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<clokep_wp8> Flirian: Are both nicks in the group? 12:26:11 <clokep_wp8> Dis you change anything in your set up? 12:26:21 <-- clokep_wp8 has quit (Connection reset by peer) 12:30:57 <flo-retina> clokep_wp8: that was on the account "flo@moznet" and it turned out it was connected on "flo1" instead of "flo" 12:31:20 <flo-retina> I typed /nick flo and that worked. And I was identified. 12:31:26 <flo-retina> I didn't understand what exactly happened 12:42:01 <-- FireFly_TB has quit (Input/output error) 12:54:18 --> FireFly_TB has joined #instantbird 13:15:33 <clokep> flo-retina: OK. :) Glad you figured it out. 13:17:31 --> nhnt11 has joined #instantbird 13:42:13 --> aleth has joined #instantbird 13:42:13 * ChanServ sets mode +h aleth 13:50:55 <flo-retina> clokep: I haven't figured anything out :-S 13:52:35 <nhnt11> aleth: I just realized I still have to review those patches. Sorry. :( 13:53:13 <clokep> flo-retina: It soudns to me like you just solved it? 13:55:50 <flo-retina> clokep: no, I don't understand why nickserv insulted me, why I was connected on "flo1" although "flo" wasn't in use, and why after switching to "flo" I was identified (without doing anything by hand for that). 13:57:49 <instantbot> nhnt11@gmail.com granted review for attachment 2993 on bug 2048. 13:57:50 <instantbot> Bug https://bugzilla.instantbird.org/show_bug.cgi?id=2048 nor, --, ---, nobody, NEW, Click on awesometab when window is unfocused should not open conversation 14:00:21 <instantbot> nhnt11@gmail.com granted review for attachment 2998 on bug 2227. 14:00:22 <instantbot> Bug https://bugzilla.instantbird.org/show_bug.cgi?id=2227 nor, --, ---, aleth, ASSI, Don't keep recalculating possibleChat ids 14:02:05 <clokep> flo-retina: "why after switching to "flo" I was identified (without doing anything by hand for that)." because (at your request) aleth and I worked very hard to make this just work. 14:02:15 <clokep> I don't know why you connected as flo1 though. 14:02:25 <flo-retina> clokep: congrats then! :-[ 14:03:05 <flo-retina> clokep: I have a vague suspicion it could be related to the SET KILL QUICK I did yesterday 14:03:16 <flo-retina> although it's strange it happened for "flo" and not "flo-retina" 14:03:46 <flo-retina> (flo doesn't auto-join anything, so I can't even blame server throttling because of auto-joining many channels) 14:04:25 --> Huvik has joined #instantbird 14:04:25 <-- Huvik has quit (Client exited) 14:05:38 --> dionisos has joined #instantbird 14:05:44 <clokep> I doubt it, you'd end up as IRCMonkey#### in that case. 14:13:17 <flo-retina> yeah 14:13:25 <flo-retina> so I've really got no idea of what happened :-S 14:14:55 <instantbot> nhnt11@gmail.com granted review for attachment 2995 on bug 2049. 14:14:56 <instantbot> Bug https://bugzilla.instantbird.org/show_bug.cgi?id=2049 nor, --, ---, nobody, NEW, Awesometab should filter on all contacts not just preferred buddy 14:15:10 <nhnt11> aleth: Sorry again for forgetting about those reviews :( 14:20:37 --> jb has joined #instantbird 14:21:09 <-- jb has quit (Connection reset by peer) 14:21:11 --> jb1 has joined #instantbird 14:38:41 <-- jb1 has quit (Quit: jb1) 14:39:21 --> jb has joined #instantbird 14:41:41 <clokep> flo-retina: Well, I guess if it keeps happening get a debug log and we'll take a look at it? 14:41:51 <flo-retina> yeah, that's my guess too 14:43:41 <clokep> Ah, the awesometab should be useful to me now that Bug 2049 is fixed! :) 14:43:43 <instantbot> Bug https://bugzilla.instantbird.org/show_bug.cgi?id=2049 nor, --, ---, nobody, NEW, Awesometab should filter on all contacts not just preferred buddy 14:47:34 <flo-retina> I wonder if the awesometab performance bugs related to LIST are finally fixed 14:47:50 <flo-retina> I thought we landed a patch for it, but still saw the bug, but wasn't sure if my nightly was up to date or not 14:47:57 <flo-retina> now I know I'm on the latest one 14:48:15 <clokep> :) 14:48:33 <clokep> Are nightlies all working now? And doing partial updates? 14:48:38 <clokep> (I.e. what's the status of the serve rmigration?)) 14:49:01 <nhnt11> Well, I'm currently downloading a full update (so partials aren't working?) 14:50:08 <flo-retina> clokep: no, no, headache :(. (respectively) 14:50:44 <flo-retina> so I fixed yesterday the issue between the mac slave and the new buildbot master 14:51:02 <flo-retina> the windows/linux VMs seem to have an issue caused by a vmware update. 14:51:31 <flo-retina> for the partial updates not being offered (even though the files are generated and correctly uploaded to the server), we have no idea of the cause; we need to debug it 14:53:06 <clokep> :( Let us know if we can help at all. 14:56:57 --> gerard-majax__ has joined #instantbird 15:00:09 --> mconley has joined #instantbird 15:16:38 <-- mconley has quit (Input/output error) 15:19:11 <-- novabyte has quit (Quit: Leaving.) 15:34:39 <clokep> Mic: aleth flo-retina So...let's talk 1.5. What needs to be done, Are there bugs that are actually blocking us or just things we want? 15:34:55 <clokep> We can't really string freeze since the l10n-buildbot is offline. 15:35:11 <flo-retina> clokep: I think you could have pinged nhnt11 and qheaden too ;) 15:35:23 <clokep> I didn't think they were here. :) 15:36:10 <nhnt11> I'm here 15:37:10 <flo-retina> http://buildbot-l10n.instantbird.org/waterfall doesn't seem offline to me. But maybe you meant the builder. 