#instantbird log on 08 27 2013

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01:41:47 * qheaden just gets home. :-/
01:46:12 <EionRobb> I got a home once, but I had to pay it back
01:50:02 <qheaden> :P
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03:11:41 <instantbot> clokep@gmail.com granted review for attachment 2790 on bug 2130.
03:11:45 <instantbot> Bug https://bugzilla.instantbird.org/show_bug.cgi?id=2130 tri, --, ---, florian, ASSI, Warning: received presence stanza for unknown buddy <user's JID with another resource>
03:14:23 <instantbot> clokep@gmail.com granted review for attachment 2791 on bug 2127.
03:14:26 <instantbot> Bug https://bugzilla.instantbird.org/show_bug.cgi?id=2127 cri, --, ---, florian, ASSI, Triple clicking the Details links of the Update history dialog quits Instantbird
03:16:04 <instant-buildbot> build #958 of macosx-nightly-default is complete: Success [build successful]  Build details are at http://buildbot.instantbird.org/builders/macosx-nightly-default/builds/958
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06:06:49 <nakp> hmmm Morian could you help me adding a command to instantbird?
06:07:11 <nakp> clockep used to be here, and he was helping me about 3 weeks ago xD but ive never seen him again
06:07:42 <nakp> maybe you flo-retina?
06:08:28 <nakp> florian
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07:30:05 <instant-buildbot> build #1047 of win32-nightly-default is complete: Success [build successful]  Build details are at http://buildbot.instantbird.org/builders/win32-nightly-default/builds/1047
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08:29:16 <instantbot> florian@instantbird.org set the Resolution field on bug 2127 to FIXED.
08:29:18 <instantbot> Bug https://bugzilla.instantbird.org/show_bug.cgi?id=2127 cri, --, 1.5, florian, RESO FIXED, Triple clicking the Details links of the Update history dialog quits Instantbird
08:29:36 <instantbot> florian@instantbird.org set the Resolution field on bug 2130 to FIXED.
08:29:40 <instantbot> Bug https://bugzilla.instantbird.org/show_bug.cgi?id=2130 tri, --, 1.5, florian, RESO FIXED, Warning: received presence stanza for unknown buddy <user's JID with another resource>
08:33:09 <instantbot> Check-in: http://hg.instantbird.org/instantbird/rev/036b434aa06b - Florian Quèze - Bug 2130 - Warning: received presence stanza for unknown buddy <user's JID with another resource>, r=clokep.
08:33:10 <instantbot> Check-in: http://hg.instantbird.org/instantbird/rev/c673a1937cf1 - Florian Quèze - Bug 2127 - Fix 'Details' links of the 'Update History' dialog, r=clokep.
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08:48:34 <instant-buildbot> build #453 of macosx-onCommit is complete: Success [build successful]  Build details are at http://buildbot.instantbird.org/builders/macosx-onCommit/builds/453
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09:14:58 <instantbot> aleth@instantbird.org granted review for attachment 2787 on bug 2128.
09:15:00 <instantbot> Bug https://bugzilla.instantbird.org/show_bug.cgi?id=2128 tri, --, ---, nobody, NEW, Chrome file doesn't exist: messages/papersheets/Variants/default.css
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09:29:48 <aleth> Still no nightlies :(
09:30:29 <aleth> Even must have run into more serious problems than just a dead disk...
09:32:20 <flo-retina> aleth: the windows machine is currently building
09:32:25 <flo-retina> not sure why the linux one isn't around
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10:10:04 <flo-retina> Good morning :)
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10:19:04 <clokep> Hello.
10:24:51 <instantbot> aleth@instantbird.org granted review for attachment 2789 on bug 2129.
10:24:53 <instantbot> Bug https://bugzilla.instantbird.org/show_bug.cgi?id=2129 nor, --, ---, florian, NEW, Account displayed connected and with an error at the same time.
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10:28:38 <aleth> Heh, that 'Details' bug had an interesting explanation :)
10:30:11 <clokep> Bah.
