#instantbird log on 02 04 2014

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03:35:42 <SCIF> Hey guys
03:35:53 <clokep> Hello.
03:36:47 <SCIF> v1.4 was compiled for x86_64. Any chance to see 64 bits builds for v1.5?
03:37:10 <clokep> I assume you mean for Linux?
03:37:18 <clokep> The 64-bit build was a contributed build, it's not "official".
03:37:36 <clokep> It's possible we could get one for 1.5, but I don't know of any plans for someone to do it.
03:37:53 <clokep> I think we're hoping to have official 64-bit builds for the next release.
03:38:59 <SCIF> As you can know, x86_64 was promoted as main architecture by Linus instead of x86. Hope you will do that main soon also
03:39:34 <SCIF> Ok. Second question: does v1.5 support self-signed certs for jabber servers??
03:40:14 <clokep> SCIF: It does if you use the JavaScript XMPP code, but that doesn't support DNS SRV.
03:40:42 <clokep> I don't see your point about x64. (I also don't understand why you seem to be assuming we don't want them.)
03:42:02 <clokep> We definitely want it, but it involves some infrastructure changes that no one has done...and we just had a whole bunch of other things done w/ our infrastructure (we haven't even gotten nightly builds back yet).
03:42:11 <clokep> But yes, hopefully we'll have them soon. :)
03:46:40 <EionRobb> do you have arm builds of instantbird?
03:47:10 <SCIF> clokep: Did js xmpp added in 1.5?
03:47:17 <clokep> EionRobb: No.
03:47:23 <EionRobb> ppc builds?
03:47:23 <clokep> SCIF: No, it was added in 1.2, I think.
03:47:34 <clokep> EionRobb: Why does it matter?
03:47:39 <EionRobb> exactly :)
03:47:43 <EionRobb> x86 is good enough :P
03:48:05 <SCIF> clokep: How i can use it?
03:48:12 <clokep> I think Mozilla toolkit doesn't compile on PPC anymore actually.
03:49:03 <clokep> SCIF: On 1.5, go into about:config, search for "forcePurple", remove the XMPP/Jabber part of that string. (I forget exactly what it says.)
03:49:33 <clokep> SCIF: Some things may be unsupported in it.
03:51:10 <SCIF> Omg
03:51:22 <SCIF> I just can disable certs checking??
03:51:33 <SCIF> purple.ssl.check_certificate
03:51:53 <SCIF> Yeah!
03:51:56 <SCIF> Sweety
03:52:03 <clokep> SCIF: That's really insecure.
03:52:22 <clokep> SCIF: You can also just import the cert.
03:52:40 <SCIF> Yeah, i know about import. I will do it soon
03:59:20 <SCIF> security.ssl.require_safe_negotiation;
03:59:20 <SCIF> security.ssl.treat_unsafe_negotiation_as_broken;
03:59:20 <SCIF> What do doing that options?
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04:01:42 <clokep> I don't know.
04:01:47 <clokep> Those are standard Mozilla SSL options.
04:01:53 <clokep> Google them? :)
04:09:35 <SCIF> Yeah. it's not interesting for me.
04:12:54 * clokep goes to bed. ;)
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05:50:38 <instant-buildbot> build #1785 of macosx-nightly-default is complete: Failure [4failed shell_3]  Build details are at http://buildbot.instantbird.org/builders/macosx-nightly-default/builds/1785
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07:47:33 <instant-buildbot> build #1252 of win32-nightly-default is complete: Failure [4failed shell_3]  Build details are at http://buildbot.instantbird.org/builders/win32-nightly-default/builds/1252
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08:40:47 <flo-retina> SCIF: if someone reminds me at the right time (ie. when I'm close to my linux machine), I may do 1.5 64bit builds this week-end
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13:13:36 <clokep_work> Hello!
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13:43:43 <flo-retina> clokep_work: Good morning :)
13:44:05 <clokep_work> Hello flo-retina.
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13:50:52 <clokep_work> flo-retina: btw thanks for the review on the two line patch. ;)
13:51:13 <clokep_work> Don't be surprised if something in those patches is totally crazy / wrong. I probably just didn't understand.
13:56:21 <flo-retina> clokep_work: sorry I didn't get to review all the other patches yesterday
13:56:34 <clokep_work> flo-retina: No need to apologize, I didn't have time to look last night anyway! :)
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14:49:30 <clokep_work> flo-retina: So it sounds like you wanted to nix the FileLink idea this year? I'd be OK w/ that personally...
14:50:16 <flo-retina> well, is there a mentor for it?
14:52:02 <aleth> if that's the only reason, I could mentor that
14:52:06 <clokep_work> I would maybe do it...but I'm afraid...
14:52:23 * aleth is kind of afraid too...
14:52:35 <flo-retina> what are you all afraid of?
14:52:45 <flo-retina> getting worse results than I did last year? :-P
14:52:53 <clokep_work> Defining the interfaces.
