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02:29:50 <instant-buildbot> build #2377 of macosx-nightly-default is complete: Failure [4failed compile]  Build details are at http://buildbot.instantbird.org/builders/macosx-nightly-default/builds/2377
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03:10:14 <Gnuzilla> Hiya! Anyone here/
03:10:25 <Gnuzilla> ?
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03:12:41 <Gnuzilla> Is there really no one here?
03:12:59 <Gnuzilla> *sigh*  Alright then.  I'll come back later.
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09:06:19 * flo-retina wishes there was a way to retweet without using a context menu :(
09:06:34 <flo-retina> context menus are broken after moving the conv window between retina and non retina screens a few times :(
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09:37:18 <flo-retina> aleth1: what's exactly the status of https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=1004930 ?
09:37:21 <instantbot> Bug 1004930 enh, --, ---, mayanktg, ASSI, Generic way to add buttons for actions to a conversation
09:37:53 <flo-retina> from the flags, it looks like I'm the only one who has done a full review
09:38:05 <flo-retina> but the last attachment is mine, so I don't really think I can r+ it
09:38:35 <aleth1> uh, you requested f? from the wind? Did you mean r?aleth ?
09:38:44 <aleth1> The f?clokep from me was to check it out on Windows
09:39:06 <aleth1> I would look at it today but my build is busted.
09:39:19 <aleth1> Same as the nightlies...
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09:41:58 <flo-retina> aleth: I meant "whoever sees it first"
09:42:20 <flo-retina> I was hoping some of you were eager to land that patch, and I would get a quick reaction just by attaching tweaks and saying I'm now happy with it
09:42:26 <flo-retina> but nothing moved :-|
09:42:33 <aleth> If I hadn't been ill, it might have moved
09:43:06 <flo-retina> you don't need to build it on Mac, I've tested it there and am satisfied
09:43:11 <flo-retina> a review by code inspection is enough
09:43:20 <flo-retina> but yeah, it would be nice to have someone try on Windows
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10:51:49 <flo-retina> aleth: are your comments about the values I tweaked in the CSS? Or about other stuff?
10:52:49 <aleth> They are about how those values relate to each other/what they do. I think it would be helpful to document the logic.
10:53:07 <flo-retina> I'm not 100% sure there is a real logic
10:53:25 <flo-retina> I suspect most of these constants have been tweaked by poking at DOMi until stuff looked good
10:53:45 <flo-retina> it's probably still possible to document which part of the UI is affected (ie. what breaks) by modifying that constant.
10:54:22 <aleth> What I mean is that the 5 for example is probably 4+1
10:54:40 <flo-retina> or 8 - 3 ;)
10:54:44 <aleth> ...
10:54:58 <aleth> possibly ;)
10:55:22 <aleth> Anyway, you cleaned it up a lot :)
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18:36:45 <arlolra> flo-retina: https://developer.pidgin.im/ticket/16397
18:37:50 <flo-retina> seems bad ;)
18:38:26 <arlolra> especially considering https://developer.pidgin.im/ticket/15750#comment:38
18:39:23 <arlolra> they just fixed /me
18:39:33 <flo-retina> arlolra: are we fixing it too? :)
18:40:55 <arlolra> flo-retina: yeah, that's what I'm working on today
18:42:06 <arlolra> but I'm not sure where the right place to do this is
18:42:19 <arlolra> sendCTCPMessage !aIsNotice
18:42:32 <arlolra> are the ones we want
18:42:42 <flo-retina> why !aIsNotice?
18:43:45 <arlolra> implies PRIVMSG
18:44:55 <flo-retina> I thought notice just meant "send the message and get the user's attention"
18:45:12 <arlolra> also concerning is imCommands.js "raw"
18:45:18 <flo-retina> if you type "/help notice" it says "20:44:51 - notice <target> <message>: Send a notice to a user or channel."
18:45:44 <flo-retina> so it seems notices can be private
18:53:00 <arlolra> hmm, ok
18:53:58 <arlolra> flo-retina: what uses imCommands.js "raw"?
18:54:28 <arlolra> is that a generic command all protocols can use?
18:58:59 <arlolra> https://lists.cypherpunks.ca/pipermail/otr-dev/2013-September/001871.html
18:59:18 <arlolra> PRIVMSG nick :\001ACTION ?OTR:...\001
18:59:26 <arlolra> PRIVMSG nick :?OTR:...
19:01:43 <arlolra> https://hg.pidgin.im/pidgin/main/rev/3edc70bf4e09
19:08:42 <arlolra> it seems like this is what they implemented for /me https://lists.cypherpunks.ca/pipermail/otr-dev/2013-September/001886.html
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19:18:38 <flo-retina> arlolra: /raw is a way to skip HTML escaping
19:18:53 <flo-retina> arlolra: that's used if you want to force sending an HTML message, on protocols that support HTML
19:19:17 <arlolra> does it go through the conversation service?
