#instantbird log on 01 16 2014

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03:08:53 <Disar> Can someone tell me how to receive offline messages?
03:08:57 <Disar> ( facebook )
03:09:17 <clokep> Disar: You can't do it, their XMPP interface doesn't support it.
03:09:46 <Disar> Thats strange, I tried it with a differen app and I did get offline messages
03:09:50 <Disar> different*
03:10:35 <clokep> The different application probably doesn't use the XMPP protocol.
03:10:42 <clokep> It probably uses the native Facebook messaging thing.
03:10:45 <Disar> No I used XMPP explicitely
03:10:57 <Disar> There was no facebook option
03:11:22 * clokep shrugs.
03:11:25 <clokep> Idk then.
03:14:13 <Disar> Even the official facebook messager doesnt always work.
03:14:18 <Disar> Bleh
03:15:05 <clokep> Facebook messenger...isn't super impressive. :-\
03:15:40 <Disar> Well im just looking for a desktop app that gives me offline messages and doesn't desync randomly
03:15:48 <Disar> thought instant bird would be it =[
03:16:15 <clokep> Sorry. :-\ I don't know of any applications that do offline messaging.
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03:48:09 <clokep> flo-retina: Check out https://bitbucket.org/clokep/instantbird-purple and https://bitbucket.org/clokep/comm-central-patches/ for what's going on w/ my purple stuff. I'm trying to get configure to work.
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03:48:55 <clokep> And http://logbot.glob.com.au/?c=mozilla%23maildev&s=15+Jan+2014&e=16+Jan+2014#c122178 for a conversation w/ jcranmer.
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06:56:44 <flo-retina> for the "protocol" variable, we may be able to use the directory name, I think that matches in most (if not all) the cases
06:56:50 <flo-retina> clokep_work: ^^^
06:58:35 <flo-retina> clokep: looking at https://bitbucket.org/clokep/instantbird-purple/commits/ad27d24bbf314dfc1b601b64cb556c6c0e4b0d64 I don't understand why you need aclocal.m4 and the 4 lines in configure.in starting with AC_PREREQ(2.12)
06:59:22 <flo-retina> I also don't understand why jcranmer and you were discussing checking in a(n already pre-processed) configure file
07:08:27 <flo-retina> ah, looks like I was confused between what happens for application specific configure.in files, and what happens for sub-sub-configures
07:08:46 <flo-retina> for the application specific configure.in, the preprocessing happens automatically at http://mxr.mozilla.org/comm-central/source/mozilla/configure.in#4194
07:08:58 <flo-retina> for the subsubconfigure, it looks like it isn't done
07:09:50 <flo-retina> I don't see an obvious reason why we couldn't just copy lines 4193-4198 from mozilla/configure.in to im/configure.in, to have the same behavior of automatically generating the preprocessed file
07:10:32 <instant-buildbot> build #1695 of macosx-nightly-default is complete: Failure [4failed shell_3]  Build details are at http://buildbot.instantbird.org/builders/macosx-nightly-default/builds/1695
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10:09:29 <flo-retina> http://www.theverge.com/2013/12/4/5173726/you-have-too-many-chat-apps-can-layer-connect-them
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11:39:57 <Mic|web> Hi
11:40:02 <Mic|web> How do I run mach?
11:41:22 <Mic|web> There's not even a mozilla-subdir in c-c (re http://log.bezut.info/instantbird/140114/#m302) for me.
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11:42:11 <Mic|web> Wait, forget that.
11:42:51 <Mic|web> I forgot the checkout ;)
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11:50:56 <clokep> flo-retina: I thought of checking that once I went to bed. :)
11:51:02 <clokep> I think that's the best idea, yes.
11:51:24 <clokep> I added the aclocal.m4 and the other lines in configure.in because autoconf was telling me things are undefined (and still are)
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11:55:09 * clokep waits for the bug to be filed to support Layer. ;)
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12:40:09 <Mic|web> My build failed with "Makefile:230: *** Target »instantbird« contains both »:«- and  »::« entries. Exit." :(
12:40:20 <Mic|web> (I translated the message from german by the way)
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12:54:21 <flo-retina> clokep: I like that the first comments on that Layer announcement are about xkcd ;)
12:55:26 <flo-retina> clokep: so is the plan to just ignore autoconf, get rid of this file/these lines, and call m4 ourselves from im/configure.in ?