14:53:07 <flo-retina> bleah
14:54:04 <clokep_work> ;)
14:54:04 <flo-retina> we should probably do some of that ourselves before the student starts
14:54:07 <aleth> I guess the interface part of that is if anything simpler than the webrtc one would be ;)
14:54:13 <clokep_work> I agree.
14:54:37 <flo-retina> aleth: I fail to parse your last sentence
14:55:08 <clokep_work> flo-retina: I agree infinite scroll seems pretty light, did someone suggest doing that w/ indexed logs or am I mixing up conversations?
14:55:13 <aleth> Defining the interfaces around voice/video chat support seems to me to be tricker than interfaces for file transfer.
14:55:31 <flo-retina> clokep_work: nhnt11 was interested in merging these 2
14:56:11 <flo-retina> aleth: the tricky parts about ft is you need ways to indicate progress, and to grab the files after the transfer is over. Possibly to have a history of previous transfers.
14:56:17 <aleth> I am skeptical of the single window UI one, asking the student to design it has the potential to end in a lot of frustrating bikeshedding
14:56:28 <aleth> flo-retina: I agree
14:56:43 <flo-retina> aleth: the WebRTC UI is comparatively simple: you just need to grant permissions for devices. And let the things to stuff. :-P
14:57:02 <flo-retina> aleth: ok, well... maybe WebRTC sounds more simple to me than it is because I've been working around that area for a year.
14:57:19 <aleth> I could mentor infinite scroll, but don't know enough about databases to be a good mentor for indexed logs
14:57:38 * flo-retina was thinking aleth would be the best mentor for the infinite scroll thing.
14:58:02 <flo-retina> aleth: you meant "to be a good reviewer" ;)
14:58:07 <flo-retina> that's not the same thing!
15:00:37 <aleth> I would have thought the latter was almost a prerequisite for the former ;)
15:01:34 <flo-retina> I don't think Mic was necessarily the best reviewer for all the stuff nhnt11 touched last summer. That wasn't a reason to not let him mentor that project.
15:03:57 <clokep_work> aleth: Mentors need to eb available to help students find the right people to get help and offer general guidance.
15:04:03 <clokep_work> They don't need to be the one to review code before it lands.
15:04:38 <flo-retina> exactly. The role of the mentor is to help the student get started, and to help the student get unstuck asap.
15:04:51 <flo-retina> that may be done by pinging the right people on behalf of the student, etc...
15:06:12 <aleth> Sure, but you should know enough to be able to offer guidance. E.g. if asked "what database should I best use to store the indexed logs", I'd say "I'd have to research that myself"...
15:06:37 <flo-retina> except that's the student's work ;)
15:06:59 <flo-retina> you should be able to check if the student's research made sense or was done poorly. You don't have to be the one doing the research.
15:09:56 <clokep_work> aleth: And your research can be sending flo an email. ;)
15:10:18 <flo-retina> or make flo feel guilty for not replying quickly enough
15:10:24 <flo-retina> :-[
15:13:12 * clokep_work filled out the ones he'd do.
15:13:15 <clokep_work> I'm still unsure about OTR...
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15:44:32 <clokep_work> aleth: For the Single Window UI I think we'd want a mock up in the application.
15:45:21 <flo-retina> clokep_work: I agree... and yet think this isn't a really good idea.
15:45:45 <flo-retina> For Summer of _Code_, we want student who are able to write code. We are not really looking for good designers.
15:50:27 <clokep_work> OK, so let's ignore that then.
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16:55:58 <iamjayakumars> Hi instanbird always crashes when QUITing it
16:56:08 <iamjayakumars> i'm using MAC OS X 10.9.1
16:56:24 <iamjayakumars> instanbird nightly 
16:56:44 <clokep_work> iamjayakumars: Do you submit the crash reports?
16:57:06 <clokep_work> (Typing /about crashes should bring them up...)
16:57:37 <iamjayakumars> nope
16:58:38 <iamjayakumars> clokep_work: how to get the crash report 
16:58:40 <iamjayakumars> i'm new sorry
16:59:05 <clokep_work> iamjayakumars: When Instantbird crashes it pops up a dialog asking you to submit.
16:59:12 <clokep_work> Unless it doesn't on mac for some reason. flo-retina ^
16:59:27 <iamjayakumars> clokep_work: its non-retina
16:59:47 <clokep_work> iamjayakumars: I don't understand what that has to do w/ anything?
