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00:01:05 <-- wnayes has quit (Ping timeout) 00:04:39 --> wnayes has joined #instantbird 00:16:35 --> clokep has joined #instantbird 00:16:35 * ChanServ sets mode +o clokep 00:29:16 <flo-retina> clokep: hey :) 00:29:24 <clokep> Hello flo-retina. 00:29:26 <flo-retina> are you on the Windows rc? 00:30:05 <clokep> Not yet... 00:31:28 <-- clokep has quit (Quit: Instantbird 1.5a1pre -- http://www.instantbird.com) 00:32:43 --> clokep has joined #instantbird 00:32:43 * ChanServ sets mode +o clokep 00:33:07 <clokep> Hi. 00:33:14 <clokep> Now I am. :) 00:45:50 <clokep> flo-retina: Seems all good? 00:46:08 <flo-retina> the rc? 00:46:17 <clokep> Yes. 00:46:25 --> FireFly_TB has joined #instantbird 01:06:21 <-- ivan has quit (Ping timeout) 01:08:01 --> ivan has joined #instantbird 01:24:49 <flo-retina> clokep: what's the state of readiness of the release notes? 01:25:16 <clokep> flo-retina: I think the notes are OK, the announcement needs a lot of work. 01:27:01 <flo-retina> the part about the awesometab isn't exciting enough IMHO 01:27:09 <flo-retina> I'm trying to rephrase it, but I don't find anything I like 01:27:36 <flo-retina> release notes tend to have sentences, not be just a list of changes 01:28:55 <clokep> Oh. :-/ 01:31:12 <-- ivan has quit (Ping timeout) 01:31:56 <flo-retina> if I change " This list also automatically includes the channel list from connected IRC servers" by " This list also automatically includes the channels advertized by the IRC servers you are connected to." is it OK? 01:32:29 <flo-retina> I'm not sure how negatively connoted the word "advertized" is in English 01:32:56 <flo-retina> (I dislike that the current sentence has the word "list" twice) 01:33:12 --> ivan has joined #instantbird 01:33:30 <clokep> That's fine. 01:33:39 <clokep> I didn't take it to be negative at all in taht sentence. 01:34:43 <Mook_as> it seems fine. (other than I think it's "advertise", even in en-US?) 01:35:24 <clokep> It's either. 01:35:31 <flo-retina> Mook_as: I'm on a French RC, I've got plenty of dictionaries now, but they are all French :( 01:36:59 <Mook_as> ... as long as it's not fr_FR, I think it'll be mostly fine. Heck, even if it's en_FR... XD 01:38:15 <flo-retina> Mook_as: http://i.imgur.com/zCI6odi.png 01:38:48 <Mook_as> lack of fr_CA confirmed? 01:39:07 <flo-retina> Mook_as: it's a completely different language :-P 01:39:19 <Mook_as> from a different century, at least? 01:39:37 <flo-retina> 4 meetings tomorrow + it's a release day for us, I think I should really go to bed ;). 01:39:55 <flo-retina> 2:40am already :-S 02:02:28 <-- Mook_as has quit (Input/output error) 02:04:49 <-- skeledrew has quit (Ping timeout) 02:13:36 <-- GeekShadow has quit (Ping timeout) 02:13:42 --> GeekShadow has joined #instantbird 02:19:02 --> skeledrew has joined #instantbird 02:20:46 <-- skeledrew has quit (Ping timeout) 02:23:48 --> skeledrew has joined #instantbird 02:56:44 <-- FireFly_TB has quit (Ping timeout) 03:00:41 --> FireFly_TB has joined #instantbird 03:20:58 <-- FireFly_TB has quit (Ping timeout) 03:26:11 <-- clokep has quit (Quit: Instantbird 1.5 -- http://www.instantbird.com) 04:24:13 <-- EionRobb has quit (Quit: Leaving.) 04:30:43 <-- mconley has quit (Input/output error) 04:42:16 --> Mook has joined #instantbird 04:58:35 <-- wnayes has quit (Quit: wnayes) 06:23:14 --> BWMerlin has joined #instantbird 06:35:03 --> gerard-majax_ has joined #instantbird 06:43:25 --> eson57 has joined #instantbird 06:44:24 <eson57> testing 1.5 rc 06:46:31 <-- gerard-majax_ has quit (Ping timeout) 06:56:37 <eson57> hmm... found some misspelled words in privacy.dtd :( Is it possible to correct before final release? 