#instantbird log on 03 10 2014

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00:03:11 <Mic> I wonder if he's trying to use the user name URL as user name...
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02:24:44 <clokep> Mic: Yes, but most people don't do that. :)
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03:26:22 <instant-buildbot> build #2076 of macosx-nightly-default is complete: Failure [4failed compile]  Build details are at http://buildbot.instantbird.org/builders/macosx-nightly-default/builds/2076
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04:28:38 <instant-buildbot> build #1292 of win32-nightly-default is complete: Failure [4failed compile]  Build details are at http://buildbot.instantbird.org/builders/win32-nightly-default/builds/1292
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09:14:06 * nhnt12 is wondering whether to just copy stuff over from last year's proposal wherever it's still relevant
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09:14:22 <nhnt11> Mic: I think you'll see your double completion bug again...
09:15:44 <Mic> Yes, I do.
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09:17:42 <Mic> nhnt12: now it's suggesting nhnt11 and nhnt12. Is that normal?
09:18:03 <nhnt12> I'm not sure
09:18:09 <nhnt12> i was trying to switch my nick from nhnt12
09:18:16 <nhnt12> But i'm seeing "Could not use the specified nickname. Your nick remains nhnt12."
09:18:33 <Mic> I think it doesn't usally suggest offline contacts.
09:18:48 <nhnt12> Mic: nhnt11 is not offline
09:18:52 <nhnt12> just not in the channel
09:18:55 <nhnt12> if that makes a difference
09:18:55 <nhnt12> oh
09:19:00 <nhnt12> that's why I couldn't swtich
09:19:01 <nhnt12> duh
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09:19:16 <Mic> That's interesting.
09:19:20 <nhnt11> Mic: Double completion again?
09:19:30 <flo-retina> nhnt11: what stuff would you copy from last year?
09:19:32 <Mic> nhnt11: yes, exactly.
09:19:55 <nhnt11> flo-retina: parts from "Why Me" and "Why Mozilla" for example
09:20:19 <flo-retina> Mic: tab completion suggests offline nicks. I know it confused dmose.
09:20:23 <nhnt11> And my open source development experience pre-gsoc13 can probably stay too...
09:20:39 <flo-retina> nhnt11: ok.
09:21:14 <flo-retina> nhnt11: btw, these parts are mostly irrelevant for you this year.
09:21:50 <nhnt11> Right, you know me already ;)
09:21:59 <flo-retina> nhnt11: typically in a GSoC application, the student needs to demonstrate that 1. He has thought through the project he's proposing and the project is a good fit for GSoC. 2. He's a good student to complete the project.
09:22:12 <flo-retina> nhnt11: I think this year you mostly need to demonstrate 1.
09:22:45 <nhnt11> Yeah..
09:22:46 <flo-retina> so yeah, feel free to copy these parts from last year, but don't be too offended if nobody reads them ;)
09:22:58 <nhnt11> I don't expect anyone to read them, that's why I want to copy paste :P
09:23:12 <flo-retina> heh :)
09:24:17 * flo-retina often skips the parts where the students says "I took courses foo and bar, and got the <some random sequence of numbers and letters that are expected to mean "awesome"> grade"
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09:24:51 * nhnt11 doesn't have any such "awesome" grades anyway :(
09:24:59 <flo-retina> that kind of info is only meaningful if the reader knows the grading system of the student's country, and often knows the student's university specifically
09:25:41 <flo-retina> nhnt11: well, my point is; if the random sequence of characters meant "passable" instead of "awesome", I would have no way to make a difference between the two :-D
09:25:49 <nhnt11> :D
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09:28:47 <nhnt11> Mic, flo-retina: By the way, something I want to avoid in my proposal is allotting fixed amounts of time to different tasks. I want to instead write the schedule of deliverables in terms of milestones (and a fewer number of them)
09:29:07 <nhnt11> The schedule in my proposal last year barely got followed honestly...
09:29:38 <nhnt11> (it was the same stuff, just not in the order I predicted..)
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10:36:55 <clokep> flo-retina: Thanks for fixing that.
10:43:53 <clokep> aleth_web: Btw did you see https://bitbucket.org/clokep/irc-docs/ in the logs?