10:30:18 <clokep> I guess I should look at the Mozilla23 update at some point.
10:31:03 <aleth> Or do something that you are more motivated about first, for variety ;)
10:32:51 <clokep> I have too many other things open currently. :P
10:34:45 <instant-buildbot> build #446 of win32-onCommit is complete: Exception [exception]  Build details are at http://buildbot.instantbird.org/builders/win32-onCommit/builds/446  blamelist: Florian Qu?ze <florian@instantbird.org>, Quentin Headen <qheaden@phaseshiftsoftware.com>, Nihanth Subramanya <nhnt11@gmail.com>, aleth <aleth@instantbird.org>
10:35:01 * clokep wonders if he should just kill the "sync build infrastructure" patches in his queue...
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10:46:08 <flo-retina> clokep: what are the "sync build infrastructure" patches about?
10:46:16 <flo-retina> is it the mozbuild conversion for the instantbird/ parts?
10:46:36 <clokep> flo-retina: It's the mozbuild parts for everything...
10:46:42 <clokep> And syncing the installer.
10:46:54 <flo-retina> iirc the only part that was still broken was libpurple dynamically linked prpls
10:47:11 <clokep> It was.
10:47:18 <flo-retina> is the patch in a bug somewhere?
10:47:31 <flo-retina> (I mean, separated from the parts that already landed)
10:48:28 <clokep> Yes...
10:48:40 <clokep> (Which one is a good question though. :))
10:49:27 <clokep> flo-retina: https://bugzilla.instantbird.org/attachment.cgi?id=2592&action=diff
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10:49:43 <clokep> So that will include the changes you made that, I haven't like qrefed those in yet.
10:53:25 <clokep> Firefox Nightlies are 33.4 MB now? That's a big increase in size...
10:53:40 <clokep> I could have sworn they were like 20 - 25.
10:55:16 <aleth> Maybe it's the add-on sdk? :P
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11:00:56 <flo-retina> "load averages: 32.64, 39.12, 44.27" uh
11:01:06 <flo-retina> I guess that explains why my SSH tunnel doesn't work well :(
11:01:58 <flo-retina> seems to be plenty of httpd processes
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11:50:39 <clokep_> Well I started a moz 23 build before leaving, so we'll see how it looks when I get home.
11:50:52 <clokep_> (My upgrade patches script worked for once and there were no conflicts! :))
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12:04:59 <aleth> clokep_: lxr is being super slow/timing out as well, not sure if that's related
12:10:49 <clokep_> aleth: Interesting.
12:10:56 <clokep_> I just wanted the dates to add to https://wiki.instantbird.org/Instantbird:timeline :P
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12:39:47 <flo-retina> aleth: lxr is hosted on my server
12:40:03 <flo-retina> (the one that has crazy load averages today)
12:40:45 <aleth> Maybe some robot is scraping lxr or something?
12:41:11 <flo-retina> that's possible :(
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13:04:11 <flo-retina> aleth, clokep_: the server seems back in normal conditions. During the last 2:30 hours, we had 17047 POST requests on the blog's login form
13:08:44 <clokep_> :(
13:08:51 <clokep_> Did any succeed? :P
13:08:56 <clokep_> Sounds like someone trying to brute force...
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13:09:40 <flo-retina> clokep_: stupid brute force indeed
13:09:53 <clokep_> Don't we stop those after af ew tries? :-S
13:10:13 <flo-retina> clokep_: putting the server under such heavy load that it can't connect to its SQL database any more reduces dramatically the chances of success, as the reply is 500 Internal Server Error ;)
13:10:26 <clokep_> :)
13:10:42 <clokep_> DDoS? :P
13:11:25 <flo-retina> so, I don't know if wordpress has logs (so I can't give a clear yes/no), but to the question "Did any succeed?", I would think that it's highly unlikely
13:13:32 <flo-retina> clokep_: that was from 1709 different IPs.
