#instantbird log on 09 14 2013

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00:07:51 <instant-buildbot> build #468 of linux-onCommit is complete: Success [build successful]  Build details are at http://buildbot.instantbird.org/builders/linux-onCommit/builds/468
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03:14:10 <instantbot> qheaden@phaseshiftsoftware.com requested review from benediktp@ymail.com for attachment 2886 on bug 2136.
03:14:14 <instantbot> Bug https://bugzilla.instantbird.org/show_bug.cgi?id=2136 min, --, ---, qheaden, ASSI, Yahoo! Mobile status not taken into account
03:22:49 <instant-buildbot> build #970 of linux-nightly-default is complete: Success [build successful]  Build details are at http://buildbot.instantbird.org/builders/linux-nightly-default/builds/970
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04:16:41 <instant-buildbot> build #1075 of win32-nightly-default is complete: Failure [failed compile]  Build details are at http://buildbot.instantbird.org/builders/win32-nightly-default/builds/1075
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06:13:10 <instant-buildbot> build #458 of win32-onCommit is complete: Failure [failed compile]  Build details are at http://buildbot.instantbird.org/builders/win32-onCommit/builds/458  blamelist: Nihanth Subramanya <nhnt11@gmail.com>
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08:43:57 <instantbot> benediktp@ymail.com denied review for attachment 2886 on bug 2136.
08:43:59 <instantbot> Bug https://bugzilla.instantbird.org/show_bug.cgi?id=2136 min, --, ---, qheaden, ASSI, Yahoo! Mobile status not taken into account
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09:15:06 <Mic> Good morning
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09:52:48 <flo-retina> this is a profile of displaying a large IRC log in the log viewer: http://i2.minus.com/iTS4F8eNibRoz.png
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10:49:46 <Mic> Would we want to use toLocaleLowerCase instead of toLowerCase when in combination with localeCompare? MDN says there is (or might be) a difference for the Turkish language even though I didn't notice any difference between those too functions when I tried last time.
10:50:16 <Mic> I want to decide if there's something left to do in bug 1322 after bug 451 already changed getTags to return a sorted list.
10:50:20 <instantbot> Bug https://bugzilla.instantbird.org/show_bug.cgi?id=1322 tri, --, ---, nobody, NEW, Tags should be sorted using localeCompare
10:50:21 <instantbot> Bug https://bugzilla.instantbird.org/show_bug.cgi?id=451 enh, --, 1.5, aleth, RESO FIXED, Participants Need Context Menu
10:55:12 <Mic> If we want to use toLocaleLowerCase then there's a few more places where we should change to it.
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11:05:04 <BWMerlin> I have just started using the instantbird plugin for thunderbird and I think it is absolutely awesome
11:05:16 <Mic> Hello BWMerlin
11:05:44 <BWMerlin> but I do have a question, is there a way I can associate irc hyperlinks on websites with thunderbird so that if I click on them they will open in thunberbird?
11:05:48 <BWMerlin> hi Mic 
11:05:57 <Mic> These thanks go to flo-retin a then, he's the one maintaining it.
11:06:17 <Mic> There's no handler for the IRC protocol yet (for no protocol to be honest).
11:06:28 <BWMerlin> aww that is a shame
11:06:52 <BWMerlin> flo-retina: big thank you for thunberbird instantbird plugin
11:07:28 <BWMerlin> I have been using pidgin for years and while I like it it has always been a little buggy the devs always seem a little... off putting
11:08:06 <Mic> Let me look up the bug number - I'm sure we have one for the IRC links.
11:10:08 <Mic> Bug 516 is about the problem in general
11:10:11 <instantbot> Bug https://bugzilla.instantbird.org/show_bug.cgi?id=516 enh, --, ---, nobody, NEW, Register protocol handlers for IM protocols
11:10:44 <Mic> If you've got an account with us, you can add yourself to the CC list (to receive emails when something happens on that bug).
11:13:28 <BWMerlin> I do not have an account with the instantbird bugzilla (I assume this is different from the mozilla bugzilla)
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11:21:00 <Mic> BWMerlin: yes, it is a different bugtracker.
11:25:18 <BWMerlin> sigh, another account, just what I need (really should look into openid)
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12:01:46 <clokep> flo-retina, qheaden: Sorry, I worded that really poorly yesterday (i.e. http://log.bezut.info/instantbird/yesterday/#m635), what I meant is we should have a GSoC roundup saying how it went from the project's POV, I didn't think that's what qheaden was suggesting to write...but he of course can if he wants!
12:03:02 <clokep> Oh boo, I forgot that Not Today! is broken...
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12:52:49 <flo-retina> clokep: maybe we should try and fix it before releasing 1.5? ;)
12:53:06 <flo-retina> I guess I mean possibly put in place a better API for what it's trying to do.
