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00:23:01 <-- Mic has quit (Quit: Instantbird -- http://www.instantbird.com) 00:45:12 <-- FireFly_TB has quit (Ping timeout) 00:45:31 --> flo-retina has joined #instantbird 00:45:31 * ChanServ sets mode +qo flo-retina flo-retina 00:46:05 <flo-retina> clokep: I haven't filed any bugs for this 01:02:58 <-- aleth has quit (Ping timeout) 01:03:02 --> aleth has joined #instantbird 01:03:02 * ChanServ sets mode +h aleth 01:04:38 <clokep> flo-retina: OK. I can file it I guess...what is this bug? 01:04:49 <clokep> "Merge Instantbird into comm-central"? What component does that go in? :P 01:07:07 <flo-retina> https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/enter_bug.cgi?product=Instantbird&component=Other 01:07:56 <flo-retina> "Merge Instantbird into comm-central" may not be the best wording to avoid questions ;) 01:08:36 <flo-retina> "Land the IM front-end in comm-central"? :-D 01:12:43 <flo-retina> aleth: does that mean we need another "chat/ merge" bug before landing im/ ? :-S 01:13:41 * clokep hopes not. ;) 01:13:50 <aleth> Yes (though I thought you were aware of this and wanted to do it simultaneously) 01:14:01 <clokep> flo-retina: Do you want each of these patches as a separate attachment? 01:15:20 <clokep> (There'd be 19 :P) 01:17:24 <flo-retina> clokep: isn't there a mercurial add-on to upload a patch queue to a bug? 01:17:58 <clokep> bzexport might allow that. 01:19:40 <clokep> Yeah it can. 01:19:44 <clokep> Do I need a description in this bug? :P 01:20:11 <flo-retina> clokep: yes? :-P 01:20:41 <flo-retina> something about landing chat changes together with changes in both the Ib and the Tb front-end, so having all these parts in the same repo 01:21:42 <flo-retina> also, about avoiding 'chat/ merge' bugs 01:24:20 <flo-retina> clokep: have you added the mac ifndef and the other change in your patch queue? 01:24:30 <clokep> flo-retina: No. 01:24:34 <clokep> Idk what "other change" is. 01:24:44 <flo-retina> :( 01:25:22 * clokep isn't really sure what that face is for. :-\ 01:25:40 <flo-retina> clokep: http://hg.mozilla.org/comm-central/rev/838cfd8efab4 01:25:43 <clokep> I wasn't given a diff or anything of the changes you made. Everything in the pastebinned diff you gave me is included. 01:25:56 <clokep> It was unclear whether that was actually necessary. 01:26:01 <flo-retina> it is! 01:26:21 <clokep> I'll add it now. 01:26:57 <flo-retina> given http://log.bezut.info/instantbird/yesterday#m93 and my next 3 messages, I thought that was clear :-S 01:27:41 <flo-retina> have you handled the missing s/instantbird/im/ ? (I pastebined yesterday the remaining ones that grep found) 01:28:08 <clokep> Yes. 01:28:50 <clokep> flo-retina: It's really difficult to track what changes are being ported from messages in an IRC chat. ;) 01:29:36 <flo-retina> just in case that wasn't explicit, I was talking about these: http://pastebin.instantbird.com/518204 01:29:56 <clokep> I think I have all those, but I'll check again. 01:30:01 <flo-retina> clokep: that's why I'm double checking ;) 01:30:15 <flo-retina> clokep: maybe we should start yet another pad to keep an updated status of this work? 01:30:35 <clokep> flo-retina: Maybe. :) 01:31:39 <flo-retina> clokep: great description for the bug! :) 01:34:36 <clokep> flo-retina: Should the line above that in filter.py also be set to im instead of instantbird? (And purple shold be removed I assume) 01:35:55 <clokep> (There's a bunch of "instantbird" refereneces in that file, which ones do I want to touch?) 