#instantbird log on 12 10 2013

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00:47:58 <rosonline> Hi everybody. Can anyone resend me the pt-br repo password?
00:51:37 <flo-retina> done
00:51:56 <flo-retina> please try and keep it next time ;)
01:06:00 <rosonline> all right :-)
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01:42:41 <rosonline> Done! The pt-BR repo was updated!
01:42:47 <rosonline> is*
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04:12:36 <instant-buildbot> build #1047 of linux-nightly-default is complete: Success [3build successful]  Build details are at http://buildbot.instantbird.org/builders/linux-nightly-default/builds/1047
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05:58:34 <instant-buildbot> build #1355 of macosx-nightly-default is complete: Success [3build successful]  Build details are at http://buildbot.instantbird.org/builders/macosx-nightly-default/builds/1355
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09:14:05 <instantbot> New Core - IRC bug 2274 filed by alexis+bugs@mozilla.com.
09:14:06 <instantbot> Bug https://bugzilla.instantbird.org/show_bug.cgi?id=2274 nor, --, ---, nobody, UNCO, The chat window does not close after a /part command
09:14:51 <alexis> let me know if thats not the right component
09:16:10 <flo-retina> alexis: for information, if you click "Close Conversation" in a channel's tab context menu, it will both part and close the tab.
09:16:26 <alexis> hmm ok
09:16:38 <flo-retina> but I guess you prefer using the keyboard UI ;)
09:17:15 <alexis> :)
09:17:28 <alexis> that will do
09:18:38 <flo-retina> oh, you are on a mac now?
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09:35:19 <alexis> flo-retina: i'm forced to be able to pair prog with people, other solutions make my computer crash
09:35:49 <alexis> vidyo doesnt work ok on linux for screen sharing
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09:45:15 <flo-retina> that seems unfortunate :(
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11:29:10 <aleth> flo: Right, the workaround in bug 2232 will only work for IRC.
11:29:12 <instantbot> Bug https://bugzilla.instantbird.org/show_bug.cgi?id=2232 nor, --, ---, nobody, NEW, Only remember on-hold state for autojoined conversations
11:29:37 <aleth> clokep: I think bug 2274 is wontfix?
11:29:39 <instantbot> Bug https://bugzilla.instantbird.org/show_bug.cgi?id=2274 nor, --, ---, nobody, UNCO, The chat window does not close after a /part command
11:30:00 <clokep> aleth: Are there any OS changes for IB 1.5? If so can you add them to the appropriate part of https://etherpad.mozilla.org/ib-1-5 (at the bottom).
11:30:07 <clokep> aleth: I think so, I didn't want to do it without discussing first.
11:31:11 * clokep wonders why all of aleth's patches end in f.
11:31:16 <aleth> clokep: I think the main change is to the system requirements as per your patch. If we don't provide 64b builds, we will also have to face the pain of assembling a list of required libraries
11:31:55 <aleth> clokep: That's just what my path-substitution script adds ;)
11:32:17 <clokep> aleth: OK...can you add it there/ :P
11:32:22 <clokep> While I push your patch.
11:32:46 <aleth> Yes, I meant to take a look at the etherpad yesterday, ended up fixing that bug instead.
11:33:34 <instantbot> clokep@gmail.com set the Resolution field on bug 2232 to FIXED.
11:33:35 <instantbot> Bug https://bugzilla.instantbird.org/show_bug.cgi?id=2232 nor, --, 1.5, aleth, RESO FIXED, Only remember on-hold state for autojoined conversations
11:35:12 <instantbot> Check-in: http://hg.instantbird.org/instantbird/rev/c64ee272e60e - aleth - Bug 2232 - Only remember on-hold state for autojoined conversations, r=fqueze.
11:35:15 <instantbot> New Core - General bug 2275 filed by aleth@instantbird.org.
11:35:16 <instantbot> Bug https://bugzilla.instantbird.org/show_bug.cgi?id=2275 nor, --, ---, nobody, NEW, joinChat should return the created conversations when possible
11:35:32 <clokep> That was fast. ;)
11:36:16 <aleth> Great minds think alike, or something like that :P
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11:38:16 <clokep> flo, Even: Looks like the win32 build started last night, but didn't finish.
