flo-retina has joined #instantbird 13:13:29 * ChanServ sets mode +qo flo-retina flo-retina 13:14:31 <-- nhnt11 has quit (Ping timeout: 121 seconds) 13:18:07 <flo-retina> clokep: http://pastebin.instantbird.com/989701 13:19:00 --> mconley has joined #instantbird 13:21:19 --> nhnt11 has joined #instantbird 13:31:32 <instantbot> New Chat Core - IRC bug 1083768 filed by clokep@gmail.com. 13:31:33 <instantbot> Bug https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=1083768 min, --, ---, clokep, ASSI, IRC auth messages showing up on moznet 13:31:40 <-- clokep has quit (Quit: Instantbird 1.5 -- http://www.instantbird.com) 13:32:42 --> clokep has joined #instantbird 13:32:49 <-- clokep has quit (Connection closed) 13:32:55 --> clokep has joined #instantbird 13:33:08 <-- clokep has quit (Connection closed) 13:34:14 <-- hadi has quit (Quit: Instantbird 1.6a1pre -- http://www.instantbird.com) 13:48:08 * Fallen|away is now known as Fallen 13:50:17 <nhnt11> Hmm, we should change the copyright to 2014: http://puu.sh/cetNf/e74bcd01dd.png 13:50:29 <-- nhnt11 has quit (Quit: Instantbird 1.6a1pre -- http://www.instantbird.com) 13:50:34 --> nhnt11 has joined #instantbird 13:54:19 <flo-retina> nhnt11: yes 13:54:24 <flo-retina> you just volunteered 13:55:19 --> clokep has joined #instantbird 13:55:19 * ChanServ sets mode +o clokep 13:55:21 <-- clokep has quit (Connection closed) 13:55:27 --> clokep has joined #instantbird 13:55:27 * ChanServ sets mode +o clokep 13:55:53 <nhnt11> ok 13:56:16 <nhnt11> clokep: Btw, is that related at all to the "Couldn't resolve your hostname" messages I'm seeing on Testing profiles? (not on my main profile, incidentally) 13:56:30 <clokep> nhnt11: https://hg.mozilla.org/comm-central/rev/1c99a0bf4210 13:56:32 <flo-retina> nhnt11: http://hg.instantbird.org/instantbird/rev/56f97392ae9b 13:56:59 <nhnt11> haha thanks 13:57:05 * nhnt11 was filing a bug 13:57:07 <clokep> nhnt11: Probably. 14:00:14 <instantbot> New Instantbird - Other bug 1083786 filed by nhnt11@gmail.com. 14:00:15 <instantbot> Bug https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=1083786 nor, --, ---, nobody, NEW, Update copyright year for 2014 14:01:41 <clokep> flo-retina: Do you want that IRC review to go to aleth? 14:08:28 <instantbot> clokep@gmail.com changed the Resolution on bug 1083626 from --- to FIXED. 14:08:29 <instantbot> Bug https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=1083626 blo, --, 1.6, florian, RESO FIXED, Error: NS_NOINTERFACE 14:09:23 <clokep> flo-retina: https://hg.mozilla.org/comm-central/rev/62ef2b19ad9b 14:32:17 <clokep> nhnt11: That work? 14:32:20 <nhnt11> yeah 14:33:11 <clokep> :) 14:33:12 <clokep> Thanks! 14:34:27 <-- sonny has quit (Quit: Instantbird 1.5 -- http://www.instantbird.com) 14:39:11 --> nhnt11-tb has joined #instantbird 14:39:32 --> sonny has joined #instantbird 14:40:48 <-- nhnt11-tb has quit (Client exited) 14:42:07 <clokep> nhnt11: So what are you working on next? 14:42:16 <nhnt11> clokep: My build is busted again, so I'm building 14:42:24 <nhnt11> Then flo-retina and I are going to look at the aspect ratio thing 14:42:36 <clokep> Cool! :) 14:46:24 <-- sonny has quit (Connection closed) 14:57:29 <-- sherief has quit (A TLS packet with unexpected length was received.) 14:59:41 <nhnt11> clokep: So your patch is a bit broken 14:59:59 <nhnt11> https://pastebin.mozilla.org/6799060 15:05:38 <flo-retina> clokep: "aMessage.nickname is undefined" 15:06:07 <-- Tonnes has quit (Connection closed) 15:06:36 <clokep> That's unfortunate. 