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00:00:03 * nhnt11 read the logs 00:00:05 <Alexander84> nhnt11: hello, sir! 00:00:42 <nhnt11> Alexander84: Most of us on this channel like the look of Instantbird more than HexChat :) 00:00:54 <nhnt11> What is it about Instantbird that doesn't please your eyes? 00:00:55 <Alexander84> nhnt11: Tastes differ, no doubt :) 00:02:18 <Alexander84> nhnt11: Actually UI comment was aside security issue discussion, never mind 00:02:31 <nhnt11> Btw, you seem to be annoyed that we don't know certain details about Instantbird by heart 00:02:42 <Alexander84> nhnt11: That's true, indeed 00:02:44 <clokep> Alexander84: Yes, but it has piqued out interest. So can you give some details about what *specifically* you like omre about HexChat's UI? 00:03:05 <Alexander84> clokep: Could you compare them side by side? 00:03:37 <clokep> I don't understand the question, you mean can I open the two images? Yes, I looked a tboth. 00:03:50 <nhnt11> Alexander84: You made some comparisons, like "what color are your mother's eyes" and "size of your footwear" Please keep in mind that the details you are requesting are not such obvious ones to us 00:04:22 <nhnt11> Instantbird is written using the Mozilla platform, and inherits a lot of the code that Firefox uses 00:04:32 <nhnt11> So we don't /have/ to bother with many of the details 00:05:12 <clokep> nhnt11: I just wrote some GROSS promises code: 00:05:21 <Alexander84> clokep: Instantbird UI for IRC to narrow the topic, right? IRC had a long march for 20+ years, there are expectations like sorting ops first, then users, not alphabetically, for example 00:05:33 <nhnt11> Alexander84: clokep wrote the IRC protocol implementation for Instantbird. I'm sure he would be able to give you fast, accurate answers to any questions you have on IRC 00:05:41 <clokep> nhnt11: http://pastebin.instantbird.com/939173 00:05:42 <nhnt11> But certainly not on supported ciphers 00:05:45 <nhnt11> Please be patient :) 00:06:03 * nhnt11 looks at the pastebin 00:06:11 <Alexander84> nhnt11: My initial question was about supported ciphers for XMPP. 00:06:41 <clokep> Alexander84: Personally I find putting ops first very confusing. You're taking your opinion to be an assumption that everyone wants. 00:07:00 <clokep> It's always tough to design UIs for various people. Everyone wants different things. 00:07:03 <Alexander84> clokep: It's called a tradition. 00:07:05 <nhnt11> Alexander84: Well, Instantbird uses libpurple for its XMPP, so you might want to ask the good folks who developed libpurple 00:07:27 <Alexander84> nhnt11: Thank you, that makes sense 00:07:43 <clokep> nhnt11: Except for GTalk / Facebook, those us our own javaScript code. 00:07:48 <nhnt11> Right 00:07:49 <clokep> And the ciphers are handled by NSS no matter what. 00:08:18 * Mook_as tries to figure out the screenshots - so, the IB tested seems to be lacking a, err, GCM AES256 cipher? 00:08:48 <Alexander84> Mook_as: Will you marry me? :) 00:09:00 <clokep> Pidgin can use either NSS or GNU TLS, at the moment. Although it sounds like that's going to change. 00:09:05 <Mook_as> No thanks, I don't like marrying people over IRC. 00:09:08 * clokep mumbles . . . 00:10:12 <clokep> Alexander84: I think tradition is the wrong word, but I understand your point. I do not agree with it, however, I don't like to think that IRC should be kept the same way that it has been for the past 30 years, it can be so much better by taking into account expectations of more modern users and the capabilities of more modern clients. 