#instantbird log on 08 11 2013

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03:10:37 <instant-buildbot> build #937 of linux-nightly-default is complete: Success [build successful]  Build details are at http://buildbot.instantbird.org/builders/linux-nightly-default/builds/937
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06:14:51 <instant-buildbot> build #1033 of win32-nightly-default is complete: Success [build successful]  Build details are at http://buildbot.instantbird.org/builders/win32-nightly-default/builds/1033
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18:07:21 <clokep> Finally on an up to date nightly!
18:12:10 <instantbot> clokep@gmail.com set the Resolution field on bug 2096 to FIXED.
18:12:12 <instantbot> Bug https://bugzilla.instantbird.org/show_bug.cgi?id=2096 nor, --, 1.5, qheaden, RESO FIXED, Chat Message Handler Can Throw Error
18:12:30 <instantbot> clokep@gmail.com set the Resolution field on bug 2079 to FIXED.
18:12:33 <instantbot> Bug https://bugzilla.instantbird.org/show_bug.cgi?id=2079 nor, --, 1.5, qheaden, RESO FIXED, JS-Yahoo has no protocol icon
18:12:52 * clokep just read a weeks worth of logs. ;)
18:14:44 <instantbot> clokep@gmail.com granted review for attachment 2691 on bug 2090.
18:14:48 <instantbot> Bug https://bugzilla.instantbird.org/show_bug.cgi?id=2090 nor, --, ---, qheaden, ASSI, /invite command is broken in private conversations
18:15:24 <instantbot> New Core - IRC bug 2099 filed by clokep@gmail.com.
18:15:27 <instantbot> Bug https://bugzilla.instantbird.org/show_bug.cgi?id=2099 min, --, ---, nobody, NEW, Ensure that commands that only work in channels use CONTEXT_CHAT
18:20:20 <instantbot> clokep@gmail.com granted review for attachment 2692 on bug 2087.
18:20:22 <instantbot> Bug https://bugzilla.instantbird.org/show_bug.cgi?id=2087 nor, --, ---, qheaden, ASSI, Accepting an invitation to chat can end in a loop
18:25:00 * clokep wonders if qheaden_away is around at all today.
18:27:38 <instantbot> clokep@gmail.com denied feedback for attachment 2689 on bug 2070.
18:27:41 <instantbot> Bug https://bugzilla.instantbird.org/show_bug.cgi?id=2070 enh, --, ---, qheaden, ASSI, Add Support for Buddy Icons
18:40:33 <instantbot> clokep@gmail.com denied review for attachment 2688 on bug 2070.
18:40:40 <instantbot> Bug https://bugzilla.instantbird.org/show_bug.cgi?id=2070 enh, --, ---, qheaden, ASSI, Add Support for Buddy Icons
18:42:05 <instantbot> clokep@gmail.com denied review for attachment 2686 on bug 2088.
18:42:07 <instantbot> Bug https://bugzilla.instantbird.org/show_bug.cgi?id=2088 maj, --, ---, qheaden, ASSI, New contact does not get added to the correct tag
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18:51:22 <nakp> yo :)
18:51:37 <clokep> Hello nakp.
18:51:42 <nakp> hi clokep 
18:51:56 <clokep> Hello. :P
18:51:58 <clokep> What's up?
18:52:04 <nakp> great xD
18:52:10 <nakp> im here for only one reason :D
18:52:11 <nakp> hahaha
18:52:33 <nakp> im not a great dev, and it might be the first time i do this
18:52:42 <nakp> but i really want to integrate instantbird to gnome3
18:52:51 <clokep> You're not a great dev yet. ;)
18:52:54 <clokep> There's still time!
18:52:55 <nakp> and remove empathy ugly ui
18:53:13 <nakp> its just that web related languages are my stuff :P
18:53:47 <clokep> Luckily most of Instantbird is JavaScript.
18:54:10 <nakp> yeah xD and xul
18:54:29 <clokep> Yes
18:54:38 <clokep> So...what needs to be ingtregrated better?
18:54:40 <clokep> Are bugs filed?
18:54:40 <nakp> ive made an addon tho :P
18:54:50 <nakp> which replaces default sounds
18:55:10 <nakp> instantbird? well.. i use a gnome3 fork but its not shown in the indicators
18:55:12 <nakp> applet
18:55:14 <nakp> no "tray icon"
18:55:30 <clokep> OK, if these are things that Thunderbird supports you shuld easily be able to add them!
