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08:26:27 <instantbot> florian@queze.net changed the Resolution on bug 998865 from --- to INVALID.
08:26:34 <instantbot> Bug https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=998865 nor, --, ---, nobody, RESO INVALID, ytyty
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14:02:30 <mayanktg> Hello
14:02:45 <aleth> Hi mayanktg
14:03:27 <mayanktg> aleth: waiting for the results! butterflies everywhere :-|
14:04:07 * mayanktg age long exams are over finally!
14:04:22 <aleth> I don't know at what time they are sent out. Congrats on finishing your exams :)
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14:05:11 <mayanktg> 12:30am here in India. yeah! I can now focus here...
14:06:19 <mayanktg> btw for bug 975542 II tried my best to reduce the width of the image...It just didn't work in Firefox 
14:06:20 <flo-retina> http://www.google-melange.com/gsoc/events/google/gsoc2014 says 19:00 UTC
14:06:21 <instantbot> Bug https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=975542 enh, --, ---, nobody, NEW, Set user icon from image taken with the webcam.
14:06:34 <flo-retina> that's 5 hours from now.
14:06:51 <flo-retina> but tbh, I wouldn't be surprised if they were half an hour or so late ;)
14:07:09 <mayanktg> flo-retina: Yes! But you know the result :-D
14:07:25 <flo-retina> mayanktg: heh
14:07:36 <flo-retina> mayanktg: and you know I'm not allowed to tell any student ;).
14:07:52 <aleth> mayanktg: when you say "it didn't work in Firefox" do you mean "it works in IB"?
14:08:07 <mayanktg> flo-retina: I didn't ask! :P
14:08:20 * aleth is not going to be dropping any hints
14:08:23 <mayanktg> aleth: No it didn't. 
14:09:37 <aleth> mayanktg: Does it matter? Can't you just rescale before saving? Or do you mean the aspect ratio is broken or something?
14:10:05 <mayanktg> The WebRTC API is dependent on Firefox. It doesn't allow setting such small resolution. Even the Image capturing example given in MDN doesn't work properly in FF.
14:10:50 <flo-retina> "the Image capturing example given in MDN doesn't work properly in FF" seems surprising
14:10:52 <mayanktg> aleth: yes the aspect ratio is broken. And on compressing, the image looses its quality
14:10:57 <aleth> It doesn't depend on Firefox, Firefox just uses it, just like IB
14:11:00 * flo-retina doesn't know the context and isn't sure he wants to look into it now
14:11:25 <mayanktg> https://developer.mozilla.org/en-US/docs/WebRTC/Taking_webcam_photos
14:11:58 <aleth> mayanktg: If an example there doesn't work, you may want to file a WebRTC bug.
14:12:17 <mayanktg> wait..let me try it once more to confirm it again
14:13:33 <mayanktg> brb
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14:14:28 <mayanktg> flo-retina: The link to the jsfiddle example they mentioned in the wiki http://jsfiddle.net/codepo8/agaRe/4/
14:15:20 <mayanktg> Try it in ff whenever free. I tried it on my Ubuntu system and it didn't work :-/
14:17:36 <aleth> mayanktg: The take photo button doesn't seem to work, but the width of the preview does work.
14:18:05 <aleth> i.e. I can change it to whatever I want.
14:18:15 <aleth> Note the height is set to zero.
14:18:26 <mayanktg> aleth: ok.
14:18:33 <mayanktg> I did notice that. 
14:19:02 <aleth> Sounds like you should file a bug...
14:19:36 <aleth> You can cc whoever wrote the jsfiddle ;)
14:21:20 <mayanktg> aleth: ok. But its working when you use Google Chrome.  Will do that :)
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14:29:52 <mayanktg> can someone please vouch my profile? https://mozillians.org/en-US/u/mayanktg/
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14:33:49 <mayanktg> Thankyou so much :)
14:34:26 * aleth vouched too but I was too late ;)
14:35:05 <mayanktg> Then who did it? Thanks everyone then! :)
14:35:24 <aleth> The main thing is it worked :)
14:36:49 <clokep_work> mayanktg: It says pretty clearly in your profile that I did it.
14:36:55 <clokep_work> ;)
14:37:07 <clokep_work> (After figuring out the log in dance on that site again. :-\)
14:37:40 <mayanktg> yeah..it didn't say it in mail I received.
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14:43:51 <clokep_work> Alright.
14:44:21 <clokep_work> aleth: bug 998579 sounded like a dup to me?