01:36:26 <flo-retina> arg 01:36:30 <flo-retina> that file is going to be a PITA 01:36:50 <flo-retina> the "instantbird/" there refers both to path within our code repo, and paths within l10n repos :( 01:38:26 <clokep> That's fun. :) What should I do w/ it for now? 01:38:40 <flo-retina> I don't really know what that file does :( 01:38:54 <clokep> It filters things, clearly. ;) 01:39:01 <flo-retina> clokep: sure ;) 01:40:00 <flo-retina> clokep: ok, don't touch it. 01:40:13 <clokep> flo-retina: OK. :( 01:40:58 <flo-retina> hmm 01:41:31 <flo-retina> I guess the modules in http://lxr.instantbird.org/instantbird/source/instantbird/locales/filter.py#8 are expected to match things listed in http://lxr.instantbird.org/instantbird/source/instantbird/locales/l10n.ini#8 01:41:36 <-- aleth has quit (Ping timeout) 01:41:58 <flo-retina> I'm not sure of what l10n.ini does though 01:42:05 <flo-retina> these paths _may_ be inside l10n repos 01:42:46 <flo-retina> yes, they are 01:43:07 <flo-retina> ok, so don't touch im/locales/l10n.ini either 01:43:34 <flo-retina> clokep: only the first 3 lines of my pastebin (http://pastebin.instantbird.com/518204) made sense then. Sorry for the noise. 01:44:31 <clokep> OK. 01:44:51 <flo-retina> I think we'll need a follow-up to figure out our l10n story 01:44:52 --> mconley has joined #instantbird 01:45:10 <flo-retina> but we'll need follow-ups and plenty of discussion just to decide how we do nightlies, and then how we do releases ;) 01:45:46 <flo-retina> ooh, mconley is in France :) 01:45:58 <mconley> :D 01:46:14 <mconley> and jetlagged like crazy. What's YOUR excuse for still being up? :D 01:46:24 <flo-retina> do I need one? 01:46:36 <clokep> https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=728117 :( 01:46:47 <mconley> heh 01:47:54 <flo-retina> mconley: I guess my excuse is discussing Ib stuff ;) 01:48:06 <mconley> good excuse 01:48:50 <flo-retina> so you are here for 2 weeks? 01:49:03 * clokep wonders if you guys have met before. 01:49:13 <mconley> we have! 01:49:29 <mconley> flo-retina: yeah, first week I'm vacationing here with my gf, second week for work 01:49:42 <mconley> flo-retina: any suggestions / recommendations? 01:50:31 <flo-retina> not really, I assume people from the paris office may have more useful recommendations than I could have (assuming you are in Paris). 01:51:50 <-- mconley has quit (Connection reset by peer) 01:52:04 --> mconley has joined #instantbird 01:53:21 <clokep> There's some museums and stuff. ;) Eat lots of croissants? 01:53:26 <clokep> That was mostly my trip to Paris. 01:53:44 <flo-retina> clokep: but yours was shorter than a week ;) 01:53:54 <clokep> Yes, it was 3 days. I think. 01:54:07 <flo-retina> clokep: also "visit a moz space" ;) 01:54:24 <mconley> :D 01:54:26 <mconley> cool 01:54:28 <mconley> thanks 01:55:30 <clokep> flo-retina: Your about to get review spammed. 01:55:42 <flo-retina> clokep: time to hide then, good night :-P. 01:56:04 <flo-retina> clokep: although I doubt I could get more bugspam than last week ;) 01:56:57 <-- mconley has quit (Connection reset by peer) 01:57:10 --> mconley has joined #instantbird 02:00:41 <-- mconley has quit (Connection reset by peer) 02:02:44 --> mconley has joined #instantbird 02:09:53 --> mconley_ has joined #instantbird 02:09:54 <-- mconley has quit (Ping timeout) 02:14:01 --> FireFly_TB has joined #instantbird 02:14:41 <-- GeekShadow has quit (Ping timeout) 02:14:43 --> GeekShadow has joined #instantbird 02:16:36 <-- FireFly_TB has quit (Ping timeout) 02:16:44 <-- mconley_ has quit (Connection reset by peer) 02:17:06 --> mconley has joined #instantbird 02:20:06 <-- clokep has quit (Quit: Instantbird 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flo-retina flo-retina 09:34:02 <-- hadi has quit (Quit: Instantbird 1.5 -- http://www.instantbird.com) 09:53:19 --> GeKo has joined #instantbird 09:56:43 <-- flo-retina has quit (Ping timeout) 10:01:00 --> flo-retina has joined #instantbird 10:01:00 * ChanServ sets mode +qo flo-retina flo-retina 10:12:12 <-- flo-retina has quit (Ping timeout) 10:13:17 --> flo-retina has joined #instantbird 10:13:17 * ChanServ sets mode +qo flo-retina flo-retina 10:15:31 <-- flo-retina has quit (Ping timeout) 10:16:55 --> flo-retina has joined #instantbird 10:16:55 * ChanServ sets mode +qo flo-retina flo-retina 10:31:37 <-- flo-retina has quit (Ping timeout) 10:34:28 --> flo-retina has joined #instantbird 10:34:28 * ChanServ sets mode +qo flo-retina flo-retina 10:35:32 <-- flo-retina has quit (Quit: Instantbird 1.6a1pre -- http://www.instantbird.com) 11:05:09 --> flo-retina has joined #instantbird 11:05:09 * ChanServ sets mode +qo flo-retina flo-retina 11:05:55 <flo-retina> the latest mac update is broken :-/ 11:06:02 <flo-retina> and that causes all new nightlies to fail 11:20:57 <-- FireFly_TB has quit (Ping timeout) 11:22:14 --> clokep has joined #instantbird 11:22:14 * ChanServ sets mode +o clokep 11:31:48 <-- flo-retina has quit (Ping timeout) 11:32:07 --> flo-retina has joined #instantbird 11:32:07 * ChanServ sets mode +qo flo-retina flo-retina 11:49:36 * clokep wonders if flo-retina has looked at all those reviews yet. ;) 11:49:48 <flo-retina> I haven't 11:50:36 <flo-retina> maybe if I have a long meeting? ;) 11:57:09 <clokep> Haha. OK. :) 11:57:20 <-- clokep has quit (Quit: Instantbird 1.6a1pre -- http://www.instantbird.com) 12:18:16 <-- flo-retina has quit (Ping timeout) 12:18:51 --> flo-retina has joined #instantbird 12:18:51 * ChanServ sets mode +qo flo-retina flo-retina 12:22:01 <-- flo-retina has quit (Ping timeout) 12:22:12 --> flo-retina has joined #instantbird 12:22:12 * ChanServ sets mode +qo flo-retina flo-retina 12:38:32 <-- dew has quit (Ping timeout) 12:42:54 <-- wnayes has quit (Ping timeout) 12:46:00 <-- flo-retina has quit (Ping timeout) 12:46:04 --> flo-retina has joined #instantbird 12:46:05 * ChanServ sets mode +qo flo-retina flo-retina 12:46:29 --> wnayes has joined #instantbird 12:48:16 <-- flo-retina has quit (Ping timeout) 12:48:37 --> flo-retina has joined #instantbird 12:48:37 * ChanServ sets mode +qo flo-retina flo-retina 12:49:20 <-- BWMerlin has quit (Quit: BWMerlin) 12:52:55 <-- flo-retina has quit (Ping timeout) 12:54:13 --> flo-retina has joined #instantbird 12:54:13 * ChanServ sets mode +qo flo-retina flo-retina 12:56:06 --> clokep_work has joined #instantbird 12:58:46 <-- GeKo has quit (Ping timeout) 12:59:02 --> GeKo has joined #instantbird 13:06:44 <-- wnayes has quit (Ping timeout) 13:07:33 --> deOmega has joined #instantbird 13:10:24 --> wnayes has joined #instantbird 13:10:45 <-- flo-retina has quit (Ping timeout) 13:10:51 <qheaden> Hello everyone. 13:13:20 --> flo-retina has joined #instantbird 13:13:20 * ChanServ sets mode +qo flo-retina flo-retina 13:17:11 <-- flo-retina has quit (Ping timeout) 13:18:06 --> flo-retina has joined #instantbird 13:18:06 * ChanServ sets mode +qo flo-retina flo-retina 13:20:18 <-- flo-retina has quit (Ping timeout) 13:21:13 --> mikk_s has joined #instantbird 13:21:34 --> flo-retina has joined #instantbird 13:21:34 * ChanServ sets mode +qo flo-retina flo-retina 13:22:58 <clokep_work> Is lxr running slow for anyone else? 13:24:09 <flo-retina> ntpd(?!?) is sucking a lot of CPU 13:27:43 <clokep_work> flo-retina: Did you read https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=956694 ? 