12:53:18 <flo-retina> That would be super useful for add-ons integrating pastebin too
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14:28:46 <BWMerlin> flo-retina: is it you I have to thanks for the thunderbird plugin for instantbird?
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15:12:35 <flo-retina> BWMerlin: there's no "thunderbird plugin for instantbird". You talked about IRC earlier; IRC is directly part of Thunderbird.
15:14:00 <BWMerlin> flo-retina: then I am guessing it is not you who made this then https://addons.mozilla.org/en-US/thunderbird/addon/additional-chat-protocols/
15:14:15 <flo-retina> yes; but you don't need it for IRC :)
15:18:32 <BWMerlin> I still like this addon
15:18:41 <BWMerlin> it gives me twitter back
15:18:57 <flo-retina> Twitter is in Thunderbird by default, without add-on
15:20:30 <BWMerlin> :)
15:20:33 <BWMerlin> :O*
15:20:37 <BWMerlin> that I did not know
15:20:42 <BWMerlin> today has been a good day
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15:21:08 <flo-retina> (I made both the instant messaging integration in Thunderbird; and the add-on)
15:22:05 <BWMerlin> Then you have done a great job
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15:23:01 <BWMerlin> Here, have a biscuit
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15:39:19 <dew> flo-retina is pretty much awesome.  Take it from me, I've seen him in the weekly meetings
15:39:33 <dew> and he left when I was typing that
15:39:51 <flo-retina> weekly meetings?
15:40:31 <dew> yeah I used to see you in the TB meetings
15:41:05 <flo-retina> I didn't know we had people from the community who took time to attend those meetings.
15:41:35 <dew> yeah I'm a mozilla fanboy :P
15:42:56 <flo-retina> :)
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17:27:44 <flo-retina> bah, I'm hitting https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=591600 again :(
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18:01:51 <flo-retina> how do you all feel about this? http://i7.minus.com/iEk7ALX4XTof.png
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19:02:44 <Mic> flo-retina: I think the modded Bubbles theme looks packed. Is the reduced distance between bubble border and text necessary?
19:05:20 <Mic> Maybe adding 1em does help and it will only cost about 1 character per line.
19:08:27 <Mic> I like the colored separators, that's something I've also played with for the dark bubbles theme :)
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20:45:48 <flo-retina> Mic: "looks packed" heh, I was sure _you_ would say that :-D.
20:46:57 * nhnt11 agrees with Mic
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20:48:32 <flo-retina> there are several different things I was trying to address; and touching everything at once is likely not a very good idea
20:49:45 <flo-retina> 1. I dislike that the vertical whitespace between the end of the last message of a bubble and the bubble's border is larger than the vertical whitespace between the last system message and the system message bubble's border.
20:50:13 <flo-retina> 2. I dislike the gray splitters, that uselessly add a 'color' in the mix.
20:50:34 <flo-retina> I tried to replace them with splitters of the same color as the bubble's border
20:50:44 <flo-retina> I also disliked the splitters that were lines 'connected to nowhere'
20:51:30 <flo-retina> so I tried to connect them to the side of the bubble (that looks awful on the side of the bubble where there's an arrow; so I used a gradient to hide it 'without visible limit' on that side)
20:52:22 <flo-retina> Then the solid line between the left side of the bubble and the beginning of the text looked ugly (it was too visible), so I reduced the horizontal whitespace on the left side of message bubbles. And then I aligned the text of system messages.
20:52:53 <flo-retina> I think it looks quite good on the system messages, as the whitespace is now the same on all sides; but I'm not satisfied of the way it looks on message bubbles.
20:54:37 <flo-retina> 3. There's also the general issue that most people I see trying Instantbird start by putting Simple in place of Bubbles because Bubbles wastes way too much space (and 3. bis; on very busy IRC channels with several messages per second, I find Bubbles unusable).
20:55:26 * nhnt11 doesn't use bubbles because of 3. too.
20:56:06 <nhnt11> also because I find it very annoying that the bubles move upwards by a pixel every now and then (I recall this is a feature but I don't like it)
20:56:40 <flo-retina> why is it "very annoying"?
20:56:59 <nhnt11> Because the movement catches my eyes when I'm looking at something else
20:57:02 <nhnt11> it's distracting.
20:57:37 <flo-retina> I wonder how much that differs from a person to another
20:57:48 <flo-retina> out of curiosity, how long have you tried it?
20:57:56 <nhnt11> I'm using it right now.