00:10:23 <nhnt11> Alexander84: You might have just seen that clokep mentioned NSS. Here's some documentation you may want to read: https://developer.mozilla.org/en-US/docs/Mozilla/Projects/NSS 00:10:29 <clokep> Our philosophy is to ensure that the client does what you want and expect it to do, not what someone decided it should do 30 years ago. 00:12:21 <EionRobb> like ranking people by importance? :) 00:12:41 <Alexander84> clokep: Some decisions are timeless. Like wheel, you know. Circle is the perfect shape for millenniums. But as I said, it's your project, inherit as you feel. 00:12:55 <nhnt11> Alexander84: Btw, did you know Instantbird supports message themes? 00:13:11 <Alexander84> nhnt11: Skins, right? :) 00:13:35 <Mook_as> Sorting people by status can be useful at times (to look for an op to kick people, for example); however, sometimes you want to sort by nick too (to start a PM, for example) 00:13:50 <nhnt11> Alexander84: https://addons.instantbird.org/en-US/instantbird/browse/type:1/cat:6 00:14:01 <nhnt11> It's possible you may find a theme you like there (since you liked HexChat's UI more) 00:14:11 <Alexander84> Mook_as: ops are 1-10, rest is people, sorted alphabetically 00:14:24 <Alexander84> *users 00:14:54 <Mook_as> .... I have no idea what that means. 00:14:57 <clokep> Alexander84: I don't think you can compare this to a wheel, that comparision does not make sense. 00:15:07 <nhnt11> clokep: Sorry, I opened your pastebin and forgot about it. Did you want me to look at something in specific? 00:15:08 <clokep> I must respectively disagree though. I find alphabetical sorting to be more useful. 00:15:14 <clokep> This has been asked for before though. 00:15:17 <Alexander84> Mook_as: if you want to PM somebody, but not ops, there are already sorted below ops. 00:15:23 <Alexander84> *they are 00:15:25 <clokep> And I wish there was a good way to be able to switch the sorting, but we've never thought of one. 00:15:33 <clokep> nhnt11: Just the ridiculousness of the formatting. 00:15:36 <nhnt11> The only comment I have is return early on line 32 if aResult is false, but that's more a nit. 00:15:47 <Mook_as> Sure, but if I were to, say, PM cl*kep here, I wouldn't try to remember if he's an op 00:15:55 <Mook_as> clokep: fwiw, CZ uses a context menu, IIRC 00:16:18 <clokep> In fact I'm not always an op, depending on the nick I'm using. 00:16:32 * nhnt11 shrugs, formatting looks fine (I'm used to seeing stuff like `)})},` though) 00:16:59 <Mook_as> <(^^<) <(^^)> (>^^)> ? 00:17:03 <clokep> nhnt11: The ; on a single line by itself doesn't look gross? :P 00:17:20 <nhnt11> Oh haha 00:17:22 <nhnt11> Missed that. 00:17:25 <Alexander84> clokep: question one should ask is why it was made that way. again you try to "reverse engineer" that decision, instead of talking or even reading RFC like docs of that time. 00:17:45 <clokep> Alexander84: I pretty much know the IRC RFCs by heart, they don't specify anything about UI. 00:18:01 <Alexander84> clokep: you like mac user firstly run windows and do not understand why close button not on the left. 00:18:14 <nhnt11> Alexander84: Please do not stereotype Mac users 00:18:23 <clokep> I run Windows, not Mac. But flo-retina, nhnt11 and all the other devs run on Mac. 00:18:48 <Alexander84> nhnt11: exaggeration to illustrate how it looks 00:19:05 <nhnt11> The position of the close button is fairly trivial, I could rant for ages about the drawbacks of Linux/Windows. 00:19:31 <Alexander84> clokep: knowlegdebase will come with time. like case when there are 300+ users and you need to speak with officials, go scrolling for one :) 00:20:29 <nhnt11> Alexander84: I think we can all get along better if you stop saying "you" (i.e. keep things impersonal) 00:20:50 <-- myk has quit (Ping timeout) 00:21:02 <Alexander84> nhnt11: Don't substitute you by your name, think of somebody else. 00:22:05 <Alexander84> "when one needs to speaks" like this 00:22:21 <nhnt11> You were clearly addressing clokep directly there, and comparing his incompetence to that of a technologically challenged user encountering a new OS. 00:22:22 <-- Mook_as has quit (Quit: Mook_as) 00:22:35 <nhnt11> his supposed* incompetence 00:22:58 <clokep> Alexander84: Regardless, you've pointed out a single thing you see that you like better in HexChat, are there other issues you see? 00:23:18 <clokep> Did someone make an add-on to order by status anyway? 