#instantbird log on 10 23 2013

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00:04:51 <flo-retina> clokep: that seems painful :(
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00:22:39 <clokep> flo-retina: I agree. :(
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01:16:37 <EionRobb> ln -s /usr/lib64 /usr/lib :P
02:25:42 <clokep> instantbot: uuid
02:25:44 <instantbot> f2373b31-f7be-4557-8a1c-7a648f6bda59 (/msg instantbot cid for CID form)
03:04:10 <instant-buildbot> build #1010 of linux-nightly-default is complete: Success [build successful]  Build details are at http://buildbot.instantbird.org/builders/linux-nightly-default/builds/1010
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10:25:30 <flo-retina> nhnt11: do you have any idea of whether opening a new channel on hold if it has been joined in the past and was on hold at shutdown is an awesomebug or a bug somewhere else? :)
10:26:11 <nhnt11> flo-retina: Wait what? I haven't really been keeping up with this bug, what exactly happens?
10:26:19 <nhnt11> A conversation is put on hold immediately after opening?
10:26:23 <flo-retina> nhnt11: yeah
10:26:35 <nhnt11> That's almost certainly not an awesomebug
10:27:04 <flo-retina> nhnt11: 1. Join a channel. 2. Put it on hold. 3. Restart Ib. 4. Join the same channel from the awesometab. 4. Wonder why the channel doesn't appear and finally notice it was joined but 'on hold'.
10:27:19 <flo-retina> I hit that frequently these days :-/
10:27:22 <nhnt11> This doesn't happen with the join chat dialog?
10:27:39 * flo-retina opening the join chat dialog doesn't happen ;).
10:27:53 <flo-retina> (well, except for that silly auto-join check box...)
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10:28:42 <nhnt11> Hmm
10:28:47 <nhnt11> That /is/ annoying
10:28:52 * nhnt11 invetigates
10:28:54 <flo-retina> clokep and others: how would you all feel about adding a /logs <nick> command (seems IRC specific, but I guess it would need to live in instantbird/) to open the log viewer for a specific nick?
10:28:56 <nhnt11> investigates*
10:29:13 <flo-retina> right now I have to /msg <nick> and then Command+shift+H; that's suboptimal and leaves me with a pointless empty tab :)
10:29:28 <clokep> flo-retina: Seems reasonable, could we make it prpl agnostic?
10:29:34 <nhnt11> flo-retina: Wouldn't that likely go away if we automatically fill in context? :P
10:29:46 <flo-retina> nhnt11: it would. But I don't see that happening for 1.5
10:29:50 <nhnt11> Fair enough
10:30:19 <flo-retina> I'm currently trying to get rid of the stuff that gets in the way of me working; not to make the world perfect :)
10:30:24 <clokep> If it was unclear, by the way, I now officially hate OAuth. ;)
10:30:37 <flo-retina> clokep: why are you touching that?
10:30:49 <flo-retina> clokep: we've now got a oauth hater on the Talkilla team too :)
10:31:19 * clokep guesses you didn't look at bug 2148 yet. ;)
10:31:23 <instantbot> Bug https://bugzilla.instantbird.org/show_bug.cgi?id=2148 nor, --, ---, clokep, ASSI, Remove VKontakte protocol
10:31:58 <clokep> These are the results of the Ubuntu 13.10 stuff: http://pastebin.instantbird.com/401727
10:33:05 <nhnt11> Wait, when you put a conversation on hold and restart Ib, shouldn't it automatically open and put itself on hold? Wasn't there a bug/patch for this a while ago? (@flo-retina)
10:33:11 <nhnt11> Or was that only for auto-joined channels?
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10:33:27 <clokep> nhnt11: Only for auto-joined channels.
10:33:27 <flo-retina> nhnt11: only auto-joined channels
10:33:42 <flo-retina> nhnt11: re-opening automatically is the next step (ie. 'kill the auto-join feature')
10:34:48 <flo-retina> clokep: who's the author of that pastebin?
10:34:56 <nhnt11> But are we saving non-auto-joined channels as well?
10:35:03 <nhnt11> That would explain them going on hold automatically
10:35:05 <clokep> flo-retina: My friend.
10:35:12 <flo-retina> ok
10:35:21 <clokep> He's somewhat computer literate.