14:44:23 <instantbot> Bug https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=998579 nor, --, ---, nobody, UNCO, Jabber contacts added remain in "Other Contacts", even when added to visible tags
14:45:36 <aleth> I'm confused by "users sending me contact requests that I accept have no tags by default". I thought we didn't automatically add contacts for those, and if we do, they should have a tag.
14:46:44 <clokep_work> Maybe they go into a tag that the person removed?
14:46:54 <aleth> Bug 953504
14:46:57 <instantbot> Bug https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=953504 nor, --, ---, nobody, NEW, Prompt to add buddy to the buddy list after an authorization request
14:47:17 <aleth> clokep_work: You can't remove the last tag of a contact.
14:47:26 <aleth> If it's possible, it's a bug.
14:47:31 <clokep_work> It's possible that some service they're using though automatically has two way adding?
14:47:42 <clokep_work> aleth: That's not what I said. :-S
14:47:54 <clokep_work> I said the tag was "x"ed out such that it goes into "Other Contacts".
14:48:04 <aleth> Oh, you mean a hidden tag.
14:48:21 <clokep_work> Yes.
14:49:16 <aleth> Basically I'm not sure what the bug is or if there is a bug ;) It will help to know if it's JS-XMPP or libpurple we are talking about.
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14:51:55 <flo-retina> aleth: the bug is a bug of the Other Contacts magic tag
14:52:01 <flo-retina> s/tag/group/
14:52:13 <flo-retina> I'm pretty sure I either filed it or complained about it here
14:52:52 <aleth> I'm pretty sure I fixed one of those for 1.5
14:53:28 <aleth> If there are still bugs, I wouldn't be too surprised, but STR would help increase my confidence ;)
14:53:35 <clokep_work> I don't think the one flo-retina complained about was fixed, I'm unsure if he filed a bug or not though.
14:54:02 <flo-retina> clokep_work: I'm sure aleth fixed the specific problem I complained about the most
14:54:13 <flo-retina> and a week or so later I noticed another similar but slightly different case that wasn't fixed
14:54:37 <clokep_work> Ah, I see.
15:01:04 <flo-retina> clokep_work: looks great; thanks for preparing this! :)
15:01:34 <flo-retina> just one more piece of feedback: you may want to list the mentors there too
15:01:41 <clokep_work> OK.
15:01:56 <flo-retina> hmm, I think that was for another channel :-S
15:02:02 <flo-retina> but I guess you know what I Mean
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17:20:20 * clokep_work wonders if Mook_as saw the stuff he was trying to do with sub-classing a built-in object (Map).
17:20:31 <Mook_as> No, I don't think I did
17:21:51 <aleth> clokep_work: I was wondering why you didn't use object.create
17:22:29 <clokep_work> Mook_as: http://log.bezut.info/instantbird/140418/#m282 is the conversation.
17:22:38 <clokep_work> I mostly just think you'd find it interest, but you might have a solution. :)
17:24:29 <Mook_as> Your first paste seems to be missing
17:25:08 <clokep_work> Oh it might have been only set to a single day. :( Oops.
17:25:40 <Mook_as> and yeah, I don't have any good ideas. just the wrap-all-methods one (possibly based on Object.getOwnPropertyNames(Map.prototype) )
17:25:49 <clokep_work> I was pretty much trying to subclass Map by setting somethings __proto__ to Map.prototype or Map, etc.
17:25:54 <Mook_as> Though I'd expect @@iterator to give you problems
17:26:05 <clokep_work> Alright.
17:26:19 <clokep_work> The code I currently have actually wraps a "real" map.
17:26:23 <clokep_work> And it seems to be working OK.
17:26:36 <Mook_as> Essentially, though, I'm not sure Map makes sense; that's meant for Object keys, right?
17:26:44 <Mook_as> whereas you want a string key (normalized name)
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17:47:41 <clokep_work> Right.
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18:11:05 <zw> can I turn off notifications that appear inside the chat tab? "soandso is offline" "soandso is unavailable" "soandso is available" it's annoying!
18:12:12 <zw> I have a facebook user and for example I have exactly 13 chat messages between us, mixed with 15 status messages. yes, more status messages than actual chat messages. it's too much
18:12:27 <aleth> zw: Not yet (we do have a bug for it open though)
18:12:41 <aleth> There are some message styles that make them less obtrusive though.
18:13:26 <aleth> Btw, you can use Instantbird for IRC too ;)
18:14:41 <zw> I know it supports IRC, I can't figure out how to add it though, it's asking for a password when I try to add the account at the IRC URL
18:15:10 <aleth> That's your nickserv password if you have one. Leave it blank if you don't have one, it will still work.