13:15:31 <instantbot> New Core - Yahoo! Messenger bug 2131 filed by aleth@instantbird.org.
13:15:34 <instantbot> Bug https://bugzilla.instantbird.org/show_bug.cgi?id=2131 nor, --, ---, nobody, NEW, "Would you like to be my chat buddy" sent on accepting buddy auth request
13:17:12 <instantbot> New Core - Yahoo! Messenger bug 2132 filed by aleth@instantbird.org.
13:17:14 <instantbot> Bug https://bugzilla.instantbird.org/show_bug.cgi?id=2132 nor, --, ---, nobody, NEW, Sender name not set correctly in Yahoo conversations
13:21:57 <instantbot> New Core - Yahoo! Messenger bug 2133 filed by aleth@instantbird.org.
13:21:59 <instantbot> Bug https://bugzilla.instantbird.org/show_bug.cgi?id=2133 nor, --, ---, nobody, NEW, Status messages of contacts not shown in buddy tooltip
13:22:56 <aleth> Nobody else ever files yahoo bugs :-S
13:23:37 <clokep_> aleth: I haven't played with it as much as I should have. :(
13:23:50 * clokep_ wanted to talk to qheaden about enabling it by default yesterday.
13:24:02 <clokep_> But he failed to tell me he was free at any point.
13:24:25 <aleth> Start of term...
13:25:02 <clokep_> Yes.
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13:35:02 <instantbot> New Core - IRC bug 2134 filed by florian@instantbird.org.
13:35:05 <instantbot> Bug https://bugzilla.instantbird.org/show_bug.cgi?id=2134 nor, --, ---, nobody, NEW, Exception... "'TypeError: this._account is undefined' when calling method: [nsIStreamListener::onSto
13:35:29 <flo-retina> I also have a "Error: TypeError: getBrowser(...) is null Source File: chrome://instantbird/content/instantbird.xul Line: 1" but I've really no idea of where it comes from :(
13:36:52 <flo-retina> also, is it really a good idea to have an ERROR at http://mxr.mozilla.org/comm-central/source/chat/protocols/irc/irc.js#662 ?
13:37:28 <flo-retina> time out is usually just "your connection is down, bad luck".
13:41:20 <aleth> Don't we generally make involuntary disconnects ERRORs in the console?
13:42:01 <aleth> eg http://lxr.instantbird.org/instantbird/source/chat/protocols/xmpp/xmpp-session.jsm#206
13:43:55 <clokep_> flo-retina: Um, really? What else would you have that be? :-S
13:44:15 <flo-retina> clokep_: an error in the account manager, not in the error console
13:44:29 <flo-retina> clokep_: it's not a brokenness of the prpl.
13:44:42 <flo-retina> clokep_: you wouldn't ERROR in the Error Console for a wrong password, would you?
13:44:55 <aleth> I wouldn't be surprised if we did.
13:46:05 <flo-retina> aleth: what are you linking to? I see only _networkError calls, that then calls onError, that calls this._account.onError that disconnects the account with an error: http://lxr.instantbird.org/instantbird/source/chat/protocols/xmpp/xmpp.jsm#959
13:47:00 <clokep_> flo-retina: I think you're making assumptions that we have some sort of guidelines we follow for when to use "error" vs "warn" vs. "info", but honestly we've never discussed this.
13:47:09 <flo-retina> clokep_: my point is that stuff in the Error Console is mostly stuff that we should debug/look into. The account manager shows stuff that _the user_ should fix. There's nothing we can fix about a flaky connection...
13:47:09 <clokep_> (And apparently you and I have different ideas ;))
13:47:33 <aleth> flo-retina: You're right, it never sends to the error console. I thought it did.
13:47:35 <clokep_> (Also, I find the error code inside of xmpp.jsm to be super obfuscated.)
13:48:24 * flo-retina isn't sure what's obfuscated in xmpp.jsm, but that seems a different topic
13:52:46 <clokep_> We've already had discussions about that before, and we apparently disagree on it. ;)
13:53:01 <clokep_> I can just never follow the error handling code, it has a ton of little functions that seem to just pass things through without doing anything.