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11:42:38 <clokep> flo-retina: Should I email even about the win32 buildbot or do we think it'll work tomorrow? :)
11:45:03 <flo-retina> unclear
11:45:10 <flo-retina> the slave did start this night
11:45:26 * clokep feels slightly bad calling them slaves. ;)
11:49:57 * flo-retina had no idea that these -inverted.png files existed in Tb
11:50:03 <flo-retina> have they finally landed a "dark theme"?
11:50:30 <aleth> JosiahOne was working on one iirc
11:50:44 <flo-retina> I heard he wanted one, but I didn't know it landed
11:50:44 <aleth> I doubt it landed yet though
11:50:54 <flo-retina> aleth: I'm looking at https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=948384
11:51:37 <flo-retina> hmm, apparently it's for :-moz-lwtheme-brighttext
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12:41:23 <aleth> Should Preferences -> Privacy -> Keep records of my conversation disable the stats service when unticked?
12:48:05 <aleth> If someone doesn't want to keep logs, they likely don't want a file with a record of who they've been talking to and how often
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12:54:30 <clokep_> aleth: I think that's a reasonable assumption.
12:56:08 <instantbot> New Instantbird (UI) bug 2276 filed by aleth@instantbird.org.
12:56:09 <instantbot> Bug https://bugzilla.instantbird.org/show_bug.cgi?id=2276 nor, --, ---, nobody, NEW, Don't keep conversation stats if logging is turned off
12:56:29 <aleth> clokep_: I had a look through the etherpad.
12:58:05 <clokep_> So (because I just received this in an email), I think this is a pretty good release announcement: http://www.vagrantup.com/blog/vagrant-1-4.html
13:01:45 <aleth> It's pretty good, but I think it lacks screenshots (probably not surprising considering the product) and is a bit wordy at the beginning.
13:02:22 <aleth> I like that it has a structure
13:03:18 <clokep_> Me too. :) It's obviously more "developer" focused too (since the users are developers), but I think it's fairly well written.
13:04:12 <clokep_> aleth: Thanks for looking through the pad. ;)
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13:17:17 <flo-retina> aleth: I don't really understand bug 2276
13:17:19 <instantbot> Bug https://bugzilla.instantbird.org/show_bug.cgi?id=2276 nor, --, ---, nobody, NEW, Don't keep conversation stats if logging is turned off
13:17:28 <flo-retina> if logs are disabled, the stats service won't find anything, right?
13:17:55 <flo-retina> turning off logging doesn't delete old logs
13:18:21 <flo-retina> or are you just saying we shouldn't crawl logs at startup if the pref is off?
13:18:23 <aleth> No, that's not the case. It only uses the logs when initializing, after that it's on-the-fly updating when new messages arrive.
13:19:00 <aleth> I think we should crawl existing logs but turn off updating the stats when the pref is not set.
13:19:04 <flo-retina> I'm not sure how much that is a problem
13:19:18 <aleth> For a new user, it's a problem.
13:19:39 <flo-retina> why? Which unexpected behavior will be visible?
13:19:50 <aleth> "I always had this pref turned off so no records would be kept, and now there is this file with records of who I talk to and how much?"
13:20:10 <flo-retina> aaaah, I see what you mean now
13:20:33 <flo-retina> should we just avoid saving the updates to disk then?
13:20:42 <aleth> Yes, that's what I was thinking.
13:21:40 <clokep_> Yeah, it's a privacy issue. :)
13:21:48 <clokep_> (We should probably have a way to clear old logs btw. :-/)
13:23:00 <flo-retina> bah, why do people always think that a copy/paste of what's displayed in the breakpad dialog is a useful "crash report" :(
13:31:52 <clokep_> At least they're filing bugs. :_D
13:33:59 <instantbot> clokep@gmail.com set the Resolution field on bug 2274 to WONTFIX.
13:34:00 <instantbot> Bug https://bugzilla.instantbird.org/show_bug.cgi?id=2274 nor, --, ---, nobody, RESO WONTFIX, The chat window does not close after a /part command
13:34:10 <flo-retina> clokep_: emailing me about something that may not even be related to my add-on doesn't count as "filing bugs" to me ;)
13:35:33 <clokep_> Ah. :) Never mind!
13:36:34 <flo-retina> crap, he was right, it's purplexpcom that crashes :(
13:36:40 <flo-retina> https://crash-stats.mozilla.com/report/index/d3cdf74a-3965-4881-a250-b29902131210
13:37:03 <flo-retina> I don't remember if we fixed something like this
13:37:20 <flo-retina> it feels vaguely familiar
13:37:34 <flo-retina> (crashing when resuming after the computer has been hibernating)
13:39:17 <clokep_> Hmmm...that does sound familiar.
