#instantbird log on 04 17 2014

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00:33:23 <clokep> I don't have a debug build so I probably can't push tonight. :-\
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03:26:42 <instant-buildbot> build #2114 of macosx-nightly-default is complete: Success [3build successful]  Build details are at http://buildbot.instantbird.org/builders/macosx-nightly-default/builds/2114
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03:49:11 <instant-buildbot> build #1334 of win32-nightly-default is complete: Success [3build successful]  Build details are at http://buildbot.instantbird.org/builders/win32-nightly-default/builds/1334
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05:23:39 <flo-retina> clokep: well, you don't have to figure out the fake.lib stuff to push SIPE, you could just uncomment it and land, and then figure it out later
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10:31:32 <clokep> flo-retina: Yep, I'm trying to check on the library thing we discussed yesterday. :)
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12:08:39 <instantbot> clokep@gmail.com changed the Resolution on bug 954410 from --- to FIXED.
12:08:42 <instantbot> Bug https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=954410 enh, --, 1.6, clokep, RESO FIXED, Support Microsoft Office Communicator protocol (SIPE)
12:09:01 <aleth> \o/
12:10:38 <clokep_work> Victory! :-D
12:10:48 <clokep_work> That's one of our longer bugs (in terms of comments) I think too.
12:11:58 <clokep_work> Ah, bug 953944 beats it though.
12:12:01 <instantbot> Bug https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=953944 enh, --, 1.2, clokep, RESO FIXED, Implement IRC in JavaScript
12:12:28 <aleth> Unsurprisingly.
12:17:26 <clokep_work> Yup! What to do now! Hmm...
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12:50:31 <flo-retina> clokep_work: bug 714733 was longer I think
12:50:35 <instantbot> Bug https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=714733 enh, --, Thunderbird 13.0, florian, RESO FIXED, Instant messaging in Thunderbird
12:51:45 <flo-retina> clokep_work: congrats on landing! :)
12:54:27 <clokep_work> flo-retina: Thanks for the reviews. :)
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13:00:51 <clokep_work> flo-retina: So is there a way to add if statements into .mozconfig files? I see some of our mozconfig files have them (e.g. for the Halloween branding?)
13:02:01 <flo-retina> strange question :-S (is it possible to do foo, I see we do it)
13:03:30 <clokep_work> flo-retina: I see we do it for a mozconfig file, not a .mozconfig file.
13:03:47 <flo-retina> that's the same thing
13:03:54 <flo-retina> just with a '.' in the name
13:03:56 <clokep_work> flo-retina: http://pastebin.instantbird.com/666559 throws crazy errors
13:04:07 <flo-retina> they are just shell scripts
13:04:39 <flo-retina> crazy errors = ?
13:06:02 <clokep_work> flo-retina: http://pastebin.instantbird.com/666580 Python errors! :P
13:08:42 <flo-retina> aleth: isn't that message inserted in the textbox going to flicker at shutdown?
13:10:45 <flo-retina> clokep_work: I can't explain why, but I think I would remove the quotes around `uname`
13:11:44 <aleth> flo-retina: Possibly (I didn't notice it)
13:12:23 <flo-retina> my gut feeling when looking at this patch is "no" but I can't really say why.
13:12:42 <flo-retina> maybe the potential of dataloss if there was something typed in the input box?
13:13:27 <clokep_work> flo-retina: That seemed to work. :-S
13:13:33 <clokep_work> Any way to explain that or just gut?
13:13:34 <flo-retina> maybe disabling the input box is enough
13:14:01 <aleth> flo-retina: Just disabling the input box would be OK I think.
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13:15:19 <aleth> If the concern is flicker, that doesn't really help much though.
13:16:04 <flo-retina> disabling on shutdown makes some reasonable amount of sense
13:16:16 <flo-retina> people may wonder why we don't do it when the account is disconnected though
13:19:55 <aleth> Because you can use commands to reconnect.
13:20:24 <aleth> People should in fact almost never encounter this new state.