18:15:34 <aleth> But thanks, I didn't realize that could be confusing.
18:15:56 <zw> what is the URL for this IRC channel to add in bird?
18:16:06 <aleth> irc.mozilla.org
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18:16:39 <aleth> Then when you have the account set up, you can find the channel in the new conversation tab
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18:17:58 <zw> ok I get it, but now it's added like a zillion mozilla channels and flooding the contacts
18:18:26 <aleth> If you start typing it will filter.
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18:19:22 <aleth> Your frequent contacts should still be on top.
18:20:14 <zw> there is no url that can add just this channel as a contact, without all the others being added?
18:20:40 <aleth> Those other channels aren't contacts - they don't appear in your contact list windoe.
18:21:01 <clokep_work> Why do you need a URL? I think you're mixing unrelated concepts.
18:21:13 <clokep_work> You can disable showing of IRC channels in the new conversation tab.
18:21:35 <clokep_work> You can join a new IRC channel via File > Join ... if you directly know the name of it (i.e. #Instantbird)
18:21:46 <aleth> And the channels will disappear from the new conversation tab if that account is not connected.
18:24:16 <zw> what I'm saying is I may join other irc servers so it seems like a waste for the program to be looking up and listing a zillion channels. What I'm asking is if there is a way to simply add one single channel as a "friend" or shortcut that I can open when I want
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18:24:41 <zw> also I don't see the option to disable show channels in the new convo tab
18:25:09 <aleth> Not at the moment. A channel you join frequently will however show up closer to the top of the new conversation tab.
18:25:57 <aleth> What you can do is add a channel to the autojoin list of the account, so it is always joined when that account connects. Not sure if that helps
18:28:09 * aleth finds it interesting that new users are already using the awesometab as their contact list
18:30:32 <Mic> zw: afaik the setting you're lookinf for is "chat.irc.automaticList" in about config.
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18:30:52 <zw> aleth, that is only because the regular list is auto-generated? Mine literally shows one online ICQ user, and like 4 of my 130 Facebook friends. I frequently contact offline users, so the main contact list is not all that useful
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18:31:16 <aleth> zw: You can right-click on the contacts in the contact window and select "show offline contacts"
18:31:41 <aleth> What do you mean by "regular list"?
18:31:44 <Mic> zw: the contact list should give an overview who's online while the Awesome Tab should make it easy to start a conversation.
18:31:59 <zw> yes, but then it shows too many people I don't care about and floods out my online people. So honestly the "these contacts are used frequently" list is much more useful
18:32:40 <aleth> zw: But then the IRC channels showing up shouldn't be a problem because ones you never join will always be at the bottom. You won't see them unless you scroll
18:33:08 <zw> yes, it's not a big deal. I just figured the program was spending too much computing resources building the listings needlessly
18:33:19 <aleth> Not really. It doesn't ask for the list constantly ;)
18:33:59 <aleth> It gets buffered.
18:34:28 <zw> sure. and I am a brand new user, coming from most recently Miranda, and before that Digsby. No client seems to handle facebook well so I've been playing with them.
18:35:07 <zw> this one seems very clean and nice, but uses a crap ton of RAM. Miranda was like 8 megs, Pidgin about 30 or 40, but bird is over 100 megs, so kinda high
18:36:51 <aleth> Apart from RAM being there to be used ;) we're hoping to look into reducing that a bit.
18:37:18 <aleth> At least I have some IRC RAM issues on my todo list :-|
18:37:50 <zw> well, it's the fourth most RAM consuming app running, behind browsers and email client.
18:39:49 <Mic> zw: may I ask how much RAM the computer has?
18:42:17 <zw> 8gigs
18:43:41 <Mic> 100 MB are 100MB of course but isn't it almost a neglectable fraction of your totally installed memory? I don't mean to say that we can't improve there, but...
18:44:15 <clokep_work> Mic: It is, thanks.
18:44:16 <Mic> ... the options and flexibility of the Mozilla platform are awesome (at the price that we're shipping the Gecko rendering engine with IB)
18:44:24 <zw> it's relative. since bird and miranda both have to use xmpp to talk with facebook, one wonders how one works at 7megs and the other 100megs
18:45:38 <clokep_work> Again, I'd argue...why do you care if it isn't really an issue for you?
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18:46:56 <clokep_work> If you care that much about 93 MB of RAM, I'd suggest going back to Miranda since I doubt we'd ever be able to optimize it to be down to that number.
18:47:10 <clokep_work> (Oops, I sound a bit like a Pidgin developer there, sorry.)
