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00:10:44 --> clokep has joined #instantbird 00:10:44 * ChanServ sets mode +o clokep 00:30:37 --> BWMerlin has joined #instantbird 00:33:58 <-- qheaden has quit (Quit: ZNC - http://znc.in) 00:36:14 --> qheaden has joined #instantbird 01:04:50 <-- ivan has quit (Ping timeout) 01:06:14 --> ivan has joined #instantbird 01:34:29 <-- Mook_as has quit (Quit: Mook_as) 02:09:12 <clokep> flo-retina: ping 03:55:54 <-- wnayes has quit (Ping timeout) 03:59:35 --> wnayes has joined #instantbird 05:12:54 <-- clokep has quit (Ping timeout) 05:17:36 <-- wnayes has quit (Quit: wnayes) 05:46:28 <instant-buildbot> build #1753 of macosx-nightly-default is complete: Failure [4failed shell_3] Build details are at http://buildbot.instantbird.org/builders/macosx-nightly-default/builds/1753 06:48:31 <-- chrisccoulson has quit (Quit: OSError: [Errno 130] Owner died) 07:13:26 <flo-retina> clokep: ping at 3am the day before FOSDEM? Bad luck ;) 07:18:26 --> nhnt11 has joined #instantbird 07:24:00 <-- Suiseiseki has quit (Client exited) 07:24:55 <-- qheaden has quit (Quit: Instantbird 1.6a1pre -- http://www.instantbird.com) 07:28:10 <-- nhnt11 has quit (Ping timeout) 07:28:11 --> Suiseiseki has joined #instantbird 07:38:38 <-- flo-retina has quit (Quit: Instantbird 1.6a1pre -- http://www.instantbird.com) 07:42:49 <instant-buildbot> build #1249 of win32-nightly-default is complete: Failure [4failed shell_3] Build details are at http://buildbot.instantbird.org/builders/win32-nightly-default/builds/1249 08:29:40 <-- Tonnes has quit (Ping timeout) 08:30:50 --> Tonnes has joined #instantbird 08:35:14 --> GeKo has joined #instantbird 08:45:58 <-- GeKo has quit (Ping timeout) 08:46:18 --> GeKo has joined #instantbird 09:01:04 --> jb has joined #instantbird 09:20:37 --> nhnt11 has joined #instantbird 09:52:18 <-- nhnt11 has quit (Ping timeout) 10:06:51 --> nhnt11 has joined #instantbird 10:47:32 <-- nhnt11 has quit (Ping timeout) 10:50:35 <-- BWMerlin has quit (Ping timeout) 10:56:08 --> BWMerlin has joined #instantbird 11:23:32 --> aleth has joined #instantbird 11:23:32 * ChanServ sets mode +h aleth 11:34:59 <-- aleth has quit (Ping timeout) 11:35:20 --> aleth has joined #instantbird 11:35:20 * ChanServ sets mode +h aleth 11:39:46 <-- aleth has quit (Ping timeout) 11:39:58 --> aleth has joined #instantbird 11:39:58 * ChanServ sets mode +h aleth 11:49:00 <-- jb has quit (Ping timeout) 12:31:48 --> clokep has joined #instantbird 12:31:48 * ChanServ sets mode +o clokep 12:54:25 <clokep> aleth: I thought we handle if someone changes their nick? Or is that just if a conversation is open we rename the conv? 12:54:44 <aleth> We handle nick changes, but don't link that to the accountbuddies 12:54:55 <aleth> i.e. the accountbuddy doesn't change. 12:55:05 <clokep> OK. :) 12:55:09 <aleth> I'm pretty sure that's the right thing to do. 12:55:21 <clokep> aleth: Did you try it with someone whod oesn't have a totally lowercase nick btw? 12:55:43 <aleth> Otherwise there will be issues like "the account buddy thinks I'm aleth1 but I'm reconnected as aleth" 12:56:14 <aleth> clokep: No, but if there's a normalization issue there it's a separate bug, as it will affect tracking in general 12:57:37 <aleth> i.e. if uppercase letters were an issue, then we would never track those nicks in the first place 12:58:23 <clokep> aleth: I understand that, but I was just asking... 12:58:37 <clokep> I wasn't going to ask you to fix it in this patch. 12:58:41 <clokep> I just wanted to know if it was an issue. 