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13:05:14 <flo-retina> "14:04:29 * clokep_work is frustrated that he can't compile Instantbird from the IB repo, but can't compile libpurple from the c-c repo. :-\"
13:05:29 <flo-retina> clokep_work: I'm frustrated that everybody for the last 2 days seemed to have different compile failures...
13:05:42 <flo-retina> if we were all stuck  on the same reproducible issue we could help each other :(
13:07:49 <clokep_work> flo-retina: Yes. That's frustrating too.
13:08:03 <clokep_work> I understand why I can't compile IB release on my Mac, that's not a big deal to me. :)
13:08:11 <flo-retina> why can't you?
13:09:07 <clokep_work> That version of Mozilla doesn't compile on Mac OS 10.9, IIRC.
13:09:08 <flo-retina> I don't understand that error I had that aleth had too where mach is insulting us at the end of the build, yet saying the build was successful... and objdir/mozilla/dist is empty (or at least objdir/mozilla/dist/Instantbird.app doesn't exist)
13:09:23 <flo-retina> clokep_work: you can easily patch/workaround that
13:10:14 <clokep_work> flo-retina: aleth gave me a patch, but it didn't apply...probably because I already had the IB patches applied.
13:11:06 <flo-retina> can't you trivially unapply that?
13:11:17 <flo-retina> these patches aren't relevant outside of c-c
13:11:26 <aleth> You can also apply directly the patches from the bugs I linked
13:12:49 <flo-retina> clokep_work: I didn't understand what Joshua and you were saying about the repository
13:13:01 <flo-retina> is mozilla-comm something that exists/is relevant/accepts GPL'ed code?
13:14:20 <clokep_work> flo-retina: It's a github repo, What I was saying was "no".
13:14:44 <clokep_work> flo-retina: I don't understand "these patches aren't relevant outside of c-c"
13:14:57 <clokep_work> And yes, I can unapply them.
13:15:01 <flo-retina> clokep_work: I thought you were talking about the patches we used to update the build system for c-c
13:15:03 <clokep_work> But I was at work and ran out of time.
13:15:10 <clokep_work> flo-retina: Oh, no. I'm talking about tools/patches.
13:15:14 <flo-retina> ah
13:15:24 <flo-retina> I don't think these should be a problem
13:15:36 <flo-retina> unless the patch you are trying to apply isn't what I understood
13:18:47 <clokep_work> aleth: Yeah that patchset you gave me doesn't apply.
13:19:08 <clokep_work> I guess I'll try the ones from the bugs...
13:21:20 * aleth wonders if Mic was trying to use make on c-c instead of mach
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13:22:04 <clokep_work> I applied the patches individually.
13:22:42 <flo-retina> aleth: I think make should work
13:25:20 <aleth> flo-retina: mach insults us at the end because it looks for the app file in objdir/dist rather than objdir/mozilla/dist. It might not be wrong (why is the app file in mozilla/dist?)
13:25:42 <clokep_work> aleth: Because we're not in m-c.
13:25:44 <flo-retina> aleth: it's in mozilla/dist because it's c-c
13:25:54 <flo-retina> aleth: so that insult is 'expected'
13:25:58 <aleth> OK
13:26:09 <flo-retina> aleth: the part that isn't expected is that I didn't have anything in mozilla/dist/Instantbird[Debug].app
13:26:22 <aleth> Right, that was the real bug for me too ;)
13:26:35 <flo-retina> it didn't bother me too much as I assumed my various experiments had possibly messed stuff up in my build folder
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13:26:38 <flo-retina> but you seemed to have the same problem
13:26:46 <flo-retina> aleth: how did you fix it?
13:26:51 <flo-retina> deOmega: good morning :)
13:27:21 <deOmega> flo-retina: good morning.  All is well :)
13:27:21 <aleth> I removed the topsrcdir I had set in mozconfig, let it pick its own name, and rebuilt
13:27:39 <aleth> (Clobbering without the mozconfig change did not help)
13:27:41 <flo-retina> I assume you mean objdir
13:27:52 <aleth> Yes
13:27:59 <flo-retina> ok :)
13:28:00 <clokep_work> Sounds like an absolute/relative pathing issue.
13:28:07 <flo-retina> yeah, that one is annoying
13:28:25 <flo-retina> but if it disappears by itself with c-c rework, it's not worth tinkering too much around it
13:29:08 <flo-retina> btw, anybody's got any idea about what I could have messed up in http://pastebin.instantbird.com/538261 ?