19:19:19 <flo-retina> it would (likely) be removed if we started supporting editing formatted messages in the UI
19:20:07 <arlolra> I guess not
19:20:23 <arlolra> otherwise it would be escaped
19:20:34 <flo-retina> arlolra: it just calls .sendMsg on the conversation: http://mxr.mozilla.org/comm-central/source/chat/components/src/imCommands.js#31
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19:22:15 <flo-retina> arlolra: so /raw skips the processing done at http://mxr.mozilla.org/comm-central/source/im/content/conversation.xml#330
19:22:45 <arlolra> it's a nice way to skip encrypting your messages too
19:22:50 <arlolra> :(
19:23:00 <flo-retina> arlolra: why?
19:23:24 <flo-retina> arlolra: /raw calls http://mxr.mozilla.org/comm-central/source/chat/components/src/imConversations.js#344
19:23:33 <arlolra> because all our encrypting happens in the conversation service and this call directly on the prpl
19:23:42 <flo-retina> really?
19:23:45 <arlolra> yes
19:24:25 <flo-retina> are you saying aConv at http://mxr.mozilla.org/comm-central/source/chat/components/src/imCommands.js#36 is a prplIConv rather than the imIConversation ?
19:24:45 <arlolra> yes
19:26:07 <flo-retina> arlolra: I don't see a compelling reason for that behavior
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19:26:39 <flo-retina> we could likely make executeCommand take an imIConversation
19:26:55 <flo-retina> and then figure out in the imCommands service if we should pass the im or prpl conv to the command
19:27:21 <flo-retina> (I would assume that prpl specific commands wand the prplIConv and global commands want the imIConv)
19:27:27 <flo-retina> *want
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19:36:11 <arlolra> flo-retina: "help" seems to get the imIConv itself https://mxr.mozilla.org/comm-central/source/chat/components/src/imCommands.js#52
19:39:06 <flo-retina> that's a bit ugly, we could get rid of these 3 lines :)
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19:43:15 <arlolra> how do we figure out if we should pass the prplIConv or imIConv? from the help there, it seems like you found it easier to always pass the prpl then let the command query conversation service if it needed the uiconv
19:44:33 <flo-retina> I said earlier "(I would assume that prpl specific commands wand the prplIConv and global commands want the imIConv)". Do you see a problem with that?
19:47:04 <arlolra> nope, but more specifically, when registering the command, there'd be a flag "global": true?
19:50:11 <arlolra> or when executing command, check that prplId is ""
19:51:08 <arlolra> ie. alter _findCommands to return that info
19:51:50 <arlolra> flo-retina: so, indicate on the object that's registered or implicitly through _findCommands?
19:52:25 <flo-retina> it's already indicated on the object registering, isn't it?
19:53:36 <arlolra> is that usageContext: Ci.imICommand.CMD_CONTEXT_ALL,?
19:53:44 <flo-retina> ah, it's not enforced http://mxr.mozilla.org/comm-central/source/chat/components/public/imICommandsService.idl#32 :(
19:54:12 <flo-retina> well, that seems to be a mess :(
19:54:34 <flo-retina> if you want to just implement /raw like /help currently works, I'll accept the patch
19:55:58 <arlolra> ok, I'll start with that
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20:08:33 <instantbot> New Instantbird - Conversation bug 1081559 filed by arlolra@gmail.com.
20:08:34 <instantbot> Bug https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=1081559 nor, --, ---, nobody, UNCO, Send raw msgs through the conversation service
20:08:51 <arlolra> flo-retina: patch attached ^
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21:01:24 <Gnuzilla> Greetings!
21:01:31 <Gnuzilla> Anyone here?
21:08:59 <EionRobb> are you going to stick around for more than 2 min this time?
21:10:38 <Gnuzilla> Oh...I didn't know anyone replied.
21:11:55 <Gnuzilla> When someone gives a new message and no chats are open, Instantbird simply gives an audible noise.  However if you're sound is off or you're afk...that might not be that good.  So I thought maybe some sort of visual cue would be nice as well.
21:12:24 <Gnuzilla> A notification popup or something in the corner, that you got a message.
21:14:47 <Gnuzilla> *sigh* I just noticed I got the grammar wrong on the first you're.
21:14:48 <flo-retina> Gnuzilla: why is the conversation window not opening?
21:15:23 <Gnuzilla> Well...when I launch Instantbird.  Conversation windows don't open by default.  Especially if I haven't received any messages offline.