07:22:48 --> gerard-majax_ has joined #instantbird 07:25:51 <-- gerard-majax_ has quit (Ping timeout) 08:09:07 --> gerard-majax_ has joined #instantbird 08:31:11 --> mconley has joined #instantbird 08:33:17 <-- mconley has quit (Ping timeout) 09:07:57 <flo-retina> eson57: unless the mispealing are terrible (like something that results in insulting the user), I'm afraid it's too late. 09:08:29 <flo-retina> but you can totally push the changes anyway; just to be sure you don't forget to do them for the next release, which hopefully will be only a few months away 09:11:07 <eson57> flo-retina: It's a missed letter and one too many 09:13:31 <eson57> No big deal. It just makes me look like a sloppy translator. :( 09:48:43 <flo-retina> which you aren't ;). 09:49:24 <flo-retina> eson57: I think missing a release for a locale is more efficient to "look like a sloppy translator" ;) 09:49:45 <flo-retina> 1.5 won't ship in Italian :( 09:50:18 <eson57> :( 09:52:16 <flo-retina> if that makes you feel better, I also spotted something suboptimal in the French locale when trying the RC. 09:52:51 <eson57> so when is 1.6 supposed to be released? ;) 09:53:12 <flo-retina> hopefully 3 months from now 09:54:00 <eson57> ok... I'll have it fixed until then :) 10:43:48 --> markh1 has joined #instantbird 10:44:25 <markh1> how do I get a channel list for an account? 10:50:36 <-- markh1 has quit (Quit: bye) 11:05:33 --> clokep has joined #instantbird 11:05:33 * ChanServ sets mode +o clokep 11:05:47 <flo-retina> clokep: good morning 11:05:57 <flo-retina> so do you want me to upload the JSON files I got from my script? 11:17:01 --> hadi has joined #instantbird 11:17:52 <clokep> flo-retina: If you think it's worth it. I'm obviously not going to have time to write any scripts during the day today. 11:19:05 <clokep> (Good morning to you too. :)) 11:19:20 <clokep> Did you see that comment about using the REST API instead of BzAPI 11:19:35 <flo-retina> clokep: bz2'ed, the results weight 48MB 11:19:46 <flo-retina> clokep: yes, I've seen it. I think I'll happily ignore it. 11:20:01 <clokep> OK. :) 11:20:12 <clokep> 48 MB! :) Thta includes attachments, right? 11:21:03 <flo-retina> yes 11:21:14 <flo-retina> 131MB without compression 11:22:05 <-- Mook has quit (Connection reset by peer) 11:24:41 <clokep> Fun. :) 11:30:52 <clokep> So...what's next? ;0 11:34:25 <flo-retina> for me, going to work I gues 11:34:26 <flo-retina> s 11:34:41 <flo-retina> can you be more specific? :-P 11:35:04 <clokep> That's my plan too. ;) 11:35:14 <clokep> I meant for release/BIO stuff. 11:35:34 <flo-retina> for the release, we need to finish the release notes, and make them into a web site changes patch 11:35:41 <flo-retina> then I need to create the source tarball 11:35:53 <flo-retina> I need to get the staging server back in shape 11:36:03 <flo-retina> to upload files to mirrors (if that still works) 11:36:15 <flo-retina> and after that we should be good to go 11:37:13 <flo-retina> for the BIO stuff, the next steps are: 1. Write the scripts we need. 2. Ensure the products get created (ping bmo admins) this week. 3. Figure out what we are doing with user accounts, and start requesting temporary passwords if needed 11:37:27 <flo-retina> I discussed this last point a bit with Gerv this morning. We have a few possible different strategies 11:37:48 <flo-retina> we may want to discuss with people in #bteam how much work it takes for them to merge accounts 11:43:05 <clokep> Here's the start of website update: http://pastebin.instantbird.com/487809 11:43:09 <clokep> What's #bteam? 