#instantbird log on 10 01 2013

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00:10:26 <instantbot> clokep@gmail.com requested review from florian@instantbird .org for attachment 2916 on bug 2007.
00:10:29 <instantbot> Bug https://bugzilla.instantbird.org/show_bug.cgi?id=2007 min, --, ---, clokep, ASSI, Remove last vestiges of WINCE support
00:11:12 <clokep_work> A stupid bug that's assigned to me...
00:12:48 <instantbot> clokep@gmail.com requested review from florian@instantbird .org for attachment 2866 on bug 2165.
00:12:51 <instantbot> Bug https://bugzilla.instantbird.org/show_bug.cgi?id=2165 nor, --, ---, clokep, ASSI, IRC ping does not properly send a timestamp
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01:53:55 <lewellyn> long time no visit from me. :)
01:54:12 <lewellyn> is it known that irc passwords don't work? :P
01:54:42 <lewellyn> if you enter a password, it sends CAP, NICK, USER. i'd expect to see PASS between NICK and USER
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02:01:42 <nhnt11> flo-retina: Sorry about those msgCount remnants :(
02:09:02 <lewellyn> looking at the code, it seems it should be sent between CAP and NICK. but it's not :P
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02:17:13 <lewellyn> hm. where is the ui for adding accounts located again? :P
02:18:13 <lewellyn> oh. irc is using purple, not irc.js?
02:19:02 <lewellyn> or is prpl-irc legacy?
02:19:46 <lewellyn> if it's irc.js, perhaps it needs to be using password rather than serverPassword as the latter never seems to be set anywhere.
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03:16:26 <clokep_wp8> You set it in about:config.
03:16:42 <clokep_wp8> Most servers don't require passwords.
03:16:51 <clokep_wp8> So it isn't exposed in the ui.
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04:08:21 <instant-buildbot> build #1011 of macosx-nightly-default is complete: Success [build successful]  Build details are at http://buildbot.instantbird.org/builders/macosx-nightly-default/builds/1011
04:20:08 <clokep_work> lewellyn: And "prpl-irc" is just an ID it has nothing to do with libpurple vs JS-IRC.
04:20:16 <clokep_work> We no longer include the libpurple IRC code, we use JS-IRC.
04:22:04 <lewellyn> clokep_work: the wizard exposes a password field. it appears to not work.
04:22:33 <lewellyn> freenode uses server passwords, as do many bouncers, though.
04:22:41 <lewellyn> it's not quite rare.
04:22:52 <clokep_work> Yes it is, usually you want to sign into a nick not the server.
04:23:04 <clokep_work> Which we use SASL or send it to NickServ.
04:23:14 <clokep_work> This should work fine on Freenode, it has for a long time.
04:24:35 <clokep_work> If this is causing an issue then there's a bug about "not sending PASS" doesn't mean there's a bug.
04:26:01 <lewellyn> the ui should probably be clarified that it's not the server password, if it's not supposed to be the server password.
04:26:12 <lewellyn> perhaps "NickServ password" would be a better label?
04:26:35 <clokep_work> I disagree.
04:26:36 <lewellyn> (ironically, adium has a bug for the opposite: people think the server password field is for their nickserv password)
04:26:42 <clokep_work> Most users really would just care about signing into their nick.
04:26:51 <clokep_work> lewellyn: Check out https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=919180
04:26:54 <lewellyn> as opposed to not being disconnected by the server immediately :)
04:27:32 <clokep_work> What server are you trying to connect to that is giving you issues? I'd prefer to talk in less vagueness.
04:29:10 <lewellyn> irssi-proxy in this case.
04:29:22 <lewellyn> i ended up wiresharking to figure out wtf was going on.
04:30:02 <lewellyn> adium worked, "real" irc clients worked, authenticating by a raw conversation over telnet worked. it was just instantbird.
04:30:56 <clokep_work> OK.
04:30:58 <lewellyn> and since this is going to be an ssl connection again, i really dislike the idea of passwords stored in plaintext in about:config :P
04:31:17 <clokep_work> I really dislike the idea of a password being sent in plaintext, even over SSL. :P
04:31:23 <clokep_work> Hence why we prefer to use SASL.