13:54:32 <flo-retina> clokep_: I'm not really satisfied with that code either.
13:58:41 <flo-retina> but the only method I can find that exactly matches your description is http://lxr.instantbird.org/instantbird/source/chat/protocols/xmpp/xmpp-session.jsm#94
13:58:57 <flo-retina> that is the only caller of http://lxr.instantbird.org/instantbird/source/chat/protocols/xmpp/xmpp.jsm#959
14:00:39 <clokep_> OK.
14:01:38 <flo-retina> my real point though, was that an Error Console that is full of messages that aren't caused by bugs makes real bugs less noticeable.
14:02:27 <aleth> In this case, I guess a lot of the gut feeling depends on how often you see timeout disconnects ;)
14:02:40 <flo-retina> aleth: my Error Console is full of it
14:03:27 <aleth> bad isp or just dodgy wireless? :(
14:03:57 <flo-retina> a mix of isp, wireless, irc server unreliability I guess
14:04:16 <flo-retina> + I ssh tunnel into the server that was under attack today, so that made me more likely to timeout ;)
14:04:17 <clokep_> flo-retina: If the error console is only supposed to show bugs then we probably need to go over a lot of the code we have and re-evaluate what's displayed.
14:04:49 <flo-retina> clokep_: my approach is more to go over what's cluttering the console, and get that fixed ;)
14:05:10 <aleth> I take the error console to also be there to alert me to things that users also care about, but in greater detail than users would usually case for.
14:05:42 <flo-retina> aleth: if the user cares about it but it's not displayed; it's a bug. So it's reasonable to have it in the error console ;).
14:06:30 <flo-retina> clokep_: I'm not aiming for a 100% empty console. But if I need to scroll to see what's going on when I open it, something is wrong.
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14:10:20 <clokep_> OK.
14:10:23 <flo-retina> FYI, it currently displays 11 "Connection timed out", 8 "connection closed by server", 10 noisy messages about OpenGL (I would like to get this one removed on the platform), warnings that will be fixed in tomorrow's nightly, and SASL errors.
14:10:53 <flo-retina> +3 times the error of the bug I filed today
14:11:06 <flo-retina> and the getBrowser() is null error that puzzles me.
14:11:35 <clokep_> I'd like to look at the SASL code again soon FWIW.
14:11:43 <flo-retina> that would be great :)
14:11:45 <aleth> I've never seen the getBrowser one
14:11:48 <clokep_> That one is actually a bug somewhere though, I think. ;)
14:11:51 <flo-retina> aleth: first time I see it
14:11:54 <aleth> If it's new, maybe tomorrow...
14:12:08 <flo-retina> aleth: but the console was fully unreadable until 2-3 nightlies ago ;)
14:12:43 <flo-retina> the XMPP warnings I fixed yesterday was awfully spammy too :(
14:13:01 <flo-retina> it more or less caused a warning each time I unlocked or locked the screen of my phone
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19:38:26 <instant-buildbot> build #951 of linux-nightly-default is complete: Success [build successful]  Build details are at http://buildbot.instantbird.org/builders/linux-nightly-default/builds/951
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20:17:52 <qheaden> Hello everyone. :)
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21:02:53 * flo-retina wonders if there's a reason why aleth hasn't reviewed bug 2126 today even though the change were super trivial, and we discussed them all on IRC yesterday.
21:02:57 <instantbot> Bug https://bugzilla.instantbird.org/show_bug.cgi?id=2126 nor, --, ---, florian, NEW, Simplify system message collapsing
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21:23:19 <instantbot> florian@instantbird.org set the Resolution field on bug 2129 to FIXED.
21:23:26 <instantbot> Bug https://bugzilla.instantbird.org/show_bug.cgi?id=2129 nor, --, 1.5, florian, RESO FIXED, Account displayed connected and with an error at the same time.