15:16:53 --> telpe has joined #instantbird 15:17:02 <telpe> Hi :) 15:17:10 <telpe> Is there some of the instantbird's team? 15:17:19 <telpe> *someone 15:18:11 <clokep> telpe: A bunch of us, yes. 15:21:06 --> mpmc has joined #instantbird 15:27:18 <-- nhnt11 has quit (Quit: Instantbird 1.6a1pre -- http://www.instantbird.com) 15:27:24 --> nhnt11 has joined #instantbird 15:28:21 <-- nhnt11 has quit (Quit: Instantbird 1.6a1pre -- http://www.instantbird.com) 15:28:56 --> nhnt11 has joined #instantbird 15:30:50 <clokep> nhnt11: Were those errors or warnings? 15:30:58 <clokep> telpe: Just go ahead and ask if you have any questions. 15:31:01 <nhnt11> clokep: Errors 15:31:07 <clokep> Great Thanks. 15:43:20 <-- gerard-majax has quit (Ping timeout: 121 seconds) 15:48:02 <instant-buildbot> build #1195 of linux-nightly-default is complete: Failure [4failed compile] Build details are at http://buildbot.instantbird.org/builders/linux-nightly-default/builds/1195 16:00:28 --> arlolra has joined #instantbird 16:01:28 <-- clokep has quit (Connection closed) 16:01:31 --> clokep has joined #instantbird 16:01:31 * ChanServ sets mode +o clokep 16:13:57 --> hadi has joined #instantbird 16:14:32 <instant-buildbot> build #2385 of macosx-nightly-default is complete: Success [3build successful] Build details are at http://buildbot.instantbird.org/builders/macosx-nightly-default/builds/2385 16:19:29 --> aleth_web has joined #instantbird 16:21:58 --> myk has joined #instantbird 16:23:09 --> flo-retina1 has joined #instantbird 16:23:09 * ChanServ sets mode +qo flo-retina1 flo-retina1 16:25:27 <-- flo-retina has quit (Ping timeout: 121 seconds) 16:26:29 <aleth_web> How goes the webrtc project? ;) 16:27:23 --> Tonnes has joined #instantbird 16:28:12 <clokep> aleth_web: Download the code from my bitbucket and we can try it! 16:28:42 <aleth_web> :) 16:28:58 <aleth_web> we could, if this cafe allowed me to connect 16:29:46 <aleth_web> sounds like progress though :) 16:30:00 * aleth_web looks at bitbucket 16:31:18 <clokep> aleth_web: I hope it will! 16:31:26 <clokep> aleth_web: https://bitbucket.org/clokep/cc-webrtc-patches 16:31:30 <clokep> I'm going to give you write access. 16:31:53 <clokep> aleth_web: Are you "aleth" on bitbucket? 16:32:03 --> gerard-majax has joined #instantbird 16:32:07 <-- arlolra has quit (Client exited) 16:32:18 <aleth_web> clokep: yes 16:32:18 --> arlolra has joined #instantbird 16:32:46 <-- telpe has quit (Quit: http://www.mibbit.com ajax IRC Client) 16:33:30 <aleth_web> thanks! 16:34:44 <instantbot> nhnt11@gmail.com changed the Resolution on bug 1083768 from --- to FIXED. 16:34:45 <instantbot> Bug https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=1083768 min, --, 1.6, clokep, RESO FIXED, IRC auth messages showing up on moznet 16:39:17 --> Mook_as has joined #instantbird 16:40:28 <-- hadi has quit (Ping timeout: 121 seconds) 16:41:44 <-- Mook_as has quit (Client exited) 16:41:47 --> Mook_as has joined #instantbird 16:41:50 <instant-buildbot> build #1552 of win32-nightly-default is complete: Success [3build successful] Build details are at http://buildbot.instantbird.org/builders/win32-nightly-default/builds/1552 16:42:01 <aleth_web> oho, windows got fixed :) 16:43:07 --> Mook_mib has joined #instantbird 16:43:13 <clokep> aleth_web: Yes, florian and I paired on it. 16:43:20 <clokep> aleth_web: I'd appreciate you looking at bug 1083768 btw. :) 16:43:22 <instantbot> Bug https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=1083768 min, --, 1.6, clokep, RESO FIXED, IRC auth messages showing up on moznet 16:43:24 <clokep> Make sure my patch isn't insane. 