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10:46:14 <aleth_web> clokep: No, I missed that. thanks! :)
10:46:34 <aleth_web> Nicely organised too.
10:47:09 <clokep> It was my old mq patches.
10:47:12 <clokep> Just put into an actual repo.
10:47:20 <clokep> There's local copies of all those files btw.
10:47:50 <flo-retina> should that be somehow on our wiki? or wiki.mozilla.org? or mdn?
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10:49:32 <clokep> I was planning at some point to make an "IRC stuff we support" wiki page.
10:49:34 <aleth_web> nhnt11: "(it was the same stuff, just not in the order I predicted..)" that's probably predictable ;)
10:49:38 <clokep> We could link to it on there.
10:49:46 <clokep> I haven't gotten around to doing it obviously. :)
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10:51:09 <clokep> plus nhnt11 had the whole "Oh and btw you can't actually make other types of tabs yet..." ;)
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10:52:41 <aleth_web> mayanktg: As it's "summer of *code*" not summer of UI I would recommend spending most of your application prep time on the technical issues rather than the UI mockup (which will be discussed here in detail anyway).
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11:45:32 <aleth_web> flo-retina: Could you take a quick look at bug 976579? It would be good to land that so there is a week or so to catch any (very unlikely) regressions
11:45:39 <instantbot> Bug https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=976579 nor, --, ---, aleth, ASSI, Port bug 955182 (replace mutation events with mutation observers in chat conversations) to TB
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11:53:59 <flo-retina> aleth_web: r+
11:55:34 <aleth_web> flo-retina: thanks!
12:01:27 <flo-retina> np
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12:12:56 <clokep_work> flo-retina: Did you see https://tbpl.mozilla.org/?tree=Thunderbird-Try&rev=cbaa127dce33?
12:13:32 <flo-retina> clokep_work: yes, it's a successful failure! \o/
12:13:57 <flo-retina> clokep_work: we can move it off the Chat product IMHO :)
12:14:49 <aleth_web> clokep_work: Excellent idea to just disable that test and see what happens :)
12:15:06 <flo-retina> aleth_web: thanks ;)
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12:21:20 <clokep_work> flo-retina: Sure, you want to go ahead and do that? ;)
12:41:56 <instantbot> ryanvm@gmail.com changed the Resolution on bug 978753 from --- to FIXED.
12:41:58 <instantbot> Bug https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=978753 nor, --, ---, clokep, RESO FIXED, Tests for purple/ are not running when |make xpcshell-tests|
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17:09:32 <flo-retina> clokep_work: done!
17:09:37 <qheaden> Hello everyone!
17:09:42 * qheaden is finally on Spring Break
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17:11:08 <flo-retina> qheaden: cool! :)
17:11:26 * flo-retina didn't know Spring break started in winter.
17:11:34 <qheaden> Unfortunately, I still have to work over the break. :(
17:11:43 <qheaden> But I can still do IB development at work.
17:11:55 * qheaden needs to really get Ib compiled on his work machine
17:15:20 <clokep_work> flo-retina: Done w/ what?!
17:15:40 <clokep_work> qheaden: You mean like moving #chatdev to YMSG?
17:15:45 <flo-retina> 13:13:57 - flo-retina: clokep_work: we can move it off the Chat product IMHO :)
17:15:45 <flo-retina> [...]
17:15:45 <flo-retina> 13:21:21 - clokep_work: flo-retina: Sure, you want to go ahead and do that? ;)
17:16:03 <clokep_work> Thanks. :)
17:16:17 <qheaden> clokep_work: Yep.
17:16:45 <qheaden> I keep having compile issues on my work machine though. I guess because I'm trying to compile with Visual C++ 2010 instead of full Visual Studio.
17:16:46 * instantbot frowns at qheaden
17:16:52 <qheaden> :P
17:16:59 <qheaden> instantbot: I missed you
17:17:02 <instantbot> qheaden: Sorry, I've no idea what 'I missed you' might be.
17:17:03 <instantbot> qheaden: I missed you, too.
17:18:32 <Mook_as> Do mean VC2010 express? Because there was a full VC2010 too :p
17:18:49 <qheaden> Yeah, express.
17:18:49 <Mook_as> Ahem. "Do you". I should... probably attempt to wake up.
17:19:01 <qheaden> I have full VS 2010 on my home machine.