13:39:23 <clokep_> I think we fixed stuff in the chat core that fixed that
13:39:40 <flo-retina> looks like bug 158, but it was fixed ages ago
13:39:41 <instantbot> Bug https://bugzilla.instantbird.org/show_bug.cgi?id=158 cri, --, 0.2a1, florian, RESO FIXED, Crash [@ purpleSocketNetworkStateObserver::Observe]
13:50:00 <flo-retina> clokep_: I think I wouldn't need much convincing about /part closing the tab.
13:50:52 <clokep_> flo-retina: Then reopen the bug. :P
13:51:00 <clokep_> That would require a prpl touching UI also btw.
13:51:06 <flo-retina> the reason is: I can't think of a single actual use case for needing to keep the tab open to reference stuff from it, but needing to not be in the room any more.
13:51:35 <flo-retina> clokep_: I do think fixing it may be more work than it's worth :)
13:52:22 <aleth> It's the same issue as focusing conversations opened via keyboard commands, really.
13:52:35 <clokep_> flo-retina: Wouldn't it be a one-line fix? :-S
13:52:43 * clokep_ doesn't have a strong opinion on it.
13:52:50 <flo-retina> clokep_: what aleth just said :)
13:53:05 <clokep_> Is it? Why's that?
13:53:14 <clokep_> What "issue"?
13:53:14 <flo-retina> clokep_: the problem is similar to focusing /join /msg conversations. prpl <-> UI interactions that we don't have.
13:53:19 <clokep_> OK.
13:53:25 <clokep_> So what I said above.
13:53:31 <flo-retina> doesn't mean we shouldn't fix it.
13:53:49 <flo-retina> fixing /join /msg seem more rewarding though
13:54:09 <clokep_> Someone should reopen the bug then.
13:54:24 <clokep_> Sounds like you'd want to add an API onto the conversation which let's it close itself or something then.
14:03:26 <flo-retina> clokep_: the problem is... that should only be possible after a user action :(
14:03:39 <flo-retina> clokep_: I don't want servers/prpls to randomly close my conversations
14:06:37 <clokep_> True.
14:07:03 * clokep_ wishes you had brought all this up before he closed the bug.
14:10:05 <flo-retina> clokep_: I think it's really the commands API that needs improvement
14:11:33 <clokep_> Possibly. What else would they need?
14:11:49 <clokep_> (Or maybe some of those IRC commands should be core level commands?)
14:13:44 <flo-retina> clokep_: they need a way to display system messages as feedback (something like stdout/stderr), to return a conversation object that needs to be focused, and maybe to close the current conversation
14:16:39 <clokep_> OK
14:19:05 <flo-retina> I feel like we have been working around this several times already
14:19:19 <flo-retina> eg. for /whois
14:20:17 <clokep_> The issue with /whois is that the response is async from the command.
14:20:57 <aleth> Return a promise? ;)
14:21:28 * clokep_ thinks we should get the 1.5 release done before worrying about this. :)
14:37:07 <flo-retina> clokep_: I'm afraid after 1.5 we will need to worry about BMO
14:37:10 <flo-retina> and c-c
14:38:51 <clokep_> I agree.
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15:43:03 <camlorn> So, I'm hoping someone can help.  WHat do I have to do to stop autojoining an irc channel with instantbird?
15:43:45 <camlorn> I set one up, file>join chat, check the auto-join box, and now I can't stop it from joining.
15:46:22 <clokep_> camlorn: Go to the account manager.
15:46:27 <clokep_> And remove the channel from the autojoin list.
15:46:35 <camlorn> It's not there.
15:46:43 <camlorn> Actually.
15:46:48 <clokep_> Hmm...Are you sure you're on the right account?
15:47:19 <camlorn> Well, time for a very odd question.
15:47:38 <camlorn> I've got a textbox called auto-join channels that I can type in, but no list.  I should now mention that I'm a screen reader user.
15:48:26 <camlorn> You've got me wondering if either (1) i don't actually have a list that I should or (2) I need to go open a bug with someone or other about why my screen reader can't see it.
15:49:11 <clokep_> camlorn: Are you using JAWS or NVDA? When I say "list" I mean a "comma separate list in a textbox" if that helps at all.