10:35:30 <flo-retina> clokep: so I guess your proposal is that we setup a linux64 set of builds/nightlies?
10:36:01 <clokep> flo-retina: That  would seem to solve the problem. :(
10:37:46 <flo-retina> the mere idea of releasing seems painful at this point, given the amount of build system-y, server side-y stuff that's in progress/needed/highly wanted :(
10:37:56 <flo-retina> what are our plans there?
10:38:46 <flo-retina> I guess Linux64 isn't too much of a problem... if we had plenty of free disk space on the server; which we don't (we had failing nightlies last week because the disk was full. I managed to free up one GB, but that won't save us for long...)
10:39:01 <flo-retina> so really it seems like we have to migrate to newer servers
10:39:08 <instantbot> clokep@gmail.com set the Resolution field on bug 2099 to FIXED.
10:39:11 <instantbot> Bug https://bugzilla.instantbird.org/show_bug.cgi?id=2099 min, --, 1.5, clokep, RESO FIXED, Ensure that commands that only work in channels use CONTEXT_CHAT
10:39:15 <clokep> I thought we were going to start putting builds onto a Mozilla server?
10:39:23 <flo-retina> which sounds like a week of work for Even and me :(
10:39:33 <clokep> Wasn't there talk of that at some point?
10:39:41 <flo-retina> clokep: that would be cool. Do you know of any discussion in progress for that?
10:39:49 <flo-retina> My idea was to push for that once we would be in comm-central
10:40:51 <clokep> flo-retina: No, but I vaguely recall someone saying we could do it. :( (I thought you said you talked to someone about it...)
10:41:07 <clokep> Maybe we should finish all that crap then? :(
10:41:27 <flo-retina> someone=Standard8 in that sentence
10:41:39 <flo-retina> he didn't say we could do it; he said it wouldn't be terribly difficult
10:41:51 <flo-retina> clokep: yeah, we should finish all that crap.
10:41:54 <flo-retina> But BIO->BMO is first
10:42:01 <flo-retina> and cleaning up the build system is before
10:42:20 <flo-retina> and with all of that, we are talking several months of effort :(
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10:43:26 <flo-retina> wow, you've started a vkontakte prpl? O_o
10:45:20 <instantbot> Check-in: http://hg.instantbird.org/instantbird/rev/ee8ee4db6211 - Patrick Cloke - Bug 2099 - Ensure that commands that only work in channels use CONTEXT_CHAT, r=aleth.
10:46:31 <clokep> Right. :-/ Maybe we should brainstorm the BIO->BMO stuff at some point.
10:46:38 <clokep> See where my script is and what needs to be done.
10:46:44 <clokep> flo-retina: Yes, I like our users too much. ;)
10:47:01 <clokep> I plan it to be extremely minimal.
10:47:03 <flo-retina> clokep: we already did. We need an easy way to test it.
10:47:16 <clokep> OK. :(
10:47:46 <flo-retina> I'm open to talking more about it (not now though; I've got plenty of SocialAPI work to get done before the end of the week)
10:49:36 <flo-retina> do we want to start pushing on that before we are done messing with the build system?
10:50:40 <clokep> The BIO->BMO merge? I think it would have immediate benefits. And not feel like it's blocking us merging into c-c even if we finish the build system stuff.
10:51:03 <flo-retina> that's assuming we can work on it in parallel
10:51:16 <flo-retina> I was assuming we wanted to finish the build system stuff before releasing 1.5
10:51:26 <flo-retina> and that the BIO->BMO merge would likely happen after 1.5
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10:52:56 <flo-retina> is updating the linux 32 build slave blocking 1.5? :(
10:53:02 <flo-retina> (bug 1877)
10:53:05 <instantbot> Bug https://bugzilla.instantbird.org/show_bug.cgi?id=1877 nor, --, ---, nobody, NEW, Enable gio after Linux buildslave distro is updated
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10:57:23 <clokep> Ah, that would work too, yes.
10:57:41 <clokep> Which makes more sense if we want to release 1.5 soon.
10:59:03 <flo-retina> "that would work too" that = ?
11:00:08 <clokep> BIO->BMO after 1.5.
11:00:29 <flo-retina> I really hope we can do all that stuff done before c-c->m-c happens
11:00:51 <flo-retina> jcranmer seems to have really started getting stuff moving.