15:37:39 <clokep> I meant the builder. ;) 15:37:43 <clokep> And my info might be out of date. 15:38:10 <flo-retina> the "good" news is that our onCommit builds are broken in a way that's very similar to what broke buildbot-l10n's builds months ago 15:38:17 <flo-retina> so maybe we will _have_ to figure it out this time 15:38:32 <flo-retina> (I'm not talking about the configure issue... that's another problem that we should just fix) 15:39:01 <Mic> nhnt11, aleth: there's bugs marked as blockers on the AwesomeTab etherpad but not in Bugzilla. 15:39:40 <Mic> Are all of these blockers really blockers? 15:39:41 <flo-retina> It's not clear to me what our plan for 1.5 on Linux is. 15:39:49 <Mic> If yes we should mark them as such in BIO. 15:40:01 <flo-retina> Are we adding a 64 bit builder? Getting an up to date 32 bit slave? Both? 15:40:21 <Mic> Sorry, I meant "we should mark blockers as such in BIO." 15:41:06 <flo-retina> Mic: IMHO most of these don't really block. But I know aleth feels differently, so I think he and nhnt11 should figure out what's reasonable to consider for 1.5 given the time they have available. 15:41:43 <nhnt11> flo-retina, aleth, Mic: I'm going to take a few minutes (maybe not now, I'm a bit busy, but soon) to order those blocking bugs on the etherpad by priority 15:42:10 <nhnt11> I'm going to try and make myself free to write some code in the coming days, I'd be sad if the awesometab didn't make 1.5 ;) 15:42:24 <Mic> ?? 15:42:31 <flo-retina> clokep et all: do you think a general 1.5 status pad (or even a trello board?) would be helpful? 15:43:22 <Mic> What is a trello board? 15:43:47 <flo-retina> Mic: https://trello.com/ 15:44:03 <flo-retina> Mic: it's a collaborative todo list. 15:44:14 <flo-retina> Mic: or a virtual/collaborative post-it wall. 15:45:12 <Mic> I tried this "Sopler" thing that I saw on PMO today, works well for small lists that you want to easily share with others. 15:45:25 <Mic> OK, that might be slightly OT now ;) 15:45:39 <nhnt11> Er, not sure if that "??" was for me, but if it was, I meant - I should probably look at bugs which cause errors first.. 15:45:43 <nhnt11> Mic^ 15:46:32 <nhnt11> Ah, the log sweeping notification still isn't ready :/ 15:47:14 <Mic> I'll be away and back for a a while and will leave in <1h by the way. 15:47:34 <Mic> Not sure if that's important for any of you. 15:47:37 <flo-retina> is "a while" in minutes, hours, days, months? 15:47:58 <Mic> About half and hour. I need to finish some things and have something for dinner before I leave. 15:48:04 <Mic> *half an hour 15:48:11 <flo-retina> I'll have meetings ;) 15:48:26 <Mic> nhnt11: I think some of the bugs on the pad are having a patch waiting to be checked in. 15:48:34 --> mconley has joined #instantbird 15:48:50 <nhnt11> Right 15:50:04 <clokep> flo-retina: I think we should add 64-bit, but that's up to you, Even and aleth... 15:50:22 <flo-retina> clokep: we've got plenty of disk space on the new server 15:50:34 <flo-retina> clokep: so it's mostly a matter of setting up a VM somewhere 15:50:50 <flo-retina> if we just pick a random ubuntu (I would pick the lts one), it should be relatively trivial 15:51:24 <clokep> OK. :) 15:51:30 <flo-retina> what's making our Linux32bit story super painful is that we purposefully use very old software to be binary compatible with as many old distros as (un)reasonably possible 15:51:35 <clokep> I'd prefer whatever means I don't have to make an account btw. ;) 15:51:47 <flo-retina> make an account? 15:51:53 <clokep> (Trello vs. Etherpad) 15:51:57 <flo-retina> oh :) 15:52:36 <-- mconley has quit (Input/output error) 15:55:03 <-- dionisos has quit (Ping timeout) 15:56:16 <clokep> Please add everything to https://etherpad.mozilla.org/ib-1-5 15:57:45 * flo-retina dumped what's at the top of his head 16:00:43 <-- gerard-majax__ has quit (Ping timeout) 16:05:14 <clokep> Mic: Can you update your saved search to 1.5? 16:10:46 <clokep> That list doesn't look too too bad. :) 16:15:04 <clokep> flo-retina: Any chance oyu can try moz25 on Mac at some point soonish? 16:15:34 <flo-retina> I considered doing it yesterday 16:18:56 <Mic> clokep: I sent me a memo, will do that later. 16:18:59 <Mic> Have a nice day! 16:19:00 <clokep> aleth: nhnt11 Can you elaborate about what needs to be finished in the awesometab. 16:19:12 <clokep> Mic. :) 16:19:33 <Mic> Your nick-mentions suck :P 16:20:01 <-- Mic has quit (Quit: Instantbird -- http://www.instantbird.com) 16:20:29 <clokep> They do. :( 16:21:09 <aleth> nhnt11: Imho the remaining bugs marked as blockers on the awesometab etherpad should not be too difficult to fix 16:21:19 <nhnt11> i agree 16:21:21 <aleth> The ones marked "wanted" vary and are up to you. 16:21:41 --> mconley has joined #instantbird 16:23:27 <flo-retina> anybody volunteering for bug 2232? 16:23:29 <instantbot> Bug https://bugzilla.instantbird.org/show_bug.cgi?id=2232 nor, --, ---, nobody, NEW, Only remember on-hold state for autojoined conversations 16:23:56 <flo-retina> clokep: what's the status of bug 2148? 16:23:57 <instantbot> Bug https://bugzilla.instantbird.org/show_bug.cgi?id=2148 nor, --, ---, clokep, ASSI, Remove VKontakte protocol 16:23:58 <aleth> It didn't seem like it was completely clear what is wanted there 16:24:14 <flo-retina> and bug 1587? 16:24:16 <instantbot> Bug https://bugzilla.instantbird.org/show_bug.cgi?id=1587 min, --, 1.5, clokep, REOP, Re-sync installer with comm-central 16:25:51 <clokep> flo-retina: bug 2148...needs me to beat my head against a wall more (and maybe to have some discussions with you in private where I won't mind sharing account details?) 16:26:05 <clokep> Bug 1587...doesn't need to be fixed for 1.5. 