#instantbird log on 12 17 2013

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01:00:31 <instant-buildbot> build #0 of linux-release-1.5 is complete: Success [3build successful]  Build details are at http://buildbot.instantbird.org/builders/linux-release-1.5/builds/0
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01:11:17 <Timgu> is there a way to customize where chat logs are stored on the system?
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01:20:39 <instant-buildbot> build #0 of win32-release-1.5 is complete: Failure [4failed shell_2]  Build details are at http://buildbot.instantbird.org/builders/win32-release-1.5/builds/0
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01:28:04 <instant-buildbot> build #1 of win32-release-1.5 is complete: Failure [4failed shell_2]  Build details are at http://buildbot.instantbird.org/builders/win32-release-1.5/builds/1
01:30:45 <instant-buildbot> build #2 of macosx-release-1.5 is complete: Exception [6exception interrupted]  Build details are at http://buildbot.instantbird.org/builders/macosx-release-1.5/builds/2
01:31:54 <flo-retina> I wonder if the windows VM just needs a reboot
01:34:46 <instant-buildbot> build #2 of win32-release-1.5 is complete: Failure [4failed shell_2]  Build details are at http://buildbot.instantbird.org/builders/win32-release-1.5/builds/2
01:36:07 * flo-retina would like to know what "warning: mozilla cannot be removed" means
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08:04:46 <nhnt11> hi
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09:10:49 * flo-retina is frustrated by the content of the waterfall.
09:12:37 <flo-retina> the Mac RC was almost complete :'(
09:12:42 <flo-retina> the upload timeouted
09:13:11 <flo-retina> only the update files for the sv-SE and uk (and part of the sk) locales were missing. All the other files are on the server
09:14:46 <flo-retina> but of course a nightly started immediately after that upload timeout, clobbering the objdir :'(
09:16:35 <instant-buildbot> build #1429 of macosx-nightly-default is complete: Failure [4failed compile]  Build details are at http://buildbot.instantbird.org/builders/macosx-nightly-default/builds/1429
09:24:25 <flo-retina> the error message for the failed Mac nightly is "/bin/sh: /bin/sh: cannot execute binary file". Is that a joke? :-S
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10:07:13 <alexis> hey, any way to integrate the notifications from instantbird with gnome3?
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10:50:11 <flo-retina> hello :)
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11:26:27 <clokep> Hello.
11:26:49 <alexis> hi
11:27:13 <alexis> Trying to re-ask a previous question: Do you know any way to integrate the notifications from instantbird with gnome3?
11:29:07 <clokep> "Any way" would probably be "write an extension that does this"
11:29:16 <clokep> If one exists for Fx/Tb already, this should be easy.
11:29:40 <alexis> ok thx
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11:30:24 <clokep> alexis: Sorry I don't have a better answer...notification center things on Linux are...complicated to say the least.
11:31:03 <alexis> clokep: hmm, I see.
11:31:20 <alexis> clokep: I will try to hack something out when I'll find the time :)
11:31:25 <alexis> (that is, not now :p)
11:31:28 <clokep> :)
11:31:34 <clokep> aleth might have more information since he actually uses Linux
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11:34:44 <flo-retina> or he used linux ;)
11:35:49 <clokep> :)
11:36:10 <flo-retina> https://wiki.mozilla.org/BMO/Requesting_Changes is fairly well documented
11:36:13 <clokep> Do we have any idea what's up w/ the windows rc then?
11:36:20 * flo-retina wonders if he can find someone to gather all that data for us
11:36:39 <clokep> I can do it. :P
11:36:42 <flo-retina> clokep: the state of the Mac one is more confusing to me.
11:37:04 <flo-retina> clokep: but a summary that applies to both Mac and Windows is "frustrating"! :(
11:37:34 <flo-retina> the current Mac build seems frozen while checking out the cs locale (that makes no sense, it was already on the local disk from a previous attempt...)
