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01:16:28 <instantbot> clokep@gmail.com denied review for attachment 3045 on bug 2249.
01:16:29 <instantbot> Bug https://bugzilla.instantbird.org/show_bug.cgi?id=2249 nor, --, ---, clokep, ASSI, Move more stuff to moz.build
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04:10:57 <clokep> flo-retina: I have a feeling I need a tutorial on the differences between MODULE and XPIDL_MODULE.
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05:28:50 <instant-buildbot> build #1185 of macosx-nightly-default is complete: Success [3build successful]  Build details are at http://buildbot.instantbird.org/builders/macosx-nightly-default/builds/1185
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07:56:11 <instant-buildbot> build #1156 of win32-nightly-default is complete: Success [3build successful]  Build details are at http://buildbot.instantbird.org/builders/win32-nightly-default/builds/1156
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10:10:16 <aleth> The nightly permissions are still not automatically set correctly
10:10:53 * aleth still thinks -p might help (if the permissions are correct before uploading)
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10:26:31 <flo-retina> "(if the permissions are correct before uploading)" I wouldn't bet on that
10:26:59 <flo-retina> aleth: to be clear, when I fix it "by hand" I don't change the permissions, but the group of the files
10:28:22 <flo-retina> aleth: you should have an update
10:28:38 <flo-retina> well, no, you shouldn't
10:28:46 <flo-retina> the linux builder didn't came online this night
10:29:07 <aleth> Hmm, I'm not sure -p would cover groups.
10:29:25 <aleth> flo-retina: More ISP trouble?
10:29:53 <flo-retina> aleth: no
10:30:04 <flo-retina> my faulty ISP is responsible for the Mac mess
10:30:10 <flo-retina> (it failed only 2 nightlies this night)
10:30:28 <flo-retina> (and mac had a successful nightly before Windows finished! :))
10:30:40 <aleth> Sometimes it works :)
10:31:00 <flo-retina> I suspect the ISP issues are related to the wind
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10:31:49 <aleth> So the linux builder was just offline for some random reason?
10:37:23 * aleth dislikes random reasons
10:51:05 <Mic> I'm seeing bug 2243 a lot :(
10:51:07 <instantbot> Bug https://bugzilla.instantbird.org/show_bug.cgi?id=2243 min, --, ---, nobody, NEW, Time since last message in Bubbles theme only showing after switching tabs
10:51:59 <aleth> Do you know why it happens? Is it a regression?
10:52:20 <Mic> I don't know.
10:53:11 <Mic> I noticed a moment ago that it's not just the text but that scrolling up the last message doesn't start either if I don't switch away from the tab :(
10:53:15 <aleth> If it doesn't happen with one of my Bubbles variants (which I haven't updated yet), it'll be a regression
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10:53:36 <Mic> Great, now the scrolling *did* start.
10:53:38 <Mic> :S
10:54:15 <Mic> Anyway, getting something for lunch now has priority ;)
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11:49:03 <flo-retina> aleth: how much work would it be to make the tooltip code do something similar to the context menu to decide if a nick is in the contact list, and then show the correct status?
11:49:54 <aleth> Interesting idea.
11:51:07 <instantbot> clokep@gmail.com requested review from florian@instantbird .org for attachment 3046 on bug 2249.
11:51:08 <instantbot> Bug https://bugzilla.instantbird.org/show_bug.cgi?id=2249 nor, --, ---, clokep, ASSI, Move more stuff to moz.build
11:52:33 <flo-retina> "TESTING_JS_MODULES doesn't exist in moz.build" :(
11:53:13 <clokep> flo-retina: Btw I tested that by http://mxr.mozilla.org/comm-central/search?string=TESTING_JS_MODULES ...which still lists that in Makefiles
11:53:50 <instantbot> New Instantbird (UI) bug 2250 filed by aleth@instantbird.org.
11:53:51 <instantbot> Bug https://bugzilla.instantbird.org/show_bug.cgi?id=2250 enh, --, ---, nobody, NEW, Participant tooltips should set presence info
11:53:53 <flo-retina> clokep: sure. I'm not saying this is wrong. It's just unfortunate.
11:56:43 <clokep> :( I Agree.