00:23:27 <clokep> Or maybe that was for the buddy list... 00:23:34 <nhnt11> clokep: I think you wrote that for the buddy list ;) 00:23:35 <Alexander84> nhnt11: It's perception, suggestive perception. You point at letters on the screen, feel something about them and push meanings. Question more. 00:24:48 --> sonny has joined #instantbird 00:24:55 <nhnt11> Alexander84: I understand, I wanted to show you that strong use of words can be perceived to be insulting, which is counterproductive for everyone. Hence why I asked you to please stop using the word 'you' :) 00:25:51 <Alexander84> nhnt11: oh... ppl, you're so sensitive. you again, damn)) 00:26:19 <EionRobb> that's a pretty subtle nuance of english that "you" is 'strong' 00:26:27 <EionRobb> chillax, bros 00:26:37 * nhnt11 is chillin' 00:27:07 <nhnt11> Good night! 00:27:45 <Alexander84> clokep: You're a good man. It's just software you develop is not well-documented and there are UI things open to debate. Let's not fight between us. 00:27:58 <Alexander84> ^__^ 00:28:21 <Alexander84> nhnt11: good night, sir 00:30:22 <clokep> Alexander84: I don't understand what you want documented. The ciphers? Does *anyone* do that? 00:30:46 <Alexander84> Actually there were and are issues with Hexchat too. And its develovers must be feeling the same about me. However we're more constructive there and something is already done. For example, earlier version of Hexchat didn't underline URLs and it was weird. Together we fixed it :) 00:31:00 <Alexander84> clokep: Sure they do. Let me find examples. 00:33:00 <-- sherief has quit (Input/output error) 00:42:44 <Alexander84> clokep: Usualy they put it to Wiki chapter named "Protocol questions" or simply "Security". Jitsi, multi-protocol client, incl. XMPP comm, goes even deeper and describes specifies of how VoIP connection over XMPP is encrypted https://jitsi.org/Documentation/ZrtpFAQ 00:43:09 <Alexander84> Mozilla has few articles on securing connections https://wiki.mozilla.org/Security:Renegotiation 00:44:27 <Alexander84> Various sites collecting "PRISM-break" software are used to state clearly what security features are included https://prism-break.org/en/protocols/otr/ 00:47:07 <clokep> I don't think any of those links are related the the SSL ciphers used. :-\ 00:47:10 * clokep has to go do things. 00:47:48 <Alexander84> There is a resouce dedicated to testing how secure XMPP server is, it gives mark from A to F and many details. It helps to determite how secure remote part is, but then you need approriate XMPP client. 00:47:58 <Alexander84> https://xmpp.net/index.php 00:48:17 <Alexander84> For example, I use https://xmpp.net/result.php?domain=jappix.com&type=client 00:52:40 <Alexander84> If you're concerned about security there are set of options expected in client besides looking for offshore reliable non-logging XMPP server. That is to say confidence that sofware does not use outdated SSL libraries (hello heartbleed etc) and ciphers both for encrption and digest (hello broken md5 etc), that it will reject any encrypted connection and never send plain password etc. 00:54:54 <Alexander84> Being said, I repeat "if you're concerned about security". Because some XMPP clients promise "we will connect it to any XMPP relay no matter how old it is". 