17:19:15 <qheaden> I was able to compile on that. I'll try again on my work machine.
17:20:07 <aleth_web> qheaden: https://developer.mozilla.org/en-US/docs/Developer_Guide/Build_Instructions#Build_prerequisites is no help?
17:20:10 <clokep_work> qheaden: I've never used a "full" VS, I've only ever used the free versions FYI.
17:20:40 <qheaden> aleth_web: Yeah, I followed that. I forgot the build errors I was getting. I'm going to rebuild and see what happens.
17:21:02 <clokep_work> flo-retina, Even: What was the status of getting a CentOS machine btw?
17:21:12 <clokep_work> (I also see a linux64 on buildbot. :))
17:21:15 <flo-retina> the status is PITA
17:21:18 <Mook_as> \o/ packages for debian and ubuntu built. They're kinda crappy and not multiarch-compatible, but still...
17:22:24 <flo-retina> Mook_as: where?
17:22:44 <Mook_as> flo-retina: oh, sorry, that's my thing. https://build.opensuse.org/package/show/home:mookmoz/instantbird
17:23:46 <Mook_as> I need to go turn on downloads when I get home, I think
17:24:15 <qheaden> How's GSoC going?
17:24:23 <qheaden> Lots of interest?
17:24:23 <flo-retina> qheaden: starting!
17:24:48 <qheaden> Awesome.
17:24:55 <flo-retina> well, a reasonable amount of interest
17:25:02 <flo-retina> (your question is a bit vague ;))
17:25:13 <qheaden> :)
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17:57:57 <mayanktg> aleth: yes :-/
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18:11:43 <flo-retina> bah, bugzilla's dead
18:11:51 <Mook_as> Can't attach files?
18:12:08 <flo-retina> Mook_as: can't load anything
18:12:20 <flo-retina> can't attach file is just how it started :)
18:12:30 <Mook_as> Ah, okay. At least it seems to be known
18:13:16 <flo-retina> the last comment in the attachment bug said "I've started the alter table statement to expand it into an unsigned bigint (the largest integer data type currently available). Unfortunately, we're at the mercy of the system until it completes and no new attachments will be able to be added."
18:13:20 <qheaden> Yay, the compile worked. :)
18:13:34 <qheaden> Maybe I just had a bad source tree before.
18:13:41 <flo-retina> I would assume that altering the database can cause issues with other people attempting to access it at the same time ;)
18:13:42 <clokep_work> Umm..gmail is done for me too.
18:13:43 <clokep_work> Uh oh
18:14:04 <flo-retina> clokep_work: no bugzilla+no gmail = no work done ;)
18:14:11 <clokep_work> It's back. :-D
18:14:18 <flo-retina> (gmail isn't broken for me though)
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19:07:44 <flo-retina> ah, gsoc application period is now open :)
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19:11:54 <clokep_work> :)
19:13:10 <flo-retina> dev_peace: if you wanted to ask Mic questions about GSoC ideas where he's listed as the mentor, you can generally ask here and someone else will likely be able to answer
19:14:07 * clokep_work volunteers for a few minutes.
19:15:06 <dev_peace> I found the project "WebRTC support" for InstantBird suitable to my skillset
19:15:47 <dev_peace> I am fimiliar with Javascript
19:17:24 <dev_peace> If provided resources I can get familiar with XPCOM and XUL too
19:17:53 <clokep_work> dev_peace: developer.mozilla.org has a lot of resources for XPCOM and XUL.
19:18:09 <dev_peace> previusly I have worked on a small WebRTC project for Wikimedia FOundation
19:19:37 <clokep_work> dev_peace: OK, so...are you familiar with what we want to do with it in Instantbird?
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19:21:18 <dev_peace> clokep_work: To add audio/video chat support and also provide a neat interface for the video chat( My interpretation )
19:22:47 * clokep_work pokes Mic
19:22:53 * clokep_work tags Mic
19:22:55 <clokep_work> You're in!
19:23:53 <dev_peace> Thanks clokep_work !
19:24:47 <Mic> Hello!
19:25:02 <dev_peace> Hello Mic! 
19:25:25 <dev_peace> Mic should I introduce myself first ?