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13:31:48 <clokep_work> aleth: How does the context menu find the appropriate accountbuddy?
13:32:46 <aleth> clokep_work: http://lxr.instantbird.org/instantbird/source/instantbird/content/nsContextMenu.js#170
13:33:52 <clokep_work> aleth: Ahhh.... http://lxr.instantbird.org/instantbird/source/instantbird/content/nsContextMenu.js#139
13:33:56 <clokep_work> That's what I was wondering. :)
13:34:15 <aleth> I'm still hoping nhnt11 will fix that one for 1.5 ;) If he reappears...
13:34:41 <clokep_work> It's like these kids have jobs or something.
13:35:19 <aleth> I'd have fixed it but you need to be able to build.
13:35:41 <flo-retina> aleth: which fix are you discussing?
13:36:03 <aleth> bug 2115
13:36:04 <instantbot> Bug https://bugzilla.instantbird.org/show_bug.cgi?id=2115 nor, --, ---, nobody, NEW, Provide a way to obtain the normalizedName of a nick
13:36:09 <clokep_work> aleth: That's probably one I should look at...
13:36:23 <aleth> Shouldn't be difficult now.
13:37:08 * flo-retina is confused
13:37:16 <flo-retina> is this related to setting status in the tooltips?
13:37:31 <flo-retina> or just fixing the normalization issue in the context menu?
13:37:35 <aleth> That too, but clokep was asking about the context menu.
13:38:07 <aleth> The most important thing it's needed for is a stats service bug.
13:39:16 <flo-retina> isn't it getBuddyByNameAndProtocol that needs to be fixed, to let each prpl handle the normalization/request?
13:40:03 <aleth> No, because you have to be able to get the normalized name as the unique identifier for various different functions in our APIs
13:40:13 <flo-retina> wait, isn't it the account buddy that you want, and not the buddy?
13:40:18 <flo-retina> you already have the account, don't you?
13:40:58 <flo-retina> "various different functions". I see only getting the log folder. Are there others?
13:41:49 <aleth> I don't know, I didn't check. But that's an important one.
13:44:39 <clokep_work> Either way, wouldn't getBuddyByNameAndProtocol want to be able to call a function on the prplIAccount or something?
13:44:44 <clokep_work> So it would need to be added to the prpl.
13:45:25 <flo-retina> clokep_work: isn't this what I'm saying?
13:46:13 <aleth> Adding a getLogs... and a getBuddyBy... to each prpl smells like duplication to me when all that is needed is the normalized name
13:46:35 <flo-retina> aleth: err?
13:47:10 <flo-retina> aleth: getting the normalized name is needed. What I am saying (and maybe clokep too) is that getBuddyByNameAndProtocol should call that getNormalizedName method, not the UI.
13:47:32 <aleth> flo-retina: Oh OK, I agree with that.
13:47:54 <aleth> All I'm saying is that we still need to expose getNormalizedName because the stats service needs it.
13:53:03 <clokep_work> flo-retina: I think we all agree on that.
13:57:06 <clokep_work> Then we just need to figure out a way to have an AccountBuddy w/o a Buddy. ;)
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15:02:14 <clokep_work> flo-retina: Do you think you'll be able to call in to the TB Status Meeting today to bitch people out?
15:02:50 <flo-retina> if someone reminds me half an hour ago, I guess I should
15:03:18 <flo-retina> I actually wanted to play nice and attach a patch to move the new icon to mail/themes/mac/ at the same time as I complain
15:03:36 <flo-retina> + give a full r- to the other patch, with reasons why the patch isn't correct
15:07:41 <clokep_work> I assume that won't happen beforehand? :)
15:07:56 <flo-retina> I don't know
15:08:14 <flo-retina> I could likely find an hour to poke at it
15:08:22 <flo-retina> if that feels more important than other stuff
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15:36:07 <aleth> clokep_work: How hard would it be to add an irc:// handler?
15:37:40 <clokep_work> aleth: A few hours worth of work to get an initial one in there.
15:37:56 <clokep_work> Do we have a bug filed about that?
15:38:01 <clokep_work> I keep forgetting to even think about that...
15:38:28 <aleth> Hmm
15:38:30 <aleth> bug 516?