11:02:36 <clokep> :-\
11:07:13 <clokep> I guess I'll try to refocus on that script.
11:07:16 <clokep> It just isn't fun...
11:07:33 <flo-retina> it isn't fun because you can't see results
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11:52:48 <clokep_work> flo-retina: That's part of it. :)
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11:54:13 * clokep_work finds https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=924377 really weird. :(
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14:24:05 <flo-retina> https://github.com/ESTOS/strophe.jingle (especially https://github.com/ESTOS/strophe.jingle/blob/master/strophe.jingle.sdp.js) seems interesting if we want to move forward with WebRTC over XMPP
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15:05:32 <aleth> flo-retina: nhnt11 is right and restoring the "on hold" state of channels is indeed a feature you added recently ;)
15:06:31 <aleth> re 1.5-blockers, wasn't there also a problem with l10n infrastructure? Not sure how tedious/complicated that was
15:07:10 <flo-retina> aleth: someone just needs to fix it
15:07:34 <flo-retina> aleth: but the fix would be in the current configure script; which we have a patch to remove
15:07:39 <flo-retina> aleth: so possibly not worth doing
15:08:15 <flo-retina> aleth: another solution would also be to just wontfix it; and install more packages on the linux slave; or add a few more --disable to the mozconfigs of the l10n box
15:10:22 <aleth> clokep_work: Do you have an etherpad somewhere with a checklist of the missing features in your bio merge script?
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15:14:20 <aleth> flo-retina: Sounds like there will be a lot of work for Even and you irrespective of how things are sequenced :-/
15:14:50 <flo-retina> and I don't think any of us has much spare time these days :-/
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15:44:18 <flo-retina> clokep_work: btw, I think I would want us to release a retina-friendly version before pushing to have Ib pre-installed on new employee macbooks.
15:44:29 <flo-retina> clokep_work: 1.4 looks really poor on retina screens
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16:30:30 <instant-buildbot> build #498 of macosx-onCommit is complete: Success [build successful]  Build details are at http://buildbot.instantbird.org/builders/macosx-onCommit/builds/498
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16:52:58 <clokep_work> aleth: They're in the comments in the code IIRC.
16:53:18 <clokep_work> flo-retina: That sounds like a good idea, yes. :)
16:53:26 <clokep_work> And I'd really like WebRTC + XMPP, was a spec ever released for that?
16:54:16 <aleth> clokep_work: iirc we just have to go ahead and do it ;)
16:55:33 <flo-retina> clokep_work: looks like people have code to convert the SDP to 'standard' jingle XML
16:57:22 <clokep_work> :) OK.
16:57:29 <clokep_work> So someone needs to just make the UI to emed a video window?
16:57:36 <clokep_work> And then I can add support to WebRTC over IRC. ;)
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16:58:05 <flo-retina> clokep_work: we still need to handle discovery of the peer's capabilities
16:58:16 <clokep_work> Oh. :(
16:58:20 <clokep_work> There's always a wrinkle.
16:58:23 <clokep_work> We have too many things to do.
16:58:27 <clokep_work> Can we hire an intern? (Seriously.)
16:58:27 <flo-retina> but yeah, I would really enjoy WebRTC over IRC
16:58:38 <flo-retina> would be fun to see how people react to that :)
16:58:55 <flo-retina> clokep_work: can we hire an intern to hire an intern? :)
16:59:16 <clokep_work> flo-retina: It wouldn't be hard...we'd just need to do SDP -> IRC, right?
16:59:25 <flo-retina> clokep_work: I guess the problem is: how do we find an intern that's good enough to actually save us time, rather than take some of our time
16:59:25 <clokep_work> So I'd have to understand the encoded information.
16:59:33 <flo-retina> clokep_work: yeah
16:59:38 <clokep_work> Hire one of our GSoC students part time? ;)
16:59:42 <flo-retina> just send the SDP over a CTCP message
17:00:02 * flo-retina has no idea of how that would work.
17:00:02 <clokep_work> Ah, that would work.
17:00:08 <clokep_work> Well maybe.
17:00:09 <flo-retina> (hiring a gsoc student)
17:00:14 <flo-retina> (I mean, on the legal side of things)
17:00:19 <clokep_work> Oh, yeah. I have no idea.