13:27:51 * clokep_work had been wondering how long before someone freaked out about that. 13:27:55 <flo-retina> yes 13:28:25 <flo-retina> it seems to be a relatively simple request for enhancement, wrapped with rambling to make it sound dramatic 13:29:58 * flo-retina wonders who is having fun attacking that poor server 13:37:38 <clokep_work> What's the request? 13:37:46 <clokep_work> Pop up a modal dialogue when you receive an invite? ;) 13:39:29 <flo-retina> clokep_work: we could open the tab, but join it only after the user presses enter, or something 13:40:09 <flo-retina> I can't remember if invites to password protected channels work or not 13:41:06 <-- mikk_s has left #instantbird () 13:58:42 --> hadi has joined #instantbird 14:01:06 <clokep_work> flo-retina: I don't remember either. Easy enough to test if we want to. 14:01:16 <clokep_work> flo-retina: This is also with Thunderbird, not Instantbird. ;) 14:01:44 <flo-retina> these 2 are close enough ;) 14:02:26 --> jb has joined #instantbird 14:02:56 <flo-retina> I remember having trouble inviting Gerv to #ib-private, but I can't remember if it's something we fixed long ago and that was just a problem of the 1.4 version, or if it still needs to be investigated 14:16:52 <clokep_work> Fair enough. :) 14:17:01 <clokep_work> I want to say we fixed that, but I don't remember. Sorry. :-\ 14:17:25 <clokep_work> Has anyone made a BMO search that searches Instantbird stuff? :) 14:18:07 <flo-retina> I haven't (yet) 14:21:51 <-- flo-retina has quit (Ping timeout) 14:24:28 --> flo-retina has joined #instantbird 14:24:28 * ChanServ sets mode +qo flo-retina flo-retina 14:28:21 <clokep_work> Bah that's guy is annoying. 14:30:01 * clokep_work has nothing to say to his newest comment. 14:30:18 <-- clokep_work has quit (Quit: http://www.mibbit.com ajax IRC Client) 14:33:28 --> clokep_work has joined #instantbird 14:33:44 <flo-retina> clokep: is this the "what about auto-K-Lining channels" comment? 14:34:30 <clokep_work> Yeah. 14:34:31 <clokep_work> I replied. 14:44:27 <-- jb has quit (Ping timeout) 14:48:05 <-- GeKo has quit (Input/output error) 14:50:02 --> jb has joined #instantbird 14:53:14 --> GeKo has joined #instantbird 15:05:58 --> Mic has joined #instantbird 15:06:20 <-- ivan has quit (Ping timeout) 15:06:59 <-- GeKo has quit (Ping timeout) 15:07:20 <-- Gizmokid2005 has quit (Ping timeout) 15:07:20 --> GeKo has joined #instantbird 15:10:15 --> Gizmokid2005 has joined #instantbird 15:10:44 <-- mrphs has quit (Ping timeout) 15:11:02 --> mrphs has joined #instantbird 15:14:54 <-- Gizmokid2005 has quit (Ping timeout) 15:16:55 <-- swills has left #instantbird () 15:18:11 <-- Mic has quit (Quit: Instantbird -- http://www.instantbird.com) 15:19:01 --> Gizmokid2005 has joined #instantbird 15:21:12 <-- Gizmokid2005 has quit (Ping timeout) 15:23:02 --> Gizmokid2005 has joined #instantbird 15:24:41 <-- Gizmokid2005 has quit (Ping timeout) 15:25:24 --> Gizmokid2005 has joined #instantbird 15:27:16 <-- Gizmokid2005 has quit (Ping timeout) 15:30:32 --> Gizmokid2005 has joined #instantbird 16:05:20 --> FireFly_TB has joined #instantbird 16:22:07 <-- jb has quit (Ping timeout) 16:28:21 <-- FireFly_TB has quit (Ping timeout) 16:31:41 --> FireFly_TB has joined #instantbird 16:46:08 <-- gerard-majax__ has quit (Ping timeout) 16:47:06 <nathanr> has anyone worked on a solution to be able to see where you've been mentioned when you come back after a few hours? 16:50:29 <clokep_work> nathanr: That's fully supported already. 