04:32:04 <lewellyn> yes. i'm not patching sasl support into irssi-proxy right now, though. i have far more utilitarian complaints to deal with first with it. like my years-old complaint that it doesn't honor your ignore list over the proxy :P
04:32:13 <clokep_work> Did you read that bug? I talk about the proper way that this should be fixed in it.
04:32:30 <lewellyn> and server password over ssl > privmsg nickserv in plaintext
04:33:00 <clokep_work> We don't send it in a privmsg.
04:33:11 <lewellyn> yes. i read it. i respectfully disagree with the thought that there's no need for a server password ever to be exposed.
04:33:14 <clokep_work> Also I'm not sure how that's true at all, they're both in plaintext.
04:33:22 <clokep_work> You didn't read the full bug then.
04:33:23 <lewellyn> i'd be quite ok if it were hidden as an "advanced" preference.
04:33:38 <lewellyn> "I don't think it needs to be clarified, most users just want to log into the server...to them that means connect and identify their nick."
04:33:46 <clokep_work> I said it could be exposed if we added support for the password-type thing in the preferences dialog.
04:33:51 <lewellyn> i maintain it needs clarification ;)
04:33:53 <clokep_work> (I forget what it's called, exactly.)
04:34:01 <clokep_work> I disagree.
04:34:10 <lewellyn> i couldn't even figure out how the wizard works to add support for it.
04:34:14 <clokep_work> Considering we've had...two questions ever about this...
04:34:23 <clokep_work> I'm not sure what you're saying.
04:36:11 <lewellyn> i'm saying that i'm ok for now with it being in the "IRC Options" in the account wizard. i don't know how that's all populated though.
04:36:12 <clokep_work> I don't know what "it" is in that sentence.
04:36:25 <clokep_work> It's populated dynamically from a list of options.
04:36:36 <lewellyn> it being "the text sent with PASS"
04:36:44 <lewellyn> yes. i couldn't find the list when i was looking.
04:36:50 <clokep_work> And I've already said it could be there...if we supported the type of field that supports the characters being hidden.
04:36:53 <clokep_work> But we don't currently.
04:37:00 <clokep_work> And if we did, it should be saved in the password manager, yes.
04:37:06 <clokep_work> "find the list"? What?
04:37:12 <clokep_work> Do you mean...in the code or in the UI?
04:37:14 <lewellyn> hm. there's no way to see that dialog ever again, though, right?
04:37:15 <lewellyn> in the code.
04:37:43 <clokep_work> Make a new account? :)
04:37:51 <clokep_work> But the options dialog is easily reachable
04:38:00 <clokep_work> lewellyn: http://lxr.instantbird.org/instantbird/source/chat/protocols/irc/irc.js#1631
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04:42:02 <lewellyn> that's the js file which told me that it was using serverPassword
04:43:00 <lewellyn> oh. i see. all you can't changeis the server name in the gui as it stands. the password would be plaintext there.
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06:16:05 <instant-buildbot> build #988 of linux-nightly-default is complete: Success [build successful]  Build details are at http://buildbot.instantbird.org/builders/linux-nightly-default/builds/988
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07:11:41 <instantbot> nhnt11@gmail.com requested review from florian@instantbird .org for attachment 2917 on bug 2143.
07:11:43 <instantbot> Bug https://bugzilla.instantbird.org/show_bug.cgi?id=2143 enh, --, ---, nhnt11, NEW, Stats service should maintain statistical data for conversations and use it for sorting.
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08:32:32 <instantbot> nhnt11@gmail.com cancelled review?(florian@instantbird .org) for attachment 2917 on bug 2143.
08:32:33 <instantbot> nhnt11@gmail.com requested review from florian@instantbird .org for attachment 2918 on bug 2143.
08:32:36 <instantbot> Bug https://bugzilla.instantbird.org/show_bug.cgi?id=2143 enh, --, ---, nhnt11, NEW, Stats service should maintain statistical data for conversations and use it for sorting.
