#instantbird log on 09 26 2014

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03:41:51 <instant-buildbot> build #1531 of win32-nightly-default is complete: Failure [4failed compile]  Build details are at http://buildbot.instantbird.org/builders/win32-nightly-default/builds/1531
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05:45:50 <instant-buildbot> build #67 of linux64-nightly-default is complete: Success [3build successful]  Build details are at http://buildbot.instantbird.org/builders/linux64-nightly-default/builds/67
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07:23:58 <Widdershins> o/
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08:01:58 <flo-retina> FYI the IRC server migration has been postponed (again) to next Thursday
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11:06:55 <instantbot> aleth@instantbird.org changed the Resolution on bug 1048521 from --- to DUPLICATE.
11:06:56 <instantbot> Bug https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=1048521 min, --, ---, nobody, RESO DUPLICATE, Strict mode function declaration warnings
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11:24:46 <flo-retina> aleth: ah, so you had actually filed that imContacts.js warning twice? :)
11:25:09 <aleth> Yes...
11:25:20 <aleth> Must have been one of my "file all the warnings" sprees
11:26:15 <flo-retina> :)
11:26:24 <flo-retina> better filed twice (actually, 3 times) than none :)
11:28:06 <aleth> One of these days I'd like a clean error console ;)
11:28:29 <flo-retina> we could do that during the summit for quick reviews ;)
11:28:33 <flo-retina> are you coming? :)
11:28:43 <flo-retina> I finally have my tickets :)
11:29:42 <flo-retina> btw, there's not that much junk in my error console currently
11:29:52 <flo-retina> and I don't have that imContacts.js message
11:29:59 <flo-retina> maybe it's only on debug builds?
11:31:26 <aleth> I mainly see a couple warnings from m-c, but it's not too bad
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11:54:44 <clokep_work> aleth: Hey.
11:54:52 <clokep_work> CSS question for you...wtf does ^= do?
11:55:00 <clokep_work> E.g. in that patch: .conv-counter[value^="-"]
11:55:36 <nhnt11> clokep_work: http://www.w3schools.com/cssref/sel_attr_begin.asp
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12:05:36 <clokep_work> Please don't like my to w3schools, one of my goals in life is to see them shut down. :)
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12:31:14 <aleth> clokep_work: "There is no reason in this case. Generally it's good to use the positive form because it makes programming logic easier to understand (i.e. !invalid vs !valid vs invalid vs valid). Less levels of indirection. To be clear: using invalid here is better." huh? I suspect you misunderstood what I said (I don't disagree with that, but it doesn't seem related to what I posted)
12:32:12 <flo-retina> that paragraph also confused me. I was glad there was the "To be clear:" part at the end to let me peacefully ignore the sentence before that I didn't understand :-].
12:33:03 <clokep_work> aleth: That was in response to him, not you.
12:33:18 <clokep_work> It's bad programming form to name variables with negatives in them.
12:33:27 <clokep_work> Like "notIsReady"
12:33:47 <clokep_work> You should name it "isReady" and put a ! in front.
12:34:19 <aleth> Sure
12:36:05 <clokep_work> Sorry if my example was unclear.
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13:17:27 <clokep_work> Widdershins: Hello. Did you have any questions or anything?
13:18:51 <Widdershins> sup
13:19:21 <Widdershins> no, i just found instantbird today and am interested in seeing how its progress is doing these days
13:19:43 <Widdershins> it's a step up from pidgin, and not just because GTK can't access the clipboard half the time
13:24:15 <clokep_work> Widdershins: Alright, well...let us know if you have thoughts / ideas / want to help out / etc.
13:24:20 <clokep_work> Might want to check the bug tracker first.
13:24:41 <Widdershins> ofc
13:25:20 <Widdershins> only major missing features i might use that seem to be missing are ctrl+f in contact list and rich-text
13:25:49 <Widdershins> you can type to highlight a name in the contact list which is great but it doesn't work if the category is collapsed
13:31:34 <aleth> You've tried the awesometab?
13:31:40 <Widdershins> clokep_work: which bug tracker do you use: i see you have a lot on bugzilla.mozilla but there's some content on bugzilla.instantbird as well
13:32:12 <Widdershins> ctrl+t yeah, it's got search there which is cool
13:33:14 <clokep_work> Widdershins: See the topic. ;) bugzilla.mozilla.org
13:33:23 <Widdershins> ayay my bad
13:33:46 <Widdershins> another quick question though
13:33:55 <Widdershins> there are comments on blog posts and whatnot on the website
13:34:11 <Widdershins> aaaaaaaand there's no apparent way to add one
13:34:36 <clokep_work> Comments are disabled after a month or so.
13:34:41 <clokep_work> We were getting a lot of spam.
13:34:46 <clokep_work> I got tired of going in and clearing our comments.