00:55:37 <Alexander84> *reject any non-encrypted 00:59:53 <-- mconley has quit (Input/output error) 00:59:55 <Alexander84> There is a great QA thread http://security.stackexchange.com/questions/1634/which-instant-messaging-services-use-or-allow-secure-protocols-and-what-do-thos 01:05:25 <Alexander84> Oh, server is located in Arizona, US... :) 01:09:01 <clokep> conrete is, yes. 01:09:27 <clokep> I think sand is in Europe and gravel in Asia? 01:12:29 <Alexander84> Initially I connected via irc.mozilla.org/6697 and it must be redirected me to US server, damn 01:14:08 <clokep> You can specific individual servers instead of the round robin if you want. 01:14:53 <Alexander84> True. Should look into docs about. 01:15:07 <Alexander84> Did it for freenode, and here i'm newbie 01:18:28 <Alexander84> gravel.mozilla.org : Amsterdam, Netherlands 01:18:44 <Alexander84> sand.mozilla.org : Santa Clara, California, USA 01:21:58 <Alexander84> However this info could be outdated 01:22:17 <Alexander84> Picked it from here http://searchirc.com/servers/Mozilla 01:22:51 <Alexander84> Tried connecting to gravel -> it redirected me back to concrete 01:22:53 <clokep> I think that's right. 01:23:03 * clokep shrugs. 01:23:40 <Alexander84> sand. doesn't even work 01:24:10 <Alexander84> Trapped in Arizona, right... 01:24:24 <Alexander84> clokep: where are you from? :) 01:24:26 <clokep> Here isn't the place to complain about Mozilla's IRC servers. 01:28:54 <Alexander84> clokep: where are you from? :) 01:29:29 <clokep> That's not relevent. 01:29:37 <Alexander84> oh 01:31:37 --> mconley has joined #instantbird 01:37:16 --> A84 has joined #instantbird 01:47:37 <-- mconley has quit (Quit: NO CARRIER) 01:50:34 <-- clokep has quit (Quit: Instantbird 1.5 -- http://www.instantbird.com) 01:55:42 <Alexander84> Sweet dreams, clokep, don't be angry with me :) 02:00:27 <-- sonny has quit (Ping timeout) 02:22:23 <-- Alexander84 has quit (Quit: --. --- --- -.. -... -.-- . .-.-.-) 02:23:18 <-- A84 has quit (Quit: Nettalk6 - www.ntalk.de) 03:20:19 <instant-buildbot> build #1162 of linux-nightly-default is complete: Failure [4failed compile] Build details are at http://buildbot.instantbird.org/builders/linux-nightly-default/builds/1162 03:42:11 <instant-buildbot> build #1519 of win32-nightly-default is complete: Failure [4failed compile] Build details are at http://buildbot.instantbird.org/builders/win32-nightly-default/builds/1519 03:43:18 <instant-buildbot> build #2352 of macosx-nightly-default is complete: Success [3build successful] Build details are at http://buildbot.instantbird.org/builders/macosx-nightly-default/builds/2352 04:34:47 <instant-buildbot> build #57 of linux64-nightly-default is complete: Failure [4failed compile] Build details are at http://buildbot.instantbird.org/builders/linux64-nightly-default/builds/57 04:55:03 --> myk has joined #instantbird 05:12:48 <-- chrisccoulson has quit (Ping timeout) 05:15:18 --> chrisccoulson has joined #instantbird 05:34:38 --> mconley has joined #instantbird 05:43:10 --> instantbot has joined #instantbird 05:43:10 topic changed by concrete.mozilla.org to "Ask about Instantbird (http://instantbird.com) here!|Current version is Instantbird 1.5! :) |News: http://blog.instantbird.org/ |Nightlies: http://nightly.instantbird.im/ (for testing only) |IRC logs: http://log.bezut.info/ |Pastebin: http://pastebin.instantbird.org/ | Bugs: https://bugzilla.mozilla.org" 05:43:10 * ChanServ sets mode +v instantbot 06:11:08 <-- EionRobb has quit (Quit: Leaving.) 