11:43:56 <flo-retina> ask the awesometab for the topic of the channel? ;) 11:46:10 <-- flo-retina has quit (Quit: Instantbird 1.5 -- http://www.instantbird.com) 11:47:48 <clokep> Ah, I see. 11:48:11 * clokep wonders why that's not just #bugzilla. :-/ 11:48:30 <clokep> (Btw that website change is based on http://hg.instantbird.org/websites/www.instantbird.com/rev/d30ed0c5188e ) 11:57:20 <-- clokep has quit (Quit: Instantbird 1.5 -- http://www.instantbird.com) 12:10:47 --> flo-retina has joined #instantbird 12:10:47 * ChanServ sets mode +qo flo-retina flo-retina 12:11:35 <flo-retina> clokep: because #bugzilla is for bugzilla developers in general, not for BMO specifically? ;) 12:19:52 --> Mic has joined #instantbird 12:20:19 * Mic is now known as Mic2 12:21:16 <-- Mic2 has quit (Quit: Mic2) 12:30:13 --> Mic has joined #instantbird 12:30:18 * Mic is now known as Mic2 12:31:18 <Mic2> Entering several channel names in the join chat dialog doesn't work anymore. It does open the channels but it also creates a conversation with the name of all channels concatenated (rather: not split yet). 12:38:16 <-- BWMerlin has quit (Quit: BWMerlin) 12:46:59 <-- Mic2 has quit (Quit: Mic2) 12:53:16 --> clokep has joined #instantbird 12:53:39 * clokep is now known as clokep_work 12:58:17 <clokep_work> Why'd Mic have to find that on the RC? :P 13:08:35 <-- hadi has quit (Connection reset by peer) 13:16:10 --> dew has joined #instantbird 13:29:50 <-- Suiseiseki has quit (Ping timeout) 13:31:40 --> Suiseiseki has joined #instantbird 13:33:21 <-- GeKo has quit (Quit: leaving) 13:34:25 <clokep_work> flo-retina: Let me know if you want to talk to #bteam then and I'll join you in there. 13:35:00 <flo-retina> hmm 13:35:08 <flo-retina> I think we should do it, yes. 13:35:18 <flo-retina> I'm afraid it's not my priority now :-/ 13:35:59 <clokep_work> Ping me if you wanna. 13:36:10 <flo-retina> maybe tonight after we get the release out the door? 13:36:25 <clokep_work> OK. :) 13:36:30 <-- Suiseiseki has quit (Quit: Leaving) 13:40:12 --> jb has joined #instantbird 14:00:42 <clokep_work> flo-retina: The release notes in https://etherpad.mozilla.org/ib-1-5 look fairly on par with what's on http://instantbird.com/release-notes.html 14:00:49 <clokep_work> They all look like they're sentences? :-S 14:01:19 <clokep_work> Well most of them at least. 14:01:36 <flo-retina> ok, let me re-read that 14:02:09 <clokep_work> Some of them aren't, but some just need a . at the end, I think. 14:02:25 <flo-retina> "you talk to contacts / chat rooms." is this human-parsable? 14:03:54 <flo-retina> I guess we/I need to generate a changelog 14:05:44 <flo-retina> clokep_work: it seems reasonable. 14:06:01 <flo-retina> We may want to tweak the order of some points, but that's easy to do even after converting to HTML, so it doesn't block 14:09:11 <clokep_work> flo-retina: Do we usually separate "new features" vs. "bugs fixed"? 14:09:22 <clokep_work> (I'm thinking like the Google Hangouts infinite typing thing.) 14:09:32 <flo-retina> somehow 14:09:41 <flo-retina> I think we mostly put the interesting stuff near the top 14:09:50 <clokep_work> flo-retina: " The list is sorted with a frecency algorithm, taking into account how often and how recently you've talk to each contact." 14:09:52 <clokep_work> Is that better? 14:10:05 <clokep_work> (I know it works for chats too, but the sentences are way easier if we only talk about contacts...) 14:10:11 <flo-retina> you've just removed the chat part? 14:10:29 <clokep_work> I tweaked a bit of it. 14:10:34 <clokep_work> I added "you've" instead of "you"? 14:13:04 <flo-retina> is "you've talk" gramatically correct? 