#instantbird log on 12 28 2013

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08:18:07 <nhnt11> Hi!
08:18:35 <nhnt11> I hope everyone had a merry Christmas :)
08:19:25 * nhnt11 looks at the log and tries to figure out what the status is on the bz merge
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10:17:01 <flo-retina> nhnt11: hello :)
10:17:12 <flo-retina> the BIO import still needs work
10:17:33 <flo-retina> if things go reasonably well, I think we could finish tomorrow evening.
10:18:02 <flo-retina> we still need to do some fixes in the code, and then I would like to run another full test on bugzilla-dev.allizom.org
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11:50:13 <flo-retina> interesting comparison: http://www.yetanothertechblog.com/2013/12/27/l10n-string-length-and-verbosity-across-languages/ :)
12:02:18 <qlum> I think a big problem for locales is that they often overtranslate and try to emulate english as much as possible, or at least that is something I see when looking at most dutch translations
12:03:33 <flo-retina> I also see that when using Instantbird in French
12:03:41 <flo-retina> some strings feel like translated English
12:04:07 <qlum> this is why I usually stick to english
12:04:31 <flo-retina> I think I should use French more, so that the mis translated strings annoy me enough that I start fixing them ;)
12:04:48 <flo-retina> qlum: I think you could also suggest improvements to the translation in your locale ;)
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12:10:48 <qlum> maybe at some point, for now I am just glad my bouncer works
12:10:55 <qlum> though I do see one minor issue
12:11:56 <qlum> since I use it on 9 nets and for each net I have 1 account and I always use the same username I now have 9 accounts with the same name under accounts
12:12:08 <qlum> as they are always qlum@(my ip)
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13:47:41 <flo-retina> qlum: you mean all the accounts look exactly the same in Instantbird's account manager?
13:47:52 <qlum> yup
13:47:55 <flo-retina> How does the bouncer differentiate between them then?
13:48:26 <qlum> server username and password
13:48:35 <qlum> something you need to add in about:config
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13:49:13 <qlum> username is basically the username I have on the bouncer / the network name and the password is just the password for my account on the bouncer
13:49:31 <flo-retina> qlum: I'm asking because we have a patch in progress to prevent users from adding duplicate accounts
13:49:39 <flo-retina> and it seems this will be in the way of your current workflow
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13:50:35 <qlum> it would surely break things
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13:51:02 <flo-retina> so I guess we need to figure out something better for your use case
13:51:08 <qlum> even if it doesn't detect edited configs in about: config as duplicate it would still make it hard to make new accoutns
13:51:13 <flo-retina> (the current behavior doesn't seem to be what you want anyway)
13:51:33 <qlum> maybe make it a warning
13:52:07 <qlum> in stead of a block
13:52:12 <flo-retina> qlum: no, we really don't want duplicate accounts; they can cause plenty of subtle issues
13:52:29 <flo-retina> eg all the accounts will the same name will write their logs in the same folder
13:53:27 <qlum> separate account name from the address where it connects to?
13:54:17 <qlum> as that could also help editing the server it connects to without having to go into about:config or recreating the account
13:55:53 <qlum> on irc adding an account name field above nick and server
13:57:33 <qlum> and basing stuff like log folders on that name
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14:13:26 <Mic-Linux> qlum: what would you think about solving this using entries in your hosts file, redirecting e.g. irc.mozilla.org to your znc bouncer?
14:14:04 <Mic-Linux> This way you could use e.g. "irc.mozilla.org" in your account name instead of your bouncers IP and they'd all be unique.
14:15:04 <qlum> I don't think that would work
14:15:34 <Mic-Linux> I don't have a bouncer, so I can't try myself :(
14:16:55 <qlum> well it would technically work but the problem would be that you can't use irc.mozilla.org without your bouncer if you do that
14:17:42 <flo-retina> are you using it both with and without bouncer?
14:18:12 <qlum> not at the moment but if for whatever reason I can't use the bouncer I want to be able to fall back
14:18:47 <Mic-Linux> qlum: use a fake name then?
14:19:03 <Mic-Linux> <moznet IP> moznet.qlum.znc
14:19:09 <Mic-Linux> Or whatever...?
14:19:16 <qlum> and considering I already found one other report about problems with my bouncer on bugzilla it would make it even more complicated to use bouncers
14:19:58 <qlum> and yes it would work
14:20:03 <qlum> most likely
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14:21:04 <TestMic> Hello from TestMic@moznet.irc ;)
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14:22:58 * flo-retina wonders if we should create a bouncer that actually works :-D
14:24:07 <qlum> And yet the bouncer works on all other irc clients
14:24:47 <qlum> even works on pidgin
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14:45:32 * nhnt11 just noticed "'Cause witches can also type!"
14:51:15 <hadi> does instantbird support DCC?
14:55:25 <flo-retina> nhnt11: oh, so you are using a release now? :)
14:55:45 <flo-retina> hadi: not yet.
14:55:58 <nhnt11> I've been using 1.5 since it came out :)
14:56:01 <hadi> flo-retina: oh ok
14:56:17 <nhnt11> The nightlies have "geeks can do magic" then?