12:58:46 <aleth> TBH I didn't check it because I assumed Mic would have complained by now if it was an issue ;) 12:59:05 <clokep> Ah. 12:59:11 <clokep> Mic is on mybuddy list. 12:59:19 <clokep> And it works for him... 13:01:55 <-- qlum has quit (Ping timeout) 13:02:56 <Tonnes> greetings 13:03:06 <Tonnes> hold on, I'll be nagging for some issue again :) 13:03:18 <Tonnes> 1) bug 953883 - font problem 13:03:22 <instantbot> Bug https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=953883 nor, --, ---, nobody, NEW, Problems with "Sacco-Vanzetti Instantbird" font 13:03:48 <Tonnes> 2) release notes only show up in English for any locale even though localized 13:04:03 <Tonnes> 3) 2013 -> 2014 ? (page bottom) 13:04:35 <clokep> Tonnes: I believe we already told you that we will NOT update the copyright year until we actually update the site. (I.e. there's nothing to copyright in 2014 yet.) 13:04:56 <clokep> Tonnes: Do you have a link that you expect to work for the release notes and doesn't? I think Florian would have to look at this though. 13:04:57 <aleth> flo might know what's up with 2) 13:05:00 <Tonnes> ih I see 13:05:25 <Tonnes> hold on 13:05:40 <Tonnes> http://www.instantbird.com/release-notes.html 13:05:54 <clokep> Tonnes: I know the font looks a little bit funky, but does it really garnish this much hate? I don't think it makes it that hard to read things and frankly there's much more pressing concerns. 13:05:56 <Tonnes> I guess it adapts to the browser locale though 13:06:10 <clokep> What locale at you? 13:06:14 <Tonnes> nl 13:08:00 <Tonnes> It may be personal how one responds to the fonts an dit may look unimportant, but this may vary.. This has been an issue for 3 years, and I personally hate to see the fonts dancing, compared to _any_ other web site.. IMO you are scaring users away and it makes the web site look like a joke.. 13:08:30 <aleth> Would you be interested in providing a patch? 13:08:48 <Tonnes> if I can help, no problem 13:09:18 <clokep> Tonnes: I highly doubt we're scaring users away, I find statements like that to be fear mongering. You seem to be passionate about this, but I have yet to see an alternative suggested. 13:09:32 <clokep> Tonnes: You can add the locale to the URL btw. :) http://www.instantbird.com/nl/release-notes.html 13:09:34 <aleth> Changing something like that usually results in a lot of argument about something non-urgent... which is why it tends to not get much attention 13:09:37 <clokep> But yes, that's not localized. 13:09:43 <Tonnes> I'm not really into coding (despite the technical background), but debugging / slihgt changes may work well 13:10:20 <aleth> Tonnes: I suspect someone will look at it the next time the website as a whole gets a facelift (whenever that is) 13:10:25 <Tonnes> http://www.instantbird.com/nl/release-notes.html shows similar - only the top is localized, What's new and below are not 13:11:20 <clokep> Tonnes: Yeah, looks like you have it all in the right file and stuff too. File a bug please? 13:11:27 <Tonnes> aleth: is is risky / does it need a lot of energy to change to Open sans? 13:11:28 <clokep> I can't look at that, I don't have access to thta box. 13:12:03 <aleth> Tonnes: The risk is that if you change just that, the replacement doesn't look right, so you have to change other things too... 13:12:45 <clokep> Tonnes: IF you have a way to try it and provide some screenshots, that might help. 13:12:46 <aleth> I think I suggested testing OpenSans in the bug, but I haven't tried it. 13:13:02 <Tonnes> ok will file a bug, same