15:49:20 <camlorn> NVDA.
15:49:25 <camlorn> And I do see it.
15:49:26 <camlorn> And it's empty.
15:49:40 <camlorn> Very, very, very empty.  And yet we have auto-joining functionality anyway.
15:50:09 <camlorn> Does instantbird actually work with jaws, btw?  I'd be astonished if it did, in all honesty.
15:51:31 <clokep_> camlorn: I'm pretty sure it works with both, we've had users reports bugs from both. Why would you be astonished?
15:51:49 <clokep_> camlorn: Is this your only account by the way? I've never herad of an issue like this. :-/ (
15:51:51 <camlorn> One of the reasons I left jaws is because they don't work so well with the firefox stack.
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15:52:05 <clokep_> I unfortunately have to run to a meeting, maybe aleth can help.
15:52:18 <camlorn> Maybe they finally fixed it, but their IA2 stuff has been...interesting for years.  Firefox+jaws: recipe for major system crash twice a week, in my experience.
15:52:36 <camlorn> I've got two accounts.
15:52:40 <camlorn> xmpp and irc.
15:53:10 <camlorn> O wow.
15:53:14 <camlorn> That shouldn't be possible, but it is.
15:53:22 <camlorn> It's in my xmpp account.
15:53:32 <camlorn> But it's an irc channel. How in the world does that work?
15:54:48 <camlorn> O, wait. Nope, looks like some sort of accessibility issue with that listbox, I'll open a ticket later.
15:56:48 <clokep_> I'm glad you figured it out. :)
15:56:50 <camlorn> So, here's the long and short of it.  The listbox doesn't properly indicate which account i have selected.  It therefore appears that I'm in the irc one, when I'm actually in the xmpp one.
15:57:11 <camlorn> For whatever reason, focus gets set to the disconnect buttons when arrowing, instead of the account labels.
15:59:33 <flo-retina> that's on purpose, so that you can connect/disconnect by pressing the space bar
15:59:50 <flo-retina> may be annoying for screen readers though
16:01:21 <camlorn> Bit more than annoying...heh.
16:01:38 <camlorn> I was assuming that it was a screen reader bug, actually, and then using an alternative method to attempt selection.  Which appeared to work.  And then failed.
16:02:14 <camlorn> As far as I can tell, there's no way to easily get the information of which is selected without changing the selection.
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16:58:33 <clokep_> hadi: Maybe you know something about what camlorn was just asking (if you check out the log)
16:59:04 <hadi>  How do i see the logs? my dam internet is not playing well, i was disconnectedclokep_: 
16:59:26 <hadi> clokep_:  oh well that was messed up.
16:59:33 <clokep_> hadi: http://log.bezut.info/
16:59:59 <hadi> clokep_:  thanks, checkin now
17:04:20 <hadi> clokep_: He just answered his own question?
17:04:24 <hadi> <camlorn> For whatever reason, focus gets set to the disconnect buttons when arrowing, instead of the account labels. 
17:04:48 <hadi> <flo-retina> that's on purpose, so that you can connect/disconnect by pressing the space bar 
17:05:09 <clokep_> hadi: I guess I was wondering if you were seeing a similar issue or not. ;)
17:05:36 <hadi> It's not annoying though, but maybe confusing to SR users who have just started to use instantbird, so not a big deal i guess.
17:06:36 <hadi> clokep_: He was mistakenly selecting his xmpp account; thus, he couldn't see the autojoin list.
17:08:04 <hadi> because instantbird  drops the focus button onto the disconnect button when you arrow down the account list, so you have to shift tab back and arrow again; then do it untill you land on the right one
17:08:41 <clokep_> Right.
17:11:16 <hadi> clokep_:  the auto join channel settings, in the properties of the account. can you  arrow left and right and select letters in that box? 
17:12:06 <hadi> The box seems abit wierd, i can hear the channel's name devided by commas, but for some reason i can't navigate through the box to edit the text
17:12:17 <aleth> hadi: That still sounds like it is quite uncomfortable. We should improve the accessibility somehow. Maybe you could file a bug?
17:13:17 <hadi> aleth:  the autofocus on the disconnect button, you mean?
17:13:50 <aleth> I'm not sure we would change that, but it is possible to add accessibility labels which are read out only for screen reader users
17:14:13 <aleth> So when that button is focused, it might also say the name of the account or something.