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09:44:57 <instant-buildbot> build #1107 of win32-nightly-default is complete: Success [build successful]  Build details are at http://buildbot.instantbird.org/builders/win32-nightly-default/builds/1107
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10:02:35 * nhnt11 looks at some bugs
10:03:26 <flo-retina> nice to have a nightly on each OS today \o/
10:04:30 <flo-retina> nhnt11: do you think I should try the patch locally tonight before checking it in?
10:04:35 <flo-retina> nhnt11: thanks for the quick updates! :)
10:05:33 <nhnt11> flo-retina: I'm unable to immediately reply "No, go ahead and check it in" so probably yes :S
10:05:49 <flo-retina> ok, will do
10:05:53 <nhnt11> AFAIK it works well
10:06:00 <nhnt11> as far as I've tested* rather
10:06:29 <flo-retina> I'm looking forward to having ranking in a nightly near us :)
10:07:19 <flo-retina> bah, that blinking scrollbar is even more awful when the scroll back is short and the scrollbar's height is more than half the conversation area's height :-(
10:07:38 * nhnt11 doesn't know what this scrollbar stuff is about
10:07:52 <nhnt11> I didn't read the log very thoroughly though...
10:08:10 <nhnt11> ah
10:08:10 <nhnt11> ok
10:08:17 <nhnt11> So it's a bubbles thing :D
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10:08:35 <flo-retina> nhnt11: yeah, it looks like we will have to kill the Bubble auto-scrolling thing
10:09:06 <nhnt12> flo-retina: How about adding the space, but not scrolling? (not sure if this is what you have in mind already)
10:09:29 <nhnt12> And scroll to the bottom when the next message arrives.
10:09:35 <flo-retina> why would we pay the performance cost for messing with the DOM if it's invisible?
10:09:41 <nhnt12> right
10:09:48 <nhnt12> better add the space when a new message arrives
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10:09:59 <flo-retina> or when switching back&forth between tabs
10:10:03 <nhnt12> I was thinking it would be useful if the user scrolled manually, but meh
10:10:03 <nhnt12> yeah
10:10:35 <flo-retina> I think it would look broken if the user can scroll manually (ie. we have not automatically scrolled at the bottom)
10:10:48 <nhnt12> fair enough
10:10:53 <flo-retina> now the thing I'm not sure about is how ugly the jump will be if we still put the text when the time reaches 5 minutes
10:10:55 <nhnt12> the user would have to know the feature
10:11:01 <flo-retina> maybe we should put a CSS transition there
10:11:16 <nhnt12> flo-retina: I wonder if we can somehow get rid of the blinking scrollbar
10:11:23 <flo-retina> no, there are users who scroll without paying attention (I do) while reading
10:11:26 <nhnt12> because it's annoying me when I get new messages too, now that I've noticed it
10:11:42 <nhnt12> wait, what?
10:11:43 <flo-retina> so it blinks on all message themes?
10:11:53 <nhnt12> Well yeah
10:11:58 <nhnt12> (didn't you expect it to?)
10:12:03 <flo-retina> well
10:12:05 <nhnt12> It blinks whenever we set the scroll position
10:12:10 <flo-retina> I expected it to be less noticeable
10:12:22 <nhnt12> it is, in the sense that I didn't notice it until you told me :P
10:12:24 <flo-retina> if it's at the same time as a "large" change
10:12:36 <flo-retina> (as opposed to just 'scrolling 1px up' which is supposed to not be noticeable)
10:12:39 <nhnt12> yeah, it's not nearly as bad
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10:30:04 <flo-retina> are we planning a release 'soon'?