13:30:35 <aleth> That's very strange
13:32:04 <flo-retina> that puzzled me enough last night that I gave up and went to sleep. Must be something really silly :)
13:32:08 * aleth wonders why some of the comments are prefixed dnl and some with #
13:32:28 <flo-retina> aleth: interesting remark
13:32:33 <flo-retina> I hope the # comment isn't messing stuff up
13:32:45 <flo-retina> the code didn't work before I commented out that line, but that could have been for a different reason
13:32:56 <flo-retina> aleth: # is the shell script comment character
13:33:04 <flo-retina> aleth: dnl is the m4/autoconf comment sequence
13:33:15 <clokep_work> flo-retina: Doesn't -d check for a directory?
13:33:21 <flo-retina> clokep_work: that's the goal
13:33:31 <clokep_work> But you're catting to a file?
13:34:04 <flo-retina> clokep_work: I'm sending to files in /tmp my debug output, because both stdout and stderr seem to go to /dev/null for sub configures :(
13:34:25 <flo-retina> that's what I said yesterday about debugging shell scripts without debug output being frustrating
13:36:50 <clokep_work> Ah, I see. :-\
13:40:33 * aleth hopes Morian will fix instantbot soon
13:40:43 <flo-retina> aleth: email him?
13:42:33 <aleth> pinging won't work?
13:43:18 <clokep_work> aleth: email instantbot @ instantbird
13:43:29 <clokep_work> He's usually responsive.
13:43:46 <flo-retina> aleth: on gtalk it may work
13:44:03 <flo-retina> aleth: on IRC, I think he's connected from a terminal client in a screen that he usually doesn't connect to
13:44:10 <flo-retina> whois says he's been idle for 112 days ;)
13:44:24 <flo-retina> (ie. he likely rebooted his server 112 days ago ;))
13:56:18 <clokep_work> flo-retina: So how do I run this once a build finishes? :)
13:56:52 <flo-retina> run what?
13:57:46 <flo-retina> objdir/mozilla/dist/Instantbird[Debug].app/Contents/MacOS/instantbird
13:58:00 <clokep_work> Thanks. :)
13:58:06 <flo-retina> or just |open objdir/mozilla/dist/Instantbird[Debug].app|
13:59:08 <aleth> You may get weird errors if you don't cd to that directory before running instantbird
14:02:39 <clokep_work> You shouldn't.
14:02:47 <clokep_work> I used open. ;)
14:22:33 <flo-retina> if I type "/whois FooBar", I get in return a system message saying "foobar is an unknown nickname." is this normalization the expected behavior?
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14:23:33 <flo-retina> aleth: you shouldn't get errors if you start the binary living in the .app without cd'ing into the folder first. But you'll get errors if you try to start the binary from dist/bin instead of the one from dist/Instantbird.app
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14:24:41 <clokep_work> flo-retina: I'm unsure. I'd have to see the messages.
14:25:16 <aleth> flo-retina: There are errors in the error console using the binary living in the app. The app still runs, but clearly can't find everything it needs.
14:26:03 <flo-retina> clokep_work: http://pastebin.instantbird.com/539488
14:26:24 <flo-retina> aleth: in the error console that's just because we aren't done fixing the stuff related to updating Mozilla to trunk
14:26:35 <flo-retina> hmm
14:26:39 <flo-retina> what can't it find?
14:28:32 <aleth> Hmm, now I can't reproduce that anymore (built from c-c)
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14:31:23 <flo-retina> aleth: could have been a missing -purgecaches when restarting after having attempted to try a previous failed build, or something like that
14:31:53 <aleth> flo-retina: Using the build from the old repo, http://pastebin.instantbird.com/539489
14:32:01 <aleth> Further errors would show up if I continued to use it
14:32:07 <aleth> It has nothing to do with purgecaches.
14:32:21 <flo-retina> aleth: what's addons.xpi?
14:32:31 <flo-retina> where's that file?
14:32:33 <aleth> No idea.
14:32:38 <flo-retina> I remember someone mentioned that error before
14:32:54 <flo-retina> IIRC it was unrelated (ie. an incompatible add-on installed globally on the system, or something like that)
14:33:19 <flo-retina> if only we had efficient log search :-/
14:33:33 <aleth> In this case I am using the same profile as before. Just with a different build. The error goes away when cd'ing to the dir first.
14:36:17 <aleth> https://mxr.mozilla.org/mozilla-central/source/toolkit/mozapps/extensions/XPIProvider.jsm#198
14:36:21 * clokep_work used open.
14:36:29 <aleth> open is probably fine.