cproduct/omponent? (Instantbird servers/other) 13:13:25 <Tonnes> I see (risk) 13:13:42 <clokep> Tonnes: Instantbird Servers / www.instantbird.com 13:13:48 <Tonnes> clokep: try with fonts, you mean? 13:15:35 <Tonnes> yeah I might sound passionate allright :) - I just think that most users are onm Windows, not sure about IB (you probably do), and if the Windows rates are low, I can imagine this is because users get scared away - The other way around: when teh fonts look better on WIndows, chances are the WIndows IB users numbers go up 13:16:16 <clokep> I think most of our users are on Windows. 13:16:24 <Tonnes> it is clearly a Windows issue allright, changing the pref as suggested in the bug works fine, but not many users are willing to do so 13:16:27 <clokep> And honestly, I use Windows and go to the site frequently and never noticed anything with it. 13:16:37 <aleth> Tonnes: It's great you are passionate about it :) It's just that we all have rather long todo lists and are all volunteers... 13:16:58 <Tonnes> I understand, sorry 13:17:43 <aleth> You have nothing to apologize for. 13:17:52 <Tonnes> clokep: well I can imagina people like yuo and me see the site that regulary that they won;t even notice :) - I'm just thinking in First time experience sort of way 13:18:33 <Tonnes> ok, but sometimes I'm afraid I may sound too passionate and me be even become annoying 13:18:49 <aleth> I think clokep's suggestion of a screenshot with a different font would be a good first step in changing this if you are really interested. 13:19:07 <clokep> Tonnes: You also picked an awful time to bring this up last time...we were in the middle of migrating BIO to BMO over the holidays... 13:19:19 <Tonnes> I'm not writing here that often so it might make me a nagger, if the word exist ;) 13:19:24 <Tonnes> ..s 13:21:19 <Tonnes> er.. do you think I can simulate the font change? I mean, it's a server issue allright, so.. or should I just make it use a local font, like Open sans, and it reflects the web site changes 100%? 13:21:26 <aleth> Tonnes: The website files are here http://hg.instantbird.org/websites/www.instantbird.com/ 13:21:41 <Tonnes> ah 13:22:21 <Tonnes> so I can user that locally and let it download another font, right? 13:22:24 <aleth> You download the files, modify them, and open them in your browser (file://...) 13:22:35 <Tonnes> ok 13:23:21 <Tonnes> I'll definetely gie it a try, and file the bug.. right now I'm in a little rush but will try do do all this within the weekend 13:23:25 <Tonnes> s/give 13:23:38 <Tonnes> thanks guys! 13:23:43 <aleth> There's no rush... just wanted to give you some pointers so you could experiment. 13:24:16 <Tonnes> that's great,.. must say I thought about helping out fif I could, never came up to suggest it :) 13:25:01 <Tonnes> catch you later ;) 13:25:58 --> qlum has joined #instantbird 13:38:29 <-- aleth has quit (Ping timeout) 14:12:09 --> jb has joined #instantbird 14:32:38 <-- jb has quit (Ping timeout) 14:33:54 --> jb has joined #instantbird 14:40:21 <-- jb has quit (Ping timeout) 14:40:46 --> jb has joined #instantbird 14:41:23 <-- Tonnes has quit (Connection reset by peer) 14:42:43 --> iamjayakumars has joined #instantbird 14:42:54 --> Tonnes has joined #instantbird 14:51:42 <-- jb has quit (Ping timeout) 14:53:52 --> jb has joined #instantbird 15:06:23 <-- clokep has quit (Quit: Instantbird 1.6a1pre -- http://www.instantbird.com) 15:06:29 --> clokep has joined #instantbird 15:06:29 * ChanServ sets mode +o clokep 15:14:16 <-- jb has quit (Ping timeout) 15:19:19 --> jb has joined #instantbird 15:24:26 --> kaie has joined #instantbird 15:25:52 <-- kaie has left #instantbird (Leaving) 15:26:38 <-- jb has quit (Ping timeout) 15:32:10 --> hadi has joined #instantbird 15:54:00 <-- hadi has quit (Quit: Instantbird 1.5 -- http://www.instantbird.com) 16:01:05 --> jb has joined #instantbird 16:02:43 <-- jb has quit (Ping timeout) 16:18:33 --> jb has joined #instantbird 16:25:39 --> qheaden has joined #instantbird 16:25:50 <qheaden> Hello. 