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10:31:07 * nhnt11 doesn't know
10:32:30 <flo-retina> the question wasn't directly toward you ;)
10:34:41 <nhnt11> I know :P
10:43:04 <nhnt11> flo-retina: I'm looking at bug 2076. I've got the opacity working fine, but now chats look odd (they are opaque, while the items directly above are slightly transparent offline contacts)
10:43:08 <nhnt11> -_-'
10:43:08 <instantbot> Bug https://bugzilla.instantbird.org/show_bug.cgi?id=2076 nor, --, ---, nhnt11, ASSI, Offline contacts no longer appear with reduced opacity
10:43:25 <nhnt11> I'm not sure if that's ok
10:43:51 <flo-retina> random suggestion: would it make sense to display chats that the user never joined with the same opacity as offline contacts?
10:44:09 <nhnt11> Interesting
10:44:22 <nhnt11> That will go well with the stats patch
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10:56:28 <instantbot> nhnt11@gmail.com requested review from the wind for attachment 2919 on bug 2076.
10:56:31 <instantbot> Bug https://bugzilla.instantbird.org/show_bug.cgi?id=2076 nor, --, ---, nhnt11, ASSI, Offline contacts no longer appear with reduced opacity
10:56:44 <nhnt11> uh, I meant to r? Mic on that
10:57:20 <instantbot> nhnt11@gmail.com requested review from benediktp@ymail.com  for attachment 2919 on bug 2076.
11:02:28 <nhnt11> flo-retina: Have you been seeing this weird line in the title bar? http://puu.sh/4EOTH.png
11:02:43 <nhnt11> It appears when I move the window from my retina display to my monitor.
11:03:03 <nhnt11> Goes away if I resize the window.
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11:04:17 <flo-retina> nhnt11: yeah, I see it too
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11:05:13 <flo-retina> nhnt11: I'm afraid there's not much we can do about it :-/
11:05:21 <nhnt11> I thought so
11:05:47 <nhnt11> I see this kind of thing in Firefox too..
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11:19:12 <flo-retina> nhnt11: ah, if Firefox is broken you can file a bug :)
11:29:31 <BWMerlin> does anyone know of any extensions for thunderbird that can help customise the chat layout/display?
11:31:22 <nhnt11> flo-retina: Yeah, my Fx looks like this: http://puu.sh/4EPwq.png
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12:05:45 <flo-retina> nhnt11: uh, with Australis is looks awful. Maybe awful enough that you can get it fixed :)
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16:52:44 <instantbot> New Instantbird (UI) bug 2191 filed by aleth@instantbird.org.
16:52:47 <instantbot> Bug https://bugzilla.instantbird.org/show_bug.cgi?id=2191 min, --, ---, nobody, NEW, Give legacy txt log files a nonzero stats rank
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17:02:26 <aleth> "<nhnt12> It blinks whenever we set the scroll position" does it do that even if the scroll bar position hasn't changed? That sounds like a bug.
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19:36:42 <lewellyn> aleth: of course it's not.
19:37:40 <lewellyn> most people who need server passwords for other use cases use a "real" irc client. ;)
19:42:58 <aleth> lewellyn: Would you be interested in coding what's needed to expose a separate server password in the advanced options?
19:43:35 <lewellyn> i'd need to actually successfully ever build instantbird before committing to that :P
19:44:56 <aleth> You could probably do most of it without, actually :P
19:45:10 <aleth> As long as you're only touching JS, no need to compile.
19:45:26 <lewellyn> i also have a backlog a mile long, and need to get some of this paying stuff done asap. :P
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20:10:36 <nhnt11> aleth: My understanding is that when a message is added, the scrollbar position is no longer at the end, and then we force it to the end again, causing the flash
20:10:54 <nhnt11> but I haven't looked at that code so I could be totally wrong...
20:11:05 <aleth> nhnt11: So it no longer flashes for very long conversations?
20:11:28 <nhnt11> "no longer flashed" has it ever flashed?
20:11:30 * aleth is not sure how long it would have to be though
20:11:30 <nhnt11> :S
20:12:20 <aleth> No, I mean now that it flashes for short conversations, does it still flash when the conv is long enough for the scroll position to not move despite adding a pixel at the bottom
20:12:43 <clokep_work> aleth: Yes, because bouncers do an awful job of faking "real" IRC servers.
