#instantbird log on 03 09 2014

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00:00:35 <Mic> Good night (afternoon/...)!
00:00:45 <clokep_work> I think it's night for all of us. :-D
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00:01:22 <flo-retina> clokep_work: that file no longer exists, it's now automatically generated from the moz.build files
00:01:41 <clokep_work> Interesting...
00:01:42 <flo-retina> the only reason we kept it is to override the list to not run the mozilla/ stuff
00:01:58 <clokep_work> So should I modify each chat/ file to just not run tests?
00:02:02 <flo-retina> clokep_work: so for that try push you want to look in the moz.build file
00:02:25 <flo-retina> well the moz.build files that declare xpcshell test folders
00:02:46 <clokep_work> Yeah. Trying to find it. :-\
00:03:03 <flo-retina> mxr...
00:03:49 <clokep_work> Duh. That's what I'm using.
00:04:13 <clokep_work> xpcshell.ini shows very little hits. :-S
00:04:23 <flo-retina> tss
00:04:55 <flo-retina>  /chat/components/src/test/xpcshell.ini
00:04:55 <flo-retina>  /chat/modules/test/xpcshell.ini
00:04:55 <flo-retina>  /chat/protocols/irc/test/xpcshell.ini
00:04:56 <flo-retina>  /chat/protocols/yahoo/test/xpcshell.ini
00:05:03 <flo-retina> from http://mxr.mozilla.org/comm-central/find?text=&string=xpcshell.ini
00:05:40 <flo-retina> you want to comment out http://mxr.mozilla.org/comm-central/source/chat/protocols/irc/moz.build#6
00:06:07 <clokep_work> Yeah. That was what I asked earlier and yous aid no. :-\
00:06:53 <clokep_work> But OK. I'll try that.
00:06:55 * flo-retina doesn't remember saying no recently
00:07:33 <clokep_work> I took your response to http://log.bezut.info/instantbird/today/#m6 to mean I should find where the files are auto-generated.
00:07:41 <clokep_work> SHould I comment that out for all our chat/ tests?
00:08:47 <flo-retina> "I took your response to " I didn't reply to that line. I actually missed it (I was already typing something)
00:08:59 <flo-retina> yeah
00:09:16 <flo-retina> that should be 4 '#' to add :)
00:10:49 <clokep_work> Yup! :)
00:11:46 <flo-retina> my photos of the day are at http://queze.net/goinfre/mamie/reims2014/
00:12:02 <clokep_work> Well only 3, the yahoo ones are disabled still...
00:12:06 <flo-retina> http://queze.net/goinfre/mamie/reims2014/IMG_2796.jpg was the first time I saw a rabbit egg!
00:18:51 <flo-retina> Good night!
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00:41:04 <clokep_work> Well that certainly took long enough. :-S
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02:53:06 <mayanktg> nhnt11: yes, Do you have alink to your last year's GSoC proposal?
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03:15:09 <instant-buildbot> build #1096 of linux-nightly-default is complete: Failure [4failed compile]  Build details are at http://buildbot.instantbird.org/builders/linux-nightly-default/builds/1096
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03:28:21 <instant-buildbot> build #2075 of macosx-nightly-default is complete: Failure [4failed compile]  Build details are at http://buildbot.instantbird.org/builders/macosx-nightly-default/builds/2075
03:30:28 <clokep> flo-retina: My Try push: https://tbpl.mozilla.org/?tree=Thunderbird-Try&jobname=TB%20Rev4%20MacOSX%20Snow%20Leopard%2010.6%20try-comm-central%20opt%20test%20xpcshell
04:41:34 <instant-buildbot> build #1291 of win32-nightly-default is complete: Failure [4failed compile]  Build details are at http://buildbot.instantbird.org/builders/win32-nightly-default/builds/1291
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09:52:25 <nhnt11> mayanktg: I don't think I uploaded it publicly anywhere. I can email it to you if you'd like
10:14:45 <shashika> I need to learn about XPCOM
10:14:51 <shashika> any references?
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10:20:06 <Mic> shashika: I created small examples of components as add-on. You can find it in my add-on list on AIO.
10:20:26 <Mic> Beside that I'm sure that you can find plenty of documentation on MDN ;)
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11:46:16 <instantbot> aleth@instantbird.org changed the Resolution on bug 954747 from --- to DUPLICATE.