17:14:27 <aleth> I don't know what the best solution is.
17:15:06 <hadi> aleth:  your solution makes sense, it helps a little i guess.
17:15:19 <aleth> You can always suggest something better ;)
17:16:20 <hadi> so, it's like, when the user arrows downward, instead of hearing  "disconnect button", they could hear  "user@irc.mozilla.org . disconnect button"
17:16:55 <aleth> Something like that. We should figure out what the desired behaviour is and then see how close we can get
17:18:20 <hadi> because i really can't find any other solution. the fix would be to just  disable the autofocus, so that  they could just arrow down/up the list then tab/shifttab to work with the required settings. but that'll just kill the "click on account, press space to disconnect" feature of instantbird.
17:19:03 <hadi> for sighted users that is
17:19:29 <aleth> What gets focused when you press shift-tab?
17:19:42 <flo-retina> I wonder if we can make the whole list item handle the space key, and display a fake focus outline on the button
17:19:53 <flo-retina> could be confusing too I guess
17:20:11 <clokep_> Could probably work though.
17:20:42 <hadi> flo-retina:  oo that's a good idea, you could make it so that if the focus is on an account (in the list)  pressing the space key disconnects it
17:21:53 <hadi> aleth:  the tab order is like this. (the list, sign-up at start up, disconnect button, delete button, properties, new account, close)
17:22:04 <hadi> if you press shift tab it'll go reverse
17:22:18 <aleth> And on which one do you get the account name?
17:22:26 <aleth> It seems none of those contain the desired info atm
17:22:26 <hadi> so when you are focused on the disconnect button, if you press shift tab, it'll land on sign-up at startup, and you can press spacebar to check/uncheck it
17:22:43 <hadi> the list
17:22:56 <hadi> the first one that at first the focus lands when you open  accounts window
17:23:33 <hadi> you need to press the shift+tab two times to  drop the focus onto the accounts list
17:24:00 <aleth> That's pretty bad UX for screenreaders indeed.
17:24:40 <hadi> so, for navigating through your accounts list, you need to (down arrow, shift tab, shift tab, down arrow again, shift tab, shift tab, down arrow ...)
17:24:42 <hadi> like that :d
17:25:16 <aleth> Definitely file a bug! ;)
17:25:20 <hadi> because whenever you down arrow it drops you on to the disconnect button
17:26:16 <hadi> aleth:  ok! I'll try~
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17:50:03 <instantbot> New Instantbird (UI) bug 2277 filed by hadirezaei@gmx.com.
17:50:04 <instantbot> Bug https://bugzilla.instantbird.org/show_bug.cgi?id=2277 nor, --, ---, nobody, UNCO, (a11y) selecting accounts in the account manager with arrow keys is hard do to autofocus on connecti
17:51:31 <hadi> I have never worked with bugzilla, what is CC list about?
17:53:45 <aleth> That's where you add your email address if you want to get emailed when something changes about the bug (someone comments or something)
17:53:55 <aleth> As the bug reporter, you automatically get emailed.
17:54:28 <hadi> oh i see. yeah i thought so. great
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18:00:09 <hadi> aleth:  a general question. the properties window of an account, all the editboxes  sounds wierd to my screenreader. when i arrow left and right, it does not read the letters as the cursor goes across them;do you have any ideas what's up?
18:00:30 <aleth> No. Sounds like another bug...
18:00:53 <aleth> Thanks for letting us know! None of the developers use screenreaders, so we rely on feedback...
18:01:03 <hadi> ok, i have checked the options window. privacy tab, the editBox of the AFK message. the letters can be read normally... hm.
18:01:18 <hadi> so only the properties window of accounts
18:02:17 <hadi> aleth:  no problems instantbird rocks already. these bugs are like, small ones :)
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18:05:02 <hadi> yes, same thing with the port settings,  and quit message field as well
18:08:13 <hadi> aleth:  is the properties window of account manager a component of account manager? i guess it is
18:08:51 <aleth> Yes
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18:19:04 <instantbot> New Instantbird (UI) bug 2278 filed by hadirezaei@gmx.com.
18:19:05 <instantbot> Bug https://bugzilla.instantbird.org/show_bug.cgi?id=2278 nor, --, ---, nobody, UNCO, (a11y) the letters in the text fields of the properties window will not be spoken by the ScreenReade
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