19:26:06 <Mic> If you like :)
19:27:28 <dev_peace> Mic :I am Rahul Maliakkal a 4th year undergrad from India! I want to participate with mozilla in this year's GSoC. My skill set consists of JS, jquery, html, css
19:27:53 <dev_peace> Mic: I went through the project list and found 2 projects to my liking
19:29:36 <Mic> One of which seems to be the WebRTC project :)
19:29:48 <Mic> Which is the other one that you found interesting if I may ask?
19:30:03 <dev_peace> Mic: Browsercast
19:32:05 <Mic> Ah, OK. I'm an Instantbird contributor from Germany and I've mentored a student during last years GSoC already.
19:32:50 <dev_peace> Mic: oh thats great, do we have students working on this project ?
19:34:29 <Mic> There are people interested in our projects of course but who's working on the projects will only turn out after the application period/decision process.
19:34:29 <dev_peace> Mic : I actually attended an Open Source conference( FOSSASIA ) where the mozilla guys managed to catch my attention, so I thought of giving it a try. I interned with Wikimedia Foundation as a part of GSoC 2013
19:34:45 <flo-retina> dev_peace:  n hnt11, q headen, w nayes are all former Instantbird GSoC students.
19:35:12 * nhnt11 waves
19:35:29 <dev_peace> flo-retina: Thanks for the heads up!
19:35:30 <flo-retina> hmm, I think I misunderstood "this project" as 'Instantbird" rather than "the WebRTC integration" :-]
19:36:12 * dev_peace hello nhnt11
19:36:40 <dev_peace> Mic: so where do I get started? 
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19:37:30 <dev_peace> flo-retina: I hope I am not in the wrong IRC channel then
19:38:48 <flo-retina> dev_peace: nah, that was just when you asked "do we have students working on this project ?" and my answer meant "yes, we had students who worked on Instantbird and are still active."
19:39:06 <Mic> We usually ask people to start by using Instantbird, then to pick a bug to familiarize themselves with the Instantbird codebase and our development process (involving the necessary tools like how to work with the repository, code search tools, Bugzilla, code reviews,...)
19:42:37 <dev_peace> Mic : Okay sure, where can I find the instantbird codebase ( Hopefully it is documented well )?
19:42:56 <Mic> You can start on the wiki at http://wiki.instantbird.org
19:44:39 <clokep_work> flo-retina: Do you know if bug 769562 is still an issue?
19:44:43 <instantbot> Bug https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=769562 nor, --, ---, nobody, UNCO, Unexpected message: "Error: No such tab mode: chat"
19:44:57 <Mic> dev_peace: we want to have video/voice integrating well with our existing application, so it would be great if you familiarize yourself with IB by using it and getting a feel for it.
19:45:32 <dev_peace> Mic : I downloaded instantbird from http://instantbird.com/download-all.html
19:46:06 <flo-retina> clokep_work: my comment 2 there seems to indicate I thought in 2012 that the involved code no longer existed
19:46:22 <Mic> dev_peace: on which OS are you?
19:46:24 <clokep_work> That was my understanding too. :)
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19:48:19 <dev_peace> Mic: I have a dual boot Windows/debian
19:50:15 <Mic> OK, you can also pick a nightly build from here (instead of the latest release): http://ftp.instantbird.com/instantbird/nightly/2014/03/
19:50:53 <Mic> There should be recent Windows builds, for a Linux one you'd need to go back day by day and see and there was the last one.
19:52:35 <clokep_work> So you can try our Instantbird for IRC instead of Pidgin. ;)
19:53:15 <dev_peace> clokep_work: how did you figure that out? ( Genius )
19:53:27 <clokep_work> dev_peace: /whois
19:53:39 <clokep_work> + some guess work since all libpurple clients return the same thing.
19:53:46 <clokep_work> But you're not on Mac, so it wasn't adium.
19:53:55 <clokep_work> And Empathy has it's own IRC code, IIRC.
19:53:59 <Mic> "/version"
19:54:04 <clokep_work> So...either Pidgin or Finch...and who uses Finch. ;)
19:54:46 <dev_peace> clokep_work > Sherlock 
19:55:02 <clokep_work> Mic: Still only returns "Purple IRC" ;)
19:55:30 <flo-retina> dev_peace: clokep is the initial author of our IRC code; he knows more than anybody else about IRC ;).