16:50:36 <nathanr> clokep_work: how? 16:53:19 <clokep_work> nathanr: I think it's page up? 16:53:25 * clokep_work always forgets the hotkeys. 16:53:43 <nathanr> hmm page up just does what its meant to do - scrolls up a page 16:54:09 <clokep_work> nathanr: https://wiki.instantbird.org/Keyboard_shortcuts 16:54:21 <clokep_work> Alt+Page up, it looks like. 16:54:45 <nathanr> ah I see 16:54:53 <clokep_work> Although "Sections are the beginning and end of the conversation, the first non-context message, and the unread messages ruler when it exists" makes it sound like those might not be included. 16:55:25 <flo-retina> I don't think pings are included in section scrolling (yet?) 16:55:34 <flo-retina> (that's a question for aleth ;)) 16:56:42 <nathanr> nah doesnt seem to be 16:57:15 <nathanr> btw it'd be really helpful if some of these things were in popupmenu's as well (keyboard shortcuts are not very discoverable) 16:57:19 <nathanr> particularly the log viewer 16:59:07 <clokep_work> The log viewer is in the context menu already. 17:00:21 <clokep_work> (Right click on the tab, it's in there somewhere.) 17:00:33 <nathanr> ah I see 17:01:54 <clokep_work> Looks like I broke Thunderbird's auto-join, yay. 17:02:00 <clokep_work> (Well changing the auto-join pref.) 17:03:58 <-- flo-retina has quit (Ping timeout) 17:04:07 --> flo-retina has joined #instantbird 17:04:07 * ChanServ sets mode +qo flo-retina flo-retina 17:14:21 --> Mook_as has joined #instantbird 17:15:34 <-- FireFly_TB has quit (Ping timeout) 17:20:49 --> gerard-majax__ has joined #instantbird 17:24:04 <-- hadi has quit (Quit: Instantbird 1.5 -- http://www.instantbird.com) 17:25:11 <-- gerard-majax__ has quit (Ping timeout) 17:28:53 --> hadi has joined #instantbird 17:35:00 --> gerard-majax__ has joined #instantbird 17:43:17 --> aleth has joined #instantbird 17:43:17 * ChanServ sets mode +h aleth 17:48:47 <-- flo-retina has quit (Quit: Instantbird 1.6a1pre -- http://www.instantbird.com) 17:54:27 <-- gerard-majax__ has quit (Ping timeout) 18:00:12 --> gerard-majax__ has joined #instantbird 18:01:18 <-- gerard-majax__ has quit (Max SendQ exceeded) 18:01:54 --> gerard-majax__ has joined #instantbird 18:03:13 <-- gerard-majax__ has quit (Max SendQ exceeded) 18:04:09 --> gerard-majax__ has joined #instantbird 18:12:11 --> mconley has joined #instantbird 18:18:26 <-- gerard-majax__ has quit (Ping timeout) 18:22:37 <-- hadi has quit (Quit: Instantbird 1.5 -- http://www.instantbird.com) 18:23:28 <aleth> flo: What's the story with contacts in TB? In particular, why are the existing contact tooltips simpler than the IB ones and only show the preferredBuddy? 18:42:28 <-- aleth has quit (Quit: exit stage left) 18:51:23 --> Mic has joined #instantbird 18:51:58 <Mic> Good evening! 18:53:13 <Mic> nathanr: when the input box of a conversation is empty, then the navigation keys are forwarded to the conversation view, i.e. you can navigate with up/down,page up/down, Home, End, without having to move the focus there. 18:53:47 <Mic> I think I never really used the shortcuts that require a modifier... 18:54:04 <nathanr> Mic: yeah I noticed that :) But it doesnt really help me to locate my name being mentioned 18:54:05 <Mic> *navigation shortcuts 18:54:26 <Mic> Yes, we should do something with pings. 