16:46:05 <Mook_mib> Hmm, Tb's IRC is totally unusable (I can't select conversations, but I can see unread counts) on nightly; no relevant messages in the error console, not even no_interface. I don't see anything in the log. I guess that means nobody else is seeing this? 16:47:17 <nhnt11> Mook_mib: I think that got fixed 16:47:23 <flo-retina1> Mook_mib: seems like the stuff we broke with the findbar changed 16:47:30 <flo-retina1> we fixed that yesterday (and broke something else :-P) 16:48:45 <Mook_mib> Odd, I see no updates (and am on 2014-10-16) 16:50:25 <Mook_mib> FWIW, error console is http://kopy.io/JQ487 16:50:41 <-- arlolra has quit (Client exited) 16:51:51 <-- Mook_as has quit (Client exited) 16:52:07 --> Mook_as has joined #instantbird 16:52:12 <-- Mook_as has quit (Connection closed) 16:52:43 --> Mook_as has joined #instantbird 16:52:59 <-- Mook_as has quit (Connection closed) 16:54:56 --> arlolra has joined #instantbird 16:56:31 <Mook_mib> Great, and my release tb doesn't want to admit to having any accounts for some reason 16:58:01 <-- arlolra has quit (Client exited) 16:58:11 <clokep> :) 16:58:12 <clokep> YAY. 16:59:00 * Mook_mib hopes instantbird release works 17:00:50 <-- gerard-majax has quit (Ping timeout: 121 seconds) 17:03:23 <clokep> Mook_mib: It works, yep! 17:03:30 <clokep> Last night's nightlies don't. 17:03:33 <clokep> But the one from today does. 17:03:55 <aleth_web> clokep: That patch looks OK, though it's unfortunate we need the guesswork. 17:04:01 <clokep> Yes. 17:04:07 <aleth_web> Nothing we can do about that though... 17:05:15 <aleth_web> Btw, if you know another server that supports WATCH, it might be worth connecting and adding a few contacts, to observe 598/599 behaviour there 17:05:24 <aleth_web> Freenode uses MONITOR iirc 17:05:38 <clokep> I don't know who else uses MONITOR. 17:07:07 <aleth_web> What did you use to test WATCH when you originally wrote it? 17:09:52 <clokep> nhnt11, flo-retina1: I just pushed some changes that meet the backend review comments (minus xmpp-jinle). 17:09:57 <clokep> aleth_web: moznet 17:10:17 * nhnt11 is still reading old reviews :-/ 17:10:33 --> arlolra has joined #instantbird 17:10:56 <aleth_web> d'oh, of course :-/ 17:11:54 <Mook_mib> clokep: which works? because 2014-10-16 doesn't, for me 17:13:21 <aleth_web> clokep: Looking at the spec, it seems likely a bug in inspircd 17:15:23 <-- arlolra has quit (Client exited) 17:18:29 --> gerard-majax has joined #instantbird 17:23:16 --> Mook_as has joined #instantbird 17:23:39 --> Bollebib has joined #instantbird 17:24:01 <-- gerard-majax has quit (Ping timeout: 121 seconds) 17:25:45 --> Mook_astb has joined #instantbird 17:25:50 <-- Mook_astb has quit (Connection closed) 17:27:06 --> gerard-majax has joined #instantbird 17:29:40 <-- Mook_as has quit (Client exited) 17:31:16 --> Mook_as has joined #instantbird 17:31:22 <-- chrisccoulson has quit (Connection closed) 17:32:21 <-- Mook_mib has quit (Quit: http://www.mibbit.com ajax IRC Client) 17:32:29 --> telpe has joined #instantbird 17:32:42 <telpe> Is there some of the instantbird's team? 17:33:04 <telpe> :) 17:33:16 <aleth_web> yes 17:33:17 <nhnt11> telpe: Hello 17:33:45 <telpe> Hello :) 17:33:53 <telpe> I have a question about this news : 17:34:08 <telpe> http://blog.instantbird.org/2014/04/google-summer-of-code-2014-has-commenced/ 17:34:15 <-- gerard-majax has quit (Ping timeout: 121 seconds) 17:34:34 <telpe> It says that WebRTC will be integrated inside Instantbird. I would like to know when it will be done? :) 17:34:37 <nhnt11> Well it's not really "news" anymore (it's from May) but what's your question? 