20:58:10 <nhnt11> And I used it for a couple of days when I first tried Instantbird
20:58:35 <flo-retina> ok
20:58:36 <nhnt11> I used simple for a week or so after that, but then I switched to paper sheets and find it perfect
20:59:02 <nhnt11> I switch back to it within a couple hours at max after trying a different theme usually
20:59:03 * nhnt11 shrugs
20:59:15 <flo-retina> that's strange
20:59:23 <flo-retina> historically Paper Sheet was Bubbles' prototype
21:00:08 <nhnt11> I like paper sheets because it looks good, doesn't waste space, and at the same time isn't cluttered.
21:00:09 <flo-retina> and we considered ditching it once Bubbles would be polished enough. That never happened, I don't remember why; maybe just because we thought people who were using it would get upset if we removed it.
21:00:21 * nhnt11 would be upset
21:00:30 <nhnt11> I would probably make an addon out of it...
21:00:41 <flo-retina> we never really figured out the "wastes too much space" aspect of bubbles
21:01:43 <nhnt11> It could be the margin...
21:01:58 <nhnt11> (but without that the little arrow would have no space)
21:02:33 <flo-retina> we also never figured out how we could display the avatar next to the arrow
21:03:41 <nhnt11> Hmm
21:04:12 <flo-retina> vertical centering is difficult in CSS :(
21:04:21 <nhnt11> I've never liked most of the "bubbles" themes in IM apps, especially on phones.
21:04:27 <nhnt11> Hmm (again)
21:04:58 <nhnt11> WhatsApp has one of the most unobtrusive bubbles themes imo
21:05:47 * flo-retina has never used WhatsApp
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21:24:59 <flo-retina> Is "the unbalanced margins around the log viewer's progress bar hurt my eyes" a valid bug summary? ;)
21:25:20 <flo-retina> (I have a trivial patch to go with it ;))
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21:32:10 <nhnt11> flo-retina: Is there a bug filed for http://puu.sh/4rm53.png, btw?
21:33:06 <flo-retina> nhnt11: https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=909466
21:33:44 <flo-retina> SocialAPI offered me a good opportunity to file that itch of mine ;)
21:34:13 <nhnt11> Ah, so not specific to Ib..
21:34:25 <flo-retina> yeah
21:34:37 <flo-retina> although apparently I haven't made a good job of convincing the reviewer :(
21:35:27 <flo-retina> we could easily apply the patch for Ib's conversations though; if we can't get it fixed in Mozilla; or don't want to wait
21:36:41 * nhnt11 wouldn't mind ;)
21:39:42 <flo-retina> how do you all feel about http://i5.minus.com/ii4trX37Fa5Wd.png ?
21:40:05 <flo-retina> I only touched the splitters, and got rid of the system message border (keeping only the box shadow)
21:41:04 * nhnt11 wonders how bubbles would look with a thinner border
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21:51:12 * flo-retina wonders if he should create a patch for these modified splitters or wait for feedback
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22:08:21 <instantbot> New Instantbird (UI) bug 2172 filed by florian@instantbird.org.
22:08:23 <instantbot> florian@instantbird.org requested review from the wind for attachment 2887 on bug 2172.
22:08:24 <instantbot> Bug https://bugzilla.instantbird.org/show_bug.cgi?id=2172 nor, --, ---, nobody, NEW, Bubbles: use splitter of the same color as the bubble's borders to separate messages
22:23:36 <nhnt11> flo-retina: Does that look ok when there are multiple small messages from the same person?
22:24:00 <florian> nhnt11: wanna try? Join me in #testib ;)
22:24:08 <nhnt11> I imagine it would be odd to see a divider in the middle with no text at all on the left
22:24:14 <nhnt11> Ok, I guess I can spare a few minutes
22:24:28 <nhnt11> at all above it* 
22:24:46 <flo-retina> actually I can try alone I gues
22:24:47 <flo-retina> s
22:25:16 <nhnt11> I'd like to see it though :(
22:25:17 <nhnt11> :) *
22:25:39 <flo-retina> http://i2.minus.com/iEQ4HKkosrzG.png
22:26:08 <nhnt11> Looks a bit weirdish imo
22:26:21 <flo-retina> I think it isn't too bad
22:26:31 <flo-retina> that situation wastes a lot of space anyway...
22:26:44 <nhnt11> flo-retina: Increase the width of your window
22:26:57 <nhnt11> (and see if you still think it isn't too bad)
22:27:45 <flo-retina> http://i1.minus.com/ibgnp3xEapN9aQ.png that doesn't seem worse than what we currently have
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22:43:26 <instantbot> New Core - IRC bug 2173 filed by nhnt11@gmail.com.
22:43:29 <instantbot> Bug https://bugzilla.instantbird.org/show_bug.cgi?id=2173 min, --, ---, nobody, NEW, Clicking the topic in the header of an IRC channel with no topic and focusing something else without
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