11:46:18 <instantbot> Bug https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=954747 min, --, ---, nobody, NEW, /join doesn't focus conversation for a channel when it is already joined
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12:32:01 <nhnt11> aleth: I was just going through the debug log in a tab bug again. re. "Does this imply there can be only one debug log panel?" - the answer to this is "no." (my response on the bug kinda misunderstood what we were talking about) (https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=955641#c6)
12:32:04 <instantbot> Bug 955641 nor, --, ---, nhnt11, ASSI, Open debug logs in a tab
12:32:40 <nhnt11> That check is there because if the user has disabled tabbed conversations, we need to open a new window
12:33:01 <aleth> Right :)
12:33:01 <nhnt11> There should have been a comment there...
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12:33:21 <aleth> If you touch that code now, you can add it ;)
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12:33:43 <nhnt12> Ugh, the Mac preferences crash...
12:33:53 <aleth> nhnt11: Should the code be changed so that you can have at most one awesometab per window
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12:34:05 <nhnt11> aleth: Why?
12:34:08 <aleth> nhnt11: That crash still exists? :-S
12:34:21 <nhnt11> I remember there was a discussion on this and we decided to let there be as many awesometabs as the user wants
12:34:26 <aleth> nhnt11: I guess it doesn't really matter.
12:34:43 <nhnt11> Yeah it still exists :(
12:35:39 <aleth> I sometimes see strange artifacts in Preferences (e.g. a pane will "slip up" inside the window)
12:35:43 <Mic> Nick completion suggests nhnt11 twice when I enter a part of it :(
12:35:57 <nhnt11> That's kinda funny :D
12:36:11 <aleth> Mic: It's a known bug :-|
12:36:16 <nhnt11> aleth: Yeah in the themes tab right
12:36:16 <nhnt11> ?
12:36:22 <aleth> nhnt11: Yes
12:36:31 <Mic> aleth: is it? I've never seen it before.
12:36:57 <aleth> Mic: It's hard to reproduce. It seems to involve someone leaving and another nick changing to the left nick
12:37:23 <nhnt11> What i did was: crash instantbird, login as nhnt12, ghost nhnt11, /nick nhnt11
12:37:37 <nhnt11> Maybe that will provide you reliable STR...
12:38:08 <Mic> aleth: where does the completion code live?
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12:38:41 <aleth> Mic: conversation.xml (for now... I have a WIP that changes that)
12:38:47 <Mic> OK, thanks.
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12:47:59 <nhnt12> nhnt11: would you try completing my current nick, please?
12:48:21 <nhnt11> It completes it to "nhnt12"
12:48:29 <nhnt11> (expected behavior)
12:48:35 <nhnt12> No double completions suggested?
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12:48:44 <nhnt11> nope
12:49:19 <Mic> So it's not enough to take the nick of someone who parted the channel?
12:49:34 <nhnt11> Mic: Can you change it back to nhnt12 again please?
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12:49:50 <nhnt11> Nope, definitely no double completions
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12:49:57 <clokep> aleth: Did you ever make any progress on separating that code out?
12:50:32 <aleth> clokep: I'm working on it (when there isn't something more urgent...)
12:50:57 <aleth> Still unsure about the best API
12:51:44 <aleth> I want it to be testable and extensible but without including too much UI code
12:52:34 <clokep> My guess is the API should be getMeSomeCompletions(<current string>, imIConversation)
12:53:39 <aleth> Yes, but a lot of what I would like (ideally) to be testable is the interaction with the user (the punctuation changes etc)
12:53:50 <aleth> It's not a simple as returning a list of possibilities.
12:54:30 <clokep> Right.
12:55:00 <aleth> So I have a WIP, but it's nowhere near ready ;)
12:57:54 <clokep> OK. :( Well if you want any of us to check it out, let us know.
13:01:13 <Mic> nhnt11: could ghosting make a difference? Is that treat any different from someone parting a channel?
13:01:41 <nhnt11> Mic: I'm not sure.
13:01:44 <Mic> aleth: what would you like the API to do? Pass it a string and a source for values to complete and say: "complete starting at position <x> and return me a string"?