16:31:20 <clokep> Hello qheaden! 16:34:16 --> unghost has joined #instantbird 16:39:36 <qheaden> clokep: I'm not using ZNC anymore. So you will see me go offline at times. 16:39:58 <clokep> qheaden: That's not a problem. ;) 16:40:17 <-- iamjayakumars has quit (Ping timeout) 16:40:28 <-- jb has quit (Ping timeout) 16:40:43 <clokep> qheaden: You thinking of doing GSoC again or will you work your current job? 16:44:44 --> iamjayakumars has joined #instantbird 16:52:20 --> jb has joined #instantbird 16:53:18 <-- BWMerlin has quit (Quit: BWMerlin) 16:58:07 <-- nathanr1 has quit (Ping timeout) 16:58:58 --> nathanr has joined #instantbird 17:01:33 --> jb1 has joined #instantbird 17:01:40 <-- jb has quit (Connection reset by peer) 17:04:02 --> wnayes has joined #instantbird 17:11:25 --> flo-retina has joined #instantbird 17:11:25 * ChanServ sets mode +qo flo-retina flo-retina 17:13:23 <qheaden> clokep: I was away. :P 17:13:43 <qheaden> Unfortunately, I won't be able to do GSoC this year. My work is my current job. 17:13:59 <qheaden> In fact, they have asked me to write some software for them. So, no time. :( 17:14:01 <-- flo-retina has quit (Quit: Instantbird 1.6a1pre -- http://www.instantbird.com) 17:14:32 <qheaden> But since I will be off from school in the summer, I'll use the extra time to do some Ib development in my spare time. 17:14:39 --> flo-retina has joined #instantbird 17:14:40 * ChanServ sets mode +qo flo-retina flo-retina 17:15:13 <clokep> qheaden: That would be neat. :) 17:15:47 <clokep> flo-retina: Any reason that email was sent to team@ and not dev.chat? 17:16:14 <flo-retina> didn't want to share the email of the guy to a public mailing list without asking for his permission; that wouldn't be nice 17:16:32 <flo-retina> it was a private email to me that I'm forwarding 17:16:44 <clokep> Ah, true. :) 17:16:47 <clokep> I mean the information mostly. 17:17:14 <flo-retina> I think that info is mostly needed by any student wanting to work on this for GSoC 17:17:30 <clokep> Cool. 17:18:04 <qheaden> flo-retina: So are you finding GSoC interest? 17:18:11 <flo-retina> trying! 17:18:30 * clokep is talking in #build trying to get the version.h thing figured out 17:18:38 <qheaden> BTW guys, although I don't have time to be a mentor, I can help you guys help students in IRC over the summer. 17:18:40 <flo-retina> qheaden: it's easier to get interested students than mentors. And right now I mostly need the latter. 17:18:55 <flo-retina> clokep: I thought we said we would just check it in and forget the problem? 17:19:12 <flo-retina> clokep: ie. generate it when updating libpurple, rather than when building it. 17:19:15 <clokep> flo-retina: I only intended that to be the temporary solution. 