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13:24:10 <flo-retina> aleth: I know, I always use /back :)
13:27:45 <flo-retina> aleth: alright, I think just disabling makes more sense
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13:28:14 <flo-retina> it's better than throwing that the translators and users a confusing string that we don't know how to word unconfusingly
13:28:44 <aleth> Great, avoids the string bikeshedding too.
13:29:19 <flo-retina> let's keep it simple :)
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13:40:20 <flo-retina> aleth: I r+'ed. I think we need a new summary for that bug though ;)
13:42:54 <aleth> flo-retina: better?
13:44:04 <flo-retina> have you verified that the edge case of the other bug actually causes the input box to be disabled?
13:44:24 <aleth> It causes ui-conversation-closed.
13:45:06 <flo-retina> ok
13:46:12 <flo-retina> looks like you all are getting your pending stuff all landed? :)
13:47:21 <aleth> :)
13:48:06 <clokep_work> I don't even know if I have any patches up anymore!
13:48:27 <clokep_work> Nah that's a total lie, I still have 3.
13:49:28 <flo-retina> you have 3 in my queue, but 2 aren't really yours
13:51:14 <clokep_work> Yup! :)
13:51:30 <clokep_work> And I have no interest in looking at the libpurple one again any time soon. :-[
13:52:57 <flo-retina> ah?
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13:53:09 * flo-retina was wondering if you wanted to clear that one next so that we can all forget it
13:53:46 <flo-retina> I would like to clear the account wizard thingy, but I'm not sure spending time reviewing there is actually useful until my previous comments on the import service are addressed
13:55:04 <clokep_work> flo-retina: I'd like to actually write some code instead of just mucking with makefiles.
13:55:19 <clokep_work> So I'd like to finish up one of my "older" patches most likely.
13:55:22 <flo-retina> isn't the libpurple update just mucking with a large diff?
13:55:29 <clokep_work> Hmm...possibly.
13:55:40 * flo-retina would also like to write ib code, but that seems foolish
13:55:41 <clokep_work> Assuming nothing else exciting has to be done, yes.
13:56:22 <flo-retina> I'm kinda assuming the libpurple thing is a matter of an hour with both of us looking at it at the same time
13:59:02 <flo-retina> or maybe it's really just a matter or me reviewing it :-S
13:59:33 <clokep_work> Possibly. :)
13:59:36 <clokep_work> Let me re-read the bug.
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14:00:06 <flo-retina> it seems to be straight forward, unless we want to check for previous hack we had for the stuff you've now added in glib
14:00:13 <clokep_work> flo-retina: "In particular, the ssl changes need to be looked over and compared to what was in IB and what was changed in upstream."
14:00:19 <clokep_work> I think that was my nervousness.
14:02:55 <flo-retina> the ssl stuff doesn't seem too worrying
14:03:32 <flo-retina> clokep_work: what I would really like to see is our old diff, and our new diff against upstream libpurple
14:03:38 <flo-retina> the update-libpurple.sh script can generate these
14:04:53 <clokep_work> Yeah, they're probably sitting on my drive somewhere. :P
14:14:53 <clokep_work> Well there's one of them...
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14:16:47 <clokep_work> flo-retina: After running the upgrade script is the extracted libpurple modified at all?
14:16:59 <flo-retina> I think so, yes
14:17:51 <clokep_work> Bleh.
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14:18:18 <flo-retina> why is that a problem?
14:21:15 <clokep_work> I'm trying to figure out how to get the second diff you want.
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14:22:39 <flo-retina> you need to fix run the script with DIFFCURRENTONLY=1
14:22:49 <flo-retina> then apply your patch, and do that again
14:23:35 <flo-retina> and then you have the result in files named diff-current-to-<version>.patch
14:23:48 <clokep_work> Ah, that's easy. :)
14:25:10 <flo-retina> too bad that command doesn't generate diffs with 8 lines of context :-/
14:25:57 <clokep_work> :(
14:26:08 <clokep_work> That upgrade script could use a little loving care too in general.