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17:00:22 <aleth> Maybe our GSoC students then need to hire interns to go to lectures for them ;)
17:00:44 <flo-retina> random people with no legal connection to each other sending money to other people they've never met who live on other continents...
17:01:36 <clokep_work> Use one of those bounty sites for bug fixes and do it that way?
17:01:48 <flo-retina> clokep_work: I think we are paying now that during the summer we have been mostly focused on our students' work, and dropped almost everything else on the floor
17:03:46 <clokep_work> Yes, I think so too. :(
17:04:44 <flo-retina> clokep_work: I think I would like some way for people to easily show me if they are blocked by me for some stuff they care about now
17:05:03 * clokep_work has to run back to class
17:05:08 <flo-retina> the request queue isn't really that (as there's in the queue some stuff that we should go look at 'some day')
17:05:19 * flo-retina wonders which classes clokep is taking
17:08:42 <instantbot> aleth@instantbird.org cancelled review?(florian@instantbird.org) for attachment 2975 on bug 2228.
17:08:44 <instantbot> aleth@instantbird.org requested review from clokep@gmail.com for attachment 2977 on bug 2228.
17:08:45 <instantbot> Bug https://bugzilla.instantbird.org/show_bug.cgi?id=2228 enh, --, ---, aleth, ASSI, Don't handle incoming data synchronously
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17:16:53 <aleth> Can anyone confirm that the search engines from the context menu don't work anymore? (You just go to the homepage of the engine)
17:18:11 * aleth suspects bug 1990
17:18:15 <instantbot> Bug https://bugzilla.instantbird.org/show_bug.cgi?id=1990 nor, --, ---, nobody, NEW, Improve search service initialization to get rid of depreciation warning
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17:19:09 <nhnt12> aleth: Working here
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17:29:06 * nhnt11 is trying a tier_app build as a first step
17:29:36 <nhnt11> Aaand it works :)
17:29:45 <nhnt11> Hmm, the fonts are all messed up
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17:31:00 <nhnt11-testing> It's definitely a slightly different font, and the spacing is different (and wrong) as well
17:33:31 <nhnt11> Here's a comparison (first is a nightly , second is the local build): http://puu.sh/4Xv80.png http://puu.sh/4Xv8N.png
17:34:24 <nhnt11> I wonder if a full build will fix it (if a full build works)
17:34:26 <nhnt11> let me start one
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17:50:42 <myb> Hey guys. I'm trying to connect to HipChat using Thunderbird guided by http://help.hipchat.com/knowledgebase/articles/64377-xmpp-jabber-support-details. I can see people online, but I can't connect to any room. In the errors log there is "Failed to join MUC". Works out for me in Pidgin, but I'd really like it to work in Thunderbird. Any suggestions?
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18:00:35 <nhnt11> yay, errors
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18:02:33 <nhnt11> hmm, they're all in QuartzSupport.mm - no member named 'glDeleteTextures' in the global namespace
18:04:02 <aleth> myb: I think there are known bugs regarding XMPP MUCs on HipChat. You could file a bug on our bugtracker just in case?
18:04:44 <aleth> Btw it should work if you try in Instantbird, if that is any help.
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18:14:10 * nhnt11 will try to look at these build errors tomorrow
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18:21:03 <Usul> I crash on maverick when trying to connect to jabber with latest release -version of ib. 
18:21:39 <aleth> ^^nhnt11
18:21:40 <Usul> forget that was a one off
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18:24:08 <flo-retina> nhnt11: https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=894090
18:24:32 <flo-retina> and more specifically https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=884014
18:25:50 <nhnt11> flo-retina: Thanks!
18:26:17 <instantbot> aleth@instantbird.org cancelled review?(clokep@gmail.com) for attachment 2977 on bug 2228.
18:26:18 <instantbot> aleth@instantbird.org requested review from clokep@gmail.com for attachment 2978 on bug 2228.
18:26:20 <instantbot> Bug https://bugzilla.instantbird.org/show_bug.cgi?id=2228 enh, --, ---, aleth, ASSI, Don't handle incoming data synchronously
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18:28:37 <nhnt11> I don't think there's much use trying to fix build without getting Xcode 5 first
18:28:39 <nhnt11> :/
18:28:48 <nhnt11> That's another 2GB download... :(
18:29:18 <aleth> You can always fix some bugs while you wait for the download ;)
18:29:50 <flo-retina> nhnt11: do you pay for the bandwidth?