21:24:27 <instantbot> Check-in: http://hg.instantbird.org/instantbird/rev/8c14b8b5a398 - Florian Quèze - Bug 2129 - Account displayed connected and with an error at the same time, r=aleth.
21:24:28 <instantbot> Check-in: http://hg.instantbird.org/instantbird/rev/ef66a2e95aaa - Florian Quèze - Bug 2128 - Chrome file doesn't exist: messages/papersheets/Variants/default.css, r=aleth.
21:24:50 <instantbot> florian@instantbird.org set the Resolution field on bug 2128 to FIXED.
21:24:53 <instantbot> Bug https://bugzilla.instantbird.org/show_bug.cgi?id=2128 tri, --, 1.5, florian, RESO FIXED, Chrome file doesn't exist: messages/papersheets/Variants/default.css
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21:32:13 <flo-retina> uh, looks like https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=451283 (log4moz) is moving again :-S
21:39:57 <qheaden> Let me get to writing some patches now.
21:42:00 <instant-buildbot> build #454 of macosx-onCommit is complete: Success [build successful]  Build details are at http://buildbot.instantbird.org/builders/macosx-onCommit/builds/454
21:42:00 <flo-retina> :)
21:42:19 <EionRobb> does IB only ever compile against the latest mozilla base libs?
21:42:38 <EionRobb> or do you have to add in compatibility, eg for looking for log4moz in a few different places?
21:42:50 <flo-retina> EionRobb: we don't want log4moz
21:43:57 <flo-retina> EionRobb: we usually compile against the mozilla source of the current release (ie currently that would be Mozilla 23... but we are actually still on mozilla22 for a few days)
21:44:50 * clokep_ hates log4moz.
21:45:08 <clokep_> EionRobb: We don't explicitly break backward compatibility, but we don't keep it either.
21:46:08 <flo-retina> clokep_: I don't really hate it. I just fail to understand why someone would want to use something that complicated.
21:46:30 <EionRobb> if its complicated then it must be good, right? ;)
21:47:23 <flo-retina> EionRobb: that's rarely the way I feel for APIs :-P
21:47:43 <EionRobb> lol
21:48:59 <instant-buildbot> build #458 of linux-onCommit is complete: Success [build successful]  Build details are at http://buildbot.instantbird.org/builders/linux-onCommit/builds/458
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21:52:35 <flo-retina> bah, I need to clobber my mozilla-central debug build _again_ :(
21:56:52 <qheaden> I see aleth is at it with finding Yahoo bugs again. :P
21:57:10 <flo-retina> qheaden: he's just preparing you for when I'll try it :-P
21:57:30 <flo-retina> I think he suggested we all get Yahoo accounts, and switch #chatdev to it :-P
21:58:32 * qheaden is getting afraid again
21:58:44 <qheaden> flo-retina: That would be a great way of testing it.
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22:52:21 <instant-buildbot> build #447 of win32-onCommit is complete: Exception [exception]  Build details are at http://buildbot.instantbird.org/builders/win32-onCommit/builds/447  blamelist: Florian Qu?ze <florian@instantbird.org>
22:54:59 <flo-retina> that's the second Windows build that timeouts :(
22:55:20 <flo-retina> it timeouts while linking xul.dll
22:55:52 <flo-retina> Even suspects it's because the VMs are currently running on a single disk instead of a RAID array, so disk I/O are likely much slower.
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22:56:15 <flo-retina> I'm not convinced this makes enough of a difference for linking xul.dll to take more than one hour :-S.
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23:10:58 <clokep> Hello.
23:13:40 * florian is disappointed that bug 451 is r- :(
23:13:44 <instantbot> Bug https://bugzilla.instantbird.org/show_bug.cgi?id=451 nor, --, ---, aleth, NEW, Participants Need Context Menu
23:14:17 <clokep> Hopefully aleth will have time to look at it tomorrow? :)
23:14:19 <florian> I'm almost tempted to change myself the 3 lines that would need to be changed to address my review comments, and check it in :-S
23:14:27 <instantbot> qheaden@phaseshiftsoftware.com requested review from florian@instantbird .org for attachment 2793 on bug 2112.