20:12:45 <nhnt11> Er, I don't know, I don't use bubbles :P
20:12:49 <clokep_work> And have crazy things to identify.
20:13:08 <nhnt11> I'm seeing it flash for new messages (a lot more than a pixel)
20:13:18 <aleth> flo-retina's approach is probably the best fix anyway
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20:14:39 <flo-retina> aleth: I think the scroll position always moves, but by a tiny fraction of a pixel ;)
20:15:52 <nhnt11> aleth: Btw, did you have anything in mind for an improved newtab-item for chats?
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20:17:01 <aleth> nhnt11: We had that open bug about the participant number badge/indicator, to start with
20:17:18 <nhnt11> right, that definitely needs to be improved
20:17:48 <aleth> Depending on how that's done it may be enough to make them look distinctive enough at a glance
20:18:13 <nhnt11> yeah
20:18:28 <nhnt11> fwiw, I wasn't really talking about making chats distinct from contacts in that bug
20:18:57 <nhnt11> Just looked odd to see a bunch of opaque contacts, then a bunch of greyed out contacts, then the opaque chats
20:19:33 <aleth> All I meant was I wouldn't worry about it until the MUC items look the way you want them, it may be an artifact
20:19:38 <nhnt11> cool
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20:20:35 <Huvik> hey nhnt11 how GSoC work out? :)
20:20:41 <nhnt11> Hey Huvik
20:20:47 <nhnt11> It was great!
20:20:56 <Huvik> nice to hear you :)
20:21:01 <nhnt11> :)
20:21:31 <Huvik> i am sad i didnt get opporunity 
20:23:00 <clokep_work> There's always next year!
20:23:17 <clokep_work> Or you can just do itw without GSoC. :)
20:23:27 <aleth> Autumn of code!
20:23:45 <Huvik> heh
20:24:22 <Huvik> i think my autumn will be hard for me
20:25:02 <Huvik> school project make compiler php > c
20:31:43 <clokep_work> Well if you change your mind, let us know. :)
20:32:21 <Huvik> i will think about it :)
20:32:42 <Huvik> what do you use for versions? git?
20:32:50 <nhnt11> Huvik: Mercurial
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20:36:16 <nhnt11> flo-retina: Will you be testing the stats patch any time in the next ~30 minutes?
20:36:47 <flo-retina> maybe.
20:36:55 <flo-retina> next hour is likely, 30 minutes, note sure.
20:37:24 <nhnt11> Ok, I don't think I can stay up that long. I'll take a look at the log tomorrow :)
20:37:28 <nhnt11> Good night.
20:38:48 <Mic> Good night!
20:39:44 <aleth> nhnt11: You did see in the logs that there are people using the nightly because of the awesometab? ;)
20:40:06 <nhnt11> aleth: Yeah, :)
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20:54:45 <Mic> I always hated when I had to send a message to an offline contact. It's easy now with the awesome tab :)
20:55:20 <flo-retina> :)
21:06:25 <Mic> MUCs definitely need a different icon on this tab, though ;)
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21:55:23 <kkirill> hello, all. could you please help me to find out how to change font size of the messages without creating my own message style?
21:56:01 <aleth> kkirill: Preferences->Content
21:56:34 <kkirill> and if it does not work for me
21:56:41 * aleth suspects Mic's recent WIP might have helped here ;)
21:56:58 <aleth> kkirill: Some badly behaved message styles override the setting
21:57:18 <kkirill> I'm using Simple default theme
21:57:43 <aleth> kkirill: It should work with Simple.
21:58:07 <aleth> WFM at least.
21:58:18 <kkirill> in nightly too?
21:58:22 <aleth> Sure.
21:58:36 <flo-retina> if it doesn't work you can still zoom with ctrl+'+'
21:58:56 <Mic> kkirill: works for me.
21:58:58 <aleth> Maybe it conflicts with your DPI add-on?
