#instantbird log on 03 25 2014

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01:45:50 <clokep> Pro-tip: Don't leave enable-extension=purple in your mozconfig when compiling TB. :(
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03:45:26 <instant-buildbot> build #2091 of macosx-nightly-default is complete: Failure [4failed compile]  Build details are at http://buildbot.instantbird.org/builders/macosx-nightly-default/builds/2091
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10:19:24 <aleth> flo-retina: Yup, the _originalMsg stuff would only be a problem if we were modifying it from a message style, which we aren't (and shouldn't)
10:22:43 <clokep> Finally built TB...
10:23:18 <aleth> Has it been broken?
10:23:41 <aleth> Or just your mozconfig? ;)
10:23:52 <clokep> aleth: Just my mozconfig + Windows.
10:24:09 <clokep> flo-retina: Did you want to see a screenshot of chat on Windows 8 with that patch or you trust me that it looks OK?
10:24:56 <clokep> Pretty much it looks bluer. :P
10:25:03 * aleth wonders why you would still use /list these days
10:25:18 <aleth> Not that it isn't nice to make it better :)
10:29:34 <instantbot> New Chat Core - IRC bug 987577 filed by aleth@instantbird.org.
10:29:35 <instantbot> Bug https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=987577 enh, --, ---, aleth, ASSI, Improve the way whois idleTime is displayed
10:34:13 <flo-retina> clokep: it wouldn't hurt to have a screenshot attached in the bug
10:34:16 <flo-retina> clokep: but I trust you.
10:34:36 <flo-retina> clokep: and I'm confident it can only look ugly on Windows. So it's more a matter of not being uglier than what's around :-P
10:35:21 <flo-retina> (the screenshot in the bug is more for future reference, if someone later complains that it looks ugly, so that we can ask that user if it looks different than on the screenshot for him)
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10:37:00 <clokep> flo-retina: https://bug984978.bugzilla.mozilla.org/attachment.cgi?id=8396272
10:37:03 <instantbot> Bug https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=984978 nor, --, ---, richard.marti, ASSI, Adjust TB's theme for Windows 8 and up
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10:44:34 <clokep> aleth: flo-retina; So what's the idea behind bug 987577?
10:44:36 <instantbot> Bug https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=987577 enh, --, ---, aleth, ASSI, Improve the way whois idleTime is displayed
10:44:41 <clokep> What's wrong w/ "Idle for"?
10:45:51 <aleth> Nothing wrong, just "last activity" seems clearer. ymmv
10:46:26 <aleth> If you disagree, I can take it out again, it's not exactly super important.
10:47:09 <clokep> Ah, you added "ago"...
10:47:14 <clokep> Which makes it better.
10:47:43 <aleth> The idea is that "idle" as a status is different "idle for 10 seconds" and so there is a small potential for confusion
10:52:48 <clokep> Fair enough.
10:52:59 <clokep> I would just like it if all this stuff worked for people not on my buddy list. :-\
10:53:07 <aleth> It does!
10:53:12 <clokep> No.
10:53:16 <clokep> I mean the real status.
10:53:18 <aleth> Yes it does.
10:53:19 <clokep> Not the who is information.
10:53:28 <aleth> Ah. Fix it? :D
10:53:37 <clokep> Yeah, it's on my todo list.
10:53:49 <clokep> But I have a billion patches in my queue and I'm trying to get rid of some of them first.
10:53:51 <clokep> And it's not fun. :(
10:53:54 <aleth> Me too.
10:53:59 <aleth> And it's not easy.
10:55:28 <aleth> clokep: I don't think the string constant needs to change as it's only a change in the English string.
10:55:40 <clokep> Yeah, I really need input from Florian about how to modify things..
10:56:09 <clokep> aleth: Why would it be only for the English string? That's assuming localizers wouldn't have chosen a different string based on what English string we put, I doubt that's valid.
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10:57:05 <aleth> clokep: If localisers see the "ago" is added and that that frees them up to improve the idleTime string for their language too, isn't that enough?
11:01:24 <aleth> I guess it's better to just change it to be on the safe side.
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11:48:16 <clokep_work> aleth: I defer to flo-retina.
