#instantbird log on 09 10 2014

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01:34:54 <arlolra> clokep: thanks for taking a look
01:34:58 <arlolra> did you build with it?
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01:39:30 <clokep> No, not yet.
01:39:40 <clokep> I'll do it on my Mac tonight or maybe tomorrow.
01:39:48 * clokep got pounded at work this week
01:41:12 <arlolra> ha
01:41:28 <arlolra> sorry to hear it
01:47:58 <clokep> arlolra: Btw I wouldn't upload a new patch just t ochange the thing I pointed out. Wait for flo-retina / aleth to take a look. :)
01:48:52 <arlolra> ok. I was very tempted to :)
01:58:12 <clokep> :-F
01:58:13 <clokep> :-D
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03:20:09 <instant-buildbot> build #1155 of linux-nightly-default is complete: Failure [4failed compile]  Build details are at http://buildbot.instantbird.org/builders/linux-nightly-default/builds/1155
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03:42:40 <instant-buildbot> build #2340 of macosx-nightly-default is complete: Success [3build successful]  Build details are at http://buildbot.instantbird.org/builders/macosx-nightly-default/builds/2340
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04:13:55 <instant-buildbot> build #1512 of win32-nightly-default is complete: Success [3build successful]  Build details are at http://buildbot.instantbird.org/builders/win32-nightly-default/builds/1512
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08:56:34 <Fallen> flo-retina: ping
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09:28:12 <flo-retina> Fallen: hello
09:28:57 <Fallen> flo-retina: I'd like to put up some projects for the VALS Semester of Code and am in the process of signing up as an Organization. Any doubts in setting the Organization name to Mozilla? I'm sure I can make other people org admins if needed.
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09:32:16 <flo-retina> Fallen: I looked at Semester of Code a bit. I don't think I have time to be admin there. I forwarded the information to mhoye who said he was taking care of it and would keep me in the loop.
09:34:51 <flo-retina> mhoye works from Toronto, so probably not online yet.
09:35:11 <Fallen> flo-retina: I don't need you to be an admin, I just need an ok to put Mozilla in as the org title. The deadline for projects is the 12th, so I'd like to move forward on it. I'll wait until he is online, let me know if you hear anything
09:35:18 <flo-retina> I think you should coordinate with him so that we don't send duplicate applications :)
09:35:22 <Fallen> ok :-)
09:36:40 <Fallen> Thanks for the info!
09:36:50 <flo-retina> np
09:36:59 <flo-retina> keep me informed of what happens there :)
09:37:10 <Fallen> sure, will do
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10:27:05 <aleth> 12:26:13 - aleth: […]  I have a slightly better idea of what Symbols are for now. They are a new class of object property type that doesn't show up among ownProperties
10:27:06 <aleth> 12:26:37 - aleth: Most obvious use case is replacing the existing @@... properties
10:27:27 <clokep> What d oyou mean by "replacing" them?
10:27:42 <clokep> Btw, do you literally call the @@ properties with an @@ in front of them or is it just like a naming scheme?
10:27:52 <aleth> Instead of object["@@iterator"] you do object[Symbol.iterator]
10:28:06 <aleth> This is a bit hard to figure out as it's not been implemented yet ;)
10:28:33 <aleth> Then there's a getOwnPropertySymbols that returns all the symbol properties of an object
10:29:11 <aleth> The idea is there's a scope-wide register of such symbols, i.e. they can be global
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10:33:50 <aleth> So in effect they are an alternative to standard property names (ie keys of an object)
10:34:35 <clokep> That's confusing.
10:34:48 <aleth> Yeah... some of the confusion may be mine though ;)
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18:28:15 <hadi> help, instantbird crashes as soon as i  launch it
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19:00:25 <flo-retina> bug 1065562 for more bouncer pain :-/
19:00:27 <instantbot> Bug https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=1065562 nor, --, ---, nobody, UNCO, Thunderbird associates irc networks that share the same address. Breaking irc Bouncers
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19:49:08 <clokep_work> Fallen: Are things like bug 794322 a common set up for bouncers?
19:49:11 <instantbot> Bug https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=794322 nor, --, ---, nobody, NEW, Duplicate IRC accounts confuse Thunderbird
19:59:37 <flo-retina> how much effort would it be to develop a bouncer based on our js-irc code and xpcshell?
20:00:10 <clokep_work> flo-retina: I don't understand why you'd want to do that.
20:00:54 <flo-retina> if we wanted to develop our own bouncer to compete against services like irccloud, what would you use?
20:01:42 <clokep_work> aleth and I had a conversation about this the other day.
20:01:56 <clokep_work> https://github.com/ircanywhere/ircanywhere would be an option.
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20:15:28 <flo-retina> would that be better than using our own code?
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20:16:09 <flo-retina> I was thinking that by using an ib specific protocol for the communication between the bouncer and the UI (likely a JSON stream over XHR, to pass proxies easily), we could have a better UX than traditional bouncers
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20:19:30 <clokep_work> flo-retina: That's reasonable, but someone needs to build it.
20:19:41 <clokep_work> If there's something out there already...well if we can just hook up to it...that'd be easier.
20:19:57 <clokep_work> As I was describing to aleth I was trying to just take that git repo and deploy it on heroku with a configuration.
20:20:02 <clokep_work> But I didn't get it to work.
20:20:28 <flo-retina> would be nice to have a solution that's trivial to deploy on a free heroku instance indeed!
20:21:44 <clokep_work> So that was my thought process. :)
20:22:01 <flo-retina> finding someone to build it (I could do it, or a GSoC student could) seems easier than maintaining it long term (we would need the whole team to support the project)
20:22:01 <clokep_work> If we could deploy xpcshell + some of our code, that would be neat and owuld work as well ;)
20:22:18 <clokep_work> Well I'd almost definitely use it so...
20:22:18 <flo-retina> or maybe we should look at running our code on node.js
20:22:41 <flo-retina> the only thing that probably doesn't work at this point is function() foo instead of function() { return foo; } but that's being removed anyway :(
20:22:56 <clokep_work> Umm...the imports and stuff won't work?
20:23:21 <flo-retina> shouldn't be very hard to do something else instead
20:23:35 <flo-retina> the .idl files could be a problem, but we could possibly hack around it too
20:25:45 * clokep_work isn't a big fan of node.
20:26:04 <clokep_work> But yes, it seems like we should offer an "easy" way around this issue with bouncers.
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