21:59:14 <kkirill> ctrl+"+" works
21:59:15 <Mic> I just switched to Simple and increased the font size and ... it awful ;)
22:00:13 <aleth> Mic: Possibly changing the font would help? :P
22:00:22 <kkirill> no, it does not for me even in Linux without the add-on
22:00:37 <Mic> aleth: to ... "Comic Sans"? :P
22:01:02 <aleth> Mic: That's awful even before you increase the font size :D
22:01:46 <aleth> kkirill: Did you restart after disabling the add-on? Does the add-on set about:config flags that don't get reset when disabling it? (i.e. does it work with a fresh profile?)
22:02:23 <flo-retina> aleth: :-D
22:02:23 <kkirill> it works for the input field, but it does not for the conversation panel
22:03:09 <kkirill> so I have huge font when I type and little when it is posted
22:05:57 <aleth> kkirill: That's strange. Unfortunately I can't reproduce, and I'm on Linux...
22:07:09 <aleth> It should work at the very least for all built-in styles.
22:07:27 <kkirill> I will try to restart the application
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22:13:58 <kkirill> I've tried to delete the profile, it didn't help
22:14:22 <kkirill> but font settings work under running IM as "root" :)
22:14:37 <aleth> kkirill: Deleting isn't necessary, you could just make a new one with -P command line flag
22:15:18 <kkirill> nevertheless, I will use Ctrl++ as a workaround for the time being
22:15:20 <aleth> kkirill: If it works as root then the issue is likely something to do with your particular configuration, though I have no idea what :-|
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22:16:18 <kkirill> me neither
22:20:03 <kkirill> I don't think that this error can be the reason: (instantbird:7816): Gtk-CRITICAL **: IA__gtk_clipboard_set_with_data: assertion `targets != NULL' failed
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22:20:31 <kkirill> nothing else in the console comparing with the root output
22:22:32 <florian> I'm trying the ranking patch locally
22:22:42 <florian> my debug build is very unresponsive :(
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22:33:58 <flo-retina> I can't decide what the result of my test is
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22:50:22 <flo-retina> btw, I opened the profiler when my debug build was unresponsive, and it was spending time creating newtab items and finding where to insert them; so I suspect it was my playing with the awesometab that was interferring with what the stats service was doing and causing excessive additional work
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22:58:54 <instantbot> florian@instantbird.org granted review for attachment 2918 on bug 2143.
22:58:58 <instantbot> Bug https://bugzilla.instantbird.org/show_bug.cgi?id=2143 enh, --, ---, nhnt11, NEW, Stats service should maintain statistical data for conversations and use it for sorting.
23:01:16 <instantbot> Check-in: http://hg.instantbird.org/instantbird/rev/8d0e7525f85f - Nihanth Subramanya - Bug 2143 - Stats service should maintain statistical data for conversations and use it for sorting, r=fqueze,aleth.
23:01:17 <instantbot> Check-in: http://hg.instantbird.org/instantbird/rev/07227be16b3d - Nihanth Subramanya - Bug 2183 - Overly greedy regexp butchers topic on LIST responses, r=clokep.
23:03:40 <instant-buildbot> build #466 of win32-onCommit is complete: Failure [failed compile]  Build details are at http://buildbot.instantbird.org/builders/win32-onCommit/builds/466  blamelist: Nihanth Subramanya <nhnt11@gmail.com>
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23:12:59 <instantbot> clokep@gmail.com set the Resolution field on bug 2143 to FIXED.
23:13:01 <instantbot> Bug https://bugzilla.instantbird.org/show_bug.cgi?id=2143 enh, --, 1.5, nhnt11, RESO FIXED, Stats service should maintain statistical data for conversations and use it for sorting.
23:13:30 <instantbot> clokep@gmail.com set the Resolution field on bug 2183 to FIXED.
23:13:32 <instantbot> Bug https://bugzilla.instantbird.org/show_bug.cgi?id=2183 nor, --, 1.5, nhnt11, RESO FIXED, Overly greedy regexp butchers topic on LIST responses
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23:32:42 <instant-buildbot> build #475 of macosx-onCommit is complete: Success [build successful]  Build details are at http://buildbot.instantbird.org/builders/macosx-onCommit/builds/475