18:47:36 <clokep_work> But Miranda and Instantbird are very different, as Mic pointed out we ship the entire Mozilla toolkit with Instantbird, which makes it a bit heavy, but allows insane customizability.
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18:49:06 <zw> that is the question then isn't it? What do we, the end users, get for 93mb of ram? Obviously if there is no benefit, then the only difference is one is highly optimized while the other is who knows what
18:49:19 <nhnt11> I got my acceptance email. Thanks!
18:49:30 * nhnt11 looks forward to another great summer
18:49:53 <Mic> nhnt11: waaait, in which order did you get the emails? scnr, just kidding ;)
18:50:10 <clokep_work> nhnt11: Congratulations.
18:50:19 <Mic> Awesome :)
18:50:50 <clokep_work> zw: I've never done a feature comparison of the two, so I can't say for sure. Regardless, Mic gave you the preference to flip if you don't like the channels showing up in there.
18:50:53 <zw> My problem is that sometimes we get these apps that are built on java and use ridiculous amounts of RAM because it's so sloppy. just making sure bird doesn't use this much ram because it's sloppy
18:51:04 <Mic> zw: are you familiar with Firefox and the add-on that are available there?
18:51:16 <Mic> *add-ons
18:51:31 <zw> FF is my main browser, I actually like the familiarity between bird and FF
18:52:13 <nhnt11> Mic, clokep_work: Thanks! Who's my official mentor?
18:52:14 <Mic> FF add-ons allow to customize almost everything. Change every dialog, add buttons, how the tabs are aligned, ...
18:52:18 * nhnt11 should write a blog post
18:52:22 <Mic> zw: we can do that too.
18:52:54 <Mic> clokep_work even ported an add-on from Firefox to align the tabs vertically. That's the power of the platform.
18:53:56 <zw> well, can't say I need any plugins. I looked through available themes and sadly they are all pretty ugly, lol
18:54:53 <zw> where is the plugin to stop showing status changes in the chat window?
18:54:59 <clokep_work> arlolra: I'll try to take a look at that tonight. Swamped at work right now.
18:55:15 <clokep_work> zw: There is not one. The bubbles theme collapses them by default.
18:56:39 <arlolra> clokep_work: thanks
18:56:52 <arlolra> there's no rush
18:57:57 <Mic> Congratulations to the accepted GSoC participants :)
18:58:20 <Mic> I hope it's going to be a fun for all of us! :)
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18:59:43 <zw> sorry, another question. when I open a chat with someone, can it show some previous messages? or even the entire history available? Or a day or two?
19:00:12 <clokep_work> Hopefully after nhnt11 finishes his GSoC project.
19:00:19 <sawrubh> woo
19:00:25 <sawrubh> I got accepted!
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19:00:39 <clokep_work> sawrubh: Congrats. :)
19:00:58 <Mic> zw: that's one of the GSoC projects :)
19:01:14 <nhnt11> sawrubh, mayanktg: Congrats :)
19:01:20 <zw> What is GSoC and what are people being "accepted" to?
19:01:21 <Mic> You can use the log viewer (available from the context menu of the tab) to check earlier messages though.
19:01:22 <sawrubh> thanks!
19:01:28 <Mic> "Google Summer of Code"
19:01:31 <mayanktg> is it!
19:01:44 <Mic> People are getting paid by Google to work full-time on open source projects.
19:01:45 <mayanktg> the page isn't opening
19:02:05 <nhnt11> mayanktg: Google should have sent you an email. And your name is in the list :)
19:02:05 <Mic> It's a kind of internship.
19:02:11 <mayanktg> Thankyou so much
19:02:24 <Mic> mayanktg: :)
19:02:33 <mayanktg> I am unable to type
19:02:36 <mayanktg> :(
19:02:37 <zw> ok, so nothing to do with bird
19:02:51 <mayanktg> clokep_work: yes i received it ..thanks a lot
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19:03:10 <sawrubh> flo-retina: clokep_work thanks guys
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19:03:57 <clokep_work> zw: We have 3 students working with us this summer. http://blog.instantbird.org/2014/04/google-summer-of-code-2014-has-commenced/
19:04:37 <mayanktg> Thanks for making my day! Calling my parents :)
19:05:25 <Mic> *summer
19:05:37 <zw> ah, sounds cool. I use chat a lot, would love to send all my suggestions somewhere. is there a feature request email or something?
19:06:46 <clokep_work> zw: We use bugzilla.mozilla.org to track bugs and feature requests.
19:08:16 <zw> ok, well back to work for me, I'll be testing this app today and I hope it does better than miranda and pidgin!