17:00:00 <flo-retina> clokep_work: crash reporting works on mac
17:01:51 <iamjayakumars> AdapterDeviceID: 0x 166
17:01:52 <iamjayakumars> AdapterVendorID: 0x8086
17:01:52 <iamjayakumars> Add-ons: %7B972ce4c6-7e08-4474-a285-3208198ce6fd%7D:1.6a1pre
17:01:53 <iamjayakumars> BuildID: 20140104041441
17:01:55 <iamjayakumars> CrashTime: 1391533833
17:01:57 <iamjayakumars> EMCheckCompatibility: true
17:01:59 <iamjayakumars> InstallTime: 1389809547
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17:02:01 <iamjayakumars> Notes: AdapterVendorID: 0x8086, AdapterDeviceID: 0x 166GL Layers! GL Context? GL Context+ GL Layers+ 
17:02:03 <iamjayakumars> ProductID: {33cb9019-c295-46dd-be21-8c4936574bee}
17:02:05 <iamjayakumars> ProductName: Instantbird
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17:02:37 <flo-retina> iamjayakumars: please use a pastebin when pasting something that is several lines long
17:02:50 <iamjayakumars> oh sorry
17:03:36 <iamjayakumars> clokep_work: flo-retina: http://pastebin.com/zJ3t84Ek
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17:04:43 <flo-retina> iamjayakumars: you need to send the report
17:08:10 <iamjayakumars> i done
17:14:05 <flo-retina> now, type: /about crashes
17:14:14 <flo-retina> and give us the id of the most recent crash
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17:32:06 <flo-retina> clokep_work: What did you mean by "16:13:12 * clokep_work filled out the ones he'd do." ?
17:32:30 <flo-retina> was this just putting your nick as a mentor in the pad, or did you mean you put the ideas on the wiki page? (I don't see any change to the page)
17:44:11 <clokep_work> flo-retina: I put my nick on the pad.
17:44:14 <clokep_work> Id idn't mess w/ the wiki yet.
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17:48:44 <clokep_work> flo-retina: So did I understand that we wouldn't want single window UI as a GSoC project?
17:52:25 <flo-retina> I think that's not really what we said.
17:52:50 <flo-retina> more that as currently described, it's not specific enough and doesn't give a student great chances of success
17:53:12 <flo-retina> so we either don't want to offer that project, or we need to work soon on clarifying what we want.
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18:06:20 <flo-retina> is https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/attachment.cgi?id=8370163&action=diff something we need for Instantbird too?
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18:22:56 <clokep_work> flo-retina: I don't know. :-\ We need nightlies back.
18:26:27 <flo-retina> we do!
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18:32:15 <clokep_work> Well hopefully soon. :)
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20:41:45 <kkirill> hello, all
20:43:03 <kkirill> is it possible to index instanbrid json log files with thunderbird gloda?
20:44:39 <clokep_work> kkirill: You can't use gloda with Instantbird.
20:45:08 <kkirill> it is pity :(
20:45:14 <kkirill> is it possible to search in instantbird log files from GUI?
20:46:02 <clokep_work> You can only search through a single day a time right now.
20:46:11 <clokep_work> We'd like to be able to index them and have search functionality.
20:46:14 <clokep_work> But we don't currently.
20:46:55 <kkirill> I see, today I was forced to grep json files to find necessary information
20:47:21 <kkirill> at least log files are not in binary format :)
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21:01:45 <clokep_work> kkirill: That's what I usually do.
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21:03:42 <kkirill> lol, very user friendly :)
21:03:52 <clokep_work> I did say we'd like to fix it. ;)
21:04:46 <kkirill> a friend of mine laughed at me, when he saw how I was browsing log :)
21:10:24 <flo-retina> yeah, we really want to fix it! :)
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22:30:08 <flo-retina> clokep: I'm looking at your build system patches
22:30:29 <clokep> flo-retina: Cool. :)
22:32:20 <clokep> flo-retina: Let me know if you have questions although I'm gonna be wandering around my apartment for a bit (although I can' go very far...)
22:50:18 <flo-retina> clokep: the changes in https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/page.cgi?id=splinter.html&bug=955009&attachment=8369234 are non-obvious. How is the case that was returning |return -1;| handled after the patch?
22:53:22 <clokep> flo-retina: My understand was that that case isn't necessary anymore.
22:55:45 <flo-retina> without looking at the whole file, my understanding is that we were relying on this specific case
22:56:06 <flo-retina> I haven't +'ed or -'ed that attachment, I'll need to look more into it
23:00:01 <clokep> Hmm...OK.
23:00:08 <clokep> That was the change I was unsure about, I think the other changes are OK.
23:00:52 <flo-retina> well, you have comments for the other changes
23:01:09 <flo-retina> prpl.py is the only file with 'real' issues
23:01:42 <clokep> OK.
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23:23:34 <clokep> flo-retina: Sorry for some of the commented out statements, it was difficult to keep track of things while merging all my patches and I wanted to get them on the bug instead of in my queue. :)
23:44:49 <clokep> flo-retina: Thanks for the reviews.
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23:55:24 <flo-retina> clokep: you are welcome :)
23:55:35 <clokep> flo-retina: I thanked you by putting up all new patches. ;)
23:55:46 <flo-retina> I saw that
23:56:04 <clokep> Most of the changes were trivial.
23:57:01 <clokep> flo-retina: So do I just have all the rules in prpl.py reverse it seems?
23:57:18 <flo-retina> not all. Most.
23:57:38 <clokep> I'll take another look at it then.
23:57:51 <clokep> Reading the filtering stuff in Makefiles is always confusing for eme. :(