19:56:32 <dev_peace> flo-retina: I am talking to some great people here !! ( feeling honoured )
19:57:37 <clokep_work> "more than anybody else" is probably a stretch. But anybody here...maybe. :-D
19:58:06 <dev_peace> Mic: When are you generally active on the IRC ( time )?
19:58:27 <clokep_work> Most people here are somewhere between UTC+1 and UTC-5.
19:58:32 <Mic> I'm mainly in the morning and evening of UTC+1.
19:59:11 <dev_peace> Mic and clokep_work : I hope you dont mind me pinging you guys often! 
19:59:41 <Mic> dev_peace: just ask here. Someone will answer (hopefully sooner than later).
20:00:09 <flo-retina> dev_peace: you can usually ask questions even if the people you wanted to talk to aren't around. There's a public log (see the topic), and we read it.
20:00:25 <dev_peace> Mic and flo-retina : yep got it !
20:00:27 <clokep_work> dev_peace: Nope. Instantbird is good at handling pings. ;)
20:01:13 <dev_peace> clokep_work: Ironic isnt it to see #instantbird on pidgin?
20:01:43 <flo-retina> not worse than mibbit ;)
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20:16:07 * nhnt11 wonders what's up with the Participants list here: http://puu.sh/7quul.png
20:16:24 <flo-retina> ouch :(
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20:19:52 <nhnt11> Good night
20:20:20 <qheaden> Nite
20:24:40 <dev_peace> I downloaded the desktop launcher for instantbird and tried starting it, but it refuses to load
20:25:23 <qheaden> clokep_work: I'm going to try to write a patch for icon removal.
20:25:26 <clokep_work> You'll need to be more specific: What OS? What's the error?
20:25:31 <clokep_work> qheaden: Cool, r? me.
20:25:41 <Mic> nhnt11: I've seen that too.
20:25:59 <Mic> aleth_web: ^
20:26:07 <Mic> You might be interested?
20:27:12 <qheaden> clokep_work: When an icon is removed, null data is passed to the user-icon-changed observer?
20:29:10 <clokep_work> qheaden: Yes, sir!
20:29:22 <qheaden> :)
20:29:36 <Mic> dev_peace: what's the "desktop launcher"? And as cloke p said: you'll need to provide additional information if we should be able to help...
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20:34:40 <clokep_work> aleth_web: Ping.
20:38:41 <dev_peace> https://dpaste.de/uDpd This is what I wrote 
20:39:03 <dev_peace> but the desktop launcher does not seem to be working
20:40:25 <EionRobb> is instantbird-1.6a1pre.en-US.linux-i686.tar.bz2 compiled or uncompiled code?
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20:42:21 * qheaden was very confused to see only the JS implemented protocols in the comm-central version of Instantbird.
20:42:31 <Mic> EionRobb, dev_peace: that's a nightly as you can download it from nightly.instantbird.im.
20:42:44 <dev_peace> EionRobb: Not sure! I downloaded it from http://ftp.instantbird.com/instantbird/nightly/2014/03/2014-03-02-04-instantbird/
20:42:47 <Mic> I don't think we have source tarballs for nightlies anywhere...
20:43:40 <Mook_as> EionRobb: compiled; otherwise the os/cpu wouldn't be there.
20:44:35 <Mic> dev_peace: have you tried running it directly?
20:44:51 <EionRobb> Mook_as: it could be OS specific source :P
20:45:22 <clokep_work> EionRobb: Why do you ask?
20:46:28 <EionRobb> clokep_work: because trying to execute uncompiled source is tricky :)
20:47:14 <clokep_work> EionRobb: Does that mean you're trying Instantbird? :P
20:47:45 <EionRobb> clokep_work: goodness no!  I was just wondering if that had anything to do with dev_peace's problem
20:48:28 <Mic> EionRobb: Join us!
20:48:29 <Mic> We've got cookies!
20:48:35 * clokep_work wonders what protocol gitter.im uses...
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20:52:18 * flo-retina wonders if EionRobb has ever tried Instantbird
20:52:24 <qheaden> clokep_work: So... It looks like we shouldn't have commented out xfer_host and xfer_port options in yahoo.js
20:52:33 <qheaden> The icon uploading code needs it. :-S
20:52:44 <EionRobb> flo-retina: I tried it back in the day when you still had abi compatibility with libpurple plugins :)
20:52:51 <flo-retina> qheaden: why would the user customize these values?