11:48:48 <flo-retina> does that mean I'll need to read all the thread? :-D
11:49:03 <aleth> Don't bother, I've already made the change.
11:54:11 <clokep_work> flo-retina: It was simply whether idleTime needs to be changed in the properties file or not.
11:54:40 <flo-retina> yes, that was needed
11:55:21 <flo-retina> clokep_work: how broken is Tb with --enable-extensions=purple?
11:55:36 <flo-retina> thanks for the screenshot
11:55:37 <clokep_work> flo-retina: It doesn't pass configure.
11:55:54 <flo-retina> ah, that's bad :-/
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12:21:14 <aleth> I guess after ccrework TB test failures might not block IB commits anymore
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12:43:26 <clokep_work> aleth: RyanVM has been doing them anyway, I think.
12:43:36 <clokep_work> flo-retina: Yes, it is... :-\
12:54:52 <clokep_work> aleth: Does the name in the list of whois information have to exactly match what's in the properties file? :(
12:55:01 <aleth> clokep_work: Yes
12:55:06 <clokep_work> That sucks.
12:55:10 <clokep_work> I Don't like changing that variable name.
12:55:23 <aleth> neither did I ;)
13:00:19 <clokep_work> aleth: You can always argue back against changes I suggest btw. :P
13:00:49 <aleth> I did, I thought we could get away with it because it was only a change in the English string ;)
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13:01:24 <clokep_work> You didn't with the other aspect of that.
13:01:53 <aleth> You're right I should have mentioned /why/ I didn't want to change the name.
13:02:13 <aleth> Sorry.
13:03:21 <clokep_work> It's OK. I still think we should, I just like it a lot less now! :P
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13:06:18 <flo-retina> aleth: is the "Last Activity" message displayed unconditionally, or only when we haven't marked the nick as idle?
13:06:43 <aleth> It's always displayed.
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13:27:55 <clokep_work> flo-retina: Does that concern you?
13:28:05 <clokep_work> It should be fairly easily to make only if we consider them "idle".
13:29:13 <flo-retina> I was wondering if we should display the idle time as a status message when the user is idle
13:29:23 <flo-retina> but maybe not if there's also an away message
13:30:26 <clokep_work> That sounds confusing.
13:30:42 <flo-retina> I was _wondering_. Not requesting any change ;)
13:30:46 <clokep_work> Yup.
13:31:04 <clokep_work> Although it makes me wonder if there'd be any use to showing the idle time in a particular spot in the UI (not really related to this bug btw)
13:31:09 <clokep_work> Instead of just a random line in the tooltips.
13:33:01 <aleth> I don't think it's actually used very often, so it's OK to only show it on demand.
13:33:46 <aleth> With a different protocol, you could have activity sparklines next to the nicks of course :)
13:35:47 <clokep_work> aleth: I do use it to see if people are available or not if I haev a question...
13:35:57 <clokep_work> (I.e. "Am I likely to get an answer or has he gone to walk the dog?")
13:36:27 <aleth> Yes, but would it be helpful or just noise to constantly show that info somewhere for /all/ people?
13:37:10 <aleth> Or do you mean something more subtle?
13:40:31 <clokep_work> If we showed it whenever it's over 5 minutes or something that's OK w/ me personally.
13:40:37 <clokep_work> I'd expect someoene to get annoyed.
13:46:11 <aleth> We could put the timespan in the status message for the IDLE status if that would help
13:46:35 <aleth> (which is what flo suggested)
13:46:55 <aleth> But that's just duplication so I don't think it adds much.
13:52:10 <clokep_work> Bah /chanserv doesn't just open a chanserv conversation. :(
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14:02:45 <flo-retina> I have no idea of what the /umode command does
14:03:07 <clokep_work> Sets your usermode.
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14:03:21 <clokep_work> Which is the same as /mode <foo>
14:03:23 <clokep_work> But does less.
14:03:56 <flo-retina> ah, it sets _my_ mode?
14:04:02 <flo-retina> why would I do that?
14:05:29 <clokep_work> There are different modes you can set, like invisible, etc.
