#instantbird log on 01 17 2014

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04:17:38 <instant-buildbot> build #1696 of macosx-nightly-default is complete: Failure [4failed shell_3]  Build details are at http://buildbot.instantbird.org/builders/macosx-nightly-default/builds/1696
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11:29:51 <clokep> Good morning.
11:30:14 <aleth> Hello :)
11:30:51 * aleth wonders what makes Spark "secure"
11:34:32 <aleth> Have you ever looked at Jitsi/its code?
11:38:20 <clokep> No.
11:38:24 <clokep> Is it based on Jitsi?
11:38:36 <clokep> I'm unsure if it just uses XMPP on the backend or if it does something special.
11:38:51 <clokep> Apparently one of my friends is supposed to start using it at work.
11:39:00 <aleth> No, but there seems to be a voice/video chat plugin based on Jitsi
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13:13:51 <aleth> flo-retina: Did you discover why your echo hello wasn't working?
13:14:05 <flo-retina> aleth: no, I didn't have/take time to look into it again last night
13:14:40 <clokep_work> flo-retina: Things you could help w/...look at getting purple to build as an extension. ;)
13:15:40 <flo-retina> clokep_work: I'm sure that would help if I looked into that, yes :-P
13:15:56 <clokep_work> flo-retina: Oops. I meant aleth. :(
13:15:57 <clokep_work> Sorry.
13:16:23 <clokep_work> We should change the color algorithm so it makes #instantbird have good colors. :P
13:16:35 <clokep_work> aleth: Actually if you're totally bored...making links in IRC channels work would be sweet. :-D
13:17:04 <flo-retina> aleth: if he's really bored, I would appreciate completion tests ;)
13:17:04 <aleth> I'm not bored... I just have the impression other stuff is kind of blocked by it ;)
13:17:07 <flo-retina> err, clokep_work
13:17:17 <flo-retina> aleth: the world is blocked! ;)
13:17:56 <clokep_work> aleth: Yes, it is. :-\ I think the current state of the stuff I'm doing now is "how the hell do we convert the prpl-rules.mk and prpl-mk files"
13:19:10 <flo-retina> clokep_work: it shouldn't be terribly difficult once we have a way to do |ifneq (,$(filter $(PROTOCOL),$(STATIC_PRPLS)))| in both the moz.build and the Makefile.in files
13:19:27 <flo-retina> or do you mean 'how do we create a file that all the moz.build files can include?' ?
13:19:41 <clokep_work> flo-retina: I was hoping for the second one, but I doubt we can do that.
13:20:37 * flo-retina isn't sure he understands that answer
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13:38:25 <clokep_work> flo-retina: Can we include something into moz.build that'll run each time?
13:42:54 <flo-retina> I don't know
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14:00:47 <clokep_work> Alright.
14:56:40 <qheaden> Hello everyone.
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15:03:13 <clokep_work> Hello qheaden.
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15:36:06 <clokep_work> qheaden: Thanks for those patches btw. :)
15:57:40 <qheaden> clokep_work: No problem on the patches.
15:57:54 <qheaden> clokep_work: I want to do bigger patches, but I've been busy with work projects.
15:57:58 <qheaden> And other things.
16:00:10 <clokep_work> qheaden: No problem. :) Everything helps.
16:00:17 <qheaden> :)
16:01:36 <flo-retina> I guess we need to find ways to slice bigger stuff into small steps then ;)
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16:07:08 <qheaden> :)
16:07:13 * qheaden has a problem doing that a lot
16:08:04 <flo-retina> so gerv has just mentioned in private messages that he was confused by the complete lack of visual feedback after adding a Jabber contact
16:08:27 <flo-retina> and that the Contacts window's context menu isn't discoverable at all, which makes "show offline contacts" impossible to discover
16:09:20 <clokep_work> flo-retina: I think we've said we'd like the contact to show up and then "go offline" if they're offline, right?
16:09:37 <flo-retina> clokep_work: that would be one solution I guess :)
16:10:26 <flo-retina> clokep_work: for the xmpp case, maybe we could display all contacts that have pending invitation requests, so that the user can delete them if there was a typo / he no longer wants to send a request to that contact
16:10:43 <flo-retina> gerv: is the new contact visible after showing offline contacts?
16:10:48 <gerv> Yes it is.
16:10:53 <flo-retina> :)
16:10:56 <gerv> But I didn't know about that option.
16:11:13 <flo-retina> the tooltip should show that a request is pending, or something (maybe in a not very user friendly way though :-S)
16:11:26 <gerv> Why not just have an "Offline" section
16:11:26 <clokep_work> Ah, I forgot that XMPP has to request approval or whatever.
16:11:30 <gerv> which is always visible?
16:11:35 <gerv> If you don't want to show offline contacts,
16:11:38 <gerv> you can just keep it closed.
16:12:56 <flo-retina> gerv: I think an 'offline' section is the solution we implemented for Thunderbird, where it obviously made sense as the previous sections were sorted by status
16:13:30 <gerv> Anyway, on a call now :-)
16:13:42 <flo-retina> ok, have a nice week-end (after the call(s)) :)
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