11:37:58 <flo-retina> I killed a previous run that was frozen while repackaging the et locale
11:38:39 <clokep> :-S
11:38:42 <flo-retina> one run worked fine, but timed out during the end of the upload (if a nightly hadn't started immediately after it, I would have been able to finish the upload by hand and claim that run was successful)
11:39:20 <flo-retina> for the windows case... we've been losing the slave randomly + the OS was Windows, making retrying painful, because the behavior of the file system is random... as usual.
11:39:48 <flo-retina> The slave is currently offline (normal shutdown during the day), I emailed Even to restart it. Even doesn't seem online today; I don't know why :(
11:40:05 <clokep> :-/
11:40:11 <clokep> Did you try rebooting it yet?
11:40:25 <flo-retina> rebooting an offline machine?
11:40:49 <clokep> Before it was offline!
11:40:56 <clokep> (Also, I don't know if "offline" is a halt or suspend.)
11:41:32 <flo-retina> it's VMWare shutting down the VM
11:42:17 <flo-retina> we will lose the Mac slave soon (it will shutdown itself in ~20 minutes)
11:45:02 <clokep> :(
11:45:40 <flo-retina> at this point I have a hard time believing that us losing the slaves so frequently is due to connection flakiness
11:45:55 <flo-retina> the mac slave is ssh-tunneling into the server, so that connection should be ok.
11:46:08 <flo-retina> and the Windows slave is on the same physical machine as the linux slave; which is perfectly stable.
11:46:31 <flo-retina> it sounds more like yet another instance of "buildbot sucks" :(
11:51:13 <flo-retina> I wonder what's causing "mkdir -p /Users/buildbot/buildslave/macosx/build//Users/buildbot/buildslave/macosx/obj-instantbird"
11:51:42 <flo-retina> ah: http://lxr.instantbird.org/instantbird/source/instantbird/locales/Makefile.in#218
11:51:56 <flo-retina> looks like for some reason L10NBASEDIR is now an absolute path
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12:21:43 <flo-retina> I wonder how the mozillians search (doesn't) work
12:21:55 <flo-retina> I was looking for my mozillians id to give a link to my profile.
12:22:00 <flo-retina> I searched "florian" in the search box
12:22:12 <flo-retina> that gave me the mozillian page of another Florian, and only that one.
12:22:28 <flo-retina> then after logging in, it turns out my mozillian page is: https://mozillians.org/en-US/u/florian/ !!
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13:00:16 <aleth-mac> "/bin/sh: /bin/sh: cannot execute binary file" has got to be a late contender for the error message of the year award ;)
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13:00:46 <hadi> Why i can't minimize instantbird to tray? it just does not work,  i press f9. i also tried file>minimize to tray but that does not work either
13:01:16 <aleth-mac> hadi: Which OS are you on?
13:01:30 <hadi> windows 7 32, instantbird is 1.4
13:01:56 <hadi> i noticed that when instantbird'w window remains for a long time (20 minutes maybe?) then i can't minimize it any longer
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13:02:21 <hadi> if i exit it and then relaunch (which makes my accounts to reconnect) then it works again
13:02:23 <aleth-mac> hadi: That's very strange. What's your settings in Preferences?
13:02:25 <clokep_work> hadi: Just to be clear...only the contact list can be minimized, are you trying to minimize the conversation window?
13:02:55 <clokep_work> flo-retina: I've been really disappointed in Mozillians. But maybe that's because I can't log into it anymore. ;)
13:03:06 <hadi> clokep_work:  yes i'm trying to minimize the contact list, it just does not work at all.
13:03:19 <hadi> aleth-mac: ...  all of them?
13:03:24 <nhnt11> Hi
13:03:29 * nhnt11 looks for a bug to fix
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13:05:43 <clokep_work> nhnt11: Could you maybe write a quick thing for the release blog post about the awesometab instead?
13:05:51 <nhnt11> Sure.