21:16:03 <flo-retina> but if someone messages you, it will open, won't it?
21:16:29 <Gnuzilla> If someone messages me and I don't already have a chat window open, I'll just hear a ding noise.  
21:16:33 <Gnuzilla> No window pops up.
21:16:59 <Gnuzilla> I'll need to click on a person's name to see if I got a message from them.
21:17:31 <Gnuzilla> Of course no matter who I click on,  there will be a tab open with the message recevied.
21:17:37 <Gnuzilla> received*
21:18:19 <Gnuzilla> But as I mentioned, if I am AFK or the sound is off, I probably won't notice the message in time.
21:18:32 <Gnuzilla> Since all I get is an audible cue.
21:19:47 <flo-retina> do you have add-ons installed?
21:19:54 <Gnuzilla> I do.  
21:20:03 <flo-retina> if someone messages you, the chat window is expected to open immediately
21:20:10 <Gnuzilla> Mine doesn't...
21:20:39 <Gnuzilla> I know it's supposed to popup...but it doesn't.  I thought it was supposed to.
21:21:17 <flo-retina> do you have the "do not disturb" add-on installed?
21:21:25 <Gnuzilla> No...
21:21:34 <Gnuzilla> What does that addon d?
21:21:37 <Gnuzilla> do*
21:21:47 <flo-retina> is there any error in the error console when that chat window fails to open?
21:22:17 <flo-retina> Gnuzilla: that add-on prevents the chat window from opening (and disturbing you) when you have set your status to "do not disturb"/"unavailable"
21:22:40 <Gnuzilla> I never set my status to anything other then available...
21:23:29 <Gnuzilla> Of course, since I have a chat window open at the moment, I'll close it and see if opens again when I get a reply in the IRC.  
21:23:35 <Gnuzilla> At least I hope it works that way...
21:23:49 <flo-retina> Gnuzilla: sure, did it open now?
21:24:01 <Gnuzilla> Now it did. Yes.
21:24:22 <Gnuzilla> However it doesn't seem to do it for AIM...when I receive a message.
21:24:49 <Gnuzilla> I have to have the chat window already open to know that someone said something.
21:25:33 <Gnuzilla> It makes no sense to me..
21:25:38 <flo-retina> neither to me ;)
21:26:41 <Gnuzilla> At least I'm glad to know it opens for the IRC.  Still, I think small little notifications in the corner could be a good way to notify of messages.  
21:27:09 <Gnuzilla> For people who don't want windows popping up but still want to know that someone said something.
21:27:30 <flo-retina> have you looked in the preferences window?
21:27:49 <flo-retina> more specifically the "Notify of messages received in inactive windows" checkbox
21:27:51 <Gnuzilla> Anything in particular that I should look for in preferences?
21:28:32 <Gnuzilla> Oh...I didn't see that before.  Thank you.  I'll close the window to see if it works.
21:29:46 <Gnuzilla> Can anyone reply so that I can test the notifications?
21:29:55 <flo-retina> Gnuzilla: sure
21:30:43 <Gnuzilla> It works.  But the window popped up as well.  I think that would work amazingly with that *Do Not Disturb* addon.
21:31:16 <flo-retina> the add-on would get rid of that popup notification too
21:31:27 <Gnuzilla> It would be nice to have an option to use the notifications without the window popping up.  
21:31:32 <flo-retina> the point of the add-on is to ensure you are NOT DISTURBED ;).
21:31:37 <Gnuzilla> I see...
21:32:41 <Gnuzilla> Still thank you!  It'll probably help me catch messages when the window fails to open.
21:33:28 <flo-retina> Gnuzilla: if you want a specific behavior specifically for you, you can write an add-on for it (we can help you) :)
21:34:02 <Gnuzilla> I'm not particularly good at coding.  Nor do I have the time since I have college exams.
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21:35:15 <Gnuzilla> However, I love Instantbird.  It's my favorite IM client.
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21:35:41 <flo-retina> :)
21:37:10 <Gnuzilla> One day, I know I'll check the addons section and see an abundance of new things.  
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21:38:32 <Gnuzilla> Anyway, thank you so much!  I'm grateful for all the hard work you all put into this software.  Bless yu.
21:38:34 <Gnuzilla> you*
21:38:56 <Gnuzilla> Take care...and keep up the great work!
21:39:20 <flo-retina> thanks!
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22:05:13 <arlolra> flo-retina: does this seem acceptable? https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=1081559#c3
22:05:15 <instantbot> Bug 1081559 nor, --, ---, nobody, UNCO, Send raw msgs through the conversation service
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22:08:34 <flo-retina> arlolra: I would not mix the /msg and /me issues with this
22:09:30 <arlolra> aren't they all just commands though
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