18:56:18 <nakp> hmmm dont really know if it does lol lemme try installing thunderbird first
18:56:37 <clokep> :)
18:56:56 <nakp> im using elementary btw :P
18:57:17 <clokep> Idk what that is, but OK.
18:57:25 <nakp> great os but too small crew :( so they have chosen ubuntu lts to make it u_u
18:58:58 <nakp> im not even sure if i need to make an addon for instantbird or gnome :/
19:00:07 <clokep> Instantbird, most likely.
19:00:27 <nakp> btw the new tab thing, rocks
19:02:13 * clokep wonders if anything in http://mikeconley.ca/blog/2011/01/11/starting-work-on-mozilla-thunderbird/ would be useful to nakp.
19:02:19 <clokep> He's usually in this room by the way, but it's a weekend so.
19:03:06 <nakp> lol
19:03:19 <nakp> it is
19:03:34 <nakp> i just found that theres something called "global menu integration"
19:03:57 <nakp> which adds mail, write new mail and contacts to the global menu
19:04:41 <clokep> :) That's what we want for Instantbird too!
19:06:14 <nakp> but
19:06:24 <nakp> im not using ubuntu xD
19:06:31 <nakp> is it the same for gnome3 and unity?
19:06:40 <nakp> looks like
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19:08:07 <clokep> I don't know. :-/
19:08:12 <Mic> HI
19:08:13 * clokep isn't Linux savy.
19:08:31 <nakp> mac one?
19:08:33 <Mic> You might want to have a look at these too: https://addons.instantbird.org/en-US/instantbird/search?q=Unity&cat=all
19:10:27 <nakp> hi Mic 
19:10:35 <nakp> hollyshit! D:
19:11:45 <nakp> hmmm
19:12:39 <clokep> nakp: Btw those might need to be updated. :)
19:12:41 <Mic> What if you use the best of all and make something awesome of it? :)
19:13:14 <nakp> first i need to understand it :P
19:13:15 <Mic> I need to go, have a nice evening!
19:13:20 <nakp> i really want to
19:13:24 <nakp> bb Mic 
19:13:35 <Mic> nakp: take your time and ask if you think that you need help.
19:13:51 <nakp> thanks
19:14:08 <Mic> Usually someone's here during the daytime hours of Europe and the US.
19:14:39 <Mic> I hope it's clear what I meant with "daytime hours" ;)
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19:23:44 <nakp> ok clokep i have a question, seems like firefox and thunderbird extensions were/are based on this
19:23:44 <nakp> https://launchpad.net/globalmenu-extension
19:23:55 <clokep> OK.
19:24:00 * clokep doesn't see a question. ;)
19:25:45 <nakp> lol
19:25:51 <nakp> is still based on that?
19:25:56 <nakp> argh
19:25:59 <nakp> you dont use linux
19:26:00 <nakp> nvm
19:26:36 <clokep> You'd need to ask one of the devs.
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19:28:53 <nhnt11_phone> Hi
19:29:01 <clokep> Hello nhnt11_phone.
19:29:41 <nhnt11_phone> Hi clokep. I hope you had a nice trip
19:29:49 <clokep> nhnt11_phone: It was fine.
19:32:01 <nhnt11_phone> nakp: Glad you like it. Please file bugs if you find any ;) (http://log.bezut.info/instantbird/130811/#m100)
19:32:23 <nakp> :P i will
19:33:18 <clokep> nhnt11_phone: I tried to keep up w/ this stuff, but please let me know if you're waiting for information from me
19:34:41 <nhnt11_phone> clokep: will do. Currently I've put a pause on the LIST stuff in favor of ranking (not on purpose) but I want to finish it in the coming days
19:35:08 <clokep> nhnt11_phone: That's more important. :)
19:36:24 <nhnt11_phone> It's coming along :)
19:37:17 <nhnt11_phone> I'm at a stage where i can start parsing logs for data so that i can tweak the rank calculation to satisfaction
19:37:28 <clokep> :)
19:39:56 <nhnt11_phone> I have to go now, it's been a long day. I'll be back as usual tomorrow.. Good night.
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20:03:13 <nakp> brb
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20:43:53 <clokep> chrisccoulson: nakp was asking about the status of https://launchpad.net/globalmenu-extension, would you know?