18:30:03 <nhnt11> flo-retina: No. I don't /have/ the bandwidth
18:30:11 <nhnt11> Students can download a maximum of 500MB per day
18:30:44 <flo-retina> ouch :(
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18:40:53 <Mook_as> check if the IT department or whatever has a local copy?
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19:23:42 <nhnt11> Mook_as: I got the IT department to download the OS X update for me today. I'm worried asking for another 2GB file might be pushing it
19:24:19 <Mook_as> ah. look for a scrapegoat^Wfriend?
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19:37:16 <nhnt11> I'm going home in a week, so I'll probably just wait till then ;)
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19:50:11 <Mic> http://lxr.instantbird.org/instantbird/source/chat/components/public/prplIRequest.idl#30 :(
19:50:25 <Mic> That's all the information we've got?
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20:08:36 <flo-retina> Mic: what additional info did you expect?
20:08:41 <flo-retina> is pidgin showing more?
20:09:56 <Mic> Displayname/alias, user icon maybe...
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20:20:22 <flo-retina> clokep_work: I tried the moz.build stuff on Windows. Same error as what you've got :(
20:20:41 * flo-retina still had some home that clokep_work's tree could have been in a weird state :-S
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21:04:29 <clokep_work> flo-retina: I had that hope too. :(
21:04:32 <clokep_work> Path issues?
21:04:47 <flo-retina> possibly
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21:31:10 <flo-retina> do we have this http://mxr.mozilla.org/comm-central/source/configure.in#260 --external-source-dir stuff set correctly?
21:32:54 <flo-retina> clokep_work: what's the change at line 56 http://pastebin.instantbird.com/402472 ?
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21:33:51 <clokep_work> flo-retina: That looks quite likely.
21:34:11 <flo-retina> comm-central has $external_topsrcdir there
21:34:30 <flo-retina> so does comm-release
21:36:06 <flo-retina> clokep_work: any idea of where the change on that line in your patch comes from?
21:37:37 <flo-retina> I assume the word "external" just disappeared by accident, but if there's another reason it would be nice to know before I revert it ;)
21:37:59 <clokep_work> flo-retina: No idea. :(
21:38:07 <clokep_work> Probably from some manual syncing I screwewd up.
21:38:50 <flo-retina> configure is so slow on Windows :(
21:38:59 <flo-retina> I guess that configure.in rework will be very welcome there :)
21:39:21 <flo-retina> clokep_work: configure passed on the windows machine after reverting that change! \o/
21:39:32 <flo-retina> so now I wonder why it worked on Mac/Linux with that change :-S
21:40:19 <clokep_work> Because Mac/Linux don't suck? :-D
21:40:49 <Mook_as> because they don't need to spawn a posix emulation layer? :p
21:41:24 <clokep_work> flo-retina: My guess? I was porting changesets and didn't port enough of them.
21:41:31 <clokep_work> Or messed up when merging my trees or something.
21:41:37 <clokep_work> I at one point merged my mq...and it was messy.
21:41:59 <flo-retina> Mook_as: well, I don't see how that's related to windows paths
21:42:19 <flo-retina> Mook_as: that stuff barks because instantbird/app.mozbuild is outside of the mozilla/ folder. That's true on all platforms...
21:42:26 <Mook_as> oh, I read the wrong question :( (that was about configure being slow)
21:47:25 <clokep_work> If you put up an interdiff I'll try it when I get home. :)
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22:11:19 <flo-retina> I think I know why make package is broken :)
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22:18:19 <flo-retina> Looks like moz.build may be ready to land soon :)
22:19:27 <flo-retina> If we are lucky we will have the moz.build and configure.in changes landed just in time to start working on the moz25 update (released next Tuesday...) :-S
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22:37:44 <Huvik> hey is there some C guru? :D
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23:34:31 <instant-buildbot> build #483 of win32-onCommit is complete: Failure [failed compile]  Build details are at http://buildbot.instantbird.org/builders/win32-onCommit/builds/483  blamelist: Patrick Cloke <clokep@gmail.com>
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23:56:12 <instant-buildbot> build #492 of linux-onCommit is complete: Success [build successful]  Build details are at http://buildbot.instantbird.org/builders/linux-onCommit/builds/492