14:14:32 <clokep_work> talked to 14:14:40 * clokep_work is never sure what tense we do release notes in either. :( 14:17:28 <flo-retina> we do them in the English tense :P 14:24:45 <clokep_work> That's vague. :-D 14:55:51 <-- eson57 has left #instantbird () 15:25:08 --> mconley has joined #instantbird 15:32:13 <-- mconley has quit (Input/output error) 15:35:50 <-- jb has quit (Connection reset by peer) 15:35:56 --> jb has joined #instantbird 15:38:02 <-- jb has quit (Connection reset by peer) 15:38:05 --> jb1 has joined #instantbird 15:50:21 <-- jb1 has quit (Ping timeout) 15:54:04 --> jb has joined #instantbird 16:06:10 --> mconley has joined #instantbird 16:36:10 * qheaden_away is now known as qheaden 16:36:15 <qheaden> Hello everyone. 16:37:06 <flo-retina> qheaden: hello :) 16:37:46 * qheaden is very frustrated about the absence of ia32-libs on Ubuntu & Debian. 16:39:56 <-- jb has quit (Connection reset by peer) 16:40:01 --> jb has joined #instantbird 16:42:19 <-- gerard-majax_ has quit (Ping timeout) 16:43:17 <qheaden> flo-retina: How's the BIO to BMO conversion coming? 16:43:32 <flo-retina> it's coming as a Christmas present ;) 16:43:48 <qheaden> Wow. That was fast. 16:43:50 <flo-retina> qheaden: the plan is in https://etherpad.mozilla.org/bugzilla-instantbird-merge-bzapi 16:44:13 <qheaden> Awesome. 16:44:27 <flo-retina> and I'm not sure I would agree with "fast" 16:44:41 <qheaden> So will the bug numbers change? I would imagine so because it would cause conflicts with the existing Mozilla bugs. 16:44:56 <flo-retina> given that hte original plan (https://bmo.etherpad.mozilla.org/bugzilla-instantbird-merge) was discussed in April 2012 ;). 16:45:04 <flo-retina> qheaden: they will change 16:45:16 <qheaden> Cool stuff. 16:54:25 <qheaden> Now ia32-libs on my Debian installation is found? :-/ 16:54:33 <qheaden> Weird stuff. 17:13:57 <-- skeledrew has quit (Ping timeout) 17:24:48 --> skeledrew has joined #instantbird 17:47:49 --> wnayes has joined #instantbird 17:48:19 <-- flo-retina has quit (Quit: Instantbird 1.5 -- http://www.instantbird.com) 17:59:55 * mconley is now known as mconley|food 18:10:59 --> igorko has joined #instantbird 18:40:18 <-- jb has quit (Connection reset by peer) 18:40:19 --> jb1 has joined #instantbird 18:53:31 * mconley|food is now known as mconley 18:59:20 <-- mconley has quit (Connection reset by peer) 18:59:42 --> mconley has joined #instantbird 19:02:00 <-- igorko has quit (Quit: Instantbird 1.5a1pre -- http://www.instantbird.com) 19:10:12 <-- jb1 has quit (Ping timeout) 19:14:42 --> flo-retina has joined #instantbird 19:14:42 * ChanServ sets mode +qo flo-retina flo-retina 19:15:45 <flo-retina> hmm, typing "/ba" on my French RC gave me a system message saying "your account is disconnected because your status is current 'offline'". Wasn't the message I was usually getting "no such command, type /help for a list of valid command"? 19:19:07 --> flo-retina1 has joined #instantbird 19:19:11 <-- flo-retina has quit (Ping timeout) 19:19:45 <flo-retina1> I wonder if we should start making localized nightlies 19:19:52 * flo-retina1 is now known as flo-retina 19:20:32 <flo-retina> I suspect that would motivate me to make a bunch of French strings look more natural 19:27:27 <instantbot> New Instantbird (UI) bug 2287 filed by email@example.com. 19:27:28 <instantbot> Bug https://bugzilla.instantbird.org/show_bug.cgi?id=2287 nor, --, ---, nobody, UNCO, Settings window not resized properly 19:30:39 --> qlum has joined #instantbird 19:34:21 --> EionRobb has joined #instantbird 19:36:45 <-- mconley has quit (Connection reset by peer) 19:37:03 --> mconley has joined #instantbird 19:58:23 <-- clokep_work has quit (Quit: http://www.mibbit.com ajax IRC Client) 20:04:17 --> clokep has joined #instantbird 20:05:15 * clokep is now known as IRCMonkey23983 20:06:51 * IRCMonkey23983 is now known as clokep_work_work 20:17:44 --> Mic2 has joined #instantbird 20:22:44 --> mikk_s has joined #instantbird 20:22:58 <-- mikk_s has quit (Quit: Instantbird 1.4 -- http://www.instantbird.com) 21:00:57 <flo-retina> so, are we releasing yet? ;) 21:01:20 <EionRobb> release early, release often 21:01:27 <clokep_work_work> The release notes probably need to be finished. 