15:38:32 <instantbot> Bug https://bugzilla.instantbird.org/show_bug.cgi?id=516 enh, --, ---, nobody, NEW, Register protocol handlers for IM protocols
15:39:33 <aleth> The difficult part is probably throwing up the UI for creating an account for the server if one doesn't already exist?
15:39:49 <clokep_work> I think bug 516 refers to doing it for libpurple ones?
15:39:58 <aleth> It's an old bug.
15:40:20 <aleth> I've never seen anything other than irc://
15:41:09 <clokep_work> aim links were super popular back in the day.
15:41:14 <clokep_work> And I've seen skype links.
15:41:23 <aleth> Right, skype...
15:41:36 <clokep_work> Things like Facebook will usually have all your IM names linked.
15:42:32 <clokep_work> aleth: Are you bored? :P I can help you work on it...
15:42:52 <aleth> No, I don't have time right now, I just stumbled over such a link.
15:43:43 <clokep_work> I'd like to do that and then linkify things in IRC.
15:44:06 <clokep_work> The hard part is...what happens if the user doesn't have an account on that network?
15:44:06 <aleth> Linkify channels? nice...
15:44:24 <clokep_work> Do you just do nothing?
15:44:26 <aleth> heh ;) http://log.bezut.info/instantbird/today#m196
15:44:27 <clokep_work> Do you throw an error?
15:44:30 <clokep_work> Do you create one?
15:44:49 <clokep_work> Sure, but is that even the right thing to do? :)
15:45:14 <aleth> It's the only thing that will work if people encounter irc links on websites?
15:46:29 <aleth> But I don't know what the right UI would be.
15:47:36 <clokep_work> Just bring up the account wizard on the right page?
15:47:51 <clokep_work> OK, but what if you have multiple ones on the right network? :-D
15:48:02 <clokep_work> (Also never mind knowing what the right "network" is.)
15:48:06 <flo-retina> clokep_work: I would say account wizard on the username step of the IRC prpl, with the server name prefilled
15:48:11 <aleth> Edge cases :P leave for followups ;)
15:48:36 <clokep_work> flo-retina: Yes, that's what I just suggested. :)
15:50:04 <clokep_work> I don't think the parsing is that bad btw, it's all the other bits and pieces.
15:54:31 <flo-retina> Isn't parsing already handled by Services.io?
15:56:26 <clokep_work> It depends what you mean by "parsing".
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18:59:13 <nhnt11> Hi
18:59:25 <nhnt11> Sorry I've been away. I've had a lot of stuff going on.
19:02:46 <clokep_work> nhnt11: :P Any chance of getting some of your time for IB soon? :)
19:02:56 <clokep_work> I think there's a couple half finished patches no one wants to steal.
19:03:11 <nhnt11> Right, I've been trying to keep track of bugmail
19:03:17 <nhnt11> let me look at the notification bar bug now..
19:03:26 <nhnt11> bug 2208
19:03:27 <aleth> nhnt11: That's life ;)
19:03:27 <instantbot> Bug https://bugzilla.instantbird.org/show_bug.cgi?id=2208 nor, --, ---, nhnt11, ASSI, Show a notification bar in the awesometab while log sweeping.
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19:06:00 <nhnt11> By the way, I've been trying to update my nightly (a couple times this morning and right now) but it keeps getting stuck after about 1MB (it resumes properly if I pause and restart it though)
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19:14:43 <clokep_work> nhnt11: Could it be your connection?
19:14:56 <nhnt11> Nothing else is affected
19:15:11 <nhnt11> The same thing happens when I use http://ftp.instantbird.com/instantbird/nightly/latest-trunk/instantbird-1.5a1pre.en-US.mac.dmg
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19:38:15 * flo-retina pushed to try-comm-central again the Tb add-on
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20:16:04 <Michael_> Hello und good evening from Germany. I don't if I'm right here. I have a question about Instandbird and facebook.
20:16:45 <clokep_work> Michael_: Please just go ahead and ask.
20:17:00 <Mook_as> Hi, I'm pretty sure this is the right place to ask. (But yes, we can't answer unasked questions.)