13:06:01 <clokep_work> (Or in addition to! :-D)
13:06:15 <clokep_work> nhnt11: I started something on https://etherpad.mozilla.org/ib-1-5 but I don't like it, feel free to trash it.
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13:09:04 <aleth-mac> hadi: No, just the one related to the tray
13:09:31 <hadi> aleth-mac: where is that? tools>options?
13:10:14 <aleth-mac> Tools-Preferences-General
13:10:59 * aleth-mac wonders how much work it would be to make instantbot log in JSON
13:11:17 <clokep_work> aleth-mac: Rewrite the perl module that does the logging.
13:12:18 <aleth-mac> Oh, did you say perl?
13:12:29 * aleth-mac shudders
13:12:46 <hadi> aleth-mac: show icon in system tray is checked.  minimize contacts window to tray: instead of closing.
13:12:55 <hadi> that one is selected
13:13:06 <aleth-mac> So when you close the contacts list, it should minimize to the tray.
13:13:31 <hadi> um, pressing f9. right?
13:14:44 <aleth-mac> No, Alt-F4 I believe
13:15:05 * aleth-mac is not on Windows
13:15:20 <hadi> aleth-mac: alt-f4 does not work either
13:15:28 <nhnt11> flo-retina, clokep_work: Don't we want to include something about the new tabbrowser api in the release notes?
13:15:36 <nhnt11> For extension developers..
13:15:42 <hadi> the thing is that it works, but if i leave the contacts window open for let's say 15 minutes, then it does not work anymore
13:15:46 <clokep_work> nhnt11: Yes.
13:15:59 <clokep_work> nhnt11: Just a one liner saying you can now add arbitrary tabs or something.
13:16:04 <clokep_work> And we should have made you document that on the wiki. ;)
13:16:13 <clokep_work> hadi: Check the error console for errors.
13:16:14 <nhnt11> Yeah. And I'll link to that huge comment in tabbrowser.xml
13:16:21 <aleth-mac> hadi: Weird.
13:17:53 <hadi> clokep_work:  I openned the error console window but don't know how to work with it... ;d
13:22:10 <clokep_work> hadi: It's a list of errors and warnings. If any of them have information about the minimize to tray code, that would be useful.
13:22:21 <clokep_work> I don't know if it's accessible or not, however.
13:22:25 <clokep_work> nhnt11: Thanks. :-D
13:27:09 <hadi> clokep_work:  oh well, i think it's not. i just can see a list of files that i can enter and it shows a page of codes
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13:45:05 <nhnt11> I've written a draft, I'll post it on the etherpad
13:45:18 <aleth-mac> nhnt11: Great :)
13:45:23 <nhnt11> I'm not extremely happy with it, but I'll work on it further later (going out now)
13:47:11 <nhnt11> ok, bye for now! i'll check back on the etherpad later.
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14:10:30 <clokep_work> flo-retina: Is my understand of "we need to wait for Even to come online" the current state of the buildbot stuff?
14:10:45 <flo-retina> clokep_work: that's only for Windows.
14:10:57 <flo-retina> clokep_work: and we can start testing Linux and Mac if we want
14:11:06 <clokep_work> Mac finished?
14:11:20 <flo-retina> we just know that the Mac RC can't be released because some of the mar update files are missing; but that doesn't prevent dogfooding it a bit
14:11:28 <clokep_work> Ah. :)
14:20:46 <flo-retina> btw, aleth-mac, do you feel like dogfooding the RCs? ;)
14:21:01 <aleth-mac> Why not?
14:21:02 <flo-retina> http://ftp.instantbird.com/instantbird/releases/1.5-candidates/2013-12-17-03-instantbird/
14:21:16 * flo-retina downloads the French one
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14:26:20 <flo-retina> restarting on 1.5
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14:27:05 <flo-retina> I lost only one add-on :)
14:27:12 <flo-retina> aleth's Toggle Participant List
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14:27:30 <flo-retina> I've never been able to actually decide if I like it or not. If frustrates me everyday, _but_ I miss it when I don't have it.