06:52:01 <-- nhnt11 has quit (Ping timeout) 06:52:51 --> nhnt11 has joined #instantbird 07:01:40 <-- nhnt11 has quit (Ping timeout) 07:22:30 --> nhnt11 has joined #instantbird 07:24:18 <-- chrisccoulson has quit (Ping timeout) 07:27:03 * Fallen|away is now known as Fallen 07:50:45 <flo-retina> congrats for staying nice! ;) 07:51:29 <flo-retina> both linux failures are the usual intermittent 07:51:33 <flo-retina> only Windows is really busted 07:57:49 --> gerard-majax has joined #instantbird 08:05:44 --> Bollebib has joined #instantbird 08:13:04 <-- nhnt11 has quit (Ping timeout) 08:20:09 <-- Bollebib has quit (Ping timeout) 08:25:54 --> nhnt11 has joined #instantbird 08:26:40 --> chrisccoulson has joined #instantbird 08:27:16 --> cakcy has joined #instantbird 08:27:55 --> EionRobb has joined #instantbird 08:28:04 <cakcy> Hello! :) Is there a limit to the size of the password of Account properties? Is there a way to exceed that limit? 08:32:57 --> sherief has joined #instantbird 08:35:14 <-- EionRobb has quit (Ping timeout) 08:37:07 --> EionRobb has joined #instantbird 08:38:32 --> sonny has joined #instantbird 08:39:23 <flo-retina> cakcy: I don't know. I've never heard of someone hitting a limit there. 08:40:03 <cakcy> Maybe I'm being stupid ... I'm trying various options to connect to a Bouncer and I can't make it so... 08:41:27 <cakcy> The message I receive from the Bouncer is that I need to use /quote PASS <username>:<password> so I'm trying various options :) 08:41:51 <cakcy> one of them being username:password (where I hit the limit) :-] 08:42:05 <cakcy> oops username : password 08:42:15 <flo-retina> cakcy: there's a limit to the length a single IRC message can have 08:42:28 <flo-retina> but your password isn't 100+ characters long, is it? :) 08:42:32 <cakcy> no no 08:43:12 <flo-retina> I think a specific preference needs to be set from about:config to force sending PASS 08:43:25 <flo-retina> by default we send the password using more modern/secure mechanisms 08:43:46 <cakcy> Is the string sent on connect in this format? /server server.servername.com:1337 Username:Password ? 08:44:02 <cakcy> o_o 08:44:06 <flo-retina> I don't think so 08:44:33 <flo-retina> ok, you need to set the password in a pref named serverPassword 08:44:41 <flo-retina> and you need to create that preference yourself from about:config 08:44:55 <cakcy> Ah... great thanks... I'll try that :) 08:45:01 <cakcy> Thank you very much :) 08:45:19 <flo-retina> no problem 08:45:27 <flo-retina> don't hesitate to ask for more help if you get stuck 08:45:41 * flo-retina thinks we really need to figure out a better solution to avoid people having to tinker with bouncers 08:45:43 <-- flo-retina has quit (Quit: Instantbird 1.6a1pre -- http://www.instantbird.com) 08:45:55 <cakcy> :D I don't know if I should bother you or the bouncer people :) 08:59:22 --> Bollebib has joined #instantbird 09:20:23 <-- cakcy has left #instantbird () 09:31:40 --> flo-retina has joined #instantbird 09:31:40 * ChanServ sets mode +qo flo-retina flo-retina 09:33:35 <flo-retina> It seems like if we set layout.css.filters.enabled to true, we might replace the SVG filter in Bubbles used for context bubbles with just filter: grayscale(40%); 09:51:54 <-- nhnt11 has quit (Ping timeout) 09:56:08 --> BWMerlin has joined #instantbird 10:02:36 <EionRobb> that's pretty cool to see filter support in gecko at last :) 10:03:43 <EionRobb> what do you think the reasoning is behind making it only enable-able with the 'layout.css.filters.enabled' setting? 10:04:17 <-- sherief has quit (Ping timeout) 10:05:02 <flo-retina> EionRobb: you may want to read https://groups.google.com/forum/#!topic/mozilla.dev.platform/ujWvBvtugGY 10:09:11 <EionRobb> ok, but why the setting? 10:10:16 <EionRobb> why not the usual way of the -moz prefix instead? 10:11:12 --> nhnt11 has joined #instantbird 10:16:28 --> clokep has joined #instantbird 10:16:28 * ChanServ sets mode +o clokep 10:18:17 <-- nhnt11 has quit (Ping timeout) 10:20:48 <clokep> flo-retina, cakcy: That's fixed in nightlies. 10:21:54 --> nhnt11 has joined #instantbird 10:23:44 <-- nhnt11 has quit (Ping timeout) 10:27:50 <-- EionRobb has quit (Quit: Leaving.) 