20:44:41 <chrisccoulson> clokep, yeah, it's unmaintained now
20:44:57 <nakp> is it possible to use it with instantbird?
20:45:06 <nakp> :(
20:45:15 <chrisccoulson> there is https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=619899 , but i no longer work on firefox either so i doubt i'll be progressing that much further
20:45:57 <nakp> hmmm
20:46:03 <nakp> anyone using gnome or unity?
20:46:25 <chrisccoulson> nakp, sorry it's not better news
20:46:36 <nakp> yeah :/
20:46:53 <nakp> but... using a "fast and messy" workaround atm
20:47:23 <nakp> at least for actions
20:51:38 <chrisccoulson> nakp, what's the "fast and messy" workaround?
20:51:51 <nakp> dock icon for unity/plank
20:51:55 <nakp> with actions
20:52:05 <nakp> at least for available/away/offline
20:52:23 <nakp> it already "blinks" when recieving a message :P
20:52:35 <nakp> i dont really know how to make it count the messages recieved.. yet
20:52:54 <nakp> and its not taking the freaking icon unless setting the full path
20:54:22 <nakp> theres no option to open accounts from cli?
20:54:37 <clokep> chrisccoulson: Are you a canonical employee?
20:55:37 <chrisccoulson> clokep, i am, and up until recently i was the maintainer of firefox. but i changed to a new role a while ago
20:55:46 <clokep> Cool. :)
20:55:49 <nakp> D:
20:55:55 <clokep> Is there no maintainer now? ;)
20:55:57 <clokep> Or is it someone else?
20:56:29 <nakp> clokep, is there any cli option to open accounts? :D if not, maybe for next release?
20:56:42 <clokep> nakp: There is not, IIRC.
20:56:45 <clokep> What's the use case?
20:58:01 <chrisccoulson> clokep, there isn't a dedicated maintainer anymore. technically, i'm still responsible for maintaining it because there isn't anyone else. but i literally only have enough time to just keep it up to date these days
20:58:17 <chrisccoulson> i'd love to be able to spend more time on it
20:58:27 <clokep> chrisccoulson: Thanks for the information. :)
20:58:42 <nakp> gimme a sec
21:02:18 <nakp> clokep, http://i.imgur.com/I3VrzGE.jpg
21:02:36 <clokep> nakp: That didn't actually answer my question at all.
21:03:03 <nakp> I want to add an action to open accounts but I need a cli option to do it
21:03:23 <clokep> Add a command line option? ;)
21:04:35 <nakp> do you want me to check your code? xD
21:04:49 <clokep> nakp: I don't understand what you're asking.
21:04:57 <clokep> And it odesn't seem like we have a handler for that no, http://lxr.instantbird.org/instantbird/source/instantbird/components/ibCommandLineHandler.js
21:04:57 <nakp> do you want me to add it?
21:05:13 <nakp> .-. thats what i thought
21:05:25 <clokep> I don't want it, but if YOU want it, then YOU can add it.
21:05:30 <clokep> That's how open source software works. :)
21:05:43 <clokep> (That sounds kind of grouchy, I don't mean it that way.)
21:06:00 <clokep> If you're asking about whether we would accept that feature...I don't see why we wouldn't, but Florian might have an opinion.
21:12:02 <nakp> clokep, its not an important question but... why hg over git?
21:12:40 <clokep> nakp: Mozilla uses Mercurial.
21:12:46 <clokep> You'd have to ask them why they used it.
21:12:56 <clokep> Most of us here greatly perfer Mercurial over git  anyway though.
21:20:16 <nakp> never used hg before :P
21:20:30 <nakp> didnt know they used numbers instead of hashes
21:21:46 <flo-retina> err, what?
21:22:21 <nakp> ?
21:22:29 <flo-retina> "numbers instead of hashes"
21:22:42 <nakp> mercurial uses numbers for versions
21:22:51 <nakp> instead of hashes as git
21:23:10 <nakp> isnt it?
21:24:00 <flo-retina> no
21:24:24 <nakp> #:hash?
21:24:38 <flo-retina> the numbers exist only locally and are just a shortcut to avoid typing a hash if you want to update to a revision you found in the log
21:24:41 <clokep> nakp: The # is only a local revision.
21:25:14 <nakp> ok :)
21:30:17 <nakp> ok it might take a while to build...