14:27:42 <aleth-mac> Why is the download 115M? unified builds?
14:27:42 <flo-retina> probably an indication that the problem exists, but the solution to it needs to be polished
14:27:52 <flo-retina> where did you get that?
14:27:59 <flo-retina> the download is 42MB
14:28:11 <flo-retina> or do you mean after unpacking?
14:28:35 <aleth-mac> Ah, you are right, the OSX dialog must have referred to after unpacking
14:29:19 <aleth-mac> Oh no, addon compatibility. The real fun in releasing.
14:29:48 <flo-retina> aleth-mac: intensive to include useful add-ons by default in the next release ;)
14:29:59 <aleth-mac> flo-retina: I agree about that add-on. If I thought the solution was good enough, it would have been a patch in a bug ;)
14:30:18 <aleth-mac> We discussed it a bit at the summit iirc. I should take another look.
14:30:26 <flo-retina> aleth-mac: my comment wasn't meant as criticism toward you
14:30:40 <aleth-mac> I didn't take it that way.
14:30:52 <flo-retina> aleth-mac: we discussed it at the summit, but that's when I installed the add-on, so I didn't know yet how much I would appreciate this proposed solution
14:30:58 <flo-retina> :)
14:31:39 <aleth-mac> Some of the ideas we brainstormed there seem worth trying.
14:33:08 <flo-retina> things seem reasonable for now
14:38:10 <flo-retina> http://i5.minus.com/iH2AedllPVZLq.png seems not very good
14:38:32 <flo-retina> is there anything after the "master password" line in the en-US version?
14:45:12 <aleth-mac> No, it seems like everything is present
14:45:21 <aleth-mac> Just the margin is too tight
14:45:45 <aleth-mac> (because the mot de passe explanation wraps two lines in French)
14:45:46 <flo-retina> or the wording of the previous line is too long, causing the text to wrap and take an additional line
14:46:01 <flo-retina> I think we could drop a word there to clean it up
14:47:37 <flo-retina> the ranking of the awesome tab is surprising again :(
14:48:16 <flo-retina> some people I've never talked to and who are offline are ranked above people I talk to ~once a week who are available :(
14:49:05 <flo-retina> I almost wonder if we shouldn't add an about:config switch to display in each item its score (and maybe even details of how it was computed in a tooltip)
14:49:10 <aleth-mac> Wasn't that a bug you noticed before but could not reproduce?
14:49:21 <flo-retina> maybe
14:49:25 <aleth-mac> That might help, yes (put the stats in a tooltip)
14:49:31 <flo-retina> last time it was with _one_ contact
14:49:38 <aleth-mac> If you close and reopen the awesometab, does it change?
14:49:41 <flo-retina> this time the order looks significantly messed up
14:50:12 <flo-retina> on the plus side: there's nobody I never talk to in the 20 first results :)
14:50:26 <flo-retina> so the ranking is mostly plausible
14:50:34 <flo-retina> I think it doesn't really get in the way of using the feature
14:50:40 <flo-retina> especially if you start typing to filter
14:51:04 <aleth-mac> Iirc you mentioned some strangeness with "offline people that have no logs" before, you should file a bug
14:51:23 <aleth-mac> Ask nhnt11 about it when he next shows up
14:51:30 <flo-retina> I think I'm almost more interested in the "add an about:config switch to display in each item its score (and maybe even details of how it was computed in a tooltip)" suggestion
14:52:15 <flo-retina> the only way to tweak the consts if we want to further improve the ordering in the next version is to see what causes the current ranking
14:52:30 <aleth-mac> In this case the score should be zero, what is interesting is the relative value and the impact of presence
14:53:00 <clokep_work> flo-retina: I agree showing "debug" information would be useful.