16:26:15 <clokep> But I need to take another look at it and see what the status is. 16:26:58 <flo-retina> clokep: so the part Idon't understand about bug 2148 is... do you feel it's reasonable to start writing a new js prpl for 1.5 at this point? 16:26:59 <instantbot> Bug https://bugzilla.instantbird.org/show_bug.cgi?id=2148 nor, --, ---, clokep, ASSI, Remove VKontakte protocol 16:27:19 <clokep> It's crazy, but that doesn't mean I wouldn't like to do it. :-D 16:28:29 <clokep> (Also the re-sync installer one looks like it's waiting for a question to be answered by...the wind.) 16:29:50 <flo-retina> clokep: that blocks any string freeze 16:30:09 <aleth> Anyone still notice any awesomejank with the latest nightly? 16:30:21 <clokep> flo-retina: SO there aren't any new strings. I just moved them, we could always use the old bundles. 16:30:56 <flo-retina> aleth: I haven't noticed today, but haven't really paid attention as I was distracted by nickserv 16:31:06 <aleth> It's gone for me. 16:31:55 <aleth> And it should be a little better still tomorrow ;) 16:32:09 * clokep should do the checkin-needed... 16:32:30 <clokep> flo-retina: So the VK thing, if we don't do it...should we just kill the prpl? I really dislike that idea. :( 16:39:36 --> wnayes has joined #instantbird 16:40:44 <-- FireFly_TB has quit (Ping timeout) 16:41:54 <flo-retina> clokep: I wasn't sure if we were waiting for a green Linux/Windows nightly before doing more checkins 16:42:02 <flo-retina> I don't remember if we had working nightlies since the previous set of checkins 16:42:22 <aleth> flo-retina: I don't think there were any checkins since Nov 2 (the last nightlies) 16:42:26 <flo-retina> oh, we did 16:42:49 <clokep> flo-retina: I thought we had green nightlies since then. 16:42:51 <flo-retina> latest checkin was bug 1928, and we have a newer nightly for each OS 16:42:53 <instantbot> Bug https://bugzilla.instantbird.org/show_bug.cgi?id=1928 maj, --, ---, florian, NEW, Crash [@ purpleAccountBuddy::Get* ] during shutdown 16:42:57 <clokep> Yeah. :) 16:43:06 <flo-retina> well, we had only one nightly per OS since that 16:43:12 <flo-retina> poor performance... :( 16:43:32 <aleth> Nightlies on rotation ;) 16:46:21 <clokep> Does that mean I can push? :P 16:47:12 <flo-retina> clokep: yes! 16:47:24 <flo-retina> clokep: as long as it's not moz25 that you push ;) 16:48:06 <clokep> O:-) 16:48:16 <clokep> I messed up the moz24 one so bad last time I'll let you do that. 16:49:28 <clokep> flo-retina: None of the four patches being pushed involve you or me as a author or reviewer. :) 16:49:41 <flo-retina> I don't remember what you did :) 16:50:29 <instantbot> clokep@gmail.com set the Resolution field on bug 2048 to FIXED. 16:50:30 <instantbot> Bug https://bugzilla.instantbird.org/show_bug.cgi?id=2048 nor, --, 1.5, aleth, RESO FIXED, Click on awesometab when window is unfocused should not open conversation 16:50:38 <aleth> clokep: Did you want to review SIPE for 1.5? 16:50:50 <instantbot> clokep@gmail.com set the Resolution field on bug 2227 to FIXED. 16:50:51 <instantbot> Bug https://bugzilla.instantbird.org/show_bug.cgi?id=2227 nor, --, 1.5, aleth, RESO FIXED, Don't keep recalculating possibleChat ids 16:51:30 <instantbot> clokep@gmail.com set the Resolution field on bug 2049 to FIXED. 16:51:31 <instantbot> Bug https://bugzilla.instantbird.org/show_bug.cgi?id=2049 nor, --, 1.5, aleth, RESO FIXED, Awesometab should filter on all contacts not just preferred buddy 16:51:51 <instantbot> clokep@gmail.com set the Resolution field on bug 2205 to FIXED. 16:51:52 <instantbot> Bug https://bugzilla.instantbird.org/show_bug.cgi?id=2205 nor, --, 1.5, benediktp, RESO FIXED, Error from log sweeping with a fresh profile 16:52:20 <clokep> flo-retina: Pushed w/ the wrong bug ID. :( THen it didn't work and we had a bunch of followups... 16:52:41 <flo-retina> well, we tend to have 2-4 follow-ups after each moz update... 16:53:54 <instantbot> New Instantbird (UI) bug 2240 filed by aleth@instantbird.org. 16:53:55 <instantbot> Bug https://bugzilla.instantbird.org/show_bug.cgi?id=2240 nor, --, ---, nobody, NEW, Existing conversations should filter on all contacts 16:54:06 <instantbot> Check-in: http://hg.instantbird.org/instantbird/rev/ab6d7efaadd3 - aleth - Bug 2049 - Awesometab should filter on all contacts not just preferred buddy, r=nhnt11. 16:54:08 <instantbot> Check-in: http://hg.instantbird.org/instantbird/rev/70049aae9f19 - aleth - Bug 2227 - Don't keep recalculating possibleChat ids, r=nhnt11. 16:54:09 <instantbot> Check-in: http://hg.instantbird.org/instantbird/rev/799ea0654fac - aleth - Bug 2048 - Click on awesometab when window is unfocused should not open conversation, r=nhnt11. 16:54:10 <instantbot> Check-in: http://hg.instantbird.org/instantbird/rev/199c16554b22 - Benedikt Pfeifer - Bug 2205 - Error from log sweeping with a fresh profile, r=aleth. 16:54:14 <clokep> aleth: I'm concerned about the number of bugs you just added to blocking. :( 16:54:38 <aleth> clokep: It's only what's been previously discussed. 16:54:39 <flo-retina> clokep: I think he also volunteered to do the reviews there ;) 16:55:15 <clokep> Or patches. 