13:34:48 <Widdershins> oic
13:35:05 <Widdershins> well i know all about that
13:35:27 <clokep_work> It's non-ideal...but frankly I'd rather spend more of my time developing and less of my time on that stuff. :(
13:35:38 <Widdershins> yeah that's fair
13:35:44 <clokep_work> I should write a blog post (or have someone else write one), it's been too long.
13:37:06 <aleth> JS-Yahoo (almost) landed, that could be a blog post from qheaden ;)
13:38:24 <Widdershins> are there plans to remove MSN from the list now that the servers are dead and gone?
13:39:30 <clokep_work> Widdershins: It still works AFAIK.
13:39:46 <clokep_work> I don't log in from this computer or I'd check right now. :)
13:40:04 <clokep_work> But yeah, it will get removed when MSN no longer exists.
13:40:05 <Widdershins> it stopped working last december
13:40:21 <Widdershins> it was more or less exactly 6 months after the 'official' shutdown
13:40:48 <Widdershins> my friend and i were actually talking to each other at the time, at which point everyone's buddy list was cleared and new contacts could not be added
13:40:48 <clokep_work> Funny cause I just logged into it. :P
13:41:35 <aleth> Zombie MSN!
13:41:48 <clokep_work> But yeah, once Pidgin removes it we'll update that into Instantbird (or possible do it before them if they don't do a release in the timeframe we want to take it).
13:42:06 <Widdershins> lookit that
13:42:15 <Widdershins> some of my contacts are back
13:43:20 <clokep_work> So yeah, it's something I'm watching.
13:43:44 <Widdershins> coolio; i wonder if that was a temporary outage
13:44:00 <Widdershins> i haven't used or missed it in 10 months though
13:48:57 <flo-retina> Widdershins: I don't remember MSN ever being reliable, so it could very well have been a temporary server issue
13:49:44 <Widdershins> for a week, 6 months after they told everyone it was shutting down forever
13:49:59 <Widdershins> this is how microsoft do
13:50:28 <Widdershins> they were going to kill GFWL finally this summer, everyone in T3 support at work was really happy about it, then they retconned the decision and it's here to stay indefinitely again
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14:04:51 <clokep_work> Sounds typical. :)
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14:19:14 <Widdershins> clokep_work: i did register for addons.instantbird.org last night but it never sent the confirmation email
14:19:22 <Widdershins> or if it did, i never received it
14:19:35 <clokep_work> Hmmm....
14:19:45 <clokep_work> flo-retina: ^ Did we have a server migration recently that could affect that.
14:20:04 <flo-retina> not recently
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14:20:10 <flo-retina> well, actually, no.
14:20:20 <flo-retina> the AIO server hasn't moved since the 1.0 release several years ago
14:20:36 <flo-retina> it's the other servers that moved several times in the last few months
14:20:49 <Widdershins> well i asked it to re-send the confirmation mail something like 3 times and i'm sure nothing arrived at my gmail
14:21:16 <flo-retina> I assume you've already checked the same
14:21:17 <flo-retina> *spam
14:21:25 <Widdershins> i checked the everything
14:21:38 <Widdershins> and it's been hours
14:22:14 <Widdershins> did it again just now
14:22:30 <Widdershins> my user id is probably 693 if that helps
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14:34:38 <clokep_work> Bah, why do I know my user id on that site?
14:34:57 <clokep_work> Widdershins: Try logging in now.
14:35:12 <flo-retina> clokep_work: because it's a one digit number?
14:35:39 <Widdershins> clokep_work: worked
14:35:44 <Widdershins> o7
14:37:14 <clokep_work> flo-retina: Also my favorite number. ;)
14:37:31 <clokep_work> For future reference if you remove the confirmation code it enables the account.
14:37:37 <clokep_work> That's ... a clear UI. (o_O)
14:39:33 <clokep_work> I just registered for an account w/ another email.
14:39:35 <clokep_work> No confirmation as of yet.
14:39:46 <Widdershins> yup
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14:43:54 <flo-retina> Widdershins: the server seems to think it successfully sent something to a gmail address similar to your nick about 21 minutes ago.
14:44:08 <Widdershins> poor thing
14:45:17 <flo-retina> Widdershins: "relay=gmail-smtp-in.l.google.com[]:25, delay=0.87, delays=0.02/0/0.27/0.58, dsn=2.0.0, status=sent (250 2.0.0 OK 1411741319 s5si2656986wia.4 - gsmtp)" looks like something was successfully sent to gmail
14:45:57 <Widdershins> does it discard bouncebacks?
14:46:44 <flo-retina> I don't think anybody receives emails sent to "nobody@instantbird.org" (if this is what you are asking)
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14:50:27 <clokep_work> I mean...that makes sense.
14:50:36 <clokep_work> It is being sent to nobody...
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15:23:07 <Widdershins> clearly if they wanted to do that they would send to anybody@instantbird.org ( ͡° ͜ʖ ͡°)
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16:31:06 <clokep_work> Maybe everybody? :P
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