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14:40:51 <clokep_work> I forgot to add a moz.build file. :(
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15:00:53 <clokep_work> aleth: Thanks. :)
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15:04:21 <flo-retina> clokep_work: I'm not sure about using the superreview flag.
15:05:03 <flo-retina> I think it makes a lot of sense (in that it's a review of the interactions between this piece of the code and everything else in our application), but I don't know if using that flag would have implications/expectations from others outside of our community
15:05:06 * clokep_work is confused what sametime isn't compiling anymore...
15:05:28 <flo-retina> what's the error?
15:05:32 <clokep_work> flo-retina: So...I think I just went to the next row and typed your name in it without reading it...I wanted feedback. :(
15:05:59 <flo-retina> ok, I'll f+ then :)
15:06:02 <clokep_work> flo-retina: http://pastebin.instantbird.com/539540
15:06:40 <flo-retina> clokep_work: that's sipe, not sametime
15:06:59 <clokep_work> flo-retina: Oh, it is...
15:07:00 <clokep_work> :-S
15:07:11 <flo-retina> sipe-cert-crypto-nss.c:150:2: error
15:07:14 <clokep_work> DO you know if that suggestion is correct?
15:07:21 <clokep_work> Yes, you're right. I was reading the lines above it. :) Sorry.
15:08:07 <flo-retina> compiling stuff in parallel often means the output is in inconsistent order
15:08:19 <clokep_work> Right, OK.
15:08:30 <flo-retina> I'm not sure if the suggestion is correct, but it doesn't seem crazy at least :)
15:08:52 <flo-retina> http://mxr.mozilla.org/mozilla-central/source/nsprpub/pr/include/obsolete/protypes.h#151 seems to say it's correct!
15:09:32 <clokep_work> Sweet. Thanks. :)
15:13:36 <clokep_work> Bleh. Things are missing in glib now.
15:13:37 * clokep_work sighs.
15:14:07 <flo-retina> wasn't that an issue you already had before?
15:15:17 <clokep_work> Yeah, but maybe there's something I missed on Mac vs. Windows?
15:16:24 * clokep_work sighs.
15:21:12 <flo-retina> maybe we just never tried it on mac before? ;)
15:24:55 <clokep_work> That's quite likely.
15:25:02 <clokep_work> I need to do real work though.
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15:52:38 <clokep_work> aleth: I want a comment which says " If the user manually requested list using the command, do not check whether auto-listing is enabled"
15:52:43 <clokep_work> But in a sentence that makes sense. ;)
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16:17:52 <aleth> clokep_work: Done.
16:17:59 <clokep_work> Thanks. :)
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16:23:23 <clokep_work> flo-retina: Splinter is so awesome. :)
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16:39:10 <flo-retina> clokep_work: indeed
16:39:19 <flo-retina> clokep_work: that was giving some of the motivation for the merge :)
16:39:33 <flo-retina> (it's also so much better than the github pull request reviews... :))
16:42:49 <clokep_work> I also dislike how pull requests seem to encourage you to just do another commit for review comments.
16:42:52 <clokep_work> I like rebasing...
16:52:53 <flo-retina> it does! then your history is all screwed up
16:53:06 <flo-retina> and the central repository contains only merges of nonsensical branches
16:53:50 <flo-retina> and I also dislike how review comments are automatically hidden as soon as you push another commit to the branch... even if they weren't addressed
16:55:30 <clokep_work> Yeah. :-\
16:55:37 <clokep_work> I dislike a lot of things about github haha.
16:58:37 <flo-retina> s/a lot of things about // for me :)
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17:43:09 <clokep_work> :-D That's about true.
17:47:06 <clokep_work> Any of you guys hear Spark?
17:50:04 <clokep_work> http://www.igniterealtime.org/projects/spark/index.jsp
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21:27:47 <deOmega> hey guys.  quick question'
21:28:05 <deOmega> someone is having a problem with their graphics card where teh text is blrry
21:28:18 <deOmega> there is something that can be turned off in instantbird
21:28:20 <Mook_as> deOmega: ATI?
21:28:23 <deOmega> forgot the name
21:28:26 <deOmega> yes ATI 
21:28:44 <Mook_as> it's trying to do anti-aliasing, go to the video card's prefs and switch it off
21:29:47 <deOmega> Mook_as: thank you very much
21:29:52 <Mook_as> you're welcome
21:29:57 <Mook_as> for reference, http://community.activestate.com/node/7782
21:30:57 <deOmega> thanks!
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