16:55:36 <aleth> clokep: Some already have WIPs 16:55:37 <flo-retina> ;) 16:56:01 * clokep wonders why bug 2015 still exists and has things blocking it... 16:56:02 <instantbot> Bug https://bugzilla.instantbird.org/show_bug.cgi?id=2015 enh, --, 1.5, nhnt11, RESO FIXED, Display buddy list in a tab. 16:56:56 <aleth> Well, those are just followup bugs that were filed a long time ago ;) 16:57:26 <clokep> OK. :) 16:59:07 <aleth> It's been a busy summer for nhnt11 ;) https://bugzilla.instantbird.org/showdependencygraph.cgi?id=1583 16:59:56 * clokep isn't impressed ;) https://bugzilla.instantbird.org/showdependencygraph.cgi?id=507&display=web&rankdir=TB 17:00:29 <aleth> It's been a busy few years for clokep :P 17:00:54 <flo-retina> do we have a tab completion meta bug for aleth? 17:01:13 <aleth> I don't think so. 17:02:42 <clokep> No, but that would have been fun... 17:03:15 <flo-retina> looks like I'll have a long (4 days!) and rainy week-end. I'll likely need something interesting to hack on. 17:03:32 * clokep is off on Monday too. 17:03:37 <clokep> SO I'll likely have some time to hack. 17:03:45 <clokep> I should finish some of my WIPs. 17:03:46 <flo-retina> clokep: Friday and Monday for me! :) 17:03:58 * aleth wondered earlier if clokep would like SIPE in 1.5 17:04:32 <clokep> aleth: I would...I don't ever seem to have time for a review.. :-/ 17:05:58 --> gerard-majax__ has joined #instantbird 17:08:54 <-- gerard-majax__ has quit (Ping timeout) 17:10:40 <-- nhnt11 has quit (Ping timeout) 17:14:22 --> gerard-majax__ has joined #instantbird 17:21:41 <clokep> ALthough I seem to have time now. 17:21:44 * clokep sighs. 17:22:40 <aleth> Nothing in your review queue any more? :) 17:25:55 <clokep> aleth: Only the patch you kept not requesting review from me on. 17:26:27 --> nhnt11 has joined #instantbird 17:27:15 <clokep> aleth: So what is your concern in bug 1983? 17:27:17 <instantbot> Bug https://bugzilla.instantbird.org/show_bug.cgi?id=1983 tri, --, ---, aleth, ASSI, Default normalizedName normalization is too aggressive 17:27:19 <clokep> Backwards compatibility? 17:27:27 <aleth> heh :P 17:27:38 <aleth> clokep: Sure. 17:27:50 <clokep> Is that what is concerning you about the space/ 17:28:15 <aleth> I suppose technically the 'correct' solution would be to make the change and migrate/rename all the log folders on startup. 17:28:21 <clokep> I don't understand if you LIKE the current patch or DISLIKE it. 17:28:24 <clokep> That's what's confusing me. 17:29:24 <aleth> The current patch is trivial in that it doesn't change anything apart from the jsProtoHelper default. So I like it (it's an improvement). 17:29:43 <aleth> We could /also/ change normalizeName for twitter but then we'd have to discuss what to do about backwards compatibility. 17:31:14 <instantbot> clokep@gmail.com denied review for attachment 3016 on bug 1983. 17:31:15 <instantbot> Bug https://bugzilla.instantbird.org/show_bug.cgi?id=1983 tri, --, ---, aleth, ASSI, Default normalizedName normalization is too aggressive 17:32:01 <clokep> OK, but that's not clea rin the bug / patch. :) 17:32:21 <aleth> clokep: isn't it clearly spelt out in the bug title? ;) 17:33:34 * clokep sighs. 17:33:44 <clokep> aleth: What's not clear is what your patch fixes and doesn't fix. 17:33:48 <aleth> clokep: I don't understand your latest comment. Obviously if we /change/ the /current/ normalization for twitter we have to worry about backwards compatibility. I agree the correct normalization for twitter, ideally, would be toLowerCase. 17:35:18 <clokep> aleth: My point is that there should be a comment in the code saying "This is wrong for twitter, but changing it breaks backwards compatiibility" 17:35:29 <clokep> My point is when reviewing the patch I have NO IDEA why it's set up that way. 17:35:41 <clokep> Saying that...I'd prefer to use the proper normalization... 17:36:06 <aleth> clokep: Well... I'm sorry, I did try to explain it in the comments 17:37:36 <aleth> clokep: I'd prefer to use the proper normalization too, but how do you propose to migrate the existing logs? 17:38:24 <clokep> I'm proposing we don't. :-D 17:42:16 <instantbot> aleth@instantbird.org cancelled review?(florian@instantbird .org) for attachment 3016 on bug 1983. 17:42:17 <instantbot> aleth@instantbird.org requested review from clokep@gmail.com for attachment 3019 on bug 1983. 17:42:18 <instantbot> Bug https://bugzilla.instantbird.org/show_bug.cgi?id=1983 tri, --, ---, aleth, ASSI, Default normalizedName normalization is too aggressive 17:42:26 * ChanServ sets mode +o clokep 17:42:41 <clokep> (I'm sure florian has an opinion btw.) 17:44:50 --> sabret00the has joined #instantbird 17:45:19 <flo-retina> what's the concern about twitter logs? 17:45:43 <flo-retina> (you all remember we don't have private tweets yet, right?) 17:46:54 <clokep> I have no concern about it. :-D 17:47:09 <flo-retina> what's the current folder name? 17:47:11 <aleth> I have no idea if people actually use their twitter logs. 17:47:23 --> Mook_as has joined #instantbird 17:48:20 <aleth> You have the username as the account folder, and then "username timeline" as the conversation folder. 17:48:32 <aleth> With normalization applied of course. 17:48:51 <clokep> The account folder should not change for anyone. 17:48:58 <clokep> And username timeline -> usernametimeline? 17:49:31 <aleth> The username will change for everyone with an underscore. And the space in the conversation name is unfortunate... 17:49:46 <flo-retina> and that "timeline" used to be localized :( 17:50:16 <clokep> aleth: We used to strip underscores? Seriously? :( 17:50:16 <flo-retina> (ie we already broke it once in the past) 17:50:23 <flo-retina> clokep: yes! 17:50:40 <clokep> :'( 17:50:42 <clokep> I hate normalization. 17:50:45 * clokep flips the table. 