#instantbird log on 11 20 2013

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06:00:57 <instant-buildbot> build #1209 of macosx-nightly-default is complete: Success [3build successful]  Build details are at http://buildbot.instantbird.org/builders/macosx-nightly-default/builds/1209
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13:03:11 <clokep_> That guy asking about sounds asked "Hey, can you explain how to do this?" :-S
13:03:14 <clokep_> And replied just to me.
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13:33:57 <flo-retina> clokep_: I think the appropriate reply is "Hey there, you'll need to be a lot more specific about what you mean by "this" to receive useful answers. Thanks, <whoever sends the email>" ;)
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14:06:33 <flo-retina> alright, needinfo on https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=885740 for both mconley and Standard8. Last chance before a backout!
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14:13:00 <clokep_work> flo-retina: I think that's the prudent choice. :)
14:13:40 <flo-retina> it's bad that this is falling on Mike when he's so busy with Australis
14:13:44 <flo-retina> but that's not our fault :)
14:15:12 <flo-retina> btw, I'm a bit worried that at our current rate, 1.5 will be released in February :(
14:27:53 <clokep_work> Me too.
14:27:58 <clokep_work> What needs to get done that people can do? :P
14:30:51 <flo-retina> "motivating people"?
14:31:44 <flo-retina> I think we are in the situation that 0.2 has been stuck in for months, where everybody knows he's got stuff to do/finish, but doesn't feel pressure to actually do it, because a few other people also have stuff to finish, so each of the people finishing what's on their plate doesn't unblock the release in any way.
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14:50:35 <clokep_work> I think I'm out of things. :-/
14:50:38 <clokep_work> So feel pressured.
14:52:44 <flo-retina> clokep_work: really? You need more things?
14:53:15 <flo-retina> clokep_work: what's the status of bug 2148? :-P
14:53:16 <instantbot> Bug https://bugzilla.instantbird.org/show_bug.cgi?id=2148 nor, --, ---, clokep, ASSI, Remove VKontakte protocol
14:54:06 <flo-retina> I think someone also needs to go through https://bugzilla.instantbird.org/buglist.cgi?quicksearch=sw%3A1.5&list_id=6006 and remove the stuff that we aren't going to address soon anyway
14:54:15 <flo-retina> and possibly also add the stuff that are real blockers but aren't filed
14:54:23 <clokep_work> flo-retina: The status is that I hate oauth.
14:56:14 <flo-retina> off the top of my head, the linux buildbot slave is OOO, the partial updates rarely (if ever) work, updates sometimes don't work at all (permission issues when clearing the cache), the www-staging website isn't up, we don't get oncommit builds, we can't start builds by hand, buildbot-l10n is in a sorry state.
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17:52:40 <aleth> So on the 1.5 list, I see 1 Mac bug, 2 Linux build issues, 1 patch for nhnt11 to do (or not), a bunch of patches awaiting review, the mutation observer thing that noone knows how to solve, a bug that Mic said he could finish but hasn't, and that autojoin onhold issue where we don't know what the expected behaviour should be.
17:53:08 <aleth> That doesn't look too bad actually imho ;)
17:54:47 <aleth> Oh, and the vkontakte thing :(
17:55:23 <aleth> Maybe clokep would like to steal some reviews? ;)
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18:04:31 <Mook_as> hmm, which 1.5 list? quick bugzilla query for t:1.5 only returned the tooltip size thing...
18:05:16 <flo-retina> aleth: "we don't know what the expected behaviour should be." really?
18:05:29 <flo-retina> anyway, going home
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18:05:48 <Mook_as> ah, sw:1.5
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18:41:45 <flo-retina> so typing /ba<enter> results in a "Your account is disconnected because your status is currently set to offline." system message, but "/bac<enter>" runs the back command :-S
18:42:39 <aleth> Sounds like bug?
18:43:14 <clokep_work> aleth: Right, but the list of servers things is large. :(
18:46:25 <aleth> clokep_work: Right... :(
18:49:17 <flo-retina> aleth: so what's unclear about the expected behavior?
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19:10:19 <aleth> flo-retina: iirc whether to restrict that feature to autojoined channels or to find a better way to decide whether to remember on hold
19:10:53 <flo-retina> neither?
19:11:13 <aleth> see, it's unclear! :P
19:11:25 <flo-retina> what I had in mind was to remove from the "on hold" list when a _user_ action results in joining a channel
19:11:34 <flo-retina> so when typing /join or using the join chat dialog
19:12:25 <aleth> That's a good idea, but possibly not trivial to implement
19:12:35 <flo-retina> but yeah, restricting to auto-joined channels works (as long as we remember to cleanup the on-hold list whenever the value of the auto-join pref changes)
19:13:05 <flo-retina> it maybe better for privacy to avoid storing data we don't need
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19:14:35 <flo-retina1> "<aleth> That's a good idea, but possibly not trivial to implement" never arrived on my side :(
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19:14:51 <flo-retina1> even though the messages I typed later all reached instantbot's log :-S
19:15:07 <aleth> That's strange. You stopped receiving but not sending?
19:15:12 <flo-retina1> yeah
19:15:19 <flo-retina1> the wifi was being flaky
19:15:56 <flo-retina1> and then I noticed I was connected to my neighbor's router rather than mine, so I switched... and that obviously broke my ssh tunnel 
19:16:39 <aleth> That almost makes sense... if the router had better reception of you than you of it ;)
19:18:03 * flo-retina1 would like his macbook to not connect to his neighbor's wifi without prompting first
19:18:32 <flo-retina1> having their password as a backup connection for when my is down is great; but I don't want to abuse it for no reason...
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19:32:13 <flo-retina1> aleth: is this unblocked, now, or still has confused as before?
19:32:59 <aleth> flo-retina1: It seems unblocked in that the only way to decide how to fix it is to fix it.
19:33:32 <flo-retina1> heh, that's the status I thought the bug was in before our discussion ;)
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