13:06:25 <nhnt11> bbl
13:06:57 * clokep is surprised Mic doesn't protect his nick. :P
13:07:12 <Mic> I don't? :o
13:07:40 <clokep> Or maybe I'm confused.
13:07:45 <clokep> Are you Mic or are you nhnt11? :P
13:08:18 <aleth> Mic: I'm not sure what I want it to do yet beyond "as much as possible" ;)
13:09:43 <aleth> Anyone know what the difference is between "<div></div>" and "<div/>"? :-S
13:10:04 <Mic> clokep: I've enabled protection now :)
13:11:15 <clokep> aleth: Most likely nothing in xhtml. but HTML isn't "real" XML IIRC, so the second might be invslid.
13:11:18 <clokep> I don't know about HTML5.
13:13:00 <aleth> That's probably it.
13:13:21 * clokep wonders why.
13:13:34 <mayanktg> I think <div /> is not a valid markup, because we use <> </> wherever we are supposed to use group elements
13:13:48 <mayanktg> http://stackoverflow.com/questions/1411182/is-there-a-difference-between-div-and-div-div
13:13:54 <aleth> It doesn't cause errors, but it behaves differently
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13:14:02 <clokep> mayanktg: http://www.tc.umn.edu/~nayes006/gsoc/instantbird.php
13:14:18 <aleth> mayanktg: Thanks
13:14:49 <mayanktg> clokep: that look wonderful application!
13:15:49 <aleth> clokep: "For XHTML, the two are equivalent... for HTML, certain tags must be expressed as open-close...most of the block-level tag."
13:16:02 <mayanktg> clokep: https://gist.github.com/mayanktg/9415556 I have worked on other details and will add the proposal by today/tom
13:16:44 <clokep> aleth: div is block level so...
13:16:57 <aleth> clokep: Yes exactly.
13:17:59 <aleth> mayanktg: The most important part is the project proposal bit ;)
13:18:33 <mayanktg> aleth: yes..I am making the design prototype..will upload it all together :P 
13:23:27 <Mic> mayanktg: keep in mind that it's a good idea to keep things as simple as possible and to make them only as complicated as necessary...
13:23:52 <clokep> mayanktg: Looks like a good start. Obviously missing the most important part right now! The actual proposal. :)
13:23:54 <aleth> Mic: I just fixed the bubble-touching-the-bottom bug in passing ;)
13:24:01 <Mic> aleth: :)
13:24:32 <mayanktg> Mic: yes, I'll keep it as simple as possible. :)
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13:55:09 <clokep> What do we think of things like https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=812868#c1 ?
13:55:12 <instantbot> Bug 812868 nor, --, ---, nobody, UNCO, IRC scrollbar sticks, refuses to scroll up
13:55:24 <clokep> Generally we ask people to reproduce but if someone else can't and it's been a long time...do we just close things?
13:56:36 <aleth> I'm not sure... wfm or we could resolve it as incomplete as it lacks STR?
14:05:09 * clokep shrugs.
14:05:49 <aleth> In a sense, "unconfirmed" is also correct I guess ;)
14:06:12 <aleth> It's a shame that doesn't distinguish from "untriaged"
14:06:25 <clokep> There's a untriaged component.
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14:21:31 <instantbot> New Instantbird - Conversation bug 981404 filed by aleth@instantbird.org.
14:24:28 * clokep wonders if aleth follows Tb-IM bugzilla component or not.
14:25:10 <aleth> Yes
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14:42:18 <clokep> aleth: You broke all the builds.
14:42:29 <aleth> Uh really? :-o
14:42:37 <aleth> How?
14:43:32 <instantbot> clokep@gmail.com changed the Resolution on bug 954270 from FIXED to ---.
14:43:34 <instantbot> Bug https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=954270 nor, --, 1.6, aleth, REOP, Give new tabs opened via IRC commands focus
14:43:46 <clokep> aleth: Check buildbot, we changed an interface w/o changing purple/.
14:44:06 <aleth> :(
14:44:33 * aleth hasn't got extensions/purple on his main repo yet
14:45:39 <aleth> Sorry about that.