17:50:53 <flo-retina> clokep: aleth loves it though ;) 17:50:56 * aleth is a bit peeved as he said these things multiple times in the comments :-/ 17:51:22 <aleth> flo-retina: Nah, I just want these bugs gone for good ;) 17:51:31 <flo-retina> aleth: "this things" is your love/hate relationship with normalized bugs, right? 17:51:33 <aleth> possibly wishful thinking :S 17:51:42 <flo-retina> aleth: you say that with each normalized bug ;) 17:52:02 <aleth> flo-retina: No, the twitter normalization examples. But never mind. 17:52:35 <clokep> aleth: Sorry, I haven't closely been following my bugmail and I keep forgetting things. :-/ 17:52:58 <clokep> I found it hard to follow what the desired behavior vs. current behavior was in those discussions though. 17:53:49 <clokep> aleth: So...I think I'd rather just fix it and get it right once & for all. I don't think it'd be /insane/ to write code that transitions the folder names though and owuld probably r+ that if you wanted to do it. :) 17:53:59 <aleth> I don't want to do it ;) 17:55:51 <aleth> Maybe we should, but a followup bug would be better for that. 17:59:51 <clokep> Are we all OK w/ that? 17:59:54 <clokep> flo-retina? 18:05:03 --> dionisos has joined #instantbird 18:07:57 <-- mpmc has quit (Quit: Instantbird 1.5a1pre -- http://www.instantbird.com) 18:07:57 <-- fjaeio has quit (Quit: fjaeio) 18:10:58 <-- skeledrew has quit (Connection reset by peer) 18:11:00 --> skeledrew has joined #instantbird 18:16:37 <flo-retina> clokep: moving around log folders seems like it will trigger a bunch of edge case 18:16:51 <flo-retina> clokep: eg we would likely need to drop the stats service's cache 18:20:22 <flo-retina> btw, for the problem of invite spams 18:20:40 <flo-retina> wouldn't a good solution be to accept automatically be default for a short period of time? 18:20:54 <flo-retina> if someone adds you without ever talking to you maybe that was just spam? 18:21:03 <flo-retina> (or maybe I'm just talking nonsense here :-S) 18:22:25 <-- clokep has quit (Input/output error) 18:29:40 <-- nhnt11 has quit (Ping timeout) 18:33:32 <-- flo-retina has quit (Quit: Instantbird 1.5a1pre -- http://www.instantbird.com) 18:44:13 <-- dionisos has quit (Client exited) 18:44:15 --> dionisos has joined #instantbird 18:45:48 <-- jb has quit (Ping timeout) 18:51:46 --> bgiohiuhu89hh has joined #instantbird 18:52:58 <-- bgiohiuhu89hh has quit (User has been banned from Mozilla (abuse)) 18:57:27 --> flo-retina has joined #instantbird 18:57:27 * ChanServ sets mode +qo flo-retina flo-retina 19:11:48 <flo-retina> after 1.5, how would you all feel about adopting the train-based release model? 19:12:12 <flo-retina> we would do development on comm-central, and release 12 weeks later 19:13:03 <flo-retina> releasing every 6 weeks would force us to keep the automation in working conditions all the time, and to automate more stuff 19:14:48 <Mook_as> hmm. I can see advantages both that way as well as tracking thunderbird's ESR releases... 19:15:27 * Mook_as is assuming C-C would be in release-ready-ish shape every 6 weeks 19:15:43 --> clokep has joined #instantbird 19:15:43 * ChanServ sets mode +o clokep 19:19:12 <clokep> flo-retina: I think that's a good idea. 19:19:24 <flo-retina> clokep: :) 19:19:31 <flo-retina> there would still be some release management work 19:19:50 <flo-retina> like ensuring that all the stuff on comm-beta is either in release-ready shape, or disabled 19:20:35 <flo-retina> we may decide to only release every other cycle, if we think we don't have enough exciting stuff every 6 weeks 19:20:54 <clokep> I think every 1 - 3 cycles is a good idea, yes. 19:20:57 <aleth> How much automation can be inherited? 19:21:01 <flo-retina> I think for the release management work we should say that one of us is responsible for each release 19:21:05 <clokep> We'd also probably want to make beta builds and get some people onto them. 19:21:33 <flo-retina> and responsible would mostly mean ensure it gets the appropriate testing an attention, and ping people to write the patch to disable their unfinished features. 19:21:36 <clokep> flo-retina: (Also your solution for the invite spams thing...might work or might be nonsense, I haven't decided yet. :-D I could see it kind of working...and kind of opening you to more spam.) 19:21:54 * aleth wonders if the localisers should be asked too 19:22:05 <flo-retina> clokep: yes, we would need beta builds. I'm afraid that means we need to double our build infrastructure :-/. 19:22:09 <clokep> flo-retina: So if moving log folders seems bad...are you suggesting we keep aleth's current patch or that we do move them? ;) 19:22:35 <clokep> flo-retina: Can we do beta's once a week like Firefox? 19:22:39 <flo-retina> aleth: having localizers on beta would make sense 19:22:46 <clokep> (And even disable nightlies on those days if we don't want to increase the build load) 19:22:50 <flo-retina> clokep: yeah, we would do betas once a week, or something 19:23:34 <flo-retina> localized beta ;) 19:23:45 <flo-retina> aleth: "How much automation can be inherited?" from Tb? Not much I'm afraid 19:24:09 <flo-retina> except if you mean for the tree merging logic for the trains (I would expect us to get that for free) 19:24:41 <aleth> from Tb, or from Fx... 19:25:10 <aleth> But there's a lot of things on the release process wiki that are not really inheritable 19:25:38 <flo-retina> a lot of it could be automated if the release dates and version numbers were predictable 19:27:12 <clokep> We also need to finish the BIO->BMO stuff and get merged into c-c then. 19:27:35 <flo-retina> clokep: that would be our top priority for after 1.5 if we want to follow this plan 19:28:33 <clokep> OK :) 19:28:54 <flo-retina> and you shouldn't be the only one working on it 19:28:57 <clokep> We should aim for the 21st for 1.5. 