17:19:27 <clokep> So I could work on other stuff. :) 17:19:38 <flo-retina> I don't see a problem with that solution 17:19:51 <qheaden> flo-retina: Is there a proposal/project page up yet for GSoC? 17:20:49 <flo-retina> qheaden: there's a page to suggest ideas (they need to have a mentor associated with them). The official idea list doesn't exist yet; which is the reason why we are collecting ideas now ;) 17:21:13 <clokep> qheaden: For IB: https://etherpad.mozilla.org/ib-gsoc-2014 17:21:56 <qheaden> I would submit "Port Instantbird to Android", but I have no idea how long that would take. 17:22:38 <flo-retina> qheaden: http://blog.queze.net/post/2014/01/24/Project-ideas-for-Summer-of-Code-2014 17:23:15 <qheaden> "Single WIndow UI" looks like something that can be extended from nhnt11's work. 17:23:41 * qheaden likes flo-retina's blog theme. 17:24:03 <clokep> qheaden: Instant messaging doesn't work super well for mobile. 17:24:22 <qheaden> I guess that idea stems from my hate of Hangouts. 17:24:31 <flo-retina> qheaden: persistent TCP sockets are annoying on mobile. 17:24:38 <qheaden> I agree. 17:24:39 <flo-retina> qheaden: they are unreliable _and_ suck the battery 17:25:07 <qheaden> I guess that's the reason I don't run IRC clients on my phone. :P 17:25:36 <flo-retina> I would like a bot based on Ib's core running on my server, and a web UI to see what's up from my phone 17:25:42 <flo-retina> well, that's called a bouncer I guess 17:26:13 <qheaden> Instantbouncer? :P 17:27:04 <clokep> Alright...so...I think next to look at is configure. 17:27:11 <clokep> But I'm not sure what needs to be done w/ that. 17:27:16 * clokep just cleaned up all the patches so the ymake sense. 17:28:13 <flo-retina> sounds like good progress :) 17:30:05 <-- flo-retina has quit (Quit: Instantbird 1.6a1pre -- http://www.instantbird.com) 17:33:16 <-- jb1 has quit (Ping timeout) 17:34:05 * clokep is stuck now. :( 17:56:38 <-- iamjayakumars has quit (Quit: ) 18:02:52 <-- qheaden has quit (Ping timeout) 18:09:12 --> jb has joined #instantbird 18:17:15 <-- clokep has quit (Ping timeout) 18:17:47 --> clokep has joined #instantbird 18:17:48 * ChanServ sets mode +o clokep 18:40:47 <-- jb has quit (Ping timeout) 19:22:40 --> mikk_s has joined #instantbird 19:22:48 <-- mikk_s has left #instantbird () 19:23:58 <-- nathanr has quit (Ping timeout) 19:24:12 --> mconley has joined #instantbird 19:24:46 --> nathanr has joined #instantbird 19:32:51 <-- nathanr has quit (Ping timeout) 19:33:49 --> nathanr has joined #instantbird 19:44:11 <-- nathanr has quit (Ping timeout) 19:45:01 <-- mconley has quit (Quit: Leaving...) 19:45:21 --> nathanr has joined #instantbird 19:47:54 <-- nathanr has quit (Ping timeout) 19:49:19 --> nathanr has joined #instantbird 19:57:44 <-- clokep has quit (Ping timeout) 19:57:56 --> clokep has joined #instantbird 19:57:56 * ChanServ sets mode +o clokep 20:05:01 <-- nathanr has quit (Ping timeout) 20:07:09 --> nathanr has joined #instantbird 20:12:27 <-- nathanr has quit (Ping timeout) 20:13:32 --> nathanr has joined #instantbird 20:18:41 <-- nathanr has quit (Ping timeout) 20:19:46 --> nathanr has joined #instantbird 21:22:36 --> mconley has joined #instantbird 21:27:18 <-- GeKo has quit (Ping timeout) 21:28:36 --> GeKo has joined #instantbird 21:30:05 <-- GeKo has quit (Quit: leaving) 21:34:58 <-- mconley has quit (Input/output error) 22:08:26 <-- clokep has quit (Ping timeout) 22:12:17 --> clokep has joined #instantbird 22:12:17 * ChanServ sets mode +o clokep 22:28:29 --> mconley has joined #instantbird 22:29:24 <-- mconley has quit (Input/output error) 22:29:34 --> mconley has joined #instantbird 22:49:03 --> flo-retina has joined #instantbird 22:49:03 * ChanServ sets mode +qo flo-retina flo-retina 23:29:19 <-- unghost has quit (Quit: Ð£Ñ Ð¾Ð¶Ñ Ñ Ð¾Ñ Ð²Ð°Ñ (xchat 2.4.5 Ð¸Ð»Ð¸ ÑÑÐ°ÑÑÐµ)) 23:30:28 --> rosonline has joined #instantbird 23:42:56 --> qheaden has joined #instantbird