14:46:22 <clokep> aleth: I should have seen it too. :)
14:46:27 <clokep> But I'm going to make you fix it. :P
14:48:47 <aleth> It's not going to be today unfortunately as I am out of battery :-S
14:52:19 <aleth> flo's purple repo is stil 404ing :-(
14:52:42 * aleth gives up.
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14:54:42 <aleth> now it worked...
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14:55:35 <clokep> I just kept hitting up, enter until it workd. ;)
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16:46:06 <mayanktg> Mic: there?
16:46:51 <mayanktg> to add video chat feature ..I have created a simple design for the same.. https://docs.google.com/presentation/d/1Sg1l_9df_Q_jKNeKac0I_0G5CEIEIQnFSGgTA_74S1U/
16:47:39 <mayanktg> please tell what should I change in it or it is good :-o
16:52:24 <Mic> mayanktg: yes, for a while
16:56:41 <Mic> flo wants to be involved in the UI discussion. You already talked with him about it earlier (2014/02/14). There's been at least mentioned how flo thought the video could be shown in the UI.
16:56:54 <Mic> So you might wanna check the logs...
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17:01:56 <Mic> mayanktg: ^
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17:02:14 <mayanktg> Mic: yes yes..
17:02:43 <Mic> I just wanted to make sure you noticed that I had already responded without pinging you.
17:03:03 <mayanktg> the discussion was about the user icon bug. 
17:03:08 <nhnt11>  Hi
17:03:37 <mayanktg> I was going through the logs.
17:03:54 <Mic> mayanktg: sorry, it was on 2014/02/21
17:05:12 <mayanktg> Mic: yup! Recalled. How do you search the logs?? :-o
17:05:15 <clokep> That looks very much like Skype. :-\
17:05:31 <nhnt11> mayanktg: Google? "text to search site:log.bezut.info"
17:05:52 <Mic> There's also a search box on http://log.bezut.info that does exactly that.
17:06:39 <mayanktg> clokep: ? even Hangout is also the same.. then shall we go ahead for a completely different UI?
17:07:00 <mayanktg> nhnt11, Mic I didn't notice the search bar :'(
17:07:04 <clokep> mayanktg: I don't think that fits into our UI very well. ;)
17:07:24 <clokep> I won't get into UI discussions though. They don't interest me.
17:08:41 <mayanktg> clokep: I wanted to keep that minimal .. let flo review it.
17:09:15 <clokep> mayanktg: "that"
17:09:16 <clokep> ?
17:09:17 <Mic> flo already gave some hints how he'd imagine it. That's why I pointed you to that date ;)
17:09:34 * nhnt11 suspects someone will say (sooner or later) not to open the webcam window until the call is actually connected ;)
17:09:59 <clokep> :)
17:18:12 <mayanktg> Mic: ohhh...I created an entirely different thing flo asked for :-/
17:19:26 * mayanktg goes back to work
17:20:44 <Mic> The idea is that it should integrate seamlessly and shouldn't bother the user with more interactions and new windows than absolutely necessary.
17:22:30 <Mic> We used to have a modal dialog appearing when someone sent an "Authorization requests" (to add you to his/her contact list). Eventually it was replaced with an unobtrusive notification bar on top of the contact list...
17:23:24 <mayanktg> Mic: now I'm feeling it would be annoying to have 3 windows opened for the same application
17:23:46 <mayanktg> I am doing the changes
17:25:37 <Mic> You can do sketches on pen and paper and iterate until you're happy about the result.
17:26:14 <mayanktg> Yes
17:26:15 <Mic> That's a lot faster than using a mockup tool in my opinion.
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17:35:22 <flo-retina> aleth the purple repo shouldn't 404 any more. I got #it to fix it at the time
17:35:28 <flo-retina> if it still causes error, I guess you can ping #it about it again ;)
17:40:21 <flo-retina> "You can do sketches on pen and paper and iterate until you're happy about the result." I wonder when was the last time I did that :)
17:41:06 * Mic did some sketches when thinking about mayanktg's "Take user image" panel...
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17:42:30 <flo-retina1> it was likely for one of the 3 main Ib window :)
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18:09:51 <mayanktg> flo-retina: regading the webrtc support: should we have a simple modal dialog like accept/reject call request  feature?? After accepting the call the cam would be started inside the chatbox
18:11:53 <clokep> How do you still chat with the video up then?