19:30:43 <flo-retina> clokep: when would be the string freeze? 19:31:08 <aleth> We should probably be on moz25 before setting a date 19:31:17 <flo-retina> aleth: we will be on 25 soon 19:31:20 <flo-retina> (likely this week) 19:31:52 <aleth> There just seems to be a lot of work left for Even and you... 19:32:34 <clokep> (Btw I said teh 21st because the following week is Thanksgiving in the US and we seem to try to avoid holidays?) 19:34:48 --> skeledrew1 has joined #instantbird 19:34:58 <-- skeledrew has quit (Connection reset by peer) 19:35:32 <instant-buildbot> build #1026 of linux-nightly-default is complete: Success [3build successful] Build details are at http://buildbot.instantbird.org/builders/linux-nightly-default/builds/1026 19:35:39 <flo-retina> oooh :) 19:36:47 <flo-retina> looks like Even won the battle against vmware 19:36:49 <aleth> With colours! :) 19:37:14 <aleth> Thanks for all the work getting things building Even :) 19:37:55 * flo-retina started a moz25 universal build 19:38:11 <flo-retina> it passed configure! 19:38:21 <aleth> Sadly still "no updates available" though :-/ 19:38:24 <clokep> :) 19:38:39 <flo-retina> aleth: I wondered if I could make it work before you check for updates 19:38:45 <flo-retina> aleth: I know what the problem is for that 19:38:58 <aleth> flo-retina: Oh, if you know what the problem is, great :) 19:39:22 <flo-retina> I don't have the fix, but Even suggested one, so I hope it will be fixed tomorrow :) 19:39:30 <flo-retina> for now I'll just make your update work by hand 19:39:55 <flo-retina> aleth: try again 19:40:10 <aleth> it found the update! :) 19:40:17 <flo-retina> I can explain the problem to entertain you if you want 19:40:24 <aleth> However: Update failed (unknown reason) 19:41:36 <flo-retina> ahah, the permissions of the files uploaded by the linux slave :( 19:42:36 <flo-retina> aleth: try again! 19:42:50 <aleth> Actually downloading now :) 19:43:16 <aleth> Alright, looks like that worked :) 19:43:18 <-- aleth has quit (Quit: Ciao) 19:43:27 --> aleth has joined #instantbird 19:43:27 * ChanServ sets mode +h aleth 19:43:35 <flo-retina> :) 19:43:41 <flo-retina> aleth: happy new nightly! 19:43:50 <clokep> :) 19:43:54 <flo-retina> (it's a bit sad that it's something I would almost want to celebrate, but oh well...) 19:43:57 <clokep> Thanks flo-retina and Even! 19:44:12 <aleth> Why not celebrate :) Thanks for all the backend work. 19:46:02 <flo-retina> how would a first nightly with indexed logs look, from a UI perspective? 19:47:33 <aleth> Do you mean indexed, or with stats? 19:47:53 <flo-retina> what's stats? 19:48:02 <flo-retina> (I meant full text index to search in logs) 19:48:19 <aleth> I guess I don't understand the question 19:48:42 <aleth> There's a UI WIP for a notification while log crawling in a 1.5-blocking bug 19:49:03 <flo-retina> what's the minimal piece of UI change required to benefit from being able to search across all logs? 19:49:22 <aleth> Changing the findbar \in the logviewer? 19:49:26 <flo-retina> (I'm looking for what cool stuff I could hack on during this long week-end) 19:49:37 <aleth> That would indeed be a great thing to have. 19:49:54 <flo-retina> I was wondering if it would just be filter the left sidebar of the log viewer 19:50:16 --> skeledrew has joined #instantbird 19:50:24 <aleth> Good idea! 19:50:26 <-- skeledrew1 has quit (Connection reset by peer) 19:50:48 <flo-retina> even that seems non trivial, given the grouping 19:50:57 <aleth> I still suspect you have to modify the findbar 19:51:05 <flo-retina> but I guess I could just filter the whole log list, and then redo the grouping from scratch 19:51:24 <flo-retina> aleth: so that the next match jumps to the next conv? 19:51:43 <aleth> The grouping may not be a problem if it automatically respects hidden=true on entries (I never checked) 19:52:08 <flo-retina> obviously I'm more interested in working on the back-end than on the UI for a first experiment 19:52:10 <aleth> flo-retina: Yes, especially if there are no hits in the first log 19:52:51 <aleth> But I guess if you filter the tree entries that may not be necessary as the first log will have a hit 19:53:24 <flo-retina> if one of the features where I'm not convinced the first implementation will be usable at all ;) 19:53:30 <flo-retina> *it's one 19:57:39 * aleth keeps hovering over nicks to get whois too 19:57:49 <flo-retina> fix it! 19:57:53 <flo-retina> where's your WIP? 19:58:54 <aleth> The simple approach I tried didn't work: you can openPopup a second tooltip when a tooltip is triggered, but you'd then also have to forward all subsequent events 19:59:11 --> EionRobb has joined #instantbird 19:59:12 <aleth> Otherwise it won't close. 19:59:24 --> Mic has joined #instantbird 19:59:24 * ChanServ sets mode +h Mic 19:59:46 <aleth> On top of that, stopping the first tooltip from opening means it doesn't receive the needed further events anyway. 20:00:13 <aleth> So I don't see a good way of doing it without using the same tooltip for both content and buddy tooltips 20:00:30 <aleth> Maybe using a deck due to the differing styling. 20:01:29 <flo-retina> can we find the code causing the tooltip to be shown, and call it again on the second tooltip, instead of a simple openPopup call? 20:02:05 <aleth> hmm... that code being somewhere in gecko? 20:02:42 <aleth> That would be nice if it could be done. 20:02:50 <aleth> I somehow suspect it's in C++ land though. 