23:14:28 <clokep> I don't think aleth will mind.
23:14:29 <instantbot> Bug https://bugzilla.instantbird.org/show_bug.cgi?id=2112 enh, --, ---, qheaden, ASSI, Abstract Buddy Request Code Into jsProtoHelper.js
23:14:33 <florian> (now that I've tried it, I want it! :-D)
23:14:50 <qheaden> Hi clokep
23:14:58 <clokep> Hello qheaden.
23:15:08 * clokep wants a new Windows nightly!
23:15:25 <florian> clokep: I would like that too!
23:15:37 * clokep whines!
23:15:38 <florian> regressing hunting will be a nightmare :(
23:16:00 * qheaden can't stop using Awesometab now.
23:16:32 <qheaden> clokep: BTW, I was reading the scrollback, and I noticed that you wanted to talk about soon turning JS Yahoo on by default.
23:17:05 <florian> qheaden: or at least have a clear list of what's left to do before we can do that
23:17:31 <qheaden> Okay.
23:17:43 * florian would like to do a UI review of the localizable strings and of the exposed UI.
23:18:02 <qheaden> From what I see at this point, I would say that the plug-in is feature complete.
23:18:51 <qheaden> Public chatrooms are gone, and aliases and extra user info is tough to access now without using Yahoo's contacts API.
23:19:36 <qheaden> I wouldn't rely on any extraction of data from some HTML page. Yahoo has been going through a lot of changes lately, and that includes the formatting of their pages.
23:20:59 <florian> what's wrong with using the contacts api?
23:23:32 <qheaden> It requires an API key, and it has limits on the number of queries per hour on that key.
23:24:07 <clokep> I think it can also only be used outside the US for some reason.
23:24:34 <qheaden> Hmm, strange.
23:31:52 <florian> can anybody on windows tell me how the pointer looks when hovering the "context-menu" line on https://developer.mozilla.org/en-US/docs/Web/CSS/cursor ?
23:32:08 <florian> is it the "text" or the "default" cursor that's shown?
23:32:54 <clokep> florian: It's the default cursor.
23:33:12 <florian> great, thanks! :)
23:33:17 <clokep> (At least on Win 8)
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23:41:19 <instantbot> florian@instantbird.org denied review for attachment 2738 on bug 451.
23:41:22 <instantbot> Bug https://bugzilla.instantbird.org/show_bug.cgi?id=451 nor, --, ---, aleth, NEW, Participants Need Context Menu
23:42:10 <flo-retina> alright, I'm pretty confident that the next iteration will be r+ :)
23:43:38 <clokep> :)
23:48:58 <flo-retina> clokep: do you want to review the jsProtoHelper parts of bug 2112?
23:49:02 <instantbot> Bug https://bugzilla.instantbird.org/show_bug.cgi?id=2112 enh, --, ---, qheaden, ASSI, Abstract Buddy Request Code Into jsProtoHelper.js
23:51:06 <flo-retina> (the only comment I have about it is almost ridiculous... moving a few lines and adding some empty lines to increase readability :-S)
23:54:35 <flo-retina> qheaden: I find jsProtoHelper more readable with this change: http://pastebin.instantbird.com/307811
23:57:58 <clokep> flo-retina: On the phone, I don't need to though.
23:58:38 <flo-retina> alright, unless qheaden shouts in the next 2 minutes or so, I guess I'll just check it in with the pastebined changes
23:59:06 <qheaden> flo-retina, clokep: Sorry, I was eating. :P
23:59:26 <qheaden> Those changes look good. Did you want me to make them, or did you want to make the changes yourself?
23:59:30 <qheaden> During checkin.
23:59:47 <flo-retina> i've obviously already made the changes myself to show you an interdiff ;)
23:59:54 <flo-retina> so I can just check it in