19:09:00 <Mic> zw: sure, feel free to file bugs with improvement requests or actual bug reports for broken things (I hope you won't find any;)
19:09:29 <Mic> Make sure to glance over https://developer.mozilla.org/en-US/docs/Mozilla/QA/Bug_writing_guidelines to avoid common mistakes if you're not used to writing bug reports.
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19:09:46 <Mic> clokep_work: nice eamil :)
19:09:49 <Mic> *email
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19:22:44 <Mic> bye
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20:27:55 <flo-retina> nhnt11, mayanktg, sawrubh: congratulations! :-)
20:28:27 <nhnt11> flo-retina: :)
20:28:56 <flo-retina> "Calling my parents :)" waking parents in the middle of the night seems to be a tradition for GSoC students from India ;)
20:29:04 <nhnt11> :P
20:29:15 * nhnt11 didn't bother this time, just a text.
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20:30:01 <nhnt11> Wow, all three of us are from India. GSoC seems to be getting ever more popular here...
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20:32:18 <flo-retina> nhnt11: yeah, LOTS of applicants were from India this year
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20:38:03 <EionRobb> generally seems to be that way most years
20:38:39 <EionRobb> well, not sure about you guys, but for pidgin there is :)
20:38:45 <EionRobb> *was :(
20:43:14 <clokep_work> Yeah, there were a lot from India.
20:44:54 <EionRobb> did you get any mass-applications from groups with their own agenda?
20:45:07 <clokep_work> No.
20:45:17 <clokep_work> Is Pidgin doing GSoC this year? I didn't see it in the list of orgs.
20:45:34 <EionRobb> no we didn't get through because of a mis-communication about one of our links in our application
20:45:43 <clokep_work> :(
20:45:49 <EionRobb> I copy-pasted last years link, but someone had moved the wiki page and it 404'd so we were rejected :(
20:49:01 <flo-retina> uh, I'm sorry :-/.
20:50:09 <clokep_work> :-\ I thought Wikis tracked that stuff! :(
20:50:12 <EionRobb> yeah, was gutting.  could have been resolved in 5mins if they let us know. I was to be the co-admin this year too :)
20:50:13 <flo-retina> "mass-applications from groups with their own agenda" not exactly sure what you mean here, but we got a group from a specific area that tried to get students from their area to apply, and to get mentors from the same geographic area (instead of looking for mentors with the relevant skills anywhere in the world).
20:50:23 <EionRobb> clokep_work: yeah, silly old trac
20:50:34 <clokep_work> EionRobb: Well you can comment from the peanut gallery here (as I expect you to anyway :P)
20:50:50 <EionRobb> flo-retina: like one year, we had 150 applications (or maybe slightly more) all wanting to implement retroshare in pidgin
20:50:59 <EionRobb> clokep_work: more peanuts!
20:51:00 <flo-retina> EionRobb: lol
20:51:19 <flo-retina> EionRobb: just the name "retroshare" reminds me of endless fruitless discussions with a guy or two
20:51:25 * clokep_work hopes no one here is allergic.
20:51:54 <EionRobb> flo-retina: ugh, yeah, I have conversations with a few people like that.  another 'library' called spot-on is like that
20:53:01 <EionRobb> him:"but look, the spoton kernel is all written in C!"  me:"yes, but the actual encryption and communication is written in Qt and OpenSSL"  him:"but it's C!!!!"
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20:53:36 <EionRobb> repeat ad nauseum
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20:54:09 <flo-retina> EionRobb: well, it's possible to write a lot of crap in C ;)
20:55:12 <EionRobb> lol
20:56:01 <EionRobb> the 'kernel' he kept pushing is just a handful of C functions for writing to sqlite to keep track of multiple process id's
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21:01:14 <flo-retina> I've got to go, talk to you all tomorrow.
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21:03:45 <EionRobb> clokep_work: so where are you up to with the process?  have you picked students yet?
21:09:39 <clokep_work> EionRobb: Stuff was announced earlier today: http://blog.instantbird.org/2014/04/google-summer-of-code-2014-has-commenced/
21:11:30 <EionRobb> all very cool projects :)  nice picking
21:19:38 <clokep_work> :) Thanks.
21:19:44 <clokep_work> We don't have the hard part though. ;)
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21:31:16 <EionRobb> what's the hard part?
21:32:31 <clokep_work> Going through our reviews? :P
21:32:34 <clokep_work> I don't know.
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22:50:04 <mayanktg> flo-retina, Mic: thanks a lot! lets get started straight away :)
22:51:28 <mayanktg> I'll reply to the mail as soon as I wake up.
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