17:34:42 <nhnt11> Ah 17:34:58 <nhnt11> telpe: https://twitter.com/clokep/status/522588136589631488/photo/1 17:35:03 <aleth_web> telpe: there are people working on it right now ;) 17:35:07 <nhnt11> Progress is being made :) 17:35:12 <telpe> Yes, exactly, and as it was in may, i was asking to myself how was it now. :) 17:35:35 <telpe> And do you have an idea (approximately) of when it will be done? 17:35:35 --> arlolra has joined #instantbird 17:35:52 <telpe> Oh it's done? i've just watched the picture on twitter 17:36:03 <nhnt11> It's not close to done :) 17:36:16 <aleth_web> telpe: Hopefully in the next version though. 17:36:19 <telpe> It's from yesterday? lol, i'm in the right time! 17:36:20 <nhnt11> We have a working demo, but quite some work is left :) 17:36:25 <arlolra> clokep: https://github.com/arlolra/ctypes-otr/commit/38bde12f46c19d88f65ce2ef2801230764da359f 17:36:44 <telpe> Is it possible to test the version with WebRTC? 17:36:45 <clokep> aleth_web: Can I convince you to look into that? :-D 17:37:49 <clokep> telpe: It's not committ anywhere. 17:38:13 <clokep> arlolra: Awesome! I can't try it now, I'm on Windows. 17:38:21 <aleth_web> arlolra: did you have a question, or is this just great progress? :) 17:38:29 <telpe> Not even for developers in an alpha version on a sourceforge or github? 17:38:44 <arlolra> aleth_web: just great progress 17:38:46 <nhnt11> telpe: If you have the source, you can build it yourself and try it out 17:38:47 <aleth_web> telpe: you'd have to build your own IB, which you are free to do 17:38:50 <aleth_web> arlolra: :) 17:39:38 <telpe> I don't know how to do it, i'm not really an expert... :/ Is it a question of months, weeks or days before the version with webrtc would be available for people like me? :) 17:40:17 <aleth_web> It will be available in nightlies when it is ready. Not sure if that's days or weeks or months away ;) 17:40:35 <clokep> "soon" hopefully! 17:40:40 <telpe> :( 17:40:58 <-- Mook_as has quit (A TLS packet with unexpected length was received.) 17:41:34 <telpe> Ok! i hope it will be not in too long time. I'm using jitsi actually, it's good but have some little bugs yet (and it's in java so not very good i think) and doesn't have irc. 17:41:59 <clokep> telpe: Progress should be on bug 1018060 17:42:02 <instantbot> Bug https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=1018060 enh, --, ---, mayanktg, NEW, Video calls via XMPP/Jingle and WebRTC 17:42:11 <aleth_web> arlolra: Is it possible to autodetect if the other side supports OTR? 17:42:18 --> Mook_as has joined #instantbird 17:42:59 <arlolra> aleth_web: yup, otr uses these whitespace tags (tabs and spaces appended to the message) on the first roundtrip 17:43:13 <telpe> Well, thank you for your answers! :) 17:43:24 <aleth_web> So, why wouldn't the preferred UI be to use OTR automatically whenever it is available? 17:44:16 <aleth_web> or to put it differently, I'm wondering what default behaviour you are proposing 17:44:49 <arlolra> the default would be opportunistic encryption, as you've described 17:45:09 <aleth_web> and in that case, the button is an indicator to show you that OTR is on? 17:45:46 <arlolra> aleth_web: yes. it also has a menupop with some options https://gist.github.com/arlolra/a597026787abb85b528c 17:45:50 <aleth_web> Sounds good. 17:46:24 * redDragon is now known as redDragon|away 17:47:30 <aleth_web> Hmm... shouldn't the button simply be absent in the not-private && can't-go-private case? 17:48:23 <aleth_web> I'm not sure I understand all those options, but it sounds like the Configure stuff should probably be in a pref pane. 17:48:44 <arlolra> yes, sorry, that's kind of *all* the otr ui 17:48:54 <arlolra> not just the menu / button 17:48:59 <aleth_web> ah OK :) 17:50:49 <aleth_web> Does clickign on the Unverified state button == authenticate the buddy? 17:51:01 <arlolra> as for the button being absent in the case you described ... there're certain configuration where the whitespace tags are ignored, so you'd still want to be able to send the query msg (a manual init). 