14:26:29 <flo-retina> the diff you attached shows that we worked around g_strcmp0 in 2 places
14:27:43 <flo-retina> unfortunately your diff is larger than expected
14:27:55 <flo-retina> looks like we had applied msn updates without updating the rest of libpurple :-/
14:29:37 <flo-retina> your second diff also contains plenty of changes in the msn prpl, I wonder where they are coming from :-S
14:30:27 <flo-retina> I guess hg log could help there :)
14:37:05 <clokep_work> flo-retina: At one point we didn't update the MSN prpl because it was causing memory issues?
14:38:07 <clokep_work> (Or something like that.)
14:38:38 <flo-retina> quite possible
14:38:45 <flo-retina> I can't remember the details
14:40:35 <clokep_work> Me neither.
14:42:41 <clokep_work> We could upgrade it and see how the crash reports look?
14:50:09 <flo-retina> I suspect they don't look at all because socorro is down and nobody cared to fix it :-/
14:51:48 <clokep_work> :(
14:59:56 <clokep_work> Do we know what's wrong w/ it?
15:00:08 * clokep_work assumes this needs your time or Even's. :(
15:00:17 * clokep_work feels like our infrastructure is slowly falling apart...
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15:03:44 <flo-retina> clokep_work: I also feel that :(
15:04:03 <flo-retina> it probably need both Even and me poking at it at the same time
15:10:35 <clokep_work> flo-retina: Apparently our onCommits are all failing?
15:10:50 <flo-retina> I thought they weren't running at all?
15:10:56 <flo-retina> we don't have a hock on comm-central
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15:12:46 <clokep_work> Oh, duh. :)
15:13:37 <flo-retina> which in itself is a problem ;)
15:18:04 <instantbot> aleth@instantbird.org changed the Resolution on bug 996545 from --- to FIXED.
15:18:06 <instantbot> Bug https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=996545 nor, --, 1.6, aleth, RESO FIXED, Disable the conversation inputbox when the ui-conv is closed
15:18:45 <instantbot> aleth@instantbird.org changed the Resolution on bug 954979 from --- to FIXED.
15:18:46 <instantbot> Bug https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=954979 nor, --, 1.6, aleth, RESO FIXED, Check for open conversations when adding a buddy
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15:22:33 <clokep_work> :)
15:26:15 <flo-retina> aleth++ :)
15:27:38 <clokep_work> I think that'll get rid of some of the weirder bugs to do w/ conversations and budies.
15:34:13 <clokep_work> Apparently as a bonus that was a blocker to a different bug.
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20:58:16 <Armada> I really like the tabbed conversation interface, makes you wonder why you need the contact list window at all
20:58:34 <Armada> but IIRC you already had plans to merge them?
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20:59:52 <clokep_work> There are not plans to merge them.
21:00:01 <clokep_work> On Mac you can close the contact list window.
21:00:24 <clokep_work> Personally I keep a bunch of conversations on hold there, so it's nice to see what has lots of unread messages. :)
21:00:33 <Armada> on windows you can minimize it to tray, which is the default closing behavior
21:01:21 <clokep_work> Is it? I hope not!
21:01:57 <clokep_work> Eh, that's gross. I must have lost a battle there.
21:02:22 <Armada> Not sure, I did touch the settings a moment ago
21:03:32 <Armada> clokep_work: yeah, the configuration editor indicates the minimize behaviour is set to default
21:03:33 <Mook_as> there's also the thunderbird view, which is the merged thing :)
21:03:37 <Armada> which is to close to tray
21:03:51 <clokep_work> Yeah, I Just checked the code.
21:04:05 <clokep_work> (https://mxr.mozilla.org/comm-central/source/im/app/profile/all-instantbird.js#53)
21:04:25 <Armada> clokep_work: I prefer the firefox behaviour, the application keeps running as long as there is at least one window open
21:05:04 <Armada> Mook_as: when you open a new tab in instantbird you already have a good looking contact list
21:05:08 <clokep_work> Armada: File a bug? I don't know why we don't do that, the contact list has special behavior in some way.