14:10:23 <aleth> flo-retina: IRC has ways to break all its features ;)
14:10:26 <aleth> (only half kidding)
14:14:23 <clokep_work> :'(
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16:32:56 <aleth> clokep_work: If I have two IRC accounts on the same server, and a buddy created with account 1, should that buddy show up as online etc when only account 2 is connected? (Talking expected behaviour here)
16:33:58 <flo-retina> no
16:34:54 <aleth> We have a real mess around that.
16:35:26 <aleth> Because in that case it has to be possible to create a second buddy for the same nick on account 2, and that won't work.
16:36:02 <flo-retina> why would that not work?
16:36:41 <aleth> Hmm, maybe the issue was for the same nick on different servers.
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16:46:06 <clokep_work> aleth: That's a known bug.
16:46:37 <clokep_work> All IRC buddies are messed up right now.
16:46:48 <flo-retina> poor buddies :(
16:46:58 <clokep_work> We need to change them from being clokep to clokep@<network name>
16:47:06 <clokep_work> And that should make it behave like, i.e. OSCAR.
16:47:18 <clokep_work> If you have the same buddy with multiple accounts on moznet they'll only show up as a single one.
16:47:19 <flo-retina> do we have a convincing way to determine the network name for IRC?
16:47:26 <clokep_work> What/
16:47:32 <clokep_work> We already have that...?
16:47:35 <clokep_work> I'm not sure what you'rea sking.
16:47:50 * clokep_work wonders what people would think of forwarding lxr to mxr. :-\
16:48:01 <aleth> clokep_work: That makes sense
16:48:02 <flo-retina> when you said "network name" I thought you wanted to replace irc.mozilla.org/concrete.mozilla.org/... with "moznet"
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16:48:13 <clokep_work> flo-retina: http://lxr.instantbird.org/instantbird/source/chat/protocols/irc/irc.js#801
16:48:14 <flo-retina> clokep_work: lxr tends to be faster
16:48:17 <clokep_work> No.
16:48:18 <aleth> clokep_work: Bad idea as mxr won't search libpurple yet
16:48:24 <flo-retina> maybe because it's hosted in France :-P
16:48:48 <clokep_work> I only want lxr.instantbird.org/instantbird to fwd to mxr.mozilla.org/comm-central/ ;)
16:48:51 <clokep_work> Not the other bits.
16:49:14 <clokep_work> flo-retina: Can we made pull c-c + purple and index that on lxr then?
16:49:21 <clokep_work> I feel like I'm sometimes looking at outta date code.
16:49:41 <flo-retina> what about making our lxr index an hg-convert'ed subset of comm-central (im/ chat/ mail/components/im + mozilla/extensions/purple) ?
16:50:32 <flo-retina> I didn't really bother because I expected cc-rework to happen soon
16:51:57 <clokep_work> Yaeh we can not care until after cc-rework.
16:52:05 <clokep_work> flo-retina: OK so, I don't mean the "real" network name, I mean the server.
16:52:18 <clokep_work> Of course if you set up one account to connect to gravel and one to concrete that'll be weird. :-\
16:52:23 <flo-retina> clokep_work: well, only if cc-rework actually happens
16:52:36 <flo-retina> I still remember it being targeted at "end of january"
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16:52:48 <aleth> clokep_work: If a user does that intentionally then it's their choice.
16:53:40 <flo-retina> clokep_work: that will be even worse if we ever allow renaming accounts, and the user changes the server name ;)
16:54:12 <clokep_work> Yes. :P Good thign you can't do that now.
16:54:19 <clokep_work> We could map things to a network name, but that sounds dirty.
16:54:25 <clokep_work> And we need a list / set of expressions for networks.
16:55:40 <flo-retina> isn't this something chatzilla knows?
16:55:44 <flo-retina> (a list of networks)
16:56:34 <clokep_work> It has that, yes.
16:57:58 <aleth> Stripping things down to *.mozilla.org, *.freenode etc would not be enough?
16:58:45 <clokep_work> It could be.
16:58:48 <flo-retina> could we strip it to mozilla and freenode?
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16:59:01 <flo-retina> ie keep only the eTLD
16:59:01 <clokep_work> aleth: Will likely break for bouncers. ;)
16:59:08 <clokep_work> You end up with localhost for all of them.