18:55:08 <nathanr> personally I'd really like a small window that shows all your mentions (if there are, say, more than 3) so that after being afk for a night you can easily browse and review your mentions 18:55:23 <nathanr> I might have a go at it myself once I scratch that single window mode itch 18:55:30 <Mic> Do you know if there's a bug about that already? If not, would you file one? :) 18:56:09 <Mic> (i.e. one for "navigate to mentions easily", whatever the solution will turn out to be then) 18:56:50 <nathanr> havent checked yet, will have a look once I've had my lunch 18:57:17 <Mic> https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=954814#c4 18:58:12 <nathanr> ah nice :) though that still doesnt really help much if you've had several mentions (I'd imagine it to be a bit cumbersome to check multiple mentions with section scroll) 18:58:46 <nathanr> seems they're kind of touching on that already in the comments 18:59:33 <nathanr> I'll weigh in on the ticket 19:05:27 <clokep_work> We have lots of bugs and ideas and not enough time to implement them all. ;) 19:12:25 <-- clokep_work has quit (Quit: http://www.mibbit.com ajax IRC Client) 19:17:00 --> clokep_work has joined #instantbird 19:19:49 --> jb has joined #instantbird 19:19:59 <nathanr> clokep_work: sounds familiar :p 19:23:50 <clokep_work> :) 19:25:12 --> EionRobb has joined #instantbird 19:38:23 --> gerard-majax__ has joined #instantbird 19:44:06 --> dew has joined #instantbird 19:49:12 <-- Mic has quit (Quit: Instantbird -- http://www.instantbird.com) 19:54:55 --> flo-retina has joined #instantbird 19:54:55 * ChanServ sets mode +qo flo-retina flo-retina 20:03:40 <flo-retina> aleth: TB doesn't have any UI to merge buddies into contacts. To all contacts displayed by Tb are composed of a single buddy. 20:06:11 <flo-retina> nathanr: have you explained somewhere what your "all in one window" itch is exactly? 20:06:33 <flo-retina> I'm especially curious to know if the awesome tab helped, or if you really want the list of contacts displayed all the time. 20:10:08 --> rosonline has joined #instantbird 20:19:07 <-- chrisccoulson has quit (Quit: OSError: [Errno 130] Owner died) 20:22:37 <nathanr> flo-retina: basically this - https://wiki.instantbird.org/Instantbird:extension_wish_list#Contacts_window 20:22:43 <nathanr> the radical approach version 20:23:11 <nathanr> I love the awesome tab, I'm looking to integrate it permanently on the left of my chat window as a replacement for the tabs 20:23:15 <nathanr> and with some added tweaks 20:23:20 <nathanr> (sorting, indicators) 20:23:21 <clokep_work> nathanr: I think flo-retina asked why. ;) 20:23:36 <nathanr> why what? 20:25:40 <clokep_work> What issue are you trying to solve, I think is what he's interested in. 20:25:53 <clokep_work> What do you mean by sorting / indicators, btw? 20:40:57 <nathanr> no issue, just UX improvements (for my personal tastes) 20:41:16 <nathanr> sorting as in I'd like to sort them by the last conversation that I was active in 20:41:34 <nathanr> and indicators, eg. nr of mentions, nr of messages since I last checked there 20:42:22 <nathanr> I'll spend some time tonight to file enhancements that I'd personally like to see, just to ensure I won't be working on something in my spare time that is already being worked on 20:42:37 <nathanr> but they're mostly very subjective, I don't expect you to implement them all natively 20:50:23 <clokep_work> We already give mentions/messages since last checked in the on hold list. ;) 20:51:23 <flo-retina> "indicators, eg. nr of mentions, nr of messages since I last checked there" are things the awesometab should do 20:51:49 <flo-retina> clokep_work: yes, but there's no reason for the awesome tab to show less info than the list of convs on hold 20:56:03 <nathanr> hmm I dont see anything indicating nr of messages since I last checked 20:56:08 <nathanr> is that on 1.5? 