20:53:02 <flo-retina> EionRobb: that means 'no' ;).
20:53:15 <dev_peace> Mic : how do i run it directly?
20:53:27 <flo-retina> EionRobb: I'm trying to remember if we _ever_ got _working_ abi compatibility.
20:53:29 <qheaden> flo-retina: They wouldn't. But I guess we need to hard code it into the file?
20:53:51 <EionRobb> flo-retina: it worked with the skype plugin, so.... maybe? :)
20:53:56 <flo-retina> qheaden: sure. And get rid of the commented out code
20:54:07 <clokep_work> qheaden: They should probably NOT be options though.
20:54:09 <qheaden> Okay.
20:54:23 <Mic> dev_peace: find the instantbird executable in the directory where you unpacked it too and run it with ./instantbird
20:56:39 <dev_peace> okay I tried that before but it failed to load XPCOM
20:57:31 <Mic> Can you pastebin the error?
20:57:43 <flo-retina> EionRobb: I have a hard time remembering when we fixed or broke it.
20:58:00 <flo-retina> I remember there were pretty bad thread safety issues on Windows
20:58:20 <flo-retina> and I don't think we fixed them before switching to msvc.
20:58:58 <dev_peace> https://dpaste.de/HHTb Mic
21:01:19 <Mic> flo-retina: ^- that's a 32bit/64bit problem?
21:03:21 <Mook_as> that's a "missing shared libraries" problem
21:03:29 <flo-retina> if Firefox starts; yes.
21:09:20 <dev_peace> there is some problem ! bug bug bug
21:12:18 <clokep_work> Fallen's first question when trying IB was "How do I sent my user for IRC?" :(
21:13:14 <flo-retina> clokep_work: I don't even understand the question :-S
21:13:23 <dev_peace> nor do I
21:13:40 <clokep_work> flo-retina: nick@user!host, he wants to set his user like Mook_as always wants.
21:13:52 <flo-retina> ah, s/sent/set/ !
21:14:16 <clokep_work> Tata.
21:14:24 <flo-retina> is he using a bouncer?
21:15:13 <dev_peace> flo-retina : is there a work around for the probllem?
21:15:42 <flo-retina> dev_peace: install the missing library
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21:17:05 <Mic> dev_peace: you can also search the web for the error message. There are answers on "Ask Ubuntu" for example. Maybe they'll help.
21:18:44 <flo-retina> dev_peace: are you on Ubuntu?
21:19:41 <dev_peace> dev_peace: debian
21:20:07 <dev_peace> lol sorry flo-retina debian
21:20:57 <flo-retina> close enough, the solution may be the same
21:21:17 <Mic> One of the things you can be looking forward to: Instantbird knows better than adding a ping to yourself :)
21:21:38 <flo-retina> Mic: :-)
21:22:35 <flo-retina> dev_peace: try this:
21:22:35 <flo-retina> sudo apt-get install libasound2:i386 libpango1.0-0:i386 libcairo2:i386 libgdk-pixbuf2.0-0:i386 libatk1.0-0:i386 libgtk2.0-0:i386 
21:25:45 <Mic> bbl
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21:33:15 <dev_peac1> Mic, flo-retina: Done !
21:33:37 <Mic> Great! :)
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21:41:48 <dev_peac1>  /msg NickServ confirm C9Px4Pykr 
21:42:04 <dev_peac1> oops wrong place
21:43:15 <Mic> You mustn't have a leading space there...
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21:55:16 <dev_peace1> Mic: Thanks! okay and do you guys have beginners bugs?
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22:02:34 <Mic> There's a full list of our bugs on bugzilla.mozilla.org ("BMO"). Use this query in the quicksearch box:
22:02:34 <Mic> prod:Instantbird,"Chat Core"
22:03:23 <Mic> You can browse the list to get ideas what's in there. Once you have an idea what sort of bug would be interesting for you, ask again...
22:04:06 <Mic> e.g. "I'd like to fix an XMPP bug" and then we'd try to find a good first bug for you in this category.
