#instantbird log on 04 12 2014

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03:25:37 <instant-buildbot> build #2109 of macosx-nightly-default is complete: Success [3build successful]  Build details are at http://buildbot.instantbird.org/builders/macosx-nightly-default/builds/2109
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03:50:26 <instant-buildbot> build #1328 of win32-nightly-default is complete: Success [3build successful]  Build details are at http://buildbot.instantbird.org/builders/win32-nightly-default/builds/1328
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07:52:06 <flo-retina> clokep: you are too hard on yourself. s/stupid/distracted/ would work better I think ;).
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13:05:59 <aleth> Two new message styles: https://addons.instantbird.org/en-US/instantbird/addon/365 and https://addons.instantbird.org/en-US/instantbird/addon/367/
13:10:57 <clokep> aleth: "for this *too* look its best"
13:11:05 <clokep> In both.
13:11:07 <clokep> Typo. :)
13:11:09 <aleth> argh, typos...
13:11:21 <aleth> Copypasted ones at that.
13:11:36 * clokep wonders if aleth has ever seen http://ethanschoonover.com/solarized
13:12:48 <aleth> Yes (though it's not related)
13:13:01 <aleth> Hmm, good point, I should probably change the name.
13:13:35 <clokep> I know it's not reltaed.
13:13:46 <clokep> My idle thought was wondering how a theme woul dlook w/ those colors. :)
13:14:10 <aleth> Some part of my subconscious must have thrown up 'solar*' when trying to come up with a dark theme name though ;)
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13:15:06 <nhnt11> aleth: I really like modernist, thanks!
13:15:27 <aleth> clokep: For using that color scheme you'd have to come up with a way to map nicks to the various entries. Might not be easy...
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13:24:40 <nhnt11> aleth: So for really short messages, hovering over the message to reveal the timestamp causes the message to expand
13:24:51 <nhnt11> I kinda find that distracting
13:25:04 <aleth> Yes. I'm not sure how one would fix that though.
13:25:15 <nhnt11> maybe set a mimimum size?
13:25:21 <nhnt11> calculating that size wouldn't be trivial though..
13:25:32 <aleth> The minimum size would depend on the nick length etc.
13:25:38 <nhnt11> yeah. and the font size
13:25:42 <aleth> CSS isn't /that/ good at math...
13:26:16 <aleth> I already had to use CSS moz-calc.
13:26:41 <nhnt11> hmm
13:26:42 <aleth> At least the messages have to be /very/ short for it to happen.
13:26:58 <aleth> Like "hmm" ;)
13:35:47 <nhnt11> aleth: How hard would it be to add little arrows like this: http://puu.sh/85Gd3.png? :P
13:36:22 <nhnt11> The editing is a bit rough but you get the idea...
13:37:27 <aleth> Easy if you make lots of bitmaps (like Bubbles), harder with SVG. But I'm not going to be the one making the bitmaps ;)
13:38:02 <aleth> Part of the idea of that message style was to see what would happen if one just dropped them though.
13:38:23 * nhnt11 really likes how it looks with the arrow
13:38:39 <nhnt11> maybe enough to make the bitmaps/svg for you ;)
13:38:41 <aleth> Well, if you want to make the bitmaps... ;)
13:39:21 <nhnt11> Oh wow.
13:39:28 <nhnt11> Bubbles uses a different bitmap for every possible colour?
13:39:30 <nhnt11> :S
13:39:37 <aleth> What would also be nice is a variant with user icons.
13:39:48 <aleth> Haha yes. That's the problem.
13:40:10 * nhnt11 thinks modernist with the arrows should be the default message style
13:40:12 <nhnt11> but that's just me
13:41:34 <aleth> Its main drawback is it doesn't look good if you full-screen the conversation window.
13:41:57 <nhnt11> Ah, because of the autofit
13:42:13 <aleth> You get a huge gap in the middle.
13:42:25 <aleth> But then full-screen isn't well supported atm anyway.
13:43:44 <nhnt11> aleth: I think there should be a couple more pixels before/after a message splitter line
13:43:50 <nhnt11> (not sure what it's called exactly
13:43:50 <nhnt11> )
13:44:03 <aleth> You mean the hr inside a bubble?
13:44:05 <nhnt11> yeah
13:44:31 <aleth> I'm tempted to just drop it like in Solaris actually
13:44:39 <nhnt11> a one line message sandwiched between two others looks a bit cramped
13:44:40 <nhnt11> hmm
13:45:18 <aleth> i.e. just use whitespace
13:45:33 * nhnt11 is still somewhat inspired to make bitmaps for the arrows in spite of the number of images required.
13:46:18 <aleth> I couldn't be bothered to keep all the variants from Bubbles anyway, so it wouldn't be too bad unless you wanted to add more.
13:46:41 <nhnt11> aleth: Wouldn't we still need all the colors for MUCs where every nick has a different color?
13:47:07 <aleth> Yeah... that could be tricky.
13:47:46 <aleth> Personally I don't miss the arrows so...
13:47:51 * nhnt11 wonders why there isn't a "base" image that gets hue shifted from code or something.
13:48:02 <nhnt11> (or maybe there is something like that and I'm ignorant)
13:48:35 <nhnt11> I could live without them too, but somehow I feel like it would be "complete" with them. Idk.
13:49:39 <nhnt11> bbl
13:50:40 <aleth> It was probably done with different files for performance reasons.
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14:37:55 <flo-retina> aleth: it was with different files because we couldn't figure out another way to do it
14:38:04 <flo-retina> that doesn't mean one doesn't exist of course :)
14:38:21 <flo-retina> also, keep in mind Bubble was targeted at the gecko that was current back in 2009 ;)
14:38:25 <aleth> Maybe nhnt11 will invent one ;)
14:38:54 <flo-retina> aleth: about sizing for the timestamp. Maybe using visibility: hidden instead of display: none would help you
14:40:35 <aleth> Maybe... I'll try it and see.
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15:07:29 <Mic> nhnt11, aleth: use a div wit the correct background color and border color, rotate it by 45deg and move it to the right place to create a kind of arrow like you have on your screenshot, nhnt11?
15:07:43 <Mic> No SVG needed then.
15:08:20 <Mic> You might be able to rotate it in 3D create a pointier version of it if you don't like 45 degree sides on your arrow.
15:08:21 <aleth> Haha, that might actually work.
15:09:23 <Mic> Anyways, I need to go. First BBQ of the year. Yay! :)
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19:08:55 <nhnt11> Mic: That's an interesting idea :D
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20:23:14 <stux> hi all, question: I'm connected to an xmpp server which should have public chat channels on it, how do I get a list of servers via instantbird? (using 1.4 i had to build manually on ubuntu 10.04 LTS)
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