20:56:24 <flo-retina> nathanr: it's only on the "conversations on hold" section of the contacts window 20:56:36 <nathanr> ah, I was talking about the awesome tab 20:56:46 <flo-retina> nathanr: I'm saying we should also show it on the awesometab "switch to conversation" items. 20:57:00 <nathanr> right, thats what I was saying as well, got confused :) 20:58:02 <flo-retina> no problem, I was just saying that's something that can be done by default; if you want to make it work, a patch will be accepted, you don't have to make it an add-on 21:04:35 <-- deOmega has quit (Quit: So easy.. but it is complicated.) 21:04:54 <nathanr> cool, will keep that in mind :) 21:05:27 <flo-retina> nathanr: at some point I considered making an "all in one window" mode part of the default build 21:05:37 <nathanr> next weekend I'll try and get a linux build running 21:05:42 <flo-retina> but that wouldn't replace the current UI, just be a checkbox somewhere 21:05:59 <flo-retina> it would probably need to be tested in an add-on before deciding how that UX should work though 21:06:02 <nathanr> flo-retina: yeah that's how I imagine it too 21:06:29 <nathanr> I'd basically make an overlay that wraps the chat window and the awesome tab 21:06:51 <nathanr> ie. awesome tab as a sidebar on the left of the chat window 21:06:58 <flo-retina> the awesome tab is already part of the chat window 21:07:05 <nathanr> right but as a tab 21:07:13 <nathanr> I'd like to use it as an alternative to tabs 21:07:38 <nathanr> akin to http://cdn.macrumors.com/article-new/2012/06/messages_mountain_lion.jpg 21:08:34 <flo-retina> that's a mix of vertical tabs, and the awesometab 21:09:02 <nathanr> right 21:09:23 <nathanr> but I think it's easier to bring some of the functions of the vertical tabs to the awesometab than the other way around 21:10:08 <flo-retina> I don't really know 21:10:28 <flo-retina> IIRC we've already had two "all in one" experiments. 21:10:42 <nathanr> right, yours and Mooks 21:10:54 <-- GeKo has quit (Quit: leaving) 21:11:00 <flo-retina> One was putting the buddy list in the chat window (the awesome tab didn't exist at the time), and the other put conversation bindings in the buddy list 21:11:15 <nathanr> I'm just making an addon for what I'd personally like to see though, from there you can see if it's something you'd like to integrate in some way, but that's not my main objective 21:11:40 <flo-retina> nathanr: sure, make it work well for you first :) 21:12:07 <nathanr> yep :) 21:12:16 --> Mic has joined #instantbird 21:16:18 <-- gerard-majax__ has quit (Ping timeout) 21:21:34 <Mook_as> nathanr: can I get CCed on your extension development? :p 21:21:51 <nathanr> Mook_as: lol sure thing 21:22:51 <nathanr> I'm targeting Instantbird though, not sure how well that translates to TB 21:23:28 <Mook_as> don't care, the only reason I'm using TB is single window mode 21:23:36 <Mook_as> so if your thing works, I can easily switch back 21:23:58 <nathanr> ok 21:24:10 <nathanr> you can already kind of use single window mode with awesome tab 21:24:23 <nathanr> I dont use the contact list myself, just awesome tab 21:24:29 <flo-retina> :) 21:24:40 <flo-retina> I would like to no longer need the contacts window 21:25:25 <nathanr> I only need it on Linux to access the menubar :p 21:25:30 <flo-retina> the things that are missing: unread message count (already discussed), showing the status of some contacts (when there's someone I know I need to talk to, and I'm checking several times a day until I see him 'available') 21:26:00 <flo-retina> nathanr: if you are using something like unity that has the menubar at the top, maybe you can get the menubar in the conv window too? 21:26:06 <nathanr> and conversations on hold ? 