10:35:47 <-- clokep has quit (Ping timeout) 10:56:04 <-- myk has quit (Ping timeout) 11:46:32 * Fallen is now known as Fallen|away 11:55:17 --> mpmc has joined #instantbird 11:57:11 --> clokep_work has joined #instantbird 11:57:11 * ChanServ sets mode +o clokep_work 11:59:16 <-- BWMerlin has quit (Quit: BWMerlin) 12:44:26 * Fallen|away is now known as Fallen 13:14:56 <-- flo-retina has quit (Quit: Instantbird 1.6a1pre -- http://www.instantbird.com) 13:27:42 --> redDragon has joined #instantbird 13:43:25 --> sherief has joined #instantbird 13:51:46 * Fallen is now known as Fallen|away 14:00:08 --> aleth has joined #instantbird 14:00:08 * ChanServ sets mode +o aleth 14:05:47 <aleth> flo-retina: re http://log.bezut.info/instantbird/140916#m295 - no idea. If it seems sane and useful I'll show it to Yoric and see if there is a wider need for that kind of thing... 14:18:50 <-- aleth has quit (Quit: exit stage left) 14:18:53 --> aleth has joined #instantbird 14:18:53 * ChanServ sets mode +o aleth 14:25:29 <-- redDragon has quit (Quit: redDragon) 14:29:54 <aleth> clokep_work: In your pastebin from this morning, you probably don't need the executeSoon any more. 14:32:15 <aleth> Maybe the formatting would be nicer if the #ifdef could be replaced by a JS if in this case? not sure if something like this would work there http://mxr.mozilla.org/comm-central/source/im/content/conversation.xml#542 14:37:16 <aleth> You could probably save yourself the "if (aResult)" by rejecting the promise when !aResult in Core.init, then the success handler in then() won't be called in that case. 14:37:49 <clokep_work> Maybe. 14:38:45 <aleth> Those might all be prematurely optimizing comments, but fwiw ;) 14:39:04 <clokep_work> I didn't look at it too long. 14:46:22 --> mconley has joined #instantbird 15:02:02 <-- mpmc has quit (Client exited) 15:07:23 --> mpmc has joined #instantbird 15:09:26 <-- aleth has quit (Ping timeout) 15:14:46 --> A84 has joined #instantbird 15:14:53 <-- A84 has left #instantbird () 15:27:37 <-- mconley has quit (Input/output error) 15:33:09 <-- gerard-majax has quit (Ping timeout) 15:53:48 --> iamjayakumars has joined #instantbird 16:06:39 --> myk has joined #instantbird 16:19:39 --> gerard-majax has joined #instantbird 16:26:52 <-- gerard-majax has quit (Ping timeout) 16:29:53 --> Mook_as has joined #instantbird 16:35:58 --> flo-retina has joined #instantbird 16:35:58 * ChanServ sets mode +qo flo-retina flo-retina 16:37:24 --> gerard-majax has joined #instantbird 16:44:34 <-- iamjayakumars has quit (Quit: ) 16:48:16 <-- gerard-majax has quit (Ping timeout) 16:57:11 <-- Tonnes has quit (Connection reset by peer) 16:58:39 --> Tonnes has joined #instantbird 17:00:04 <-- clokep_work has quit (Ping timeout) 17:00:59 --> gerard-majax has joined #instantbird 17:11:03 <-- gerard-majax has quit (Ping timeout) 17:14:44 <-- sonny has quit (Ping timeout) 17:21:01 --> mconley has joined #instantbird 17:22:03 --> mconley_ has joined #instantbird 17:23:22 <-- mconley has quit (Ping timeout) 17:25:16 <-- mpmc has quit (Quit: Instantbird 1.6a1pre -- http://www.instantbird.com) 17:37:07 <-- mconley_ has quit (Quit: NO CARRIER) 18:05:18 --> arlolra has joined #instantbird 18:44:03 --> Gnubo has joined #instantbird 18:44:14 <Gnubo> Hi 18:44:26 <Gnubo> Does Instantbird have an OTR addon? 18:48:48 <Gnubo> I don't know if there's anyone here 18:49:53 <Gnubo> Anyway, I read that Pidgin saves passwords in plain text. Instantbird is not Pidgin, I know. But since you piggyback off the libpurple libraries, I wanted to ask about how passwords I saved. 18:50:07 <Gnubo> In this day and age, one can't help but be a little cautious. 18:50:15 <arlolra> Gnubo: the OTR extension is in development https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=954310 18:50:17 <instantbot> Bug 954310 enh, --, ---, nobody, NEW, Add support for OTR and encrypted chats. 