22:04:55 <Mic> We don't have bugs explicitely labelled as "good first bug", so I can't point you to a list...
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22:07:04 <dev_peace1> Mic: sure ! I am a learner at every step! 
22:09:53 <Mic> OK, good.
22:09:53 <Mic> I'll be away for ~1h now.
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22:34:13 <dev_peace1> Mic : I'd like to fix something related to the Project, so that I get a good feel of things, so my choice would be "XMPP" and "Conversation". 
22:34:25 <instantbot> New Chat Core - Yahoo! Messenger bug 981884 filed by qheaden@phaseshiftsoftware.com.
22:54:31 <Fallen> is sending PASS a legacy thing? I'm surprised the "password" field in the account settings doesn't cause sending PASS, what does it do?
22:55:37 <Fallen> and I feel really uncomfortable setting my password in the prefs
22:59:50 <dev_peace1> Mic : could you reply to my previous message at rahul14m93@gmail.com with some reference as how to solve it and docs. It almost 5 am in India. See you tomorrow night!
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23:09:33 <Mic> Fallen: hi
23:10:22 <Mic> I'm not familiar with the details (clokep wrote the IRC code) but I think we try several other method to authenticate before falling back to PASS.
23:15:23 <Mic> Fallen: why do you need PASS to be sent? Is this bouncer-related?
23:16:36 <Fallen> Mic: yes, znc
23:16:58 <Fallen> you don't fallback to PASS, I need to set .serverPassword in about:config
23:17:04 <Fallen> to the plaintext password
23:17:27 <Fallen> http://hg.instantbird.org/instantbird/rev/8c055fcede9f
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23:20:06 <Mic> hmm, strange.
23:20:10 <Mic> There's also: https://mxr.mozilla.org/comm-central/source/chat/protocols/irc/ircNonStandard.jsm#30
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23:25:49 <Fallen> Mic: hmm yes, I saw that too. My server is sending that text, but I guess something is not working
23:26:04 <Fallen> clokep: hi :)
23:26:14 <clokep> Fallen: Hello.
23:26:15 * clokep guesses he has to read the log.
23:26:18 <Mic> There's an IRC/ZNC question for you...
23:26:40 <Fallen> short version is, I can only connect if I set .serverPassword in the prefs
23:27:44 <Fallen> using 1.5, haven't tested the nightly builds
23:27:46 <clokep> Fallen: Possibly. It used to work using the password field. :-\
23:27:59 <clokep> Apparently this broke at some point.
23:27:59 <clokep> but no one has given me a debug log for me to look at it.
23:28:11 <clokep> I don't have ZNC set up, I've never gotten it to work + it has a zillion options that change various things.
23:28:20 <clokep> And yes, PASS should be a legacy thing, it's better to use SASL.
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23:30:05 <Fallen> I don't think znc supports that at login. I can surely provide you with an account
23:31:11 <clokep> Fallen: http://mxr.mozilla.org/comm-central/source/chat/protocols/irc/ircNonStandard.jsm#29 is the code that's more interesting btw.
23:32:23 <clokep> Fallen: That might work too. :)
23:32:38 <clokep> I'd like to eat dinner before looking at this though. :P
23:38:04 <Fallen> np, I need sleep soon anyway
23:38:12 <Fallen> I'll email you details
23:38:17 <Fallen> clokep: ^
23:39:13 <clokep> Fallen: Thanks! :)
23:41:14 <clokep> Mic: I don't know the XMPP code well enough to know good "first" bugs.
23:42:14 * Mic neither. And even less at this time of the day ;)
23:42:23 <Mic> Good night!
23:43:57 <Fallen> thanks for the help you two, good night!
23:44:15 <Mic> I'll look through the list of XMPP bugs tomorrow. Maybe I can eliminate some and find something in the rest.
23:44:23 <Mic> The list of bugs is short from what I've seen.
23:44:33 <Mic> ~30 maybe?
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23:49:10 <clokep> I looked today, nothing exciting... :-\
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23:57:42 <clokep> qheaden: Looks like the refresh you need on  bug 955910 is trivial. :)
23:57:44 <instantbot> Bug https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=955910 min, --, ---, qheaden, ASSI, Conference room numbers jump two values
23:58:56 <clokep> Yeah I went through all the protocols and marked things as good first bugs...