21:26:37 <nathanr> I'm on elementary-os so no dice there, but no matter to me personally - I only use it on linux for development 21:26:44 <flo-retina> the only reason for needing to look at them is to see if there's unread stuff I may want to read; the awesome tab could do that 21:26:45 <nathanr> my main instance is on OSX 21:26:56 <flo-retina> ok :) 21:27:06 <nathanr> yeah I suppose so, but you'd probably still want to group them together somehow 21:27:15 <flo-retina> the top area with the display name and status could be moved/copied to another window (eg. the account window, like Thunderbird does) 21:27:44 <flo-retina> they are mostly IRC channels for which I want to have scrollback if someone ever pings me ;). 21:27:51 <flo-retina> so usually I don't need to see them. 21:28:03 <nathanr> I just got rid of it entirely, I personally have no need for it - though I was thinking of just adding a simple icon at the top right window if the chat window to access some of the hidden stuff (well the stuff I have hidden) 21:29:14 <flo-retina> to address the "I need to talk to ... once he's available" case, it may be interesting to have a feature/add-on that speculatively opens conversation tabs 21:29:33 <nathanr> that sounds like it could be really annoying 21:29:36 <flo-retina> maybe the tab would have reduced opacity to show that it's just a suggestion 21:29:48 <nathanr> unless its explicitly set by the end-user 21:29:59 <flo-retina> nathanr: it would have to be set explicitly, yes 21:30:31 <-- clokep_work has quit (Quit: http://www.mibbit.com ajax IRC Client) 21:30:32 <flo-retina> Pidgin has something called "buddy pounce". The UI is awful, but there's a real (set of) use case(s) there. 21:30:56 <nathanr> "pidgin and UI is awful" go hand in hand :p 21:32:49 <Mook_as> roughly, IRC's /watch ? 21:32:57 <flo-retina> Mook_as: what's that? 21:33:16 <Mook_as> *pretty sure* (in chatzilla at least) it gives you a message when the given user's online 21:34:07 <flo-retina> Mook_as: well, chatzilla's UI is... meh :-P 21:34:38 <Mook_as> sure, I'm not saying we should copy that UI :p 21:35:42 <Mic> flo-retina: maybe replace the "Start conversation" menu item with "Notify me when this contact signs on" when it's not possible to start one? 21:36:12 <nathanr> hm, does Instantbird not leave offline messages? 21:36:15 --> Even has joined #instantbird 21:36:15 * ChanServ sets mode +o Even 21:36:15 <nathanr> cause it would break that 21:37:17 <flo-retina> Mic: I'm not interested about the "not possible to start a conv" problem, but about "contact unlikely to reply" 21:37:32 <flo-retina> I want to see when he's available (ie !away, not !offline) 21:40:04 <Mic> Will that really work well with the way that other people use their statuses? ;) 21:42:14 <flo-retina> bah... 21:50:12 <-- mconley has quit (Input/output error) 22:01:54 --> chrisccoulson has joined #instantbird 22:21:17 <-- Suiseiseki has quit (Ping timeout) 22:28:41 <-- Mic has quit (Quit: Instantbird -- http://www.instantbird.com) 22:32:58 --> hadi has joined #instantbird 22:33:26 --> Suiseiseki has joined #instantbird 22:43:30 --> aleth has joined #instantbird 22:43:31 * ChanServ sets mode +h aleth 22:51:08 <-- jb has quit (Quit: jb) 22:54:50 --> jb has joined #instantbird 23:22:48 <-- rosonline has quit (Quit: Instantbird 1.5 -- http://www.instantbird.com) 23:32:59 --> clokep has joined #instantbird 23:32:59 * ChanServ sets mode +o clokep 23:50:06 <-- aleth has quit (Quit: exit stage left) 23:56:23 <-- clokep has quit (Ping timeout)