18:50:46 <Gnubo> Ah...thanks Arlolra. 18:51:24 <arlolra> libpurple is used to add some extra protocol support 18:51:37 <arlolra> most are written in javascript 18:51:42 <Gnubo> I see. 18:52:20 <Gnubo> I love Instantbird, so I'm always rooting that you make this client as awesome as possible. 18:52:58 <arlolra> you can check preferences > privacy > passwords 18:53:20 <arlolra> to configure a master password 18:53:35 <Gnubo> How do I know if passwords are encrypted? I just realized something... 18:54:07 <Gnubo> Since this chat client is based on Mozilla, it wouldn't be too difficult to port a legit password manager would it? 18:54:29 <Gnubo> Lastpass or Keypass? 18:55:13 <Gnubo> I'm not a coder so I can only dream... 18:55:39 <Gnubo> But I'm full of ideas...at least. 18:57:08 <Gnubo> I know...why would they be needed? For all I know the built in Instantbird password manager is good enough. 18:57:49 <Gnubo> I guess I'm a little paranoid. 18:58:01 <arlolra> it's the same password manager as firefox 18:58:33 <Gnubo> Hmmm... 18:59:31 <Gnubo> I really don't know whether that's good news or not... 18:59:49 <Gnubo> But it's something. 19:00:26 <Gnubo> But anyway, some of the innovations you guys and gals are doing are awesome. 19:00:39 <Gnubo> I look forward to the future releases. 19:00:55 <arlolra> it means that the passwords are stored encrypted on your drive 19:01:45 <arlolra> but unless you use a master password, someone with access to your machine can still launch Instantbird and see them 19:02:12 <Gnubo> Oh...If that's the case, that makes me feel better. But yeah, that's common sense. 19:02:38 <Gnubo> You shouldn't just leave your accounts exposed... 19:05:21 <Gnubo> Oh! I heard about a new protocol. It's called the telegram messenger. Maybe it's something that can be added to Instantbird in the future as another option...through an addon or something. 19:05:51 <Gnubo> Here's their site as a reference. https://www.telegram.org/ 19:06:04 --> nhnt11 has joined #instantbird 19:09:53 <Gnubo> Anyway, I always brag about Instantbird. And I hope it gains more notoriety soon. Take care all. Thank you so much for everything you all are doing. :d 19:09:56 <Gnubo> :D 19:10:10 <-- Gnubo has quit (Quit: http://www.mibbit.com ajax IRC Client) 19:41:35 --> clokep_work has joined #instantbird 19:41:35 * ChanServ sets mode +o clokep_work 19:48:07 <-- chrisccoulson has quit (Quit: OSError: [Errno 130] Owner died) 19:50:25 --> Armada has joined #instantbird 19:57:24 --> Simone has joined #instantbird 19:57:53 --> chrisccoulson has joined #instantbird 19:58:27 <-- Simone has left #instantbird () 20:05:55 --> mconley has joined #instantbird 20:15:41 <-- mconley has quit (Quit: NO CARRIER) 20:23:51 --> EionRobb has joined #instantbird 20:45:38 * Fallen|away is now known as Fallen 20:53:45 <-- clokep_work has quit (Ping timeout) 21:59:34 <-- Even has quit (Input/output error) 21:59:36 --> Even has joined #instantbird 21:59:36 * ChanServ sets mode +o Even 22:00:50 <-- arlolra has quit (Quit: arlolra) 22:21:03 <-- EionRobb has quit (Ping timeout) 22:48:27 --> mpmc has joined #instantbird 22:57:50 <-- Armada has quit (Ping timeout) 22:59:03 --> Armada has joined #instantbird 23:03:03 <-- Armada has quit (Ping timeout) 23:08:05 <-- myk has quit (Ping timeout) 23:10:11 --> Armada has joined #instantbird 23:15:49 --> EionRobb has joined #instantbird 23:19:21 --> clokep has joined #instantbird 23:19:21 * ChanServ sets mode +o clokep 23:22:16 --> mconley has joined #instantbird 23:24:33 <-- Armada has quit (Ping timeout) 23:25:31 <-- Mook_as has quit (Ping timeout) 23:26:20 --> Mook_as has joined #instantbird 23:43:26 <-- Bollebib has quit (Client exited) 23:48:07 --> Rym has joined #instantbird 23:59:24 <-- mconley has quit (Quit: NO CARRIER)