18:12:01 <clokep> Modal dialog, no.
18:14:05 <mayanktg> the chat box would be divided into two parts ..2/3rd would be video and the rest would be of chat 
18:15:58 <mayanktg> the video would remain fix but the chat will behave like the present behaviour
18:18:26 <mayanktg> clokep: Then what can be used to open that request feature?
18:18:48 <clokep> I don't know.
18:19:22 <mayanktg> ok :)
18:22:00 <clokep> (I also don't want to confuse you if someone has a real plan.)
18:33:48 <clokep> My guess would be adding a notification bar to the conversation.
18:34:02 <clokep> And most likely the video/audio buttons should be added near the protocol switcher.
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18:35:20 <clokep> mayanktg: ^
18:35:36 <mayanktg> clokep: I though of that. But then if the user is not active in that conversation then how would he be notified about it?
18:35:45 <clokep> (Also for the record, I find hangout's UI to be awful. I used it for the first time last week...)
18:36:04 <clokep> It could bring up the conversation.
18:36:06 <Mic> In my opinion that is a different problem, mayanktg.
18:36:30 <mayanktg> Yes . changed the position of the buttons.
18:36:31 <clokep> Nothing should ever totally pop up in front of what the user is doing though.
18:36:46 <Mic> Imagine different situations in which a call could be coming in.
18:37:04 <clokep> It's extremely frustrating when I'm writing code or an email or something and a window pops up in front of me and I type for 15 seconds without realizing that that text went no where.
18:37:40 <mayanktg> clokep: yes that would be frustrating. 
18:38:26 <Mic> Situations like "in conversation with the caller", "in another conversation", "not even having IB focused", ...
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18:39:43 <mayanktg> so we would have different notification option for these situations. That's a nice idea.
18:40:29 <Mic> No, not necessarily. Some situations might have the same solution as others.
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18:42:47 <Mic> A notification bar could be a nice solution for the case when you're already writing with the user (or when you switch to that conversation).
18:43:03 <mayanktg> "in conversation with the caller" - notification inside the chatbox, 
18:44:32 <mayanktg> "in another conversation" - notification should be in form of notification bar ..
18:46:14 <mayanktg>  "not even having IB focused" - sound + notification bar when you switch to IB..
18:50:29 <Mic> You might draw inspiration from other programs but always evaluate if they fit to our easy, usable, unobtrusive, ... goals.
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18:51:47 <mayanktg> Mic: I'll now keep these points in mind.
18:52:11 <Mic> e.g. is there something that Skype does that would be acceptable for us...
18:52:14 <Mic> OK :)
18:53:04 <mayanktg> yup!
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23:37:17 <flo-retina> clokep: what's the state of the build failure in purple/?
23:37:21 <flo-retina> is there a bug filed on it?
23:37:29 <clokep> flo-retina: I reopened the same bug.
23:37:30 <flo-retina> has anybody started looking into patching it?
23:37:42 <clokep> I didn't have a chance to no. :-\
23:37:58 <clokep> And aleth said "no today".
23:38:35 <flo-retina> alright, I'll look into it now
23:38:45 <clokep> Sorry. :-\
23:38:47 <flo-retina> it's blocking Even who's working right now on setting up a linux64 VM
23:39:16 <clokep> I think it's just a matter of adding the extra parameters to the purpleCommands methods.
23:39:20 <clokep> (And ignoring them.)
23:39:41 <flo-retina> hmm, why does my build _not_ fail :-S
23:39:50 <clokep> Did you pull?
23:40:03 <clokep> (Stupid question I know, but easiest place to start. :--D)
23:41:02 <flo-retina> clokep: Yes, it added 11 changesets with 29 changes to 27 files
23:41:12 <flo-retina> and then hg up did "27 files updated, 0 files merged, 0 files removed, 0 files unresolved"
23:41:27 <flo-retina> and my mozconfig includes ac_add_options --enable-extensions=purple,inspector
23:41:47 <flo-retina> hmm, I suspect some make dependencies don't work and I need to make clean in purple/purplexpcom/src
23:42:49 <flo-retina> hmm, no purple directory in my objdir :-S
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23:56:38 <Mic> clokep: you can log into Facebook using your user name. I do that all the time.