16:59:08 <aleth> gah, bouncers
16:59:17 <clokep_work> (Or whatever you're bouncing off of...)
16:59:21 <flo-retina> aren't bouncers broken by default?
17:01:53 <Mook_as> hidden account prefs for override?
17:02:15 <Mook_as> so you'd need to set it up special with little documentation if you want to play with bouncers :p
17:02:37 <aleth> Get someone to write a bouncer addon ;)
17:03:17 <flo-retina> I still think we should get a ZNC prpl for bouncers
17:03:30 <flo-retina> and then special case there whatever needs to be done specifically for it
17:04:13 <clokep_work> Do we not care about other bouncers?
17:04:22 <clokep_work> I honestly don't ever remember that being suggested before. :-S
17:04:34 <clokep_work> I'm unsure what I think of it.
17:04:46 <flo-retina> clokep_work: you'll likely think it's going to be a PITA
17:04:54 <flo-retina> ;)
17:05:06 <clokep_work> That is likely. :P
17:05:24 <clokep_work> I guess...is there that much different we're concerned about? As of right now I know of like 2 or 3 hacks and that's it.
17:09:12 <flo-retina> the problem is mostly about the different configuration options (eg. caring about the username, the server PASS command, ...)
17:12:37 <clokep_work> Hmm..maybe.
17:13:25 * flo-retina doesn't strongly care
17:14:19 * aleth thinks someone with a bouncer should care.
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17:15:36 <clokep_work> aleth: I kind of agree with that, yes.
17:16:00 <aleth> It's also the only way to end up with something properly tested and polished.
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17:19:41 * clokep_work really wants that SIPE stuff over with. :(
17:24:01 <clokep_work> (I have errors about symbols not being found right now.)
17:24:04 <clokep_work> And no motivation to debug them.
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17:35:37 <flo-retina> clokep_work: and no motivation to pastebin?
17:39:45 <clokep_work> I'm not looking at it right this minute, was just closing tabs and saw it. :(
17:42:53 <clokep_work> flo-retina: http://pastebin.instantbird.com/644958
17:42:59 <clokep_work> The patches aren't the ones in the bug, it's the ones in my mq...
17:43:51 <clokep_work> But most liekly https://bitbucket.org/clokep/purple-patches/src/tip/sipe-aux?at=default is the interesting one.
17:47:01 <flo-retina> have you updated SIPE recently or something?
17:47:08 <clokep_work> No.
17:47:09 <clokep_work> Why?
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17:47:53 <flo-retina> because I thought you had already resolved all the missing glib symbols before
17:48:08 <flo-retina> is gtestutils.c a file we even need?
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17:48:38 <clokep_work> I thought I did too. :-S
17:48:53 <clokep_work> Although I was on Windows before, So maybe that matters?
17:49:00 <flo-retina> maybe
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17:51:54 <flo-retina> if you have a _real_ dependency on these symbols you are in trouble
17:52:03 <flo-retina> because they very likely depend on the glib event loop, which we don't run
17:52:05 <flo-retina> (except on linux)
17:52:28 <flo-retina> but I highly doubt you need something called "g_test_run_suite_internal" :)
18:00:18 <clokep_work> Yeah.
18:00:23 <clokep_work> Idk what happened...
18:00:36 <clokep_work> I should try disabling the kerberos stuff and see if it works magically.
18:03:59 <flo-retina> I would remove the gtestutils.c file from the glib moz.build file
18:04:04 <flo-retina> and see which symbols are missing
18:04:10 <flo-retina> then add only these symbols
18:12:30 <clokep_work> Hmm....
18:12:36 <clokep_work> There's weird files that I don't know why I added them. :-S
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19:04:31 <clokep_work> flo-retina: All I have now is 13:22.94 Undefined symbols for architecture x86_64:
19:04:32 <clokep_work> 13:22.94   "_purple_init_sipe_plugin", referenced from:
19:04:32 <clokep_work> 13:22.94       _static_proto_init in static_proto_init.o
19:04:42 <clokep_work> It seems like none of the sipe sources are included?
19:08:02 <clokep_work> Ah! I'm missing the include line...
19:09:30 <clokep_work> !!! Now I got krb5 errors, so that's progress.
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