17:51:03 * aleth_web wonders what "refresh private conv" does 17:51:12 <clokep> To loop you guys into some real conversation we're having here -- does this setting need to be per contact or global? 17:51:16 <clokep> What default setting do we use in IB? 17:51:36 <-- telpe has quit (Quit: http://www.mibbit.com ajax IRC Client) 17:52:22 <aleth_web> arlolra: The problem is it would be annoying to have a big red warning button the user can't actually do anything about in most conversation tabs. The special Tor config might want this, but imho that behaviour would probably have to be an about:config option 17:52:43 <arlolra> aleth_web: refresh redoes the key exchange. useful when clients get out of sync or you want haven't sent a message in a while and want to ensure PFS 17:52:58 <aleth_web> arlolra: Can't IB do that automatically? 17:54:14 <arlolra> aleth_web: we can make an option to hide the button for the average user 17:54:18 <aleth_web> e.g. with a timeout and some detection for whatever "out of sync" means 17:54:27 <arlolra> and the advanced use and show it 17:55:16 <arlolra> aleth_web: yes, it does it automatically but there are some cases where you'd want to do it manually 17:55:29 <aleth_web> arlolra: That's certainly possible, but ideally we should help the average user and also inform him when OTR is on/possible and/or he can improve things ;) 17:56:29 <aleth_web> But you've probably already thought about all that. 17:56:46 <aleth_web> Maybe a flowchart for the different button states/menu states would help clarify things? 17:57:30 <arlolra> clokep: which setting were you talking about? 17:58:52 <arlolra> aleth_web: more thought is definitely needed 17:59:36 <aleth_web> arlolra: one possibility might be to map clicking the button to the action that is most likely to increase the privacy level 17:59:59 <aleth_web> (from whatever state the conv is presently in) 18:00:40 <arlolra> shouldn't clicking the button open the menu of options? 18:00:58 <aleth_web> ah, maybe... I thought you were talking about a context menu 18:01:08 <clokep> arlolra: Whether it's enabled or what. 18:01:21 <-- mpmc has quit (Quit: Instantbird 1.6a1pre -- http://www.instantbird.com) 18:01:34 --> chrisccoulson has joined #instantbird 18:01:41 <arlolra> clokep: oh, what does the room think? 18:01:50 <aleth_web> arlolra: it may also help to create a tooltip with some explanatory text about the current state 18:01:55 <arlolra> aleth_web: do you have time to install the extension and walk through it? 18:02:06 <arlolra> that's a good idea 18:02:17 <aleth_web> arlolra: tomorrow maybe, i have to run in a minute 18:02:22 <arlolra> ok 18:03:26 <clokep> arlolra: Just that some users might not want OTR. 18:04:14 <arlolra> clokep: my thinking was having opportunistic encryption enabled but the button hidden for the average user 18:04:24 <-- Mook_as has quit (Client exited) 18:04:47 <nhnt11> fwiw I don't want any form of OTR turned on :) 18:04:55 <arlolra> why is that? 18:05:00 <arlolra> do you use SSL? 18:05:01 <aleth_web> arlolra: You'd want a status indicator at least when OTR is active 18:05:23 <arlolra> v3 :) 18:05:26 --> Mook_as has joined #instantbird 18:06:25 <arlolra> nhnt11: I'm curious. are you being facetious or is a legitimate reason? 18:06:47 <nhnt11> arlolra: I want to be able to search my chat history from my phone and so on 18:07:04 <flo-retina1> arlolra: it wasn't a question. Just a reminder that some users don't care about encryption, and would not like at all to have any UI related to it in their way :). 