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20:20:02 <Michael_> ok, thax. I already check the FAQ and the block. But I cant find some about my problem. I know you can sort people in List, but it dosnt works with my facebook friends. For example: My Friend hast YM, ICQ, Jabber an FB, I can sort him under on name, but the FB account will go back in the facbook list.
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20:20:50 <clokep_work> Michael_: You cannot move Facebook contacts to different groups.
20:21:01 <clokep_work> It's a design choice with the Facebook server, not with Instantbird.
20:22:04 <clokep_work> I think that's what you're asking, at least...
20:22:08 <flo-retina> clokep_work: will the facebook username stay the same?
20:22:19 <flo-retina> clokep_work: if it stays the same, adding another tag should work
20:22:29 <flo-retina> and then it should be possible to just hide the "Facebook Friends" tag
20:23:23 <clokep_work> Michael_: Bug 533
20:23:25 <instantbot> Bug https://bugzilla.instantbird.org/show_bug.cgi?id=533 nor, --, ---, nobody, NEW, Buddy list problems with Facebook chat
20:23:45 <clokep_work> flo-retina: I don't know, do we cache tags locally though? I don't think that works...
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20:24:19 <flo-retina> clokep_work: the goal of what I said is to keep the "facebook friend" tag on the account buddy, and add another tag on the contact.
20:24:34 <flo-retina> contact tags are obviously stored locally :)
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20:25:37 <clokep_work> flo-retina: Ah, you mean of a merged contact? Yes. That would owrk.
20:26:01 <flo-retina> clokep_work: we create a contact for buddies that have more than one tag
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20:26:23 <flo-retina> so just adding a tag to the contact is enough, you don't have to "merge" anything.
20:26:46 <clokep_work> Hmm....OK.
20:26:48 <clokep_work> I don't think that works.
20:28:11 <Michael_> @flo-retina... yes, this is what I mean. I pidgin you can yous a 'patch' named SciLorsAntiFacebookFriends. Is a libpurble 'thing' but I don't know if you can use like that with  Instandbird, and where I have to put it if...
20:28:28 <Michael_> excuse my english, I'm not native speaker. :)
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20:35:01 <flo-retina> Michael_: are you actually trying to patch Instantbird and recompile it?
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20:36:22 <Michael_> no. This patch works with the portable version from PortableApps too? 
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20:39:25 <Michael_> btw... I use windows, not Linux or mac... sorry forgot to tell.
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20:44:59 <Michael_> I send my question to contact@instantbird.org and attach the SciLorsAntiFacebookFriendPidgin.zip. So they can see the files. Maybe it's helpfull to them. So, I have to live first with this facebook list :) 
20:46:00 <Michael_> Thanks a lot  for the information and help here. A nice day or night to your all here. B4N :-)
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21:56:41 <clokep> Hello!
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22:09:28 <clokep> So...anyone want to help me figure out a good way that we can test the BIO->BMO stuff and start cranking on it a bit?
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22:36:40 <flo-retina> clokep: what do you need?
22:38:55 <clokep> flo-retina: Motivation.
22:41:07 <flo-retina> It may be difficult for me to supply that :-|.
22:42:30 <clokep> You did seem to have an idea about how I could test it better thouhg?
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23:03:55 <flo-retina> clokep: well, I would just "test it"
23:04:08 <flo-retina> clokep: I would setup a copy of our existing bugzilla on some random server (ideally localhost)
23:04:28 <flo-retina> clokep: and then run the import into some server (landfill?) over and over again, until I'm satisfied by the results
23:04:46 <flo-retina> you don't have to cleanup the previous imports before importing again, you'll jsut create a new set of bugs with larger numbers
23:04:54 <flo-retina> well, at least that's what _I_ would do.
23:05:35 <clokep> And the local BZ is just to make it faster?
23:06:52 <flo-retina> clokep: to be sure to not mess up the real one
23:07:14 <flo-retina> you don't want to kill our server with 2k requests per second
23:07:29 <flo-retina> (eg if you requests all the bugs at once)
23:07:51 <clokep> Got it. :)
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23:20:43 * clokep wonders if it would be easier to use https://github.com/LegNeato/bztools/ :-/
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23:34:29 <flo-retina> https://tbpl.mozilla.org/?tree=Thunderbird-Try&rev=307c8853ded4 doesn't look like a full success :-S