14:53:19 <flo-retina> :)
14:53:33 <flo-retina> so now we know what we can tell nhnt11 to work on the next time he asks ;)
14:55:04 * aleth-mac wonders why the blinking scrollbar is back
14:55:41 <aleth-mac> Now it's gone again
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15:01:14 <clokep_work> And now he's gone again. ;)
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15:02:22 <clokep_work> flo-retina: Btw my plan after release (besides helping w/ any BIO->BMO stuff I can) is to start updating us to m-c (or at least Moz 26/beta); and start fixing up our build system more so we can end up in c-c.
15:02:53 <flo-retina> clokep_work: my plan is also to get us on c-c ASAP once we are on BMO
15:05:07 <clokep_work> I think that's the same plan. :)
15:08:42 <flo-retina> clokep_work: so I was thinking about it yesterday evening
15:09:07 <flo-retina> I'm not sure if I want us to try and be compatible with m-c; or if we want to update to each of the 26, 27 and 28 version before 29.
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15:20:38 <clokep_work> flo-retina: I'm unsure which to do either. :-/ I was more of thinking how the moz-build sutff needs to be done though.
15:20:43 <clokep_work> TO be compatible w/ the build system.
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15:25:01 <flo-retina> clokep_work: not sure of what you mean. Don't we just sync our build system with TB's if we go straight to m-c's version?
15:28:15 <clokep_work> flo-retina: We have to fix up instantbird/ at least to use that. I don't know what you mean by "sync"?
15:28:24 <clokep_work> I have a feeling we're saying the same thing and I'm being more explicit.
15:28:40 <flo-retina> clokep_work: I was thinking of just using a merge tool
15:28:59 <clokep_work> How can you merge something with something that doesn't exist? :-S
15:29:16 <flo-retina> and make files look as close as possible, without bothering about finding the c-c changesets that initially made the changes
15:29:31 <flo-retina> what doesn't exist?
15:29:59 <clokep_work> flo-retina: All the files inside of instantbird/!
15:30:05 <clokep_work> They don't exist in c-c.
15:30:09 <clokep_work> What would you merge them w/?
15:30:30 <flo-retina> instantbird/locales/Makefile.in with mail/locales/Makefile.in, etc...
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15:32:36 <clokep_work> Oh.
15:32:40 <clokep_work> That might work.
15:32:53 <clokep_work> But we still have to do all the components and stuff separately.
15:32:56 <clokep_work> That'll be very different.
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15:40:01 <nhnt11> Hi
15:40:23 <flo-retina> nhnt11: hello :)
15:40:39 <clokep_work> Florian found a bug for you to work on. ;
15:40:42 <nhnt11> So debug information
15:40:46 <nhnt11> Yeah I saw the logs
15:40:59 <flo-retina> :)
15:42:24 <clokep_work> nhnt11: Btw great paragraph so far, I made a couple of tweaks. :)
15:42:56 * aleth-mac would like to open #developers from the awesometab ;)
15:43:04 <aleth-mac> while we're making a wishlist :P
15:44:01 <nhnt11> clokep_work: Thanks
15:45:16 <clokep_work> Why can't you? :-S
15:45:30 <nhnt11> clokep_work: #developers is a hidden channel
15:45:47 <clokep_work> Oh. I see.
15:45:48 <aleth-mac> clokep_work: It's hidden, but I have logs for it, so it should appear.
15:45:54 <clokep_work> I didn't realize we didn't query the known stuff.
15:46:38 <aleth-mac> That, and getting rid of Join Chat, are probably the two biggest possible next steps
15:46:45 <clokep_work> :)
15:46:52 <clokep_work> Yes.
15:46:56 <clokep_work> The join chat dialogue.
15:47:12 <aleth-mac> But nhnt11 may have more ideas ;)
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16:50:42 <flo-retina> Even just answered my email, saying that apparently there are internet connection issues at his place :(
16:54:03 <clokep_work> :'(
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17:05:56 * flo-retina is hearing people debating using Adium vs gmail for IM, and feels too lazy to try to convert them
17:06:54 <clokep_work> flo-retina: Just point it out, don't try too hard. :P
17:07:10 <flo-retina> they aren't talking to me, and aren't on the same table
17:07:55 <clokep_work> Oh.