21:10:36 <flo-retina> is Mic2 finishing the release notes? ;) 21:17:28 <Mic2> flo-retina: how soon are they needed? 21:17:59 * Mic2 definitely needs to sync his Fx-profile :S 21:18:07 <Mic2> oops, wrong channel. 21:22:33 <flo-retina> Mic2: we are releasing tonight. 21:22:49 <Mic2> k 21:23:01 <flo-retina> I'm going to look at making a source tarball now 21:23:19 <flo-retina> now that I'm 'done working' ;) 21:23:42 <-- EionRobb has quit (Ping timeout) 21:26:03 --> EionRobb has joined #instantbird 21:37:52 <flo-retina> 294 changesets between Ib 1.4 and 1.5 21:42:42 <clokep_work_work> Not bad! :) 21:43:35 <flo-retina> apparently the wording we used for the 1.4 release notes didn't need that value 21:44:03 <flo-retina> for 1.3 we had "And more... read the full ChangeLog for details of the 136 code changes since Instantbird 1.2." as the last line of the release notes 21:45:04 <flo-retina> the source tarball weights 150MB 21:45:33 <flo-retina> evolution of source tarball sizes: http://pastebin.instantbird.com/488488 21:46:45 <flo-retina> clokep_work_work: what's the status of the website update? Are you still on it, or should someone take over? 21:48:01 * clokep_work_work is working. 21:48:07 <clokep_work_work> flo-retina: Idk when I'llg et back ot i.t 21:48:25 <flo-retina> working without looking at the keyboard apprently ;) 21:48:57 <clokep_work_work> My monitor is at a right angle. :) 21:50:42 --> rosonline has joined #instantbird 21:52:41 <clokep_work_work> flo-retina: I think most of it what it needs it the release notes and such anyway? 21:52:48 <flo-retina> yeah 21:56:27 <-- rosonline has quit (Quit: Instantbird 1.5 -- http://www.instantbird.com) 21:56:36 <Mic2> I can start with the release notes in ~ 30 minutes. 21:58:34 <flo-retina> "149MB 37.4MB/s 00:04" I thought we had only 100Mbps on the new server! 21:58:45 <Mic2> :) 21:59:20 <flo-retina> well, one of the 2 has 1Gbps, that's why I used it to clone mozilla-release for the source tarball 21:59:28 <flo-retina> but I thought the other one was 100Mbps 21:59:46 <flo-retina> maybe it's 100Mbps toward the Internet, but not between servers within the same data center 22:02:14 <flo-retina> do you think anybody will care that http://ftp.instantbird.com/instantbird/releases/1.4/md5sum and http://ftp.instantbird.com/instantbird/releases/1.5/md5sum aren't in the same format? 22:14:55 <clokep_work_work> No. 22:15:21 * qheaden is now known as qheaden_away 22:17:27 <flo-retina> I'm at the last step of the " Move the final builds " section 22:19:15 <flo-retina> (uploading to google code) 22:20:34 <flo-retina> "On January 15, 2014, existing projects with downloads will lose the ability to create new downloads." 22:20:45 <flo-retina> looks like we will need to find another solution for the next release 22:23:02 <clokep_work_work> ftp.mozilla.org? ;) 22:24:12 <flo-retina> sure 22:24:38 <flo-retina> but I was hoping we could wait a few months before trying that step :) 22:24:54 <clokep_work_work> It isn't Jan. 15th yet. ;) 22:24:56 <clokep_work_work> We have at least a month. 22:25:03 <flo-retina> the en-US windows installer weighted 9.9MB for 1.0. For 1.5 it weights 19MB. 22:25:41 <flo-retina> clokep_work_work: getting into c-c is more important than the ftp, so I wanted to fight that battle before the ftp one 22:27:32 <clokep_work_work> I concur. 