20:02:51 * instantbot mumbles something about c++ being evil 20:02:55 * clokep wonders if Mic has an idea... ;) 20:03:00 <flo-retina> maybe Mook_ask now? 20:03:07 <flo-retina> err, *Mook_as knows 20:03:27 <aleth> gah, how did it get so late? :( 20:03:28 <aleth> gtg 20:04:00 <-- aleth has quit (Input/output error) 20:06:38 * Mook_as reads scrollback 20:06:40 <Mook_as> err, what tooltip? 20:18:44 <clokep> Mook_as: A tooltip for people's names mentioned in conversations. 20:19:27 <Mook_as> okay, and... what other tooltip? :) (there are two involved, right? for one to be over the other?) 20:19:43 <Mook_as> sorry, this would probably be more useful if you have a bug or irc log you can point me at 20:21:30 <Mic> Bug 1693 20:21:31 <instantbot> Bug https://bugzilla.instantbird.org/show_bug.cgi?id=1693 enh, --, ---, nobody, NEW, Show participant tooltip when hovering nick in conversation 20:21:55 <Mic> clokep: I need to have a close look at bug 1511 20:21:57 <instantbot> Bug https://bugzilla.instantbird.org/show_bug.cgi?id=1511 nor, --, ---, benediktp, ASSI, Possible to add duplicate accounts 20:22:07 * clokep goes back to writing Macros. 20:22:12 <-- dionisos has quit (Quit: Instantbird 1.3 -- http://www.instantbird.com) 20:22:15 <Mic> Thinking about it something with the XMPP code wasn't working properly. 20:22:31 --> dionisos has joined #instantbird 20:22:58 <clokep> My friend was seeing a crazy bug that I assume was because of this. 20:23:06 <clokep> He had made two of the same account. 20:23:10 <clokep> And both were connected. 20:23:15 <clokep> So he was getting som e messages twice. 20:33:59 <flo-retina> clokep: my moz25 build failed with http://pastebin.instantbird.com/425039 20:36:16 <clokep> flo-retina: Was this a clobber? 20:36:24 <flo-retina> yes 20:37:37 <Mook_as> whatever file you used to include probably doesn't include prtime.h anymore 20:42:30 <clokep> Oh, that's in purplexpcom. :) 20:43:57 <clokep> But that would have exploded for me too... 20:44:32 <flo-retina> clokep: that's the part I don't understand 20:44:44 <flo-retina> Mook_as: there's http://lxr.instantbird.org/instantbird/source/purple/purplexpcom/src/purpleConversation.h#40 20:45:13 <flo-retina> is PRTime defined in a different header? 20:45:52 <Mook_as> I would be suspicious of http://mxr.mozilla.org/mozilla-central/source/xpcom/base/nsrootidl.idl#33 20:46:04 <Mook_as> (but I can't remember what that results in) 20:46:34 <flo-retina> large warning from clang: http://pastebin.instantbird.com/425090 20:46:46 --> FireFly_TB has joined #instantbird 20:47:08 <flo-retina> Mook_as: ok, so I guess that explains why PRTime in the header doesn't cause a warning 20:49:37 <flo-retina> Mook_as: is http://pastebin.instantbird.com/425101 something I should care about? 20:50:13 <flo-retina> it seems strange to me that such a generic header would cause warnings :-S 20:51:31 <Mook_as> no, that's safe 20:52:01 <Mook_as> it's telling you that it's silly to put const there (it's an rvalue, you can't modify it) 20:52:21 <Mook_as> I'm not quite sure wtf a const void is, of course... 20:53:33 <flo-retina> Mook_as: yeah, the warning itself isn't scary. It's the fact that such a warning comes from that deep in the platform that surprises me / makes me wonder if we have a broken build configuration somewhere 20:53:53 <Mook_as> no, it just means nobody ever reads warnings :p 20:54:12 <flo-retina> that's sad 20:55:19 <flo-retina> still here: http://mxr.mozilla.org/mozilla-central/source/mfbt/Scoped.h#263 20:55:38 <flo-retina> maybe the const was expected to be at the end of the line? 20:57:03 <Mook_as> maybe? 21:19:02 --> nhnt11 has joined #instantbird 21:19:05 <-- nhnt11 has quit (Input/output error) 21:19:15 --> nhnt11 has joined #instantbird 21:28:24 <-- wnayes has quit (Ping timeout) 21:31:27 --> wnayes has joined #instantbird 21:34:30 <clokep> flo-retina: No, gavin is wrong. We don't do a periodic query. 21:34:38 <clokep> We do it once when you open a conversation w/ someone, I believe. 21:34:53 <clokep> IMO his client is broken for showing him that. 21:35:00 <flo-retina> clokep: I think we do it whenever we show the tooltip 21:35:20 <flo-retina> and I did look at the tooltip several times 21:35:29 <clokep> It's like clients that tell you when you receive a CTCP ping. 21:35:35 <clokep> Yes, we do. 21:35:37 <clokep> We dont' cache it. 21:40:48 <clokep> flo-retina: Were you think we need to change something or just curious. :) 21:42:47 <flo-retina> clokep: it's just that I dislike the fact that someone knows that I'm looking at his status 21:43:12 <flo-retina> and I was wondering if we shouldn't block whois requests from tooltips (especially if you display the tooltip of the same person more than once within 5 minutes) 21:44:57 <clokep> I see. :-/ 21:50:40 <Mic> How many IRCops are there? 21:52:03 <Mic> Is it really a common problem with privacy or just an edge case. 21:52:07 <Mic> "Ã" 21:52:09 <flo-retina> I would randomly guess "half a dozen" 21:52:11 <Mic> d'oh. 21:53:04 <Mic> "Ã" was meant to be a "?" as the line before was intended to be a question. 22:02:35 --> florian has joined #instantbird 22:02:55 <florian> hello from moz25 :) 22:02:56 * florian is now known as IRCMonkey56444 22:03:08 <clokep> IRCMonkey56444: Yay! 22:03:19 <IRCMonkey56444> ah, so that nickserv trick actually works :) 22:03:47 <IRCMonkey56444> maybe I should configure the access list to not be kicked when connecting with identifying from my home IP :-D 22:04:14 <-- skeledrew has quit (Ping timeout) 22:04:47 --> skeledrew has joined #instantbird 22:05:01 <flo-retina> clokep: so http://pastebin.instantbird.com/425172 is the only change I made. 22:05:22 <clokep> :) 22:05:27 <clokep> I never trust that.. 22:05:31 <flo-retina> I assume r=you for that ;) 22:05:37 <flo-retina> that? 22:05:39 <clokep> flo-retina: Yes. 22:08:48 <instantbot> florian@instantbird.org granted review for attachment 2989 on bug 2034. 