18:07:37 <aleth_web> nhnt11: I don't think logs would be encrypted just because a conv was using OTR 18:07:50 <flo-retina1> aleth_web: he was talking about the logs stored on gmail's servers 18:08:05 <aleth_web> ah, gtalk :-/ 18:08:22 <arlolra> nhnt11: that's fair 18:08:32 <nhnt11> Facebook chat and Gtalk are the two things that everyone I talk to uses most 18:08:43 <arlolra> flo-retina1: sure, not a problem 18:08:54 <nhnt11> And the security/privacy gain from OTR isn't worth the loss of convenience for me 18:09:00 <flo-retina1> nhnt11: you forgot whatsapp ) 18:09:01 <flo-retina1> ;) 18:09:09 * nhnt11 sighs 18:09:38 <arlolra> so it sounds like OTR disabled by default is what Instantbird will get but can be enabled through the preference pane 18:10:12 <arlolra> in which case, we don't have to be clever about helping the average user 18:10:21 <aleth_web> nhnt11: so you want to be able to search (from your phone) google-stored logs for convs carried out between two IB instances? 18:10:25 <arlolra> cause the only one that'll go searching for it knows they want it 18:10:59 * aleth_web wants to understand the exact problem 18:11:22 <nhnt11> aleth_web: Well yes 18:11:33 <aleth_web> ok, got it 18:11:46 * aleth_web hopes to use IB to search logs soon ;) 18:11:56 <flo-retina1> arlolra: so we were wondering if we could do something a bit more clever 18:12:10 <flo-retina1> like offering it to the user the first time he's talking to someone else who has a client that supports OTR 18:12:30 <nhnt11> But to be honest, having logs stored on a remote server isn't too big a concern for me 18:12:41 <nhnt11> If there's something I want to hide, my approach is to just not say it at all 18:13:41 <arlolra> nhnt11: how do you know when you have something to hide? 18:14:19 <flo-retina1> arlolra, nhnt11: let's stop that conversation here please. 18:14:21 <arlolra> flo-retina1: it would be possible to recognize the whitespace tags / query msg and do something like that 18:14:27 <clokep> arlolra: That's a very wrong statement. 18:14:53 <flo-retina1> arlolra: right, we were wondering if it would be possible to by default send the whitespace, so that OTR enabled clients can detect each other 18:14:57 <flo-retina1> and then offer it only in that case 18:15:06 <clokep> We still want the UI to be nice for users. 18:15:20 <arlolra> clokep: what's wrong? sorry I'm not meaning to offend anyone 18:15:36 <clokep> arlolra: "in which case, we don't have to be clever about helping the average user" 18:16:24 <arlolra> clokep: oh, that was assuming it was off by default and most people don't want it on 18:17:25 <arlolra> flo-retina1: yes, I think we could get that to work 18:17:28 <clokep> arlolra: Assumptions about the user are always wrong. :-D 18:19:06 * Fallen is now known as Fallen|away 18:19:32 <arlolra> the next thing I'm going to work on it authentication. that needs its own window with a form and progress bar 18:20:09 * Fallen|away is now known as Fallen 18:20:40 <arlolra> is there an extension that I can look to see how that's best doen? 18:21:34 <clokep> arlolra: a form and a progress bar? For what? 18:21:39 <clokep> A separate window sounds like a poor UX. 18:23:21 <arlolra> when authenticating, you either need to show fingerprints (of your keys) that are verified out of band 18:23:43 <arlolra> or ask for a question / answer that the pair responds to 18:24:19 <arlolra> (then a few messages are exchanged automatically do to the socialist millionaire's protocol) 18:24:40 <arlolra> ie. zero-knowledge proof that the answers are the same 18:25:43 <arlolra> clokep: does that sound like it belongs in the conversation flow? (maybe) 18:36:18 <clokep> arlolra: So...modal dialogues are a huge no-no for good UX. 18:37:17 --> hadi has