22:31:37 <flo-retina> I guess now I need to look at the staging website :( 22:36:05 <-- clokep_work_work has quit (Quit: http://www.mibbit.com ajax IRC Client) 22:37:53 --> clokep_work has joined #instantbird 22:40:22 <-- qlum has quit (Client exited) 22:43:30 <-- Mic2 has quit (Ping timeout) 22:53:37 --> Mic2 has joined #instantbird 22:55:28 <flo-retina> we have reached our quota on google code 22:55:33 <flo-retina> I'll remove the files of Ib 1.1 22:58:07 <flo-retina> http://queze.net/goinfre/ib-in-bmo.png :) 22:58:37 <Mic2> Cool :) 23:00:26 <flo-retina> please refrain from filing stuff there 23:00:29 <flo-retina> (for now :)) 23:05:58 <flo-retina> looks like they made deleting files intentionally painful 23:06:04 <flo-retina> "Instead of deleting a download, it is better to mark it as deprecated. Deprecated files are not shown to users in the default list of downloads. Deprecated files do use up part of your project's quota, but projects that need more storage space can request it by filing an issue in the "support" project." 23:14:51 <-- EionRobb has quit (Ping timeout) 23:15:18 * flo-retina wonders if Mic2 has done anything with the release notes ~1h ago. 23:15:32 <Mic2> II'm at it :) 23:16:49 <flo-retina> ETA? 23:16:53 * flo-retina wants to ship it and go to bed 23:17:15 <flo-retina> I think we will skip using Google code for now, and just host 1.5 on our own servers 23:17:48 <flo-retina> I don't expect any giant amount of traffic that would kill our servers 23:18:12 --> EionRobb has joined #instantbird 23:19:42 <Mic2> hmm, I started by rewriting the paragraph about the new conversation tab... I haven't adressed any of the FIXME's yet. 23:20:22 <flo-retina> Mic2: the plan was to just convert it into HTML 23:20:46 <Mic2> :o 23:20:55 <flo-retina> what's your color? 23:21:05 <flo-retina> I don't see any change to the new conv part 23:21:15 <Mic2> I haven't edited it in the etherpad 23:21:26 <flo-retina> :-o 23:21:32 <Mic2> http://pastebin.instantbird.com/488587 23:21:45 <-- dew has quit (Ping timeout) 23:22:06 <Mic2> It's definitely not polished but I wanted it to be more personal (talking more about you and 'after the update', guiding the users attention there). 23:22:27 <-- EionRobb has quit (Ping timeout) 23:22:27 <flo-retina> are you talking about the release notes or the blog post? 23:22:32 --> dew has joined #instantbird 23:22:46 <Mic2> I was thinking about the blog post. 23:22:59 <Mic2> meh, seems I totally misunderstood you. 23:23:13 <Mic2> I'll convert what there's on the etherpad to html. 23:23:22 --> EionRobb has joined #instantbird 23:23:34 <flo-retina> do you have a clone of the website repository already? 23:23:52 <flo-retina> clokep had a pastebin earlier today with what he started 23:24:49 <Mic2> I don't, I don't even have Mercurial installed yet. 23:37:16 * flo-retina is on it 23:39:02 <Mic2> What does that mean exactly? 23:43:33 <flo-retina> that I'm poking at the repository 23:43:59 <Mic2> I've installed hg, cloned the websites (.com) repository and started looking at it too. Does that mean I should continue or stop? 23:44:15 <flo-retina> if you can make a reasonable version of this file for 1.5 http://hg.instantbird.org/websites/www.instantbird.com/file/d30ed0c5188e/release-notes-1.4.php and of the .properties file, that would help 23:44:46 <flo-retina> I'm going to push a simple change (adding an explicit license for screenshot) to see what the state of our staging server is 23:45:18 <Mic2> OK, I'll do that. 23:45:33 <flo-retina> I've already the modifications locally for all the other files we need to touch 23:48:11 <-- mconley has quit (Input/output error)