22:08:49 <instantbot> Bug https://bugzilla.instantbird.org/show_bug.cgi?id=2034 nor, --, ---, clokep, ASSI, Update to Mozilla 25 22:10:39 <clokep> :) 22:12:04 <clokep> You pushing it too? 22:12:05 <-- dionisos has quit (Ping timeout) 22:13:22 <clokep> Oh wait, I pushed stuff already... 22:14:28 <instantbot> Check-in: http://hg.instantbird.org/instantbird/rev/b6c0afff035a - Florian Quèze - Bug 2034 - Fix include for PR_Now in purpleConversation.cpp, r=clokep. 22:14:30 <instantbot> Check-in: http://hg.instantbird.org/instantbird/rev/fb0bd0b5f73c - Patrick Cloke - Bug 2034 - Update to Mozilla 25, r=fqueze. 22:14:31 <instantbot> Check-in: http://hg.instantbird.org/instantbird/rev/612acfea734a - Patrick Cloke - Bug 2034 - Port |Bug 884061 - Use mozilla/Atomic instead of NS_AtomicRefcnt* for threadsafe refcounts|, r=fqueze. 22:14:32 <instantbot> Check-in: http://hg.instantbird.org/instantbird/rev/7c39217af965 - Patrick Cloke - Bug 2034 - Port |Bug 891474 - Establish unified directory for Python build actions|, r=fqueze. 22:14:43 <instantbot> clokep@gmail.com granted review for attachment 3020 on bug 2034. 22:14:44 <instantbot> Bug https://bugzilla.instantbird.org/show_bug.cgi?id=2034 nor, --, ---, clokep, ASSI, Update to Mozilla 25 22:19:10 <-- FireFly_TB has quit (Ping timeout) 22:20:08 <instantbot> clokep@gmail.com set the Resolution field on bug 2034 to FIXED. 22:20:09 <instantbot> Bug https://bugzilla.instantbird.org/show_bug.cgi?id=2034 nor, --, 1.5, clokep, RESO FIXED, Update to Mozilla 25 22:22:47 <flo-retina> clokep: you sure you pushed stuff? :-S 22:24:09 <clokep> flo-retina: What? 22:24:15 <clokep> I did earlier, I pushed those four bugs, remember? 22:24:30 <flo-retina> ah 22:24:44 <flo-retina> do you mean you didn't want me to push it because we didn't have a nightly with your previous stuff? 22:25:09 <flo-retina> (we actually got one on Linux, and likely on Windows if it doesn't fail) 22:25:38 <clokep> That's what I was wondering. :) 22:26:13 <flo-retina> It'll be fine, let's feel lucky ;) 22:26:32 <clokep> /roll 6 2 22:26:44 <clokep> (AIM chatrooms had a roll command, if you didn't know that.) 22:27:22 <Mic> clokep: 4 (guaranteed to be chosen by a fair dice roll) 22:27:34 <Mook_as> chatzilla had a plugin to give you that, I think. (also, I think there was a mIRC script too) 22:31:43 * EionRobb rolls 6 2-sided dice: 2 1 1 2 2 1 22:32:09 <EionRobb> oops, didn't mean to actually send the command :) 22:33:41 <flo-retina> instantbot: !8ball will we be lucky? 22:33:44 <instantbot> flo-retina: Sorry, I've no idea what '8ball will we be lucky' might be. 22:33:51 <flo-retina> !8ball will we be lucky? 22:33:52 <instantbot> flo-retina: Yes! 22:34:04 * flo-retina thinks instantbot is an idiot. 22:34:32 <flo-retina> what's this idea of replying only when I'm not talking to him? 22:44:35 <-- nhnt11 has quit (Ping timeout) 22:45:22 --> nhnt11 has joined #instantbird 22:56:17 <-- nhnt11 has quit (Quit: Instantbird 1.5a1pre -- http://www.instantbird.com) 22:56:22 --> nhnt11 has joined #instantbird 23:06:10 <clokep> flo-retina: You can specify either in the commands. 23:06:23 <clokep> I still think we should remake instantbot using Instantbirds' IRC engine. :) 23:09:30 <instant-buildbot> build #1150 of win32-nightly-default is complete: Success [3build successful] Build details are at http://buildbot.instantbird.org/builders/win32-nightly-default/builds/1150 23:11:36 <-- gerard-majax__ has quit (Ping timeout) 23:13:24 --> gerard-majax__ has joined #instantbird 23:16:59 <flo-retina> clokep: it's tempting, but doesn't seem a great use of our time 23:19:13 <clokep> I messed with a bunch of that a LONG LONG time ago. 23:19:17 <clokep> (In a galaxy far away...) 23:19:20 <clokep> But never finished... 23:19:47 <clokep> Well really I messed with making it multi-protocol using the IB APIs. :) 23:20:28 * flo-retina isn't sure what the point of making instantbot multi protocol would be 23:20:50 <flo-retina> hmm, except if you wanted to periodically switch this room to an XMPP MUC or a Yahoo conference for dogfooding purposes :-D 23:21:36 <clokep> :P 23:21:47 <clokep> I didn't say it was useful. 23:22:00 --> jb has joined #instantbird 23:22:30 <Mook_as> cross-protocol gateway bot? (not that I've ever found the bots that repeat things from a corresponding channel on a different IRC network useful...) 23:22:48 <-- qlum has quit (Quit: Getting the <censored> out.) 23:23:09 <clokep> Mook_as: Gross. :( I was thinking more of a single state, but multiple ways to access it. 23:23:17 <clokep> I.e. I could ask it a bug # on AIM. 23:25:28 <flo-retina> I could see the use for bug numbers on an XMPP MUC 23:29:01 * clokep shrugs. 23:29:05 <clokep> Let's not split our MUC please. 23:35:51 <flo-retina> it's more #chatdev that I was thinking about moving around 23:36:02 <flo-retina> clokep: btw, a possible benefit could be to write JSON logs 23:38:00 <-- Mic has quit (Quit: Instantbird -- http://www.instantbird.com) 23:39:20 <-- nhnt11 has quit (Ping timeout) 23:47:47 --> FireFly_TB has joined #instantbird 23:49:43 <-- FireFly_TB has quit (Ping timeout) 23:55:20 <-- jb has quit (Ping timeout) 23:57:03 --> mpmc has joined #instantbird