17:07:59 <clokep_work> I thought you  meant on your call. :)
17:08:33 <flo-retina> I also don't feel like explaining why we don't have file transfer, etc...
17:09:03 <flo-retina> wining Adium users is also not very exciting (they are already using free software...)
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17:09:15 <clokep_work> "Does it have file transfer?" "Do you really use file transfer?" :P
17:10:34 <aleth-mac> It appears the RC also runs fine on OSX 10.9.1, fwiw :)
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18:30:40 <nhnt11> clokep_work: So what else do you think I need to add to the awesometab blog post other than the privacy stuff?
18:31:14 <nhnt11> I'm available for the next 30 minutes I think. Probably won't be online tomorrow :(
18:31:39 <nhnt11> Hmm, I think I'll try to work on that debug info stuff though. So I should be online for a while...
18:31:44 <nhnt11> (tomorrow though)
18:32:03 <clokep_work> nhnt11: I don't know, it gives the basics.
18:32:09 <clokep_work> A nice screenshot could be good. :-D
18:32:31 * nhnt11 doesn't like the idea of playing with Fake right now, too sleepy :P
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18:32:55 <clokep_work> It doesn't have to be fake...
18:34:54 <nhnt11> Hmm, actually I think I'll go to bed now and get up early tomorrow.
18:34:56 <nhnt11> Good night.
18:35:52 <clokep_work> Haha.
18:35:54 <clokep_work> Goodnight.
18:36:00 <aleth-mac> nhnt11: I think the issue flo was experiencing was the edge case of contacts with no logs.
18:36:04 <aleth-mac> nhnt11: Good night :)
18:36:39 <flo-retina> mac rc at the "distribute" step again! :)
18:37:42 * flo-retina wonders if there's any reasonable way to build the Windows rc from his thinkpad
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18:46:03 * aleth-mac wonders how tricky it would be to let Instantbird notice when a laptop goes to sleep and when it wakes up
18:47:04 <clokep_work> Why?
18:47:39 <aleth-mac> It ping timeouts, but when the laptop wakes up IB thinks it is still connected, and takes up to a minute or so to notice it needs to reconnect
18:49:03 <aleth-mac> Hmm, or maybe that's something that could be fixed in the ping code
18:49:58 <clokep_work> Or  in Mozilla's network stack? ;)
18:51:48 <aleth-mac> Possibly...
18:52:08 <Mook_as> http://mxr.mozilla.org/mozilla-central/source/widget/windows/nsWindow.cpp#5701 should do the job too, if you want to be manual :p
18:52:37 <Mook_as> hrm. bleh, seems to be windows-specific :|
18:52:54 <aleth-mac> That's disappointing.
18:53:21 <Mook_as> hrm. there's cocoa code too, so mac?
18:58:14 <aleth-mac> Thanks, I'll keep the link :)
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19:11:30 <clokep_work> aleth: https://developer.mozilla.org/en-US/docs/Observer_Notifications#Computer_sleep_and_wake
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20:11:45 <instant-buildbot> build #11 of macosx-release-1.5 is complete: Exception [6exception interrupted]  Build details are at http://buildbot.instantbird.org/builders/macosx-release-1.5/builds/11
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21:01:34 <flo-retina> another failed Mac RC... ;)
21:01:39 <flo-retina> Windows is building
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22:41:53 <instant-buildbot> build #13 of macosx-release-1.5 is complete: Failure [4failed shell_3]  Build details are at http://buildbot.instantbird.org/builders/macosx-release-1.5/builds/13
22:42:45 <flo-retina> pff
22:51:11 <flo-retina> I tried to finish it by hand, and rm'ed a file I shouldn't have :(.
22:51:24 <flo-retina> I've now restarted the whole build; that's safer.
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22:55:49 <flo-retina> I turned off nightlies to avoid having the RC rm'ed on the slave if the upload timeouts.
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