21:41:37 <clokep> Takes some time, depending on how good your CPU is. :)
21:42:14 <nakp> its still checking out mozillas repo
21:42:26 <nakp> and this cpu is crap
21:42:39 <nakp> i have a better one without psu :P
21:44:00 <clokep> I usually download the bundles, I find it faster
21:45:32 <nakp> i wanted to export the patch if florian finds it usefull and wants to add it
21:46:03 <clokep> OK. You should do it on Bugzilla
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22:16:04 <nakp> clokep, does hg autotrack changed files? just like svn?
22:16:24 <clokep> nakp: Yes.
22:16:31 <clokep> It'd be a pretty crummy version control system if it didn't do that.
22:16:45 <nakp> like git?
22:16:47 <nakp> lol
22:17:17 <nakp> well it does but doesnt auto add every changed file to your commits
22:17:22 <clokep> Oh.
22:17:29 <clokep> Yes, well that's because git is awful.
22:18:05 <nakp> i wonder if you would think the same if mozilla used git instead of hg :P
22:18:23 <nakp> and.. github is the paradise hahaha
22:19:47 <clokep> I use git more than Mercurial.
22:19:52 <clokep> And github is awful.
22:20:00 <clokep> It totally breaks the concept of forking.
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22:21:16 <nakp> how is that?
22:22:23 <nakp> in svn forking was branching
22:22:28 <nakp> is
22:23:17 <clokep> No, forking means taking a project and creating a totally different project out of it.
22:23:25 <clokep> Branch is a separate set of revisions wihtin a single project.
22:23:47 <clokep> See http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fork_%28software%29 "a project fork happens when developers take a copy of source code from one software package and start independent development on it, creating a distinct piece of software"
22:25:06 <nakp> hmm
22:25:10 <nakp> youre right
22:25:34 <nakp> how would you call it instead?
22:25:40 <nakp> cloning?
22:26:07 <clokep> Idk, I wouldn't call it anything. :P I dislike trying to wrap my mind around the way trhey have the site set up.
22:28:23 <nakp> what about bitbucket?
22:29:18 <nakp> imho projects using git get a lot more atention
22:30:34 <clokep> I use BitBucket, yes.
22:30:39 <clokep> That's silly.
22:31:13 <nakp> why?
22:32:05 <clokep> It doesn't make sense to care what a project uses for version control, bug tracking, etc. if it's a good project you want to contribute to
22:32:15 <clokep> I have like 8 version control systems installed.
22:32:18 <nakp> I mean, git is way more popular and that's why most projects keep chosing git over hg
22:32:36 <nakp> lol really?
22:33:10 <nakp> I only have svn, git and hg
22:33:28 <clokep> Is it the reason people keep choosing it? Do you have anything that backs up that claim?
22:33:52 <clokep> I think I have cvs, svn, git, hg, bzr and mtn on my Linux machine.
22:34:16 <nakp> im a web dev do you remember? at least most ruby, node, php software uses git
22:34:42 <clokep> OK.
22:34:44 <nakp> composer is becoming really popular for php, and has chosen git over hg
22:34:53 <clokep> I don't know what "composer" is.
22:35:00 <clokep> Nor why it matters if it uses git for your own project. ;)
22:35:01 <nakp> dependency manager
22:36:14 <clokep> I really don't care what people use, as long as whatever they use increases their efficiency.
22:36:36 <nakp> im not trying to make you change x_x
22:36:39 <nakp> chill dude
22:36:57 <clokep> I'm quite chill. :) I don't think I've said anything to the contrary.
22:37:04 <clokep> And I know you're not trying to make us change.
22:38:10 <clokep> Just explaining what I think the only important aspect of a version control system is. ;)
22:38:37 <clokep> But honestly, as long as it's distributed IDC much.
22:38:57 * clokep cringes when people send him links to CVS and SVN repositories.
22:39:05 <nakp> lol
22:39:38 <clokep> Or RCS! :P
22:39:56 <clokep> (Or sends me a zipfile. :()
22:40:59 <nakp> as long as it has a diff patch :P 
22:45:07 <nakp> brb
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22:49:53 <nakp> its still building .-.
22:57:28 <clokep> What OS are you on?
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23:06:54 <nakp> sorry clokep, elementary os
23:07:00 <nakp> its ubuntu based
23:07:11 <nakp> on^
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