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15:58:53 <flo-retina> nhnt11: yes
15:59:01 <flo-retina> and there's also a different version for the halloween branding ;)
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17:04:58 <Mic2> aleth, clokep: shouldn't my first alternate IRC nick be preferred when the nick as it appears in the account name is somewhere in the list of alternate nicks?
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17:07:22 <Mic2> Or is this only an idea that I had read in some bug?
17:22:08 <flo-retina> Mic2: that's something I wanted
17:22:22 <flo-retina> Mic2: and people convinced me first that it would be better in a follow-up
17:22:42 <flo-retina> and then that doing it would reduce the motivation for supporting account-renaming and that would be a bad thing (I was less convinced on this point ;))
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19:08:57 <flo-retina> how do you all feel about using "*** text ***" for automatically generated lines? (eg https://landfill.bugzilla.org/bzapi_sandbox/show_bug.cgi?id=14406)
19:09:21 <flo-retina> it matches what bugzilla does when marking bugs as duplicates
19:10:26 <flo-retina> I think I like it, except when the wording is so long that it wraps
19:10:35 <flo-retina> but I think "Originally posted on bio 1828 as attmnt 2250" could be shortened
19:10:50 <flo-retina> maybe "Original post on bio 1828 as attmnt 2250"
19:11:39 <flo-retina> or "Originally attmnt 2250 on bio 1828" (doesn't work very well with " at <time>" that comes after it
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19:27:11 * flo-retina wonders if Morian was in the list of people clokep emailed
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20:44:10 <flo-retina> replaying bug 507 takes 7min23s
20:44:12 <instantbot> Bug https://bugzilla.instantbird.org/show_bug.cgi?id=507 enh, --, 1.2, clokep, RESO FIXED, Implement IRC in JavaScript
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21:24:13 <flo-retina> I've updated https://etherpad.mozilla.org/bugzilla-instantbird-todo to match the current status
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22:15:20 <flo-retina> I'm going to just drop the qa_contact field instead of fixing its import. The only bugs where we touched it were bug 1982 and bug 2067; both filed by qheaden (I assume with himself as qa contact), and then reset to nobody@ib.org by clokep.
22:15:22 <instantbot> Bug https://bugzilla.instantbird.org/show_bug.cgi?id=1982 nor, --, 1.5, qheaden, RESO FIXED, Create Yahoo! Messenger Protocol Plug-In
22:15:23 <instantbot> Bug https://bugzilla.instantbird.org/show_bug.cgi?id=2067 enh, --, ---, qheaden, ASSI, Add Buddy Tooltips to Yahoo JS Plug-in
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22:17:28 <flo-retina> and this is something we would have noticed if we hadn't silenced the errors of slice.js :-/
22:21:49 <hadi> the irc log webpage is very great, it even comes in google searches, i literally find my answers in it
22:21:58 <hadi> is it an eggdrop thing? it's cool
22:32:28 <flo-retina> eggdrop?
22:41:31 <flo-retina> if I stop ignoring ERROR() calls in slice.js, we have 2136 of them...
22:46:54 <flo-retina> I'm also very tempted to just ignore the aliases
22:47:22 <flo-retina> we have them only on bug 10 and bug 23; they are long forgotten :)
22:47:24 <instantbot> Bug https://bugzilla.instantbird.org/show_bug.cgi?id=10 cri, P5, 0.1.1, florian, RESO FIXED, Crash [@ purpleDNSRequest::OnLookupComplete]
22:47:25 <instantbot> Bug https://bugzilla.instantbird.org/show_bug.cgi?id=23 nor, P5, 0.1.1, florian, RESO FIXED, Two File drop down menus in the Menu bar
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23:06:56 <flo-retina> crap, the list of "target milestones" requested in https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=951944 is wrong :'(
23:07:15 <hadi> flo-retina: yeah, that irc bot thingy
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23:23:42 <flo-retina> aleth: the todo list is at https://etherpad.mozilla.org/bugzilla-instantbird-todo
23:24:26 <flo-retina> The only thing that can be done withing setting up all our scripts locally is at line 24
23:24:34 <flo-retina> s/withing/without/
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23:39:17 <aleth> I'm just keeping the last blocking version number, as we do these days on the whiteboard.
23:39:29 <flo-retina> ok
23:39:37 <flo-retina> that makes sense for the value of the whiteboard
23:39:42 <aleth> That will lose the history of how often the fix was postponed ;)
23:39:46 <flo-retina> I was wondering if we may want to paste in the bug a comment with the list of changes
23:39:49 <aleth> Not sure if that matters
23:39:49 <flo-retina> but that may be too much effort
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23:40:13 <flo-retina> it's all for 0.* versions, so it's likely irrelevant now :)
23:40:49 * flo-retina wonders who thought it was a good idea to rename "Trunk" into "trunk" in the list of versions.
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23:50:27 <flo-retina> aleth: thanks!
23:59:08 <flo-linux> this is the error messages I still get from slicing.js after fixing the obvious renamings: http://pastebin.instantbird.com/505783
23:59:45 <flo-retina> I think the "Trying to overwrite field" messages are good candidates for my 21 missing attachments