joined #instantbird 18:37:17 --> sonny has joined #instantbird 18:39:45 <-- sonny has quit (Connection closed) 18:42:47 <arlolra> clokep: if by modal, you mean blocking. it doesn't have to be. the whole process is async and can happen in parallel to the continued conversation 18:51:15 <instant-buildbot> build #90 of linux64-nightly-default is complete: Success [3build successful] Build details are at http://buildbot.instantbird.org/builders/linux64-nightly-default/builds/90 18:54:32 --> mpmc has joined #instantbird 18:56:34 <-- myk has quit (Ping timeout: 121 seconds) 19:14:16 --> EionRobb has joined #instantbird 19:37:15 <-- hadi has quit (Quit: Instantbird 1.6a1pre -- http://www.instantbird.com) 19:37:33 --> myk has joined #instantbird 19:39:23 <-- myk has quit (Connection closed) 19:39:40 <-- arlolra has quit (Client exited) 19:51:43 --> myk has joined #instantbird 19:52:10 <-- myk has quit (Quit: Instantbird 1.6a1pre -- http://www.instantbird.com) 19:52:12 --> myk has joined #instantbird 20:52:52 --> aleth has joined #instantbird 20:52:52 * ChanServ sets mode +o aleth 20:56:58 <-- aleth_web has left #instantbird ("") 20:57:01 --> aleth_web has joined #instantbird 20:57:03 <-- aleth_web has left #instantbird ("") 21:02:41 --> nhnt11-tb has joined #instantbird 21:03:00 <-- nhnt11-tb has quit (Client exited) 21:06:04 <-- Bollebib has quit (Quit: Instantbird 1.5 -- http://www.instantbird.com) 21:11:38 <clokep> Try build for addtional protocols for TB: https://tbpl.mozilla.org/?tree=Thunderbird-Try&rev=be087c0afc4d 21:12:48 <-- mpmc has quit (Quit: Instantbird 1.6a1pre -- http://www.instantbird.com) 21:12:48 <-- aleth has quit (Ping timeout: 121 seconds) 21:13:16 <-- BillBinkley has quit (Quit: Instantbird 1.5 -- http://www.instantbird.com) 21:23:46 --> aleth has joined #instantbird 21:23:46 * ChanServ sets mode +o aleth 21:34:48 <clokep> And #2: https://tbpl.mozilla.org/?tree=Thunderbird-Try&rev=be087c0afc4d 21:35:05 <clokep> Oops, those are the same. 21:35:11 <clokep> #2: https://tbpl.mozilla.org/?tree=Thunderbird-Try&rev=0d536e3de2b3 ;) 21:44:48 <-- aleth has quit (Quit: exit stage left) 21:45:10 <-- chrisccoulson has quit (Quit: OSError: [Errno 130] Owner died) 21:47:32 --> aleth has joined #instantbird 21:47:32 * ChanServ sets mode +o aleth 21:51:16 <clokep> qheaden: ping 21:53:10 --> chrisccoulson has joined #instantbird 21:53:26 --> Rym has joined #instantbird 21:53:56 * Fallen is now known as Fallen|away 21:55:34 --> hadi has joined #instantbird 22:14:17 <-- mconley has quit (Connection closed) 22:19:29 <-- nhnt11 has quit (Ping timeout: 121 seconds) 22:20:48 <aleth> Looks like the generic buttons patch means I have to update my toggle list add-on 22:37:18 <-- myk has quit (Quit: Instantbird 1.6a1pre -- http://www.instantbird.com) 22:38:56 --> myk has joined #instantbird 22:59:19 <hadi> I'm interested to see how Instantbird's twitter protocol works 23:01:24 <-- hadi has quit (Connection closed) 23:04:06 --> hadi has joined #instantbird 23:05:20 --> sonny has joined #instantbird 23:08:29 <-- Rym has quit (Ping timeout: 121 seconds) 23:13:41 <-- hadi has quit (Connection closed) 23:14:25 --> hadi has joined #instantbird 23:31:55 --> Widdershins has joined #instantbird 23:33:02 --> Rym has joined #instantbird 23:38:12 <-- sonny has quit (Connection closed) 23:38:53 --> sonny has joined #instantbird 23:39:09 <-- sonny has quit (Connection closed) 23:39:09 --> sonny1 has joined #instantbird 23:45:00 <-- aleth has quit (Ping timeout: 121 seconds) 23:45:18 --> aleth has joined #instantbird 23:45:18 * ChanServ sets mode +o aleth 23:50:22 <-- hadi has quit (Connection closed) 23:51:21 <-- aleth has quit (Ping timeout: 121 seconds)