21:05:59 <Armada> that new tab interface could be the default contact list with an option to switch to an "overview" mode that looks more like the old contacts list
21:06:11 <Mook_as> Armada: right, the contact list in thunderbird basically acts as the tabs
21:06:23 <Mook_as> (it is, however, missing the new new tab UI)
21:07:01 <Armada> yeah, but that UI works for thunderbird, but for instantbird probably not so much
21:07:11 <Armada> I like how compact instantbird is compared to thunderbird
21:07:28 <Mook_as> yep, makes sense.
21:08:24 <Armada> but with merging them I mean you could essentially have the contact list be just another tab
21:08:41 <Armada> like you currently get when opening a new tab in a conversation window
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21:10:17 <Armada> and then you could have an option to show a more compact view and whether to open new chats in the same contact list window or in a new window
21:12:23 <Armada> now you have essentially two different contact lists, which increases maintenance and to me makes it feel a bit less intuitive
21:13:34 <clokep_work> They're very different things.
21:13:36 <clokep_work> One is search based.
21:13:45 <clokep_work> And one shows you based on who is online, organized by tags, etc.
21:14:09 <clokep_work> Having that type of contact list in the conversation window would not work well for me at all, personally.
21:14:25 <clokep_work> Mostly because of the size I keep my window at + because I like being able to glance at who's online.
21:14:26 <Armada> I don't see why the main contact list shouldn't have a search functionality
21:15:23 <clokep_work> I wish it had something, sure. But all the rows are smaller, etc.
21:15:31 <Armada> clokep_work: but you could still have that, by disabling the option to open new chats as tabs in the contact list
21:15:40 <Armada> that could just be a compact view mode
21:15:54 <clokep_work> Honestly what you're describing sounds like it'll be significantly more complex than what we have.
21:16:09 <clokep_work> Anyway, I must go.
21:16:48 <Armada> well, to reach my ideal workflow that only thing that needs to be done is to put less emphasis on the main contact list
21:17:04 <clokep_work> What's blocking your workflow?
21:17:15 <clokep_work> What's non-ideal about stuff.
21:17:53 <Armada> I understand the need for people to have the main contact list
21:18:15 <Armada> but I find it much more convenient to just have a single instantbird window
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21:18:36 <clokep_work> So set it to minimize on start and never use it?
21:18:45 <Armada> currently everytime I want that I need to start a conversation from the contactlist first
21:18:55 <Armada> and then minimize the main contact list to tray
21:19:32 <Armada> I wish it could just present me with a conversation window that has the "new chat tab" opened right away
21:19:47 <clokep_work> OK. Have you filed a bug?
21:20:03 <Armada> not yet, but I will
21:20:06 <clokep_work> (Btw most of us don't have that issue because we have IRC channels that we auto-join.)
21:20:12 <clokep_work> So we ALWAYS have a window that pops up.
21:21:58 <clokep_work> (So what I'm saying is that this is a useful different view.)
21:22:56 <Armada> That's what I was going for, but maybe I should've put less thought in the implementation and a better description of my use case
21:23:01 <Armada> I will do that for the ticket
21:23:20 <Armada> *provide a better description
21:23:27 <clokep_work> It's usually best to phrase things, at least initially, as what the problem you're having is.
21:23:33 <clokep_work> Rather that what you expect to see as a solution.
21:23:35 <clokep_work> In my mind, at least. :)
21:23:59 <Armada> definitely, but you know, as a developer I can hardly resist :P
21:24:09 <Armada> all I see is solutions
21:28:23 <clokep_work> I suppose that's the fun part.
21:28:25 <clokep_work> Anyway, I'm out.
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21:31:50 <flo-retina> by the way, adding search or filter to the contacts window is a good small project to train new contributors :)
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21:47:44 <arlolra> flo-retina: you around to discuss the txt transform api?
21:49:43 <flo-retina> I'm around, but was hoping to go to bed in less than half an hour
21:50:25 <arlolra> ah, ok. I'll put my sketches on the ticket and request feedback
21:50:29 <arlolra> have a good sleep
21:50:48 <flo-retina> thanks!
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23:31:50 <clokep> Apparently my m-